Difficult to say, but there is only one person to ask

Just now, Dcheech said:

Difficult to say, but there is only one person to ask

He's playing Trump like a fiddle. The world's eyes are on Iran, as he's annexing Lebanon, West Bank and basically killing off Arabs everywhere.

To @Alan Zweibel , this has nothing to do with a change of regime in Iran.

When the Iran War Ends What Would Constitute Victory for the US?

Just cook up some imaginary story and celebrate.

I'm getting tired of hearing the "We Must Not Allow Iran To Build A Nuke" which is pure, grade-A propaganda which seeks a casus belli to attack Iran. The US and Israel have been pimping that Iran is working on nukes for decades while the US intelligence community keeps telling the politicians who use the Iran "nuke" trope as an excuse to "Bomb Bomb Iran" to quote the late John McCain. Ok, now you've bombed Iran and even ex-CIA director Brennan is stating that Iran was not an immanent threat.

Ex-CIA chief John Brennan: No intelligence indicated an imminent Iranian threat.

However Trumps stupidity has probably given Iran the reason needed to dismiss the fatwa against nukes and to begin building them as self-defense against nuclear Israel and the United States. And I can't blame them if they do. Does the US mess with North Korea? Of course not. It has nukes and ICBMs to deliver them.

The only successful outcome that realistically can happen (forget regime change for now, Trump saw to that) is that Trump drops dead or is 25'd.

Listen to this. If you can without gagging you're in a cult. It's worse than North Korea, for frack's sake.

Victory would be to stop the oil sanctions against the cheap russian energy as to restart the global economy. But try explaining this and to convince the foolish European Union parliament on the basics.

1 hour ago, SingAPorn said:

Victory would be to stop the oil sanctions against the cheap russian energy as to restart the global economy. But try explaining this and to convince the foolish European Union parliament on the basics.

The sanctions on Russian oil did little to nothing to the world economy, but it did a whole lot to Russia's ability to continue murdering Ukrainian children, women and men.

But in the end, it was Donald that started the war, and he did it to divert attention from the Epstein files that show he's a pedophile rapist.

And that means he deserves what all pedo rapists deserve.

General Mattis, one of the few grown-ups of the Trump 1.0 administration, doesn't see many options for a positive outcome of this cluster<deleted> of a war.

'Ending Iran war now would cede Hormuz to the enemy, Trump’s former Defense secretary says'

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/03/23/mattis-ending-iran-war-now-cede-hormuz-00841109

11 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Got it. A nuclear weapon in the hands of Iran is OK, Trump is the problem

Bang on an Iranian nuke will bring a sense of discipline to the region rather than enecourage a dissolute, agressive Isareli / US hegemony. Iran has the right to self defence against illegal agression and Amercia wake up Isarel is dragging you into their own paranoid quagmires that do zilch to enrich you on the homefront.

When the Iran War Ends What Would Constitute Victory for the US?

If the US stops this madness right now, a "victory" for the US Republicans would be to not lose the House and Senate at the mid-terms and then watch the Democrats impeach him and his cabinet six ways from Sunday.

A victory will be to not have the US economy collapse before the mid-terms.

2 hours ago, BLMFem said:

Listen to this. If you can without gagging you're in a cult. It's worse than North Korea, for frack's sake.

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13 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Hopefully victory will be enough to clear out the Iranian sock puppets on the net. When they shut up its over

"Iranian" or "White House"?

49 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Trump doesn't know what the frack is going on in the world and he has the codes.

Is there any chance that there is a real patriot in the White House/Pentagon with an ounce of sense that has given him a fake code/altered the real one?

13 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Got it. A nuclear weapon in the hands of Iran is OK, Trump is the problem

Far worse is that some delusional guy in the White House has access to nuclear weapons

12 hours ago, gargamon said:

Europe will do the smart thing. Escalate the transition to solar and wind.

Yeah that will be great for their economy when they get it up and running in 25 years hahahahahaha

The best thing about the New Trump order is how far down the scale of importance arrogant know it all supercilious cowardly Europe has fallen.

Once they achieve similar results to their outstanding success in Afghanistan, then, and only then, will they shout "victory".

11 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well it was Trump who trashed the nuclear weapons treaty Iran was complying with.

Well I guesss if you beleive the Iranians are telling the truth LOL.

And so what. Payback it a biatch. I personally could care less if they were "complying", only a blind Tehran propagandist would not see what they were doing. They earned this beating and it isnt gonna stop. We should give them a day of carpet bombing for each dead American.

Y'all cowardly Euros should say thank you for our air defenses and double thank you for taking out their ballistic missile capability which ya claim they didnt have

11 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So yea, if Iran ever does get a nuclear weapons treaty, Trunpnis in no small part to blame.

Good, blame him. Least he isnt a coward

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5 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

12 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So yea, if Iran ever does get a nuclear weapons treaty, Trunpnis in no small part to blame.

Good, blame him. Least he isnt a coward

What has he done to prove he's not a coward? He was a coward when for getting 5 deferments for the draft when the Vietnam War was going on. Isn't that sign of a coward?

19 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

Far worse is that some delusional guy in the White House has access to nuclear weapons

Makes you nervous does it?

19 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Would only the unconditional surrender of the Iranian government qualify?

Would survival of the government but surrender of their nuclear stockpile qualify?

Would guarantees of freedom for the Iranian people along with the survival of the government qualify?

Would freedom for the iranian people and surrender of the nuclear stockpile qualify?

Would surivival of the government, no nuclear stockpile and cessation of support for allies outside the country qualify?

Obviously, there are other possible combinations

I'm asking because I can recall the extravagant claims made by Trump supporters for the campaign against Venezuela: surrender or overthrow of the government, democracy for its people, elimination of the government sponsored drug cartel, and, of course US access to oil. The last item is the only thing that the US secured but supporters celebrated that as a victory. So would a similarly limited concession from the Iranians also qualify as a victory.

I suspect that supporters of the Iranian "excursion" won't want to commit themselves out of fear of having their understanding of what constitutes victory undermined by Trump once again. And once again having to pivot in support.

No victory for US until Iran stops flying the flag of the Islamic Republic, it submits to US hegenomy, and there are no longer any Iranians fighting against those conditions left on Iranian soil.

Pretty much like Aghanistan was supposed to turn out.

Afghan flag on 11th September 2001:

Afghan flag today:

30 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Makes you nervous does it?

Who wouldn't get nervous when an emotional challenged delusional madman can start a nuclear world war with the press of a button.

You still think you will be spared because you are the MAGA elite?

There is no possibility of victory now, and there never was any possibility of victory from the beginning. This war was poorly planned, and the use of a SEC DEF who wouldn't qualify to lead a Cub Scout chapter, or manage a Kmart, in and of itself is a historic tragedy.

This war was just a huge omelette on the face of Don, and on the face of America and when Trump withdraws with his tail between his legs the entire world will look on an exasperation, and wonder what on earth Trump was thinking and why he is such a spectacular moron and failure.

However, no matter how you look at it a US withdraw from Iran is a good thing for the world.

Trump's goals were never going to be achieved, and as usual the US Military and Trump did a terrible job of planning, and the public uprising never happened, the Republican guards were never taken out, the nuclear materials were never found, and Trump's war with Iran was a total and complete failure, of massive, epic and historic proportions.

Disaster Don once again has caused huge amount of worldwide chaos unnecessary inflation tremendous fear and panic for absolutely nothing in return. I know it's difficult for a lot of his followers to admit that the man is a failure, but I think it's time to man up and come clean, and make a statement that this street garbage is nothing but malignant tumor on the face of America.

If Trump had any dignity at all he would resign in disgrace.

1 hour ago, Enoon said:

No victory for US until Iran stops flying the flag of the Islamic Republic, it submits to US hegenomy, and there are no longer any Iranians fighting against those conditions left on Iranian soil.

Pretty much like Aghanistan was supposed to turn out.

Afghan flag on 11th September 2001:

Afghan flag today:

AMERICA WON!!! 🙄 America has an odd way of winning. Trump even odder.

34 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

If Trump had any dignity at all he would resign in disgrace.

We are in 100% agreement. Unfortunately he has no dignity, so we'll need to wait until the Democrats take the House and Senate after the midterms and then begin the process to throw his entire administration out of office in a "legal" regime change. Then good riddance. Then I guess the Democrats will have two years to show if they are any better or just as bad. I'm not optimistic.

1 hour ago, CallumWK said:

Far worse is that some delusional guy in the White House has access to nuclear weapons

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Makes you nervous does it?

Which is exactly why Iran and any sane developed country need nukes - the only thing the US understand are stand-off nuclear weapons and the ICBMs to deliver them. Sad as that may be, but it is the new global reality. Two states with nuke (Israel and US) ganging up on a country that up to this point has no nukes? Time to get nukes. I wouldn't doubt that the actions of Trump and Netanyahu are exactly the catalyst for Iran finally finish making fissile Uranium and creating a bomb. According to MIT Prof. Ted Postol, that will take about two week. Otherwise I'm sure Iran will be nuked if it doesn't have the power to push back. I'm not advocating this, but this unfortunately is the reality of global nuclear bullies. Sadly.

14 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You are clearly laboring under the mistaken belief about who has whom.

OK Israel has us, does that satisfy your inner Shicklgruber?

50 minutes ago, connda said:

Which is exactly why Iran and any sane developed country need nukes - the only thing the US understand are stand-off nuclear weapons and the ICBMs to deliver them. Sad as that may be, but it is the new global reality. Two states with nuke (Israel and US) ganging up on a country that up to this point has no nukes? Time to get nukes. I wouldn't doubt that the actions of Trump and Netanyahu are exactly the catalyst for Iran finally finish making fissile Uranium and creating a bomb. According to MIT Prof. Ted Postol, that will take about two week. Otherwise I'm sure Iran will be nuked if it doesn't have the power to push back. I'm not advocating this, but this unfortunately is the reality of global nuclear bullies. Sadly.

Well cool, then you support the increased chance of nuclear war. BTW, crazy Trump didnt launch in his first term? Can you tell me how many times he has threatened the use of nukes compared to Iran or NK or Russia.

BTW, can you tell us whether Iran lied about their MRBM capacity. You do not consider Iran a threat to the world I assume?