9 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I don’t have a problem with any adult believing in any religion.

What I have a problem with is teaching Christianity (indeed any religion) as fact to young children and trying to convert people to Christianity, especially Buddhists in Thailand who already have a far more noble belief system.

Teaching religion to children is hijacking young, impressionable minds.

I prefer to see teens taught several competing religions and choosing which, if any, they want to follow.

And if there is only the one God, what happens to them if they choose wrong? Buddhism has some decent ideas, and Buddha himself didn't deny there was a possible God or a higher being, just that he didn't think there was one in charge of everything, Everything was cause and effect, which is somewhat true. People pray to him, a man, thinking he will help them, but if God exists, that's teaching people he isn't necessary, and that could be a huge mistake.

There are many religions, all man made besides Christianity, even though some will disagree. Praying to idols is a no no and that makes sense if there is an all powerful one God. Two of his commandments.

6 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

And if there is only the one God, what happens to them if they choose wrong? Buddhism has some decent ideas, and Buddha himself didn't deny there was a possible God or a higher being, just that he didn't think there was one in charge of everything, Everything was cause and effect, which is somewhat true. People pray to him, a man, thinking he will help them, but if God exists, that's teaching people he isn't necessary, and that could be a huge mistake.

There are many religions, all man made besides Christianity, even though some will disagree. Praying to idols is a no no and that makes sense if there is an all powerful one God. Two of his commandments.

You probably pray to an idol, a graven image?

Graven means carved. Do you ever pray to an image of JC on the cross? You’re breaking a commandment.

Do you prefer it on the modern translation?

You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them…

Praying doesn’t work. Try googling STEP the great prayer experiment, double blind clinical trial, spoiler alert, prayer doesn’t work.

I’ve already explained why god doesn’t care whether you believe in him, why all he wants is for you to live a good life. It matters not one jot whether you believe in him. The test of goodness remember.

Incidentally, do you believe the Senilese who have never come across Christianity can’t go to heaven?

How about Jews today?

How about everyone who died BCE?

How about apes? (We share the same common ancestor, proven FACT not Theory).

How about my dogs? My cat?

48 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

And now?

You're .... losing your religion?

Let's play Twister, let's play Risk.

See you in heaven if you make the list.

Have you analysed the text and the meaning behind it ?

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

You're .... losing your religion?

Apostate from a relatively early age.....

My life has been just one fiasco, after the next.

This is my lot in life, Lalena.....

BAD....very bad....

BUT....here is the best.....I can't blame ya.....

LA-DEE-DA.....

Nobody can match DONOVAN....as we all know.....

IF I were to believe in .....ANYTHING....then.....

I would believe in DONOVAN, and not much else......

I run my hands through my hair, and I think.....

Why do I have less than I once did.

So unfair, this world, really....

But, nobody knows why.

Edited June 17Jun 17 by GammaGlobulin

11 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

There are many religions, all man made besides Christianity

Have you any idea how ridiculous that sounds?

11 hours ago, Hummin said:

Have you analysed the text and the meaning behind it ?

not really.

whats your take on it?

18 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

not really.

whats your take on it?

A song can mean many things personally, just by the words, the sound, and where you are emotionally when you hear it. I have always enjoyed looking up lyrics and searching for the real meaning behind them. I have been surprised many times, also by the hidden ambiguity, where we create our own images and sometimes there is no fixed meaning, except that it sounds good.

David Bowie was a master of mystery. I loved his poetry even before I could understand full sentences.

Metallica hit me hard with Nothing Else Matters. It is a love song, but I made it my life slogan. Whatever I decided to do, nothing else mattered. I have tried to live by that ever since I discovered the song, as best I can.

AI says:

“Losing My Religion” was originally based on a Southern American idiom.

Despite the title, R.E.M.’s 1991 song is not mainly about a crisis of faith. “Losing my religion” means losing your patience, losing your temper, or reaching your breaking point.

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

David Bowie was a master of mystery. I loved his poetry even before I could understand full sentences.

Yeah, ambiguity and mystery can be a good thing I guess.

All the most famous songs, no one is exactly sure what the lyrics mean.

Stairway to Heaven ...

The air of mystery gets people talking more.

Kind of like Stanley Kubrick or David Lynch films. They are so cryptic that it gets people talking about the film more.

But in some cases, I think the artists are literally TROLLING us with bull<deleted> lyrics.

1 - Because they are so famous, they can do whatever they want and no matter what music they put out, the fans will buy it.

2 - Maybe they are running out of ideas for real songs

3 - They know most people don't even pay attention to lyrics

Example: Nirvana Heart-Shaped Box

Trying to sound cool, I guess ... but again, kids don't listen to lyrics.

But to me, lyrics are the most important thing.

When I see crappy lyrics, I boycott the song.

26 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Yeah, ambiguity and mystery can be a good thing I guess.

All the most famous songs, no one is exactly sure what the lyrics mean.

Stairway to Heaven ...

The air of mystery gets people talking more.

Kind of like Stanley Kubrick or David Lynch films. They are so cryptic that it gets people talking about the film more.

But in some cases, I think the artists are literally TROLLING us with bull<deleted> lyrics.

1 - Because they are so famous, they can do whatever they want and no matter what music they put out, the fans will buy it.

2 - Maybe they are running out of ideas for real songs

3 - They know most people don't even pay attention to lyrics

Example: Nirvana Heart-Shaped Box

Trying to sound cool, I guess ... but again, kids don't listen to lyrics.

But to me, lyrics are the most important thing.

When I see crappy lyrics, I boycott the song.

I would not underestimate artists and their motives.

My favorite morning song at the moment. Even this one has an underlying meaning, even if it is a funny one. The Italians were quite upset with it.

He is making fun of the stereotype of the flashy modern man: busy, rich, caffeinated, self important, always performing success. The Italian image is the costume he uses.

That is why some Italians got upset. The song uses clichés about Italians: coffee, spaghetti, mafia, luxury, tobacco and fake Italian language. Italian consumer group Codacons even asked Eurovision to look at whether the song should be allowed, because they felt it insulted Italians and linked them to organised crime. Tommy Cash said he did not mean to offend, and many Italians also took it as funny satire.

Edited June 18Jun 18 by Hummin

14 hours ago, Hummin said:

So with that logic, Indigenous people have the original right to America, and the later settlers should live by Indigenous rules and laws, even if the Indigenous people are now a minority?

You can't apply that system of belief (not logic) to other countries' indigenous people. The relationship of Jews to Israel is unique in human experience.

I fully acknowledge this is a matter of belief and not everyone accepts it. Hopefully, the right of Israel to exist as the homeland of the world's Jews can be settled through negotiation. If not, that's why we have the IDF.

15 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Tommy Cash said he did not mean to offend, and many Italians also took it as funny satire.

sweating like a mafioso. hilarious.

ridiculously long tie.

but we are (were) all running around like headless chickens, highly caffeinated, wearing suits, trying to impress.

glad that is behind me.

this guy is like weird al yankovic.

Edited June 18Jun 18 by save the frogs

19 minutes ago, Hummin said:

My favorite morning song at the moment. Even this one has an underlying meaning, even if it is a funny one.

so what is this?

making fun of new age cults?

I will watch some of his videos, but even though it may have an interesting message, it's unlistenable. I can't listen to this.

8 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

You can't apply that system of belief (not logic) to other countries' indigenous people. The relationship of Jews to Israel is unique in human experience.

I fully acknowledge this is a matter of belief and not everyone accepts it. Hopefully, the right of Israel to exist as the homeland of the world's Jews can be settled through negotiation. If not, that's why we have the IDF.

I would not claim the Israelis did not know what they were doing when they built a state again after almost two thousand years without an independent Jewish state of their own.

They knew they were building it in a region where they would not be welcomed. They knew the surrounding people and states were born into history, culture, religion, land, fear, and conflict where Israel was already seen as the enemy. Nobody simply welcomed the Jews back to Israel.

From the beginning, Israel’s survival depended on strong external support and help. That support has been pushed far beyond its limits now. What once looked like survival now starts to look like a state willing to drag everyone else into a wider conflict to protect its own project.

That is the dangerous part. Not just Israel defending itself, but Israel acting as if the whole world must carry the cost of its choices, almost like some people are willing to risk a wished for Armageddon to fulfil a prophecy,

4 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

so what is this?

making fun of new age cults?

I will watch some of his videos, but even though it may have an interesting message, it's unlistenable. I can't listen to this.

I haven’t listened to his other songs, but the Espresso song makes me smile, and that is a good start in the morning.

Knowing I am free from all the noise back there somewhere makes it even better. Morning rituals matter. Some say a prayer, others do something else, but rituals still matter.

41 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

sweating like a mafioso. hilarious.

ridiculously long tie.

but we are (were) all running around like headless chickens, highly caffeinated, wearing suits, trying to impress.

glad that is behind me.

this guy is like weird al yankovic.

No hidden meaning here. I like listening to Dope Lemon. For some reason it calms and soothes my mind.

It feels like therapy without actually taking drugs. But I also have memories of drugs and their effect, so maybe that is part of the real effect of the songs. They bring back that feeling without needing anything else.

6 minutes ago, Hummin said:

It feels like therapy without actually taking drugs.

But it encourages people to be doped up every day.

I'm not a big fan of that.

In fact, 50% of rock music is mostly about encouraging the drug lifestyle ...

Edited June 18Jun 18 by save the frogs

7 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

But it encourages people to be doped up every day.

I'm not a big fan of that.

Thats where free speech and free will comes in 🤗

“Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds” by The Beatles., Purple Haze Jimmy Hendrix and more, but remember these songs do have multiple meanings and it is you who decide what it is to you.

6 minutes ago, Hummin said:

“Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds” by The Beatles., Purple Haze Jimmy Hendrix and more, but remember these songs do have multiple meanings and it is you who decide what it is to you.

The "meaning" is generally trickery and deceit and brainwashing.

They are glamorizing the drug lifestyle.

It's mostly happening subconsciously, since the music is so mesmerizing and hypnotic.

Purple Haze lyrics:

Purple haze, all around
Don't know if I'm comin' up or down
Am I happy or in misery?
What ever it is, that girl put a spell on me

He's even telling you that he's miserable.

But no one pays attention to lyrics anyway.

People were so busy being mesmerized by Jimi's guitar skills.

And some of these musicians are so talented, the song is basically a hypnotic spell.

(part 2 coming up)

Edited June 18Jun 18 by save the frogs

11 minutes ago, Hummin said:

“Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds” by The Beatles.,

Beatles entire album Sgt Pepper's is a full story. One guy analyzed it.

Rolling Stones Brown Sugar:

The song is cool, therefore heroin must be cool, right? That's how the human brain operates.

Then you finally get guys who have been in the music industry for decades coming out and telling the real story -- that these drugs are messing up people's lives.

14 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Then you finally get guys who have been in the music industry for decades coming out and telling the real story -- that these drugs are messing up people's lives.

A little secret, most people are messed up at some point in life.

What matters is how you come out of it on the other side. Maybe creative genius artists are more exposed to it, and fame does not always fix things either.

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

A little secret, most people are messed up at some point in life.

And partying and drugs is promoted as the solution in pop/rock culture.

Here is Madonna with her latest mind-f***.

At one point, she is passing around the cocaine to start the party.

4 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Have you any idea how ridiculous that sounds?

Not at all, as a believer believes this, from AI, but available otherwise........

The Faith Perspective (Divine Origin)
Christians believe the religion is of divine origin. They hold that Jesus Christ is the literal Son of God and that the faith is rooted in his life, death, and resurrection. From this view, the Bible is divinely inspired, meaning God worked through human authors to record His truth.

There is no way of proving it wrong, so this is where we stand.

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

But it encourages people to be doped up every day.

I'm not a big fan of that.

In fact, 50% of rock music is mostly about encouraging the drug lifestyle ...

They say about 15% . I think a tad more, but most is about relationships, life's troubles, sex, rebellion, love, politics, horror, fame and it's downfalls and freedom.

2 hours ago, Hummin said:

Thats where free speech and free will comes in 🤗

“Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds” by The Beatles., Purple Haze Jimmy Hendrix and more, but remember these songs do have multiple meanings and it is you who decide what it is to you.

Many thought Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds was about LSD, but Lennon told it was of his son Julian's drawing

20 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Many thought Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds was about LSD, but Lennon told it was of his son Julian's drawing

The artists sometimes lie about and deny the real meanings of the songs.

They can never state explicitly that they are promoting and glamorizing drug use.

A lot of music is subliminal programming.

It's part of the deception.

8 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

The artists sometimes lie about and deny the real meanings of the songs.

They can never state explicitly that they are promoting and glamorizing drug use.

A lot of music is subliminal programming.

It's part of the deception.

There are a few things certain songs can be interpreted as, and if you know the artist's histories, it's not too hard to figure them out. It's their lives many times, put into lyrics. Real life, fantasies, dreams they had, fears, relationship dynamics.

38 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Many thought Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds was about LSD, but Lennon told it was of his son Julian's drawing

The art of possible multiple meanings is what makes people discuss your art 😉

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

The art of possible multiple meanings is what makes people discuss your art 😉

Yes, there are songwriters that are very good at that craft. Some for fun, and some for others to figure out.

25 minutes ago, Hummin said:

The art of possible multiple meanings is what makes people discuss your art 😉

Also, note that "Madonna" has religious connotations.

So some of these artists are so influential on people's minds that they are basically modern Jesus-type figures.

Religion is not just in the Bible.

17 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

You probably pray to an idol, a graven image?

Graven means carved. Do you ever pray to an image of JC on the cross? You’re breaking a commandment.

Do you prefer it on the modern translation?

You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them…

Praying doesn’t work. Try googling STEP the great prayer experiment, double blind clinical trial, spoiler alert, prayer doesn’t work.

I’ve already explained why god doesn’t care whether you believe in him, why all he wants is for you to live a good life. It matters not one jot whether you believe in him. The test of goodness remember.

Incidentally, do you believe the Senilese who have never come across Christianity can’t go to heaven?

How about Jews today?

How about everyone who died BCE?

How about apes? (We share the same common ancestor, proven FACT not Theory).

How about my dogs? My cat?

No, praying to Jesus on a cross isn't praying to a graven image. Anything other than Jesus would be, as it's idol worship. You aren't praying to a piece of wood but in your heart you are praying to Jesus. Remember God knows your heart.

This explains it more........The Core Consensus: Across nearly all Christian beliefs, the creation of an object is only considered a sin of idolatry if the heart of the worshiper treats the object itself as God or prays to the statue/image rather than to Christ.

No one can prove whether prayer works or not. Some things that seemed impossible, lie a person recovering from almost death, could be a miracle from prayer or plain luck, but you don't know.

The people on North Sentinel Island don't know about God, as anyone who's tried to visit there has been killed, besides the few throwing them food. God's their judge, but seeing they haven't been approached by missionaries, I'm sure God would allow them into heaven.

Jews believe in God, thought you would know this. Everyone who has been given the word about God has a choice to make.

It's all for God to judge, as his mind is far above anyone's and seeing he invented humans, is in charge.