As a properly enlightened progressive who operates strictly on logic rather than messy emotions, I’m assured that things like Iran’s leaders tossing gays off rooftops, oppressing women, and shooting protesters are minor details. Those are mere footnotes. The real moral imperative, obviously, is making sure Iran succeeds in embarrassing Trump and Israel. Everything else can wait.

We are Iran.

6 minutes ago, nick supreme said:

As a properly enlightened progressive who operates strictly on logic rather than messy emotions, I’m assured that things like Iran’s leaders tossing gays off rooftops, oppressing women, and shooting protesters are minor details. Those are mere footnotes. The real moral imperative, obviously, is making sure Iran succeeds in embarrassing Trump and Israel. Everything else can wait.

We are Iran.

As a staunch supporter of MAGA, I'm having a bit of trouble typing this reply. You see, I'm wearing a cervical collar because I'm suffering with a bad case of highly principled whiplash from all the times I've had to pull 180's due to course corrections from the Dear Leader. But I'm glad to note that, to borrow a phrase from Mr. Putin, this Special Military Operation which in no way resembles a war , is being directed against the only country guilty of massive human rights abuses and that America's allies, (like Venezuela, which ages and ages and months ago was a narcoterrorist state responsible for the poisoning deaths of 10's of thousand of Americans), are basically great respecters of democracy and personal freedom. And I'm sure, that just as in the case of Venezuela, it was human rights concerns behind this "excursion" and the current Administration won't settle for anything less than a full restoration of said rights to the Iranian people. It's also wonderful to see Russia strengthened in its fight against the Nazi threat in Ukraine and the Chinese government cheerfully wishing Bon Voyage in Mandarin to the American fleet in the Far East. And I'm sure that the American people feel in in way lied to and are delighted that "We make a lot of money" due to this exciting Middle East adventure.

On 3/12/2026 at 12:02 AM, mania said:

I try not to look at politics as it is like watching sausage being made but...... I would say Netanyahu & Trump is a match made in heaven. Netanyahu realizes his time is ending & the US is not going to keep Israel as a welfare recipient much longer. Bibi See's in Trump his last chance at achieving his goals because Trump is that stupid.

Sadly the world now see's more clearly just what Israel & Trump are & they are distancing themselves appropriately from these war mongers.

Ask yourself if a country came to yours & killed your leader then also as a side bar killed 150+ school kids what would you be willing to do?

The story that has raged for 20+ years that Iran is close to having a nuke is old & tired. Unlike Israel & the US they never believed in having one as it was against their belief to wipe out mankind...but lets face it they would have been better off with one like N Korea & others it is a talking stick of sorts protecting them from this kind of unprovoked attacks.

I hope one day Netanyahu & Trump stand trial for the war crimes they have commited.

But what I hate most is how embarrassed I am to me a American these days. I hate rooting for the so called enemy against my own country. But I do

150 schools kids, yes that is very very sad, but it was not like it was intentional like Iran does to its own people.

This is a war and unfortunately innocent people die.

allot of Iranian's were wanting the US to do this and save them from their leader. Do you know anyone from Iran. My Neighbor in the USA moved to the USA 30 years ago to escape the

place. He's hoping he can return to Iran and see relatives sometime next year.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f7Yxulw8BTo

21 minutes ago, ericthai said:

150 schools kids, yes that is very very sad, but it was not like it was intentional like Iran does to its own people.

This is a war and unfortunately innocent people die.

allot of Iranian's were wanting the US to do this and save them from their leader. Do you know anyone from Iran. My Neighbor in the USA moved to the USA 30 years ago to escape the

place. He's hoping he can return to Iran and see relatives sometime next year.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f7Yxulw8BTo

Because Trump won't stop until the people of Iran are liberated? Just like he liberated the Venezuelan people from the grip of the narcoterrorist regime in Venezuela?

Zakaria gets it.

Imperial suicide.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2026/03/13/britain-empire-trump-iran-decline/

www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2026/03/13/britain-empire-trump-iran-decline/

Iran is an imperial trap. America walked right in.

Trump’s decision to return to the Middle East echoes the strategic folly that undid Britain.

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Zakaria gets it.

Imperial suicide.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2026/03/13/britain-empire-trump-iran-decline/

www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2026/03/13/britain-empire-trump-iran-decline/

Iran is an imperial trap. America walked right in.

Trump’s decision to return to the Middle East echoes the strategic folly that undid Britain.

Here's a link to the article that isn't behind a paywall

https://archive.ph/V0gU2

Feel free to insert it in your post

3 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Because Trump won't stop until the people of Iran are liberated? Just like he liberated the Venezuelan people from the grip of the narcoterrorist regime in Venezuela?

What a load of crap. Venezuela had no aircraft no Army to go against the Yank military. It was easy to send a chopper in and lift Venezuelas president. Tell us how Trump is going to liberate Iran ?

At least we have not cow towed to the Yanks this time and decided to leave well alone. Lerts see how the yanks do on there own without a Coalition. There certainly not going to Bomb them into surrendering. Its there war lets see how they handle it with Trump manning the Bridge.

9 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Does it make sense Netanyahu would be able blackmail Trump into supporting Israel's attacks on Gaza and Iran? Absolutely.

Yeah, could be I guess.

6 hours ago, nick supreme said:

As a properly enlightened progressive who operates strictly on logic rather than messy emotions, I’m assured that things like Iran’s leaders tossing gays off rooftops, oppressing women, and shooting protesters are minor details. Those are mere footnotes. The real moral imperative, obviously, is making sure Iran succeeds in embarrassing Trump and Israel. Everything else can wait.

We are Iran.

Only total morons think the evil of the Iranian regime towards their own people is the reason Trump went for this.

11 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Tell us more about mine clearing.

Find the mines first is a good starting point but better still is to not do anything that makes people lay mines in the first place!

11 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Because Trump won't stop until the people of Iran are liberated?

Maybe Trump won't stop until the people of Iran are OBLITerated?

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Only total morons think the evil of the Iranian regime towards their own people is the reason Trump went for this.

The same people who believed that about Venezuela.

I wonder if nuking Iran will mean the oil field will be irradiated and remains dangerous for at least a few days to weeks, with high-intensity radiation decaying significantly within the first 24–48 hours. However, long-term contamination from long-lived radionuclides (like cesium-137) can make areas uninhabitable or hazardous for years, with significant residual radiation lasting over a decade.

Ergo, forget stealing, ahem, I mean liberating Iran's oil.

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

13 hours ago, nick supreme said:

As a properly enlightened progressive who operates strictly on logic rather than messy emotions, I’m assured that things like Iran’s leaders tossing gays off rooftops, oppressing women, and shooting protesters are minor details. Those are mere footnotes. The real moral imperative, obviously, is making sure Iran succeeds in embarrassing Trump and Israel. Everything else can wait.

We are Iran.

Only total morons think the evil of the Iranian regime towards their own people is the reason Trump went for this.

That’s a very binary way of looking at a far more complicated problem - reducing it to good versus bad misses most of the reality.

The issue is layered. It involves regional stability, the risk of nuclear proliferation, Iran’s long-standing support for proxy groups across the Middle East, the nature of the regime itself, and the security concerns of Israel and several neighbouring states who see those factors as an existential threat. Each of those elements feeds into the others.

There isn’t a single, neat explanation for why tensions exist. It’s the accumulation of these factors over decades that has created the situation we’re looking at now. Taken together, they form part of a much broader picture of why this regime is widely viewed as a continuing source of instability in the Middle East.

NB I don't know any Iranians or have talked to anyone on the scene so my shocking-new-thing-called-research has to come from somewhere else.

'What if we're left with ruins?': Doubts creep in for Iranians who supported war

2 days ago

"We thought they'd kill all the senior figures and the regime would collapse in days, but we are in the second week now and every night I wake to explosions," a Tehran resident told the BBC.

But two weeks into the conflict, she says the mood around her and many others has changed.

"Now I see some are terrified and people I know are wondering if their neighbourhood will be targeted next," she said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3094g50rnvo

49 minutes ago, JerryM said:

NB I don't know any Iranians or have talked to anyone on the scene so my shocking-new-thing-called-research has to come from somewhere else.

'What if we're left with ruins?': Doubts creep in for Iranians who supported war

2 days ago

"We thought they'd kill all the senior figures and the regime would collapse in days, but we are in the second week now and every night I wake to explosions," a Tehran resident told the BBC.

But two weeks into the conflict, she says the mood around her and many others has changed.

"Now I see some are terrified and people I know are wondering if their neighbourhood will be targeted next," she said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3094g50rnvo

I've watched Iranian exiled opponents talking on TV. They seem to become aware that the US will likely not change the current regime, and that the cure may even be worse than the disease.

Pete Hegseth BIZARRE Strait of Hormuz quote SPARKS OUTRAGE.

U.S. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth made a statement in a recent press briefing claiming that the Strait of Hormuz is “open for transit”, and that the only thing preventing free passage is ongoing drone and missile attacks by Iran.

Was this really a mistake, or is it just one of those things that only the enlightened few can grasp while the rest of us ordinary laymen struggle to keep up? 😏

10 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

Find the mines first is a good starting point but better still is to not do anything that makes people lay mines in the first place!

Got it. Bend over for terrorists is your strategy LOL.

And you know nothing about mine clearing do you?

8 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

And you know nothing about mine clearing do you?

A hell of a lot more than you and in real life situations during my naval career!

PS; Do not do your usual cr@p of asking for proof on a public forum as nobody in their right mind will do so!

I suggest that my expertise and knowledge of the MCMVs and mine warfare etc is shown in my posts on this subject!

2 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

A hell of a lot more than you and in real life situations during my naval career!

Well its different that the 1960s. Tell us what mine clearing equipment the USA uses these days.

3 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

I suggest that my expertise and knowledge is shown in my posts on this subject!

You have shown you know nothing.

3 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Well its different that the 1960s. Tell us what mine clearing equipment the USA uses these days.

Look up WikI

You are just a keyboard warrior with no knowledge of the MCM world!

Please post details of your (lack of) experience!

PS; I suggest that you do not make guesses wrt the timeline of a posters' experiences on ANY subject unless you, God forbid, actually have any real knowledge of that subject!

1 minute ago, scottiejohn said:

Look up WikI

Why, we have you, the expert.

1 minute ago, scottiejohn said:

You are just a keyboard warrior with no knowledge of the MCM world!

How do you know? You havent shown you know much about anyhting

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Lots of respect to Mr Jing for this topic and realising who is behind this terrible mistake of attacking Iran.

He was very outspoken about anyone criticizing Israel were antisemitic and now backtracked and has the guts to admit it.

It's ALL about lobby money.

It's a shame so many have been called anti-Semites and even banned for previously criticising Netanyahu and his nutcase government.

20 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

At least we have not cow towed to the Yanks this time and decided to leave well alone. Lerts see how the yanks do on there own without a Coalition. There certainly not going to Bomb them into surrendering. Its there war lets see how they handle it with Trump manning the Bridge.

We will be ordered by Trump to send battleship to protect the oil tankers, mark my words.

5 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Got it. Bend over for terrorists is your strategy LOL.

And you know nothing about mine clearing do you?

You haven't a clue. How ignorant v as long Iran terrorists when it's now bleeding obvious who the real terrorist are.

Yes JIM in one. Trump turned his nose up when he told us we Dont need your ships. Wait till he needs mine clearence vessels we will turn up our noses its his war he can sort it.

2 hours ago, JimCM said:

You haven't a clue. How ignorant v as long Iran terrorists when it's now bleeding obvious who the real terrorist are.

Your English is fracturing. Are your greatest fears being realized?

The "real terrorists" are winning, so it sucks to be on your side