34 minutes ago, chickenslegs said:

On the sixth day God created that single-celled organism. Then She said "Go, be fruitful and multiply".

Who was she talking to?

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

Do you think replacing meat with vegetable will protect wildlife ? Guess again 🤓

No, I totally enjoy eating meat, from animals killed by humans. Did God create Macky Ds?

This 'discussion' between me Wiggy, and you is getting absolutely out of hand. But as long as Wigs comes up with a silly answer,

I will contraadict it with the truth, not stuff written by Hebrews and self- called Christians years after the event.

4 minutes ago, wil iam not said:

No, I totally enjoy eating meat, from animals killed by humans. Did God create Macky Ds?

This 'discussion' between me Wiggy, and you is getting absolutely out of hand. But as long as Wigs comes up with a silly answer,

I will contraadict it with the truth, not stuff written by Hebrews and self- called Christians years after the event.

Gotcha, Im out

9 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Who was she talking to?

God communicates directly to the brain, not through speech. That's why the amoeba could understand him, and Wiggy also. 555

1 minute ago, wil iam not said:

God communicates directly to the brain, not through speech. That's why the amoeba could understand him, and Wiggy also. 555

I’m struggling to understand the greater intelligence, help me here, is it Wiggy? Or the Amoeba ?

Edited June 17Jun 17 by JBChiangRai
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55 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Think about that. What would that make god? Capricious? Vain? god wouldn’t care about that at all.

The church would, that would mean they lost control.

Deer evolved from slime, we all did. DNA of Deer and Humans can be traced back to a common ancestor.

All cellular life on Earth (bacteria, archaea, and eukaryotes—including humans and deer) traces back to a single-celled organism that lived roughly 3.5–4 billion years ago. This is the deepest common ancestor.

He created us, he can make the rules. That last part is a theory, which is wrong.

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

He created us, he can make the rules. That last part is a theory, which is wrong.

Do you not consider that your belief could be merely a theory invented by the so called Disciples?

But as we have both said, everyone to their own beliefs, just don't try to force it onto others, like the Crusaders and Missionaries did.

1 minute ago, wil iam not said:

Do you not consider that your belief could be merely a theory invented by the so called Disciples?

But as we have both said, everyone to their own beliefs, just don't try to force it onto others, like the Crusaders and Missionaries did.

I've never tried to force anything on anyone. It's God's to judge.

11 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

He created us, he can make the rules. That last part is a theory, which is wrong.

You’re not using your brain.

To use your argument, god gave you a brain and intelligence.

So analyse it. You would agree not everything in the bible is true, so think this through, would God care whether or not you believed in him?

All the evidence for Christianity came from Saul of Tarsus (Paul) who wrote 13 or 14 of the 27 books in the New Testament. IMHO he invented “stuff”.

Christianity follow what Paul thought, not JC.

JC believed in Judaism.

11 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

You’re not using your brain.

To use your argument, god gave you a brain and intelligence.

So analyse it. You would agree not everything in the bible is true, so think this through, would God care whether or not you believed in him?

You're not using yours, as you think you're automatically right being an atheist. Drop it, as it isn't worth arguing religion here. To each their own. The Bible was written by people, interpreted and actual conversations, so there is a margin for error. Some things are hard to believe and seeing God made the universe from his mind, anything is possible, although some think otherwise. Again, to each their own.

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You're not using yours, as you think you're automatically right being an atheist. Drop it, as it isn't worth arguing religion here. To each their own. The Bible was written by people, interpreted and actual conversations, so there is a margin for error. Some things are hard to believe and seeing God made the universe from his mind, anything is possible, although some think otherwise. Again, to each their own.

I used to be a Christian.

I’m now an atheist precisely because I did use my brain.

I started from the precept everything I had been taught was correct and then I researched with an open mind. 30 years ago, this kind of research would be nigh on impossible. Today with the internet, it’s easy.

The clincher for me is philosophy.

From the premise that god is all goodness, what would god want from us if he existed? How would he view us? If he were to judge us, what would his criteria be?

I call this the test of goodness and it is with this that I judge all religions and find them all lacking.

I get that you’re not willing to do this and your blind faith is what you believe in. It’s not without reason it’s called “The Prison of Belief”.

If you’re right and I’m wrong. I’m 100% confident when I finally meet your god, he will not find my time on this earth lacking in everything he values and his heaven will be open to me. How many Christians can say that?

38 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I've never tried to force anything on anyone. It's God's to judge.

Typical answer from you Fred. So your God can force people to believe in him, yes?

3 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I used to be a Christian.

I’m now an atheist precisely because I did use my brain.

I started from the precept everything I had been taught was correct and then I researched with an open mind. 30 years ago, this kind of research would be nigh on impossible. Today with the internet, it’s easy.

The clincher for me is philosophy.

From the premise that god is all goodness, what would god want from us if he existed? How would he view us? If he were to judge us, what would his criteria be?

I call this the test of goodness and it is with this that I judge all religions and find them all lacking.

I get that you’re not willing to do this and your blind faith is what you believe in. It’s not without reason it’s called “The Prison of Belief”.

If you’re right and I’m wrong. I’m 100% confident when I finally meet your god, he will not find my time on this earth lacking in everything he values and his heaven will be open to me. How many Christians can say that?

Best retaliation yet, thank you, well said. I also thought about things when I was 15 years old and decided my own path in life, which has been quite successful without the need to believe in any God...........................well maybe the guy who turns 84 tomorrow!

3 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I used to be a Christian.

I’m now an atheist precisely because I did use my brain.

I started from the precept everything I had been taught was correct and then I researched with an open mind. 30 years ago, this kind of research would be nigh on impossible. Today with the internet, it’s easy.

The clincher for me is philosophy.

From the premise that god is all goodness, what would god want from us if he existed? How would he view us? If he were to judge us, what would his criteria be?

I call this the test of goodness and it is with this that I judge all religions and find them all lacking.

I get that you’re not willing to do this and your blind faith is what you believe in. It’s not without reason it’s called “The Prison of Belief”.

If you’re right and I’m wrong. I’m 100% confident when I finally meet your god, he will not find my time on this earth lacking in everything he values and his heaven will be open to me. How many Christians can say that?

I had an open mind while i was in Catholic school the first 8 years. It made sense then and still does now, although some Catholic practices are unnecessary. I don't have blind faith. I have a sensible faith, because there is no other explanation that makes sense besides a creator. AI explains it here..............

Believing in God does not necessarily require blind faith. Many theologians, philosophers, and believers argue that faith is a reasoned trust based on evidence—such as philosophical arguments for the universe's design, historical records, or personal and spiritual experiences. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]

Perspectives on the relationship between belief and faith vary:

• Informed Faith: Many traditions, like Christianity and Islam, assert that belief is a response to evidence. This view posits that creation, scripture, and answered prayers provide reasonable grounds for trust. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

• Philosophical Arguments: Thinkers often point to logic to justify belief. The teleological argument suggests the universe's complexity and order imply a conscious creator. [1, 2, 3]

• Subjective Experience: For many, faith is built on internal or experiential evidence. This might include a sense of purpose, answered prayers, or personal encounters with the divine. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

• The Element of Trust: Even with supporting evidence, belief in God requires a step of trust. This means accepting realities that cannot be scientifically proven or observed firsthand. [1, 2].

6 minutes ago, wil iam not said:

Typical answer from you Fred. So your God can force people to believe in him, yes?

He doesn't force anything, which is the free will he gave us. That makes us non robots following commands. His commandments make sense don't they? 4 are for him, the rest towards other humans.

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I had an open mind while i was in Catholic school the first 8 years. It made sense then and still does now, although some Catholic practices are unnecessary. I don't have blind faith. I have a sensible faith, because there is no other explanation that makes sense besides a creator. AI explains it here..............

Believing in God does not necessarily require blind faith. Many theologians, philosophers, and believers argue that faith is a reasoned trust based on evidence—such as philosophical arguments for the universe's design, historical records, or personal and spiritual experiences. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]

Perspectives on the relationship between belief and faith vary:

• Informed Faith: Many traditions, like Christianity and Islam, assert that belief is a response to evidence. This view posits that creation, scripture, and answered prayers provide reasonable grounds for trust. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

• Philosophical Arguments: Thinkers often point to logic to justify belief. The teleological argument suggests the universe's complexity and order imply a conscious creator. [1, 2, 3]

• Subjective Experience: For many, faith is built on internal or experiential evidence. This might include a sense of purpose, answered prayers, or personal encounters with the divine. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

• The Element of Trust: Even with supporting evidence, belief in God requires a step of trust. This means accepting realities that cannot be scientifically proven or observed firsthand. [1, 2].

I had a dream once.

god spoke with me. I asked him why his religions were cruel, why he wanted us to praise him.

god told me none of our religions were accurate. They were all invented by men for their own selfish reasons.

He told me he had 3 things to tell me.

First, we are all equal, no exceptions. I said murders? He repeated no exceptions.

Second, ALL he wants from us is to live good lives, help each other, be kind to each other. I asked him what about preying to him? Praising him? He told me he had already answered the question.

Thirdly, there is an afterlife, we will all go there, but we will all be judged. Not just by him but every soul we have ever interacted with. They must all forgive us. We will spend time in a kind of purgatory until every soul has forgiven us. I said Hitler must take a while then and he said Yes.

If I’d had this dream 2,000 years ago, I could have preached it and created a religion. I would have been called a prophet.

It was this dream that caused me to research Christianity and question my beliefs.

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

even if some people have to lose their kneecaps for that to happen?

I'm not going to get involved in discussions about social media reports of atrocities in Israel. They are something I don't believe in.

Edited June 17Jun 17 by Evil Penevil

15 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

He doesn't force anything, which is the free will he gave us. That makes us non robots following commands. His commandments make sense don't they? 4 are for him, the rest towards other humans.

FFS Fred, do you really think that these 10 commandments, the first saying tht you will only worship HIM, were sent from above to Moses engraved on two stone tablets, which were probably too heavy for the old Prophet to carry.

I know you will disagree, but there is more evidence to say that JC did not exist as he is in The Bible.

5 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

This excerpt comes from AI............millions of brilliant, scientifically literate people—including top scientists, philosophers, and thinkers—are devout believers. 

So you believe in your God and Chat GP or Co-Pilot? Or maybe God is behind those.

Ah Wiggy, we could go on and on forever to-ing and fro-ing like this. I have better things to do. This is the last I shall answer you, as I said last week, but some of your answers back are so ludicrous I cannot help but retaliate with my version of the truth.

Just get yourself back to reality.Bye.

Edited June 17Jun 17 by wil iam not

8 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I had a dream once.

god spoke with me. I asked him why his religions were cruel, why he wanted us to praise him.

god told me none of our religions were accurate. They were all invented by men for their own selfish reasons.

He told me he had 3 things to tell me.

First, we are all equal, no exceptions. I said murders? He repeated no exceptions.

Second, ALL he wants from us is to live good lives, help each other, be kind to each other. I asked him what about preying to him? Praising him? He told me he had already answered the question.

Thirdly, there is an afterlife, we will all go there, but we will all be judged. Not just by him but every soul we have ever interacted with. They must all forgive us. We will spend time in a kind of purgatory until every soul has forgiven us. I said Hitler must take a while then and he said Yes.

If I’d had this dream 2,000 years ago, I could have preached it and created a religion. I would have been called a prophet.

It was this dream that caused me to research Christianity and question my beliefs.

But that was just a dream. Like all dreams, they could be wishes, fantasies or reality based. When you're awake is what counts.

1 minute ago, wil iam not said:

Ah Wiggy, we could go on and on forever to-ing and fro-ing like this. I have better things to do. This is the last I shall answer you, as I said last week, but some of your answers back are so ludicrous I cannot help but retaliate with my version of the truth.

Just get yourself back to reality.Bye.

But I am in reality.

4 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

I believe in Zionism, which is the right to self-determination for Jewish people and a sovereign Jewish majority state in their ancestral homeland.

So with that logic, Indigenous people have the original right to America, and the later settlers should live by Indigenous rules and laws, even if the Indigenous people are now a minority?

1 hour ago, Evil Penevil said:

I'm not going to get involved in discussions about social media reports of atrocities in Israel. They are something I don't believe in.

so a lot fake news?

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

But that was just a dream. Like all dreams, they could be wishes, fantasies or reality based. When you're awake is what counts.

You are trying to act like you know more than everyone else on all matters God-related.

Which is what religious zealots inevitably do.

Last week, you were rambling on about how you will smoke a doobie with Jimi Hendrix in heaven. That's not make believe made up fantasy? You're spreading nonsense on here.

I won't continue arguing with a religious zealot. That never ends well.

Edited June 17Jun 17 by save the frogs

2 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

I used to be a Christian.

What a coincidence....!!!

I once was a Christian, too.

4 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

You are trying to act like you know more than everyone else on all matters God-related.

Which is what religious zealots inevitably do.

Last week, you were rambling on about how you will smoke a doobie with Jimi Hendrix in heaven. That's not make believe made up fantasy? You're spreading nonsense on here.

I won't continue arguing with a religious zealot. That never ends well.

Where am I acting like I know more? I've never tried to force religion on anyone. I don't stand in airports handing out pamphlets. Because I'm a believer that puts some people who don't believe off, which shouldn't happen. I have plenty of friends that are from different religions and some who don't believe. Not a problem as we accept each other as we are.

We believe there is a heaven, and of course if there is, seeing what God's already created, and hearing what we hear about it, it must be a great place. All the things that are good on earth with none of the bad, and people enjoying each other's company. Music of course, played by those who have passed, with no more fears of anything. A lot better than thinking this is all there is, and something to look forward to.

There is no reason to argue with anyone regarding religion. Why would there be? No one can make another do what they don't want to do unless they are control freaks, and it's easy to avoid them if you want peace.

I've said this before. You believe what you want and I will also. Believers like to hear from each other, and those that don't, can just avoid things about God, and talk about things that are mutual interests, like I do with my non believing friends.

This topic is what do you believe in, and why. God is one of them. There are also many other things that others can relate to besides God.

Edited June 17Jun 17 by fredwiggy

1 hour ago, Evil Penevil said:

I'm not going to get involved in discussions about social media reports of atrocities in Israel. They are something I don't believe in.

17 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

so a lot fake news?

Not a lot of fake news, but MASSES AND MASSES OF FAKE NEWS.

Fake videos, fake army lawyer reports, fake IDF soldiers with a pandemic of PTSD.

I could go on.

It’s the typical Israeli response…

• It didn’t happen

• Well it happened but not like that

• Ok it happened like that but it was an accident

• Yes it happened deliberately but we are the victims, the only victims

• Ok it did happen but we can do that we are the chosen people

Finally…

• Your an antisemite.

Edited June 17Jun 17 by JBChiangRai
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20 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

What a coincidence....!!!

I once was a Christian, too.

And now?

You're .... losing your religion?

Let's play Twister, let's play Risk.

See you in heaven if you make the list.

8 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Where am I acting like I know more? I've never tried to force religion on anyone. I don't stand in airports handing out pamphlets. Because I'm a believer that puts some people who don't believe off, which shouldn't happen. I have plenty of friends that are from different religions and some who don't believe. Not a problem as we accept each other as we are.

We believe there is a heaven, and of course if there is, seeing what God's already created, and hearing what we hear about it, it must be a great place. All the things that are good on earth with none of the bad, and people enjoying each other's company. Music of course, played by those who have passed, with no more fears of anything. A lot better than thinking this is all there is, and something to look forward to.

There is no reason to argue with anyone regarding religion. Why would there be? No one can make another do what they don't want to do unless they are control freaks, and it's easy to avoid them if you want peace.

I've said this before. You believe what you want and I will also. Believers like to hear from each other, and those that don't, can just avoid things about God, and talk about things that are mutual interests, like I do with my non believing friends.

This topic is what do you believe in, and why. God is one of them. There are also many other things that others can relate to besides God.

I don’t have a problem with any adult believing in any religion.

What I have a problem with is teaching Christianity (indeed any religion) as fact to young children and trying to convert people to Christianity, especially Buddhists in Thailand who already have a far more noble belief system.

Teaching religion to children is hijacking young, impressionable minds.

I prefer to see teens taught several competing religions and choosing which, if any, they want to follow.