Foreign Investors Still Optimistic About Pattaya

[george]

Foreign investors still optimistic about Pattaya

BANGKOK: -- The Thai Government is currently taking steps to reassure foreign investors, one of Thailand‘s biggest money earners, that the present wave of political protests is a short term affair and isn‘t indicative of long-term instability.

Apparently, Foreign Minister Noppadon Pattama thought it necessary to reassure the British business community, in particular via the UK‘s Foreign Minister, David Miliband, that all was essentially well in the Land of Smiles and what discontent there was was merely a symptom of the democratic process.

Everybody here understands that street protests are normal in any democratic country and they don‘t have to hurt government stability," Noppadon said in a press briefing in London on June 3, 2008.

Mr. Noppadon's attempt to reassure both foreign investors and potential tourists was apparently in response to a recent report that Asian tourists in particular are shying away from Thailand because of the political protests, Malaysia and Indonesia, apparently issuing travel warnings to their citizens contemplating Thai holidays. Highly respected Thai commentator, Prawase Wasi, also warned that the Thai poltico-economic conflicts were discouraging investment and tourism and proposed the establishment of a national government as a solution.

All this popular mass protest recently witnessed in the streets of Bangkok, doesn't seem to have radically affected Russian and Scandinavian investors, particularly in Pattaya, however. In 2007, 889,656 Russians visited Pattaya, up 84 per cent from 2006, making them the leading market for the resort. According to Raimon Land's CEO, Nigel Cornick's recent edition of the definitive property guide "Why invest...... Pattaya", the Russians and Scandinavians have now displaced the Brits and Germans as the main property investors in Pattaya, which is particularly good news for developers in this fair city. And although the Russians have been coming here for the past 10 years, it's only in the past two that they have started to buy up Pattaya properties. Last year, according to Raimon Land, Russian property purchases accounted for 22 per cent, (USD 7.7 million) of condominium sales in their upmarket developments Northshore, The Lofts, Southshore and Northpoint.

The Russians, however, not exactly being super-linguists as any Pattaya-Jomtien baht-bus passenger can readily attest, do tend to place their trust in their own language speakers, which is why recently so many Pattaya Real estate agents have begun to recruit Russian speakers, as a glimpse at the classified Jobs Offered sections of the local media will confirm. Although some longer term Russian Pattaya residents have begun placing their children in the local international schools where learning English is far cheaper than back in Russia.

One new trend, however, won't gladden the hearts of the established Pattaya real estate agencies, however, that of the recent setting up of real estate agencies by authentic Russians, many of whom have direct links with the lucrative CIS tourist group market. Uriy Segal, the Russian president of Russian House, a newly set-up Pattaya property agency, stated "I think this year (2008), Russians will account for 40 per cent of property sales in Pattaya." Segal also commented that compared to Moscow, property prices in Pattaya are a bargain.

Although there is a growing trend for Russians to open their own real estate agencies, their local Western brethren can still count on substantial Russian custom, however, as can be vouched for by the likes of Raimon Land, CB Richard Ellis and Siam Best Enterprises.' ultra prestigious, Ocean 1 Tower. Russians, apparently, love to boast of their purchases back home and ownership in Siam Best Enterprises.' ultra prestigious, Ocean 1 Tower, as SE Asia's potentially tallest building comes top of the list.

For most Pattaya real estate agencies however, the Scandinavian local investor market is much less lucrative. Although there is a prediction by Colliers International of a huge incipient surge from Nordic RSH (retired and second home) investors, with Pattaya investments estimated at Bt1550 billion (2008-9), local real estate agents can expect to see little of this as the Swedish and Norwegian market in Pattaya is effectively sewn by up savvy Scandinavian developers who often sell Pattaya properties to their compatriots even before they come to what is now termed the Asian Riviera or mini-Bangkok, i.e. Pattaya.

-- Pattaya Daily News 2008-06-06

[learnthaipodcast]

Maybe they just read less news in Russia and Scandinavia. Let's just wait for the next coup and see. Did Pattaya become really already a bit more family friendly in recent years?

[tw25rw]

The Russians, however, not exactly being super-linguists as any Pattaya-Jomtien baht-bus passenger can readily attest,

Worse than Engliah speakers? Difference being that baht bus drivers don't know any Russian.

[Dmitry]

I'am Russian and I confirm this message.

[Dmitry]

The Russians, however, not exactly being super-linguists as any Pattaya-Jomtien baht-bus passenger can readily attest,

Worse than Engliah speakers? Difference being that baht bus drivers don't know any Russian.

but many receipt girls at the hotels do know russians, "privet" "davay davay" , and even more to come in the future, i strongly believe so.

so why not drivers.. ..time will show

[Journalist]

I like the guy on a personal and professional level

But every time an article on pattaya real estate mentions Nigel Cornick, I tune out !

Sorry Nige, you're a great guy, but Tb 120,000 a square metre for Pattaya defies sanity

An' how come you never sell the units in the high rises facing inland !!

[cclub75]

Everybody here understands that street protests are normal in any democratic country and they don‘t have to hurt government stability," Noppadon said in a press briefing in London on June 3, 2008.

Noppadon is a jerk. A bozo. A clown. But a "normal" one.

Sure... everybody understand that coups "are normal", that political stalemate "is normal", (comment deleted) , and that Thailand is definitely normal.

The guy was better in his role of Thaksin's lawyer, and when he was his spokeman under the Junta. At least, he was able to play the victim...

But now, as "Foreign Minister" (ah ah ah) this is just too much. Talk about credibility.

Anyway : you know now that everything is "normal".

So what are you waiting for ? Go to buy condos in Pattaya-the-dump ! Allez !

[bobzillauk]

After living in Thailand (Pattaya) for nearly seven years, i can say that the driving down beach road on a busy night like friday and saturday is now like a ghost town, walking street is busy with walkers, but go down the usual gogos there mainly empty, (Might be because they have recently put their prices up, but the distributors have not).

The downfall is that soi baguell (mind my spelling), is now probably the busiest soi, because of the cheapest beer, and that they have true happy hours, like buy 1 get 1 free.

Most tourists are now going down phuket, and koh samui, but i once read a breifing in a local newspaper about pattaya, saying why live in pattaya, and get robbed. Its got the highest crime rate in Thailand.

I've live here 7 years, married to a very nice lady, seen a few bad things, but never had the pleasure of being robbed. (Touch wood).

Why less of the rubbish, went to the computex fair in Taipei, so asked hotel were is all the action, they said johnston street, and guest who i came across first in a bar, a thai lady from kaon khen, european prices for bear a fiver for a lady drink and seventy quid for all the added extras. Not the most attractive bars, but had a good crack.

Well Back home tomorrow, cant wait to hit the town again.

[sickwaterbuffalo2]

Foreign investors still optimistic about Pattaya

BANGKOK: -- The Thai Government is currently taking steps to reassure foreign investors, one of Thailand's biggest money earners, that the present wave of political protests is a short term affair and isn't indicative of long-term instability.

Apparently, Foreign Minister Noppadon Pattama thought it necessary to reassure the British business community, in particular via the UK's Foreign Minister, David Miliband, that all was essentially well in the Land of Smiles and what discontent there was was merely a symptom of the democratic process.

Everybody here understands that street protests are normal in any democratic country and they don't have to hurt government stability," Noppadon said in a press briefing in London on June 3, 2008.

Mr. Noppadon's attempt to reassure both foreign investors and potential tourists was apparently in response to a recent report that Asian tourists in particular are shying away from Thailand because of the political protests, Malaysia and Indonesia, apparently issuing travel warnings to their citizens contemplating Thai holidays. Highly respected Thai commentator, Prawase Wasi, also warned that the Thai poltico-economic conflicts were discouraging investment and tourism and proposed the establishment of a national government as a solution.

All this popular mass protest recently witnessed in the streets of Bangkok, doesn't seem to have radically affected Russian and Scandinavian investors, particularly in Pattaya, however. In 2007, 889,656 Russians visited Pattaya, up 84 per cent from 2006, making them the leading market for the resort. According to Raimon Land's CEO, Nigel Cornick's recent edition of the definitive property guide "Why invest...... Pattaya", the Russians and Scandinavians have now displaced the Brits and Germans as the main property investors in Pattaya, which is particularly good news for developers in this fair city. And although the Russians have been coming here for the past 10 years, it's only in the past two that they have started to buy up Pattaya properties. Last year, according to Raimon Land, Russian property purchases accounted for 22 per cent, (USD 7.7 million) of condominium sales in their upmarket developments Northshore, The Lofts, Southshore and Northpoint.

The Russians, however, not exactly being super-linguists as any Pattaya-Jomtien baht-bus passenger can readily attest, do tend to place their trust in their own language speakers, which is why recently so many Pattaya Real estate agents have begun to recruit Russian speakers, as a glimpse at the classified Jobs Offered sections of the local media will confirm. Although some longer term Russian Pattaya residents have begun placing their children in the local international schools where learning English is far cheaper than back in Russia.

One new trend, however, won't gladden the hearts of the established Pattaya real estate agencies, however, that of the recent setting up of real estate agencies by authentic Russians, many of whom have direct links with the lucrative CIS tourist group market. Uriy Segal, the Russian president of Russian House, a newly set-up Pattaya property agency, stated "I think this year (2008), Russians will account for 40 per cent of property sales in Pattaya." Segal also commented that compared to Moscow, property prices in Pattaya are a bargain.

Although there is a growing trend for Russians to open their own real estate agencies, their local Western brethren can still count on substantial Russian custom, however, as can be vouched for by the likes of Raimon Land, CB Richard Ellis and Siam Best Enterprises.' ultra prestigious, Ocean 1 Tower. Russians, apparently, love to boast of their purchases back home and ownership in Siam Best Enterprises.' ultra prestigious, Ocean 1 Tower, as SE Asia's potentially tallest building comes top of the list.

For most Pattaya real estate agencies however, the Scandinavian local investor market is much less lucrative. Although there is a prediction by Colliers International of a huge incipient surge from Nordic RSH (retired and second home) investors, with Pattaya investments estimated at Bt1550 billion (2008-9), local real estate agents can expect to see little of this as the Swedish and Norwegian market in Pattaya is effectively sewn by up savvy Scandinavian developers who often sell Pattaya properties to their compatriots even before they come to what is now termed the Asian Riviera or mini-Bangkok, i.e. Pattaya.

-- Pattaya Daily News 2008-06-06

The Asian Riviera ?????? Is the guy who wrote this piece on acid or what?

how kan some one compare that dump to the French Riviera ! he should do some travelling before writing things like that.

[callipposhots]

Tourism "boosting Thai property"

Thailand’s biggest international real estate provider, CB Richard Ellis, has reported soaring interest in holiday home investment, which it attributes to booming tourism and an increase in flight links.

In Phuket, the firm reports a 32 per cent increase in transactions from the third to last quarter of 2007, with a 59 per cent increase in their value, based on the latest statistics from the Land Department. While villas prices doubled from 2000 to 2006, CBRE said: “Phuket remains globally competitive. Prices and interest remain solid.”

Market enthusiasm is attributed to growing tourism, with tourist arrivals to Phuket exceeding 5 million last year, complimented by a robust 22.5 per cent increase in visitors to Thailand. These included many from new tourism sources, such as Russia, the UAE, Switzerland and eastern European countries. “As a result, there is a broader global customer base for high-end villas. Previously, most customers were expatriates from Hong Kong and Singapore. Now we are seeing a rise in demand from NRIs, Russians and Eastern Europeans,” said CBRE.

Airlines have responded to demand, most notably with new connections from regional budget carriers. From Singapore, budget airline Tiger Airways is supporting Silk Air connections. Air Asia has introduced new flights from Kuala Lumpur, and introduces daily flights between Macau and Phuket in May 2008.

Dragon Air is meanwhile upgrading its Phuket-Hong Kong route in peak seasons with larger aircraft and 90 international chartered flights in the last high season from October 2007 to March 2008, which represented a 150 per cent increase from last year. With new flight links, investors are also looking for opportunities beyond Phuket to areas such as Phang Nga, Krabi and outlying islands in the Andaman Sea, said the realtor.

http://www.property-report.com/aprarchives...amp;date=260508

[bombdefuzer]

Foreign investors still optimistic about Pattaya

BANGKOK: -- The Thai Government is currently taking steps to reassure foreign investors, one of Thailand's biggest money earners, that the present wave of political protests is a short term affair and isn't indicative of long-term instability.

Apparently, Foreign Minister Noppadon Pattama thought it necessary to reassure the British business community, in particular via the UK's Foreign Minister, David Miliband, that all was essentially well in the Land of Smiles and what discontent there was was merely a symptom of the democratic process.

Everybody here understands that street protests are normal in any democratic country and they don't have to hurt government stability," Noppadon said in a press briefing in London on June 3, 2008.

Mr. Noppadon's attempt to reassure both foreign investors and potential tourists was apparently in response to a recent report that Asian tourists in particular are shying away from Thailand because of the political protests, Malaysia and Indonesia, apparently issuing travel warnings to their citizens contemplating Thai holidays. Highly respected Thai commentator, Prawase Wasi, also warned that the Thai poltico-economic conflicts were discouraging investment and tourism and proposed the establishment of a national government as a solution.

All this popular mass protest recently witnessed in the streets of Bangkok, doesn't seem to have radically affected Russian and Scandinavian investors, particularly in Pattaya, however. In 2007, 889,656 Russians visited Pattaya, up 84 per cent from 2006, making them the leading market for the resort. According to Raimon Land's CEO, Nigel Cornick's recent edition of the definitive property guide "Why invest...... Pattaya", the Russians and Scandinavians have now displaced the Brits and Germans as the main property investors in Pattaya, which is particularly good news for developers in this fair city. And although the Russians have been coming here for the past 10 years, it's only in the past two that they have started to buy up Pattaya properties. Last year, according to Raimon Land, Russian property purchases accounted for 22 per cent, (USD 7.7 million) of condominium sales in their upmarket developments Northshore, The Lofts, Southshore and Northpoint.

The Russians, however, not exactly being super-linguists as any Pattaya-Jomtien baht-bus passenger can readily attest, do tend to place their trust in their own language speakers, which is why recently so many Pattaya Real estate agents have begun to recruit Russian speakers, as a glimpse at the classified Jobs Offered sections of the local media will confirm. Although some longer term Russian Pattaya residents have begun placing their children in the local international schools where learning English is far cheaper than back in Russia.

One new trend, however, won't gladden the hearts of the established Pattaya real estate agencies, however, that of the recent setting up of real estate agencies by authentic Russians, many of whom have direct links with the lucrative CIS tourist group market. Uriy Segal, the Russian president of Russian House, a newly set-up Pattaya property agency, stated "I think this year (2008), Russians will account for 40 per cent of property sales in Pattaya." Segal also commented that compared to Moscow, property prices in Pattaya are a bargain.

Although there is a growing trend for Russians to open their own real estate agencies, their local Western brethren can still count on substantial Russian custom, however, as can be vouched for by the likes of Raimon Land, CB Richard Ellis and Siam Best Enterprises.' ultra prestigious, Ocean 1 Tower. Russians, apparently, love to boast of their purchases back home and ownership in Siam Best Enterprises.' ultra prestigious, Ocean 1 Tower, as SE Asia's potentially tallest building comes top of the list.

For most Pattaya real estate agencies however, the Scandinavian local investor market is much less lucrative. Although there is a prediction by Colliers International of a huge incipient surge from Nordic RSH (retired and second home) investors, with Pattaya investments estimated at Bt1550 billion (2008-9), local real estate agents can expect to see little of this as the Swedish and Norwegian market in Pattaya is effectively sewn by up savvy Scandinavian developers who often sell Pattaya properties to their compatriots even before they come to what is now termed the Asian Riviera or mini-Bangkok, i.e. Pattaya.

-- Pattaya Daily News 2008-06-06

I just spent the past week in Pattaya. I couldn't wait to leave. Nothing but lurking looks at me and my steady university educated girlfriend. I wouldn't buy anything there. The infrastructure and environment is nothing worth investing in, nothing but sex tourists and protitutes. If you think there is more than that, you need your head examined. I would'nt gamble my money on Pattaya. There are many more places in Thailand to enjoy. Investing in real estate in another country is not an investment. Only spend as much as you are willing to lose.

[akaika]

What a great reply. Well summarized with a reference! Thanks.

[Ray1167]

the funniest thing i've read all week are the attempts by real estate agents in Pattaya to 'talk up' the market . Specifically articles in the June edition of Bangkok Trader by the likes of Alan Verstein , MD Siam Gazette Co Ltd ( the swirling winds of change ) and commentary on Ocean 1 by Siam Best Enterprises Co.

I can't believe they expect people to take them seriously .

[FairwayJack]

Foreign investors still optimistic about Pattaya

BANGKOK: -- The Thai Government is currently taking steps to reassure foreign investors, one of Thailand's biggest money earners, that the present wave of political protests is a short term affair and isn't indicative of long-term instability.

Apparently, Foreign Minister Noppadon Pattama thought it necessary to reassure the British business community, in particular via the UK's Foreign Minister, David Miliband, that all was essentially well in the Land of Smiles and what discontent there was was merely a symptom of the democratic process.

Everybody here understands that street protests are normal in any democratic country and they don't have to hurt government stability," Noppadon said in a press briefing in London on June 3, 2008.

Mr. Noppadon's attempt to reassure both foreign investors and potential tourists was apparently in response to a recent report that Asian tourists in particular are shying away from Thailand because of the political protests, Malaysia and Indonesia, apparently issuing travel warnings to their citizens contemplating Thai holidays. Highly respected Thai commentator, Prawase Wasi, also warned that the Thai poltico-economic conflicts were discouraging investment and tourism and proposed the establishment of a national government as a solution.

All this popular mass protest recently witnessed in the streets of Bangkok, doesn't seem to have radically affected Russian and Scandinavian investors, particularly in Pattaya, however. In 2007, 889,656 Russians visited Pattaya, up 84 per cent from 2006, making them the leading market for the resort. According to Raimon Land's CEO, Nigel Cornick's recent edition of the definitive property guide "Why invest...... Pattaya", the Russians and Scandinavians have now displaced the Brits and Germans as the main property investors in Pattaya, which is particularly good news for developers in this fair city. And although the Russians have been coming here for the past 10 years, it's only in the past two that they have started to buy up Pattaya properties. Last year, according to Raimon Land, Russian property purchases accounted for 22 per cent, (USD 7.7 million) of condominium sales in their upmarket developments Northshore, The Lofts, Southshore and Northpoint.

The Russians, however, not exactly being super-linguists as any Pattaya-Jomtien baht-bus passenger can readily attest, do tend to place their trust in their own language speakers, which is why recently so many Pattaya Real estate agents have begun to recruit Russian speakers, as a glimpse at the classified Jobs Offered sections of the local media will confirm. Although some longer term Russian Pattaya residents have begun placing their children in the local international schools where learning English is far cheaper than back in Russia.

One new trend, however, won't gladden the hearts of the established Pattaya real estate agencies, however, that of the recent setting up of real estate agencies by authentic Russians, many of whom have direct links with the lucrative CIS tourist group market. Uriy Segal, the Russian president of Russian House, a newly set-up Pattaya property agency, stated "I think this year (2008), Russians will account for 40 per cent of property sales in Pattaya." Segal also commented that compared to Moscow, property prices in Pattaya are a bargain.

Although there is a growing trend for Russians to open their own real estate agencies, their local Western brethren can still count on substantial Russian custom, however, as can be vouched for by the likes of Raimon Land, CB Richard Ellis and Siam Best Enterprises.' ultra prestigious, Ocean 1 Tower. Russians, apparently, love to boast of their purchases back home and ownership in Siam Best Enterprises.' ultra prestigious, Ocean 1 Tower, as SE Asia's potentially tallest building comes top of the list.

For most Pattaya real estate agencies however, the Scandinavian local investor market is much less lucrative. Although there is a prediction by Colliers International of a huge incipient surge from Nordic RSH (retired and second home) investors, with Pattaya investments estimated at Bt1550 billion (2008-9), local real estate agents can expect to see little of this as the Swedish and Norwegian market in Pattaya is effectively sewn by up savvy Scandinavian developers who often sell Pattaya properties to their compatriots even before they come to what is now termed the Asian Riviera or mini-Bangkok, i.e. Pattaya.

-- Pattaya Daily News 2008-06-06

I just spent the past week in Pattaya. I couldn't wait to leave. Nothing but lurking looks at me and my steady university educated girlfriend. I wouldn't buy anything there. The infrastructure and environment is nothing worth investing in, nothing but sex tourists and protitutes. If you think there is more than that, you need your head examined. I would'nt gamble my money on Pattaya. There are many more places in Thailand to enjoy. Investing in real estate in another country is not an investment. Only spend as much as you are willing to lose.

I tell you ....I like Pattaya. I take my wife and 3 kids and stay overnight at a good but not expenses hotel. I play golf while she minds the kids, shops and relaxes by the pool. The children love the various activities. Last time it was jet ski races. At night we see friends who live there and have a nice dinner maybe see a show. Then we all head back to BKK only 2 hrs away. It is all well and good.

....except for a bit a traffic

[catwho]

I bought my land in pattaya and had the house and pool built 4 years ago,total cost 3 million, 3 bed, 2 bath,14 mt pool,i had it sold a month ago for 5 mill,i went looking around pattaya for another house for a week,all the villages i had looked at not long ago with many places fo sale,all of a sudden have only 2/3 for sale,

and a 2 story 3 bed house's no pool were selling from 4 1/2 mill up some cheaper,but not good for a resale later.

i stopped the sale before deposit,and am now glad i did,my norwegien neighbor has 4 house's and he has them constantly rented.

the thais are buying,and the russians are both renting and buying,i use to check the condos out but not lately so i car'nt comment on them.but the house's i've found are on the up, if you have not got on your bike or car to look around and only listen to others,you are not doing yourself, or others a favor,like anything else you have to do your homework.

cat

[joskydive]

I just spent the past week in Pattaya. I couldn't wait to leave. Nothing but lurking looks at me and my steady university educated girlfriend. I wouldn't buy anything there. The infrastructure and environment is nothing worth investing in, nothing but sex tourists and protitutes. If you think there is more than that, you need your head examined. I would'nt gamble my money on Pattaya. There are many more places in Thailand to enjoy. Investing in real estate in another country is not an investment. Only spend as much as you are willing to lose.

Lived in Pattaya for the last 10 years and wouldn't live anywhere else. There are other things to do besides going and checking out the sex tourists and prostitutes while your here you know!

[Naam]

I couldn't wait to leave.

good riddance and don't come back!

[Naam]

...me and my steady university educated girlfriend

the one with the PhD in Quantum Physics?

[Cuban]

Did you know that Chon Buri University is less than an hour away from Pattaya and many students have been known to fund their education with evening employment oppotunities within the seaside resort?

[wilko]

Has anyone one this site actually done ANY real estate business or anything connected with foreign investment for the last 2 months?...or longer? My spies tell me that Pattaya is totally dead at the moment.

[monkfish]

MMM thats interesting!

I was under the impression that the Thai government itself was trying to discourage foreign investment by increasing fees for

foreign owned companies, tighter Visa and work permit laws. Seems that I was wrong and maybe its just bad policy!

[monkfish]

Did you know that Chon Buri University is less than an hour away from Pattaya and many students have been known to fund their education with evening employment oppotunities within the seaside resort?

I do believe they have special buses running just for these services.

[Seneque]

Let them buy in Pattaya, Phuket, Koh Samui ... and we will hear their endless whining about how they got screwed ... westerners are done, it is the turn of russians and middle eastern oil tourists to become the target ...

Funny how people come here and don't listen ... Funny how people come here and think they will change things ... Funny how people are so gullible !

[KKK]

So the property values in Pattaya have increased! This is all very well but they might increase more if people had some respect for their property owning neighbours. On the estate where I live (108 houses, mixed bungalows and townhouses) almost all of the 1 meter wide public pavement on each side of the streets has been turned illegally into flower boxes. Repairs to underground water pipes will now be difficult, reading of water and electric meters is also made difficult. Also a lot of the townhouses have illegally built rooms or roofs over their front yards not only destroying air flow up the street, but disposing of the rain water directly onto the public street without guttering. In the case of my neighbour his rain water falls on my electric meter. I told him (a renter) that when the meter fails due shorting caused by water I'll require him to pay for me to stay in Royal Cliff while I wait for the meter to be repaired/replaced. His answer "<deleted> off". Some people live in houses worth 1 million plus but have cars worth far more. If they have built on the car parking area they park in the street, sometimes double-parking, making it impossible for people to drive past. Most of the Thai occupiers have dogs. They insist on letting the dogs run free in the street to crap and piss wherever it likes while tormenting dogs like mine that never goes on the public street unless leashed in accordance with the law. The owners are just to lazy to take their dogs for a walk and should in my opinion be banned from owning a dog. These free-roaming dogs are shut-in the front yards of the houses only to bark like crazy when the garbage collectors call at around midnight 3 times a week waking everybody up including small children who have to be sent to school the next day. Garbage bins are left in the street 24/7 and because the footpath has been destroyed they on the street blocking access up and down the street. Some of the cars park on the outside of the bins i.e. about 2 feet from the kerb leaving even less width for cars to pass. Each house has a backyard which is where laundry should be hung. However most people hang their laundry out in the street again blocking the street width.

When I first moved in (20 years ago) the estate was occupied by middle-class Thais (army, navy, bank managers, gold shop owners, school teachers etc) and me (the only farang). Now I'm the only original occupier left. All the others sold and left. The new occupiers of those houses are low-class farang with their even lower-class girl-friends (ex-bar-whores).

Perhaps it too is time for me too leave..................

[monkfish]

So the property values in Pattaya have increased! This is all very well but they might increase more if people had some respect for their property owning neighbours. On the estate where I live (108 houses, mixed bungalows and townhouses) almost all of the 1 meter wide public pavement on each side of the streets has been turned illegally into flower boxes. Repairs to underground water pipes will now be difficult, reading of water and electric meters is also made difficult. Also a lot of the townhouses have illegally built rooms or roofs over their front yards not only destroying air flow up the street, but disposing of the rain water directly onto the public street without guttering. In the case of my neighbour his rain water falls on my electric meter. I told him (a renter) that when the meter fails due shorting caused by water I'll require him to pay for me to stay in Royal Cliff while I wait for the meter to be repaired/replaced. His answer "<deleted> off". Some people live in houses worth 1 million plus but have cars worth far more. If they have built on the car parking area they park in the street, sometimes double-parking, making it impossible for people to drive past. Most of the Thai occupiers have dogs. They insist on letting the dogs run free in the street to crap and piss wherever it likes while tormenting dogs like mine that never goes on the public street unless leashed in accordance with the law. The owners are just to lazy to take their dogs for a walk and should in my opinion be banned from owning a dog. These free-roaming dogs are shut-in the front yards of the houses only to bark like crazy when the garbage collectors call at around midnight 3 times a week waking everybody up including small children who have to be sent to school the next day. Garbage bins are left in the street 24/7 and because the footpath has been destroyed they on the street blocking access up and down the street. Some of the cars park on the outside of the bins i.e. about 2 feet from the kerb leaving even less width for cars to pass. Each house has a backyard which is where laundry should be hung. However most people hang their laundry out in the street again blocking the street width.

When I first moved in (20 years ago) the estate was occupied by middle-class Thais (army, navy, bank managers, gold shop owners, school teachers etc) and me (the only farang). Now I'm the only original occupier left. All the others sold and left. The new occupiers of those houses are low-class farang with their even lower-class girl-friends (ex-bar-whores).

Perhaps it too is time for me too leave..................

Yes this seems to be normal

If I walk around our estate I have to carry a stick to protect myself from mad stray dogs.

It also seems people are turning the roads into there garden as they have no garden left.

[joskydive]

I couldn't wait to leave.

good riddance and don't come back!

Lived in Pattaya for the last 10 years and wouldn't live anywhere else. There are other things to do besides going and checking out the sex tourists and prostitutes while your here you know!

My quote was this, so, why don't you go and don't come back until you learn to read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[flyfrog]

I have the same problems with the dogs, if you live in a middle-class Thai neighbourhood you deal with those people, making noises all night, motorbikes passing all night (do they never sleep?) Dog shit all over the place! Yesterday couldn't even park my big bike before my entree cause there were like 3-4 different dog shits everywhere, I talked to the lady from the dogs that I am tired of that shit, she replied, just clean it and it dissappear, what a logic? I tried pepper and it works (if it not rains of course) Now I am looking for a new neighbourhood where farangs live like me.

When I first moved in (20 years ago) the estate was occupied by middle-class Thais (army, navy, bank managers, gold shop owners, school teachers etc) and me (the only farang). Now I'm the only original occupier left. All the others sold and left. The new occupiers of those houses are low-class farang with their even lower-class girl-friends (ex-bar-whores).

Perhaps it too is time for me too leave..................

[wilko]

Isn't "middle-class Pattaya" an oxymoron?

[gymshark]

So the property values in Pattaya have increased! This is all very well but they might increase more if people had some respect for their property owning neighbours. On the estate where I live (108 houses, mixed bungalows and townhouses) almost all of the 1 meter wide public pavement on each side of the streets has been turned illegally into flower boxes. Repairs to underground water pipes will now be difficult, reading of water and electric meters is also made difficult. Also a lot of the townhouses have illegally built rooms or roofs over their front yards not only destroying air flow up the street, but disposing of the rain water directly onto the public street without guttering. In the case of my neighbour his rain water falls on my electric meter. I told him (a renter) that when the meter fails due shorting caused by water I'll require him to pay for me to stay in Royal Cliff while I wait for the meter to be repaired/replaced. His answer "<deleted> off". Some people live in houses worth 1 million plus but have cars worth far more. If they have built on the car parking area they park in the street, sometimes double-parking, making it impossible for people to drive past. Most of the Thai occupiers have dogs. They insist on letting the dogs run free in the street to crap and piss wherever it likes while tormenting dogs like mine that never goes on the public street unless leashed in accordance with the law. The owners are just to lazy to take their dogs for a walk and should in my opinion be banned from owning a dog. These free-roaming dogs are shut-in the front yards of the houses only to bark like crazy when the garbage collectors call at around midnight 3 times a week waking everybody up including small children who have to be sent to school the next day. Garbage bins are left in the street 24/7 and because the footpath has been destroyed they on the street blocking access up and down the street. Some of the cars park on the outside of the bins i.e. about 2 feet from the kerb leaving even less width for cars to pass. Each house has a backyard which is where laundry should be hung. However most people hang their laundry out in the street again blocking the street width.

When I first moved in (20 years ago) the estate was occupied by middle-class Thais (army, navy, bank managers, gold shop owners, school teachers etc) and me (the only farang). Now I'm the only original occupier left. All the others sold and left. The new occupiers of those houses are low-class farang with their even lower-class girl-friends (ex-bar-whores).

Perhaps it too is time for me too leave..................

Tough choice, Thai's who make noise 24/7 and let their dogs shit everywhere or farangs with their low class whores.

You can't choose your neighbours, the main reason I always rent so I can piss off if it gets bad, luckily we are in a good place at the moment, Pattaya, most people I know that live there freely admit it is going down the tubes, getting rougher and more and more low class.

[monkfish]

Anyway its not about class but simply respect, even the lower class can respect each other. Unless class is determined by respect and not how much money you earn?

Myself I am from a working class family and was thought respect at an early age. One of my neighbors is stinky rich and only use there house with pool for wild sex parties i think, probably so they don't disturb there own neighbors in there upper class area.