Police Crackdown On Foreign Operated Sex Bars

[ericthai]

Just where do you get your information? I live in Pattaya, know many bar owners, and ex-pats, even way more ladies working Bar. None that I have ever heard of are forced into sex slavery. I don't know of any brothels, just where are they? The typical bar girl in Pattaya works bar about 6 months then leaves Pattaya after earning enough money to live better back home. Or are married / sponsored by farang and no longer have to work bar. I'm wondering, have you ever been to Pattaya? Or even Thailand? I'm trying hard not to flame you for such an ignorant sounding post.

I thought of getting into the business, I looked at every bar for sale, or was even rumored to maybe sale for 8 months. I met a lot of bar owners, both farang, and Thai. I always make a point of meeting the bar owner of any establishment I go in. I can say with out a doubt that the farang bar owners in Pattaya pay the highest salary's, give the biggest incentives, the most days off, work the ladies the least hours. No lady is forced to work. In fact the most dreaded day of the month for a bar owner is payday. That is the day a lady will quit go go back to the village, or quit to go to a higher paying job. Thai's do not give two weeks notice, or one day for that matter. Farang bar owners hate to lose ladies, but are always happy for them, when one ends up marrying or becoming a permanent girlfriend of a customer. I've heard of Thai bar owners demanding money from the man like they are selling cattle. You should try getting your information from some place a little more factual, not someplace with an agenda.

Also, if you are going to quote the Bible, you should try reading it first. Eve gave the apple to Adam, not the other way around.

You didn't read a word of what I wrote, did you? Your second sentence (hilighted in bold, for your convenience) really says it all. And just where did I quote the Bible? The reference to Adam and Eve was in the quoted text from another person (i.e. not what I wrote, but what another person wrote).

If you think that prostitution in Thailand is limited to just what you see in the tourist-oriented areas of Pattaya, then you have a lot to learn. I'll give you a clue here, since you seem to need one. If you can't be bothered to read the whole article, then I suggest you start with chapter 3 on page 17. Note that this is not the same thing as the expat bars and bargirls that you are so familiar with.

You are right, I don't think he read what you wrote and YES he must only stay in Pattaya since he is unaware of all the brothels scattered throughout the small towns in Thailand for thai customers. Also, the statement that most girls stay in Pattaya for 6 months cracks me up, I guess you believe every girl working in the bar when she says she has only been there 1 month or just started. I don't come to Pattaya that often but I know girls that have been working in bars in pattaya for years.. Very few are get lucky and find a boy friend or husband. Yes some are smart and make money and get out, but not in 6 months....

[LPCustom69]

Update:

Thaivisa have this morning received the following email from Drew Noyes for publication:

To all the best websites and bars serving foreigners in Thailand:

Please note in the recent breaking news in the Pattaya Times newspaper and on www.pattaya-times.com (and maybe on your website) that this action detailed in the article "Police Crackdown on Foreign Owned Sex Bars" is scheduled to begin February 16 or before and targets gay bars, beer bars and gogos with bar fines in Pattaya and then possibly in the other cities.

Can someone please clarify this information. It mentions gay bars, and then beer bars, and gogos. Does that mean the crackdown is only going to be against GAY bars, GAY beer bars, and GAY gogos, or ALL such establishments? If it is only targeted against gay businesses, why? Also, the TIMING of this is very interesting, at the same time of the expected national crisis about the Thaksin money verdict.

This press release was done by a lawyer? Why such imprecise language which suggests some kind of anti-gay scapegoating by the police? If that is happening, why not state it MORE CLEARLY? Especially in these times of conflict here in Thailand, in an environment where the red shirt Thaksin (an ex-policeman) supporters are now associated with anti-gay oppression.

No, it's gay bars and beer bars and gogo bars. Hetero and gay.

[Jingthing]

No, it's gay bars and beer bars and gogo bars. Hetero and gay.

Are you the author of the press release? Are you qualified to make a definitive clarification? No and no? I thought so.

[sharecropper]

No, it's gay bars and beer bars and gogo bars. Hetero and gay.

Are you the author of the press release? Are you qualified to make a definitive clarification? No and no? I thought so.

Why do you keep raising this question on these threads? If he isn't qualified to interpret it, neither are you.

Go to Soi 9 and ask them if you want a definitive answer.

It's OK to have a discussion about this but try not to become obssessed by it. If you really want a proper answer, TV is not the place to be looking for it.

[Jingthing]

Why do you keep raising this question on these threads? If he isn't qualified to interpret it, neither are you.

Anyone can take a stab at interpreting it. That guy spoke as if he knew DEFINITELY what it meant. He does not, and either do I. I never said I did. I understand completely why most people are reading it that way. However, it can be read either way. Edited January 28, 2010 by Jingthing

[george]

This morning we got an email update from Drew Noyes, Managing director of Pattaya Times:

There is nothing to worry about if foreigner's read carefully. If you need to talk to me call me.

We all have to help each other. What Thais think about some of us reflects on all of us. It is important that foreigners are not seen as operating sex bars or traced as financial backers. There are significant rumblings in the Ministry of Culture and Ministry of Interior to have a "social consciousness."

There are other articles on the Pattaya Times newspaper website about the police and regulatory crackdowns months ago on karaoke bars and internet cafes.

Sincerely,

Drew Noyes

Managing Director

038.301.050

[sharecropper]

That's not an update it's a member's post portentiously masquerading as a press release/advertisement.

[coalminer]

If you think that prostitution in Thailand is limited to just what you see in the tourist-oriented areas of Pattaya, then you have a lot to learn. I'll give you a clue here, since you seem to need one. If you can't be bothered to read the whole article, then I suggest you start with chapter 3 on page 17. Note that this is not the same thing as the expat bars and bargirls that you are so familiar with.

I have read the article and it is a BIG JOKE.

As long as there is nobody to enforce what is written, it is all a waste of time.

Even the lizzard on my wall knows that in Thailand there is no police or anybody else who is going to enforce these rules.

TIT = MONEY TALKS

I see regularly in the city park, young girls who just turned up to be 12 year or younger, escorted by the parents and the whole family of good-for-nothing pimps, selling their virginity to the highest bidder (mostly Chinese).

All this happens UNDER THE EYES of the Police who are smiling.

Articles like this are only good to wipe your ass with.

If you want to see really any changes done, start by sacking THE WHOLE corrupt police force and the ....

[oevna]

If you think that prostitution in Thailand is limited to just what you see in the tourist-oriented areas of Pattaya, then you have a lot to learn. I'll give you a clue here, since you seem to need one. If you can't be bothered to read the whole article, then I suggest you start with chapter 3 on page 17. Note that this is not the same thing as the expat bars and bargirls that you are so familiar with.

I have read the article and it is a BIG JOKE.

...

I posted the link to that article as a reference, to inform another poster who responded to me that the problem exists (since he seemed to think that expat bars in Pattaya represent all forms of prostitution in Thailand). I wasn't claiming that the problem is being dealt with effectively.

[Jingthing]

Quoting Mr. Noyes --

It is important that foreigners are not seen as operating sex bars or traced as financial backers.

Is this supposed to mean it is OK for foreigners to be owners/backers as long as they are not "seen" to be so? Very interesting. In any case, doesn't this mean that right at this moment there are a number of nighlife venues for sale cheap cheap?

Edited January 28, 2010 by Jingthing

[Rimmer]

None sense post deleted

[MrWiggle]

Should that not be nonsense ?

[Bel Mondo]

Easy to get rid of 30% of all the bars and discos -- foreign or Thai operated -- without any "hint" of prejudice or favoritism ---

Know how?

Simply enforce the order demolishing the 101 illegal structures on the ocean side of Walking Street that were supposed to be demolished pursuant to court order over 10 years ago.

These structures should have been demolished a long, long, time ago --

[monty]

Easy to get rid of 30% of all the bars and discos -- foreign or Thai operated -- without any "hint" of prejudice or favoritism ---

Know how?

Simply enforce the order demolishing the 101 illegal structures on the ocean side of Walking Street that were supposed to be demolished pursuant to court order over 10 years ago.

These structures should have been demolished a long, long, time ago --

Assuming that only half of those structures are nightlife places (the rest are restaurants, shops and tailors), I seriously doubt that 50 bars/disco's constitutes 30% of Pattaya's nightlife.

Maybe 3%

[Rimmer]

UPDATE

French Bar Owner arrested on charges relating to offering sexual services at his Sunee Plaza Boy Bar

Over the weekend, we joined a team of officers from the Police Region 2 Child and Women Protection Unit who, acting on arrest warrant number 76/2553 dated 27th January 2010, conducted a raid of a room above the Silom Boy Bar located in Soi Sunee Plaza, an area notorious for underage sex workers. The room was occupied by the bar owner, Mr. Andre Alexandra Janvier aged 61 from France. The warrant stated that he is accused of providing a boy aged 15 to a customer at the bar for the purpose of engaging in sexual activities. He is also facing a number of other charges including working without a work permit and knowingly employing underage boys in his bar. This is the second time Mr. Janvier has been arrested on similar charges, the last time was in 2009 and that case is still pending. Before Mr. Janvier was forced to close two bars because of problems with the Police and this new bar, the Silom Bar is his latest venture which is now set to be shut down. This new case will be heard in court in due course.

www.pattayaone.net

[newsfooter][/newsfooter]

2010-02-02

[dude007]

Lol, another 'crackdown' but what will happen when the so called paper trail leads ot a police officer, local government official or some members of the Thai elite class?

It's just too much on a Friday afternoon to contemplate, think I'll slip down to Nana.

Right: another hit on the nail's head! It's sure that this paper trail will lead to there!

But the bottom line is that it's time to raise the tea-money for the crack-downers... (or how can you call them: the men in brown). This is the first step. Result: bar fines will go up and go-go bar-girls will be dressed in thai traditional dresses. Copper poles will be replaced by rice baskets. The pimp business has a bright future again and most of the things will from now on happen behind the curtains. The biggest trump of Pattaya business (sex) is now challenged and they expect in the aftermath of this crack-down to catch the under-cover criminals from East Europe or the middle east by setting up an interpol office in Pattaya.

In brief: they will never learn! RULE ONE: never cut the branch on which you are sitting!

[sharecropper]

Note, despite similarities to the first arrest, this is a SECOND ARREST.

Both are French guys with gay bars in Sunee Plaza bars.

Cue Jingthing's observations?

[JSixpack]

Lol, another 'crackdown' but what will happen when the so called paper trail leads ot a police officer, local government official or some members of the Thai elite class?

It's just too much on a Friday afternoon to contemplate, think I'll slip down to Nana.

Right: another hit on the nail's head! It's sure that this paper trail will lead to there!

But the bottom line is that it's time to raise the tea-money for the crack-downers... (or how can you call them: the men in brown). This is the first step. Result: bar fines will go up and go-go bar-girls will be dressed in thai traditional dresses. Copper poles will be replaced by rice baskets. The pimp business has a bright future again and most of the things will from now on happen behind the curtains. The biggest trump of Pattaya business (sex) is now challenged and they expect in the aftermath of this crack-down to catch the under-cover criminals from East Europe or the middle east by setting up an interpol office in Pattaya.

In brief: they will never learn! RULE ONE: never cut the branch on which you are sitting!

Armchair experts such as yourselves should realize there will be no such "paper trail." Such naivete, tsk, tsk.

Edited February 3, 2010 by JSixpack

[Rimmer]

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[Rimmer]

UPDATE

Crackdown on Foreigner Owned Sex Businesses Continues

Further raids on businesses that provide sexual services that are owned by foreigners in Pattaya have continued. Among the latest businesses that have been caught up in the recent raids are popular massage parlours that have ladies sitting behind glass with numbers attatched to their colorful outfts.

One massage parlour was fned. It was run by a Thai national and her European boyfriend and has been operating for a number of years. It follows other raids that closed a Sunee Plaza bar and resulted in the arrest of French national Jean Eric Lopez. The raids are expected to continue for some time as law enforcement targets foreign owned businesses that may provide sexual services. Karaoke bars were also raided by immigration police and foreigners from Laos were detained.

-- Pattaya Times

2010-02-22

[newsfooter][/newsfooter]

[sharecropper]

The raids are expected to continue for some time as law enforcement targets foreign owned businesses that may provide sexual services

As opposed to Thai-owned ones?!

[britmaveric]

^Thai(s) are funny people..

[NanLaew]

The UN article stated that 5% of underage prostitutes are males.

A reasonable estimate places sexually oriented businesses owned by foreigners at 5%.

Therefore both are a whole lot easier to target than the 95% Thai-owned establishments that are selling the 95% underage female prostitutes.

[basjke]

UPDATE

Crackdown on Foreigner Owned Sex Businesses Continues

Further raids on businesses that provide sexual services that are owned by foreigners in Pattaya have continued. Among the latest businesses that have been caught up in the recent raids are popular massage parlours that have ladies sitting behind glass with numbers attatched to their colorful outfts.

One massage parlour was fned. It was run by a Thai national and her European boyfriend and has been operating for a number of years. It follows other raids that closed a Sunee Plaza bar and resulted in the arrest of French national Jean Eric Lopez. The raids are expected to continue for some time as law enforcement targets foreign owned businesses that may provide sexual services. Karaoke bars were also raided by immigration police and foreigners from Laos were detained.

-- Pattaya Times

2010-02-22

[newsfooter][/newsfooter]

Why does TV keep posting articles from Pattaya Times in the news section?Everything that newspaper publishes belongs in the BS subforum.

[sharecropper]

Why does TV keep posting articles from Pattaya Times in the news section?Everything that newspaper publishes belongs in the BS subforum.

Don't flatter it. It should be the Advertising and Promotions section.