You, on the other hand, seem to have gotten a taste of living in Thailand and envy our ability to live here full time and put the frustrations of living back there behind us. Your seeming anger would be better directed at yourself, rather than those of us that have been able to become independent enough to live where we wish.

Silly boy...I have said before I choose to live where I live.

I have homes in multiple places & choose to stay in the US

No anger here....

I just get tired of ugly americans giving the rest of us a bad name.

Kow Jai?

Your as retro as retro can be.

The three stooges here who constantly refer to anyone outside of their small view/opinions as liberals...That is the worse. Like Archie Bunkers x10

I cant stand a bleeding heart liberal but the only thing worse is the died in the wool old timers like you folks who can only play the same old recording over & over from a time long gone by. Based in Fear & Hatred.

As for telling you how it is...why?? You pretend to have the ability to understand?

We have been through this before.

As I told the other musketeer/stooge...I just did not want the English gent to think you three represent anything that your not...

Mr. Flying:

I really didn't expect you to give us any answers but you seem to have exceeded even my wildest expectations about providing us with nothing. However, I will try to make some sense from your ravings:

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"Silly boy...I have said before I choose to live where I live."

Your words, yet you seem to resent us making the same choice to live where we choose to live. Somewhat hypocritical on your part.

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"I just get tired of ugly americans giving the rest of us a bad name."

What makes you presume we are the stereotypical "ugly Americans"? Ulysses is a business owner in Chiang Mai, Koheesti is employed in Dubai and I am living a quiet life in a small village in Isaan.

While I cannot speak for the others, I do not drink, smoke or chase women. There are no local bars and I don't like a karaoke. My yard is well tended, my cars and motorcycles are clean and maintained. I wear shorts down to the knees, T-shirts and sandals (without black socks). I have no tattoos and do still sport a full head of hair and mouth full of teeth. I am about 10 kilos over my weight when I was in my 20's. If I owed any money, my bills would be current and up to date. I have paid all my taxes over the 50+ years of my working career and owe absolutely nothing to the USG. If/when I might need services from the US State Department, I pony up the cost of $30.00 for a notary fee and $90.00 for a ten year passport. I served as an unpaid Warden for the State Department from 1989 to 2008 so I have tried to be a good steward for our government. I donate to the Temple, through my wife, and often bring items to the projects held there. In short, I do believe you would find I am not an "ugly American" at all. I do believe UG and Koheesti will not be considered the Ugly Americans you have branded us all with.

Having said all this, if, in your eyes, an "ugly American" is somebody that defends the US and, in particular, the US Military, then I suppose you can paint me with your broad brush. I have worked with the US Military over the years and I know their capabilities and the sacrifices they make for you and me and I resent it when somebody trashes them as a whole.

So, to recap, I defend my country, my military and myself against people like you that seem to think they are my better. You are not.

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"As for telling you how it is...why?? You pretend to have the ability to understand?

We have been through this before."

As I explained in my previous post (which you bothered to delete from your quote), I have a son and daughter living in the US and they seem quite happy. I simply desired to get some specific reasons why you are so troubled with living there and why it is so difficult for you. Since the US is your home of choice, it would seem you have made the wrong choice if it is so much trouble for you.

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"As I told the other musketeer/stooge...I just did not want the English gent to think you three represent anything that your not..."

My comment to this rather inane statement is..."Who died and left you in charge?"

Let the "English gent" decide for himself what we represent. Why is it your job to do so?

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If you want to have a serious discussion, then simply answer my questions in the post you quoted (but didn't quite quote).

Either way, not very representative of Americans

Man not too bright....

Perhaps it would be easier for you to know someone can be born anywhere & if both parents are US citizens so is the child. Dont strain yourself... Imagine your parents take a vacation for your birthday

Mr. Flying:

Talking about being bright....

Perhaps it would be easier for you to know someone can be born anywhere and if ONLY ONE PARENT IS A US CITIZEN so is the child.

There are some additional requirements but I am sure you know all about them as well. Right????

What makes you presume we are the stereotypical "ugly Americans"?

Judge a tree by its fruit... Sorry if my answers are not long enough for you.Many times I do not bother to read your of K's whole post. I really rather not even go round & round with you 3...well actually one musketeer has been on ignore for awhile now.So empty is his posts.

As I said before I only replied because I saw the English gents post.

It matter not how you tend your lawns, where you work etc,,,I never claimed you were a bad person per se'

The problem I have is with the sweeping generalizations regarding what the rest of the world deserves at the hands of the Military complex. Or the impression that the general populaces here in the actual USA stands behind it.

The (phrase)ugly Americans are those usually living outside America & sadly give the world the impression that we are all war mongers he11 bent on chasing terrorist under every bed & too bad for those that happen to be sleeping in those beds or caught in the cross fire.

There is more but that should suffice if not......... mai dee loi consider it ravings..

There is defending the country as you say & defending the country as I say...The two are not alike.

Perhaps it would be easier for you to know someone can be born anywhere and if ONLY ONE PARENT IS A US CITIZEN so is the child.

Please try to comprehend I was breaking it down to a simple unquestionable fact for your brother Mr K.

That fact was that I was always a US citizen. kow jai mai?

PS: I now return you to your topic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlElXOJV4CA

god bless America - they need all the self help they can get.
Ashamed to be an anglo saxon cousin - thank god my asian streak is a saving grace.

only one vid per post.. yawn.

What makes you presume we are the stereotypical "ugly Americans"?

Judge a tree by its fruit... Sorry if my answers are not long enough for you.Many times I do not bother to read your of K's whole post. I really rather not even go round & round with you 3...well actually one musketeer has been on ignore for awhile now.So empty is his posts.

As I said before I only replied because I saw the English gents post.

It matter not how you tend your lawns, where you work etc,,,I never claimed you were a bad person per se'

The problem I have is with the sweeping generalizations regarding what the rest of the world deserves at the hands of the Military complex. Or the impression that the general populaces here in the actual USA stands behind it.

The (phrase)ugly Americans are those usually living outside America & sadly give the world the impression that we are all war mongers he11 bent on chasing terrorist under every bed & too bad for those that happen to be sleeping in those beds or caught in the cross fire.

There is more but that should suffice if not......... mai dee loi consider it ravings..

There is defending the country as you say & defending the country as I say...The two are not alike.

I don't know why I bother with you since you admit you don't read my posts. The difference between you and me is, apparently, I do read your posts.

Here is the Wikipedia definition of the term "Ugly American".

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Ugly American

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ugly American is an epithet used to refer to perceptions of loud, arrogant, demeaning, thoughtless and ethnocentric behavior of American citizens mainly abroad, but also at home.[1][2][3][4][5][6] Although the term is usually associated with or applied to travelers and tourists, it also applies to US corporate businesses in the international arena.

There is more....

The Encarta dictionary defines "Ugly American" as: stereotypical offensive American: a loud, boorish, nationalistic American, especially one traveling abroad, who is regarded as conforming to a stereotype that gives Americans a bad reputation.[12] In contrast, Dictionary.com defines "the Ugly American" as: Pejorative term for Americans traveling or living abroad who remain ignorant of local culture and judge everything by American standards.[13]

and then....

In the scientific fields, the term has been widely used by the international community for the failure by the US to adopt the metric system.[23][24][25] Along with Liberia in Africa and Burma in Asia, the US is one of only three countries in the world that has not adopted or swapped to the metric system.[26][27]

In the book by the same name, there is this definition as well....

In the book, a fictional Burmese journalist wrote, "For some reason, the people I meet in my country are not the same as the ones I knew in the United States. A mysterious change seems to come over Americans when they go to a foreign land. They isolate themselves socially. They live pretentiously. They're loud and ostentatious. Perhaps they're frightened and defensive, or maybe they're not properly trained and make mistakes out of ignorance."[38]

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Can you tell me which of the descriptions the three of us fall under?

I see a bunch of black with some red arrows and some guy moving around. Maybe Reuters should doctor this up a bit before trying to use it for propaganda purposes.

Perhaps it would be easier for you to know someone can be born anywhere and if ONLY ONE PARENT IS A US CITIZEN so is the child.

Please try to comprehend I was breaking it down to a simple unquestionable fact for your brother Mr K.

That fact was that I was always a US citizen. kow jai mai?

PS: I now return you to your topic

Your simple unquestionable fact was a simple unquestionable mistake.

I have always been a US citizen as well. So what?

only one vid per post.. yawn.

All that fact & common sense will not go over well with some

Typically you quote one side.

I think that that we are all aware that the US has also had friendly fire incidents, but the whole point of the article is that every country with modern arms does and the British have a lot to answer for if they want to point fingers at anyone else - written by an Englishman by the way. Friendly fire is not something that can be avoided in modern warfare.

i read the article last night and there seemed to be a lot more incidents involving us forces either inflicting on their own or other allied forces

my word 3 septics against 1 englishman.

and in all that time you havent put forward one statement to back up your arguments.

The pot calling the kettle black once again. You wanted to claim that only you truly understand the situation until chuckd put a stop to that. You have your opinion like a whole multitude of other a-holes and very little to back it up.

and nearly 1 and a half days of posting and you still havent brought anything to the table

Apologies for getting off-off topic here...

Typically you quote one side.

I think that that we are all aware that the US has also had friendly fire incidents, but the whole point of the article is that every country with modern arms does and the British have a lot to answer for if they want to point fingers at anyone else - written by an Englishman by the way. Friendly fire is not something that can be avoided in modern warfare.

i read the article last night and there seemed to be a lot more incidents involving us forces either inflicting on their own or other allied forces

Could that have something to do with the much larger size of the US armed forces?

my word 3 septics against 1 englishman.

and in all that time you havent put forward one statement to back up your arguments.

The pot calling the kettle black once again. You wanted to claim that only you truly understand the situation until chuckd put a stop to that. .

and nearly 1 and a half days of posting and you still havent brought anything to the table

Do you not realize that is something that you are very guilty of as well? Why even bother to mention it?

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Typically you quote one side.

I think that that we are all aware that the US has also had friendly fire incidents, but the whole point of the article is that every country with modern arms does and the British have a lot to answer for if they want to point fingers at anyone else - written by an Englishman by the way. Friendly fire is not something that can be avoided in modern warfare.

i read the article last night and there seemed to be a lot more incidents involving us forces either inflicting on their own or other allied forces

Could that have something to do with the much larger size of the US armed forces?

read the article and then read my post above.

your telling me that your own armed forces cant even pick out one of their own?

on more than more occasion, i might add.

still only a few hours to go until we give you good old stuffing in the world cup...

How's that again?

The U.S. World Cup Team did OK for a bunch of Yanks playing a sport that we are not all that interested in

It looks like you need to read the article. The whole point is that friendly fire incidents are impossible to avoid in modern warfare and it is written by a Brit. That is why I posted it. Now how about some of those worthwhile posts you keep accusing everyone else of not providing.

In contrast to today's risk-averse, where-there's-a-blame-there's-a-claim society, one that believes – as witnessed in Vietnam in the 1960s and Yugoslavia in 1999 – that you defeat an enemy principally by bombing from the air without incurring any casualties, there was previously the sensible appreciation that if you give men lethal weapons and machinery, accidents will happen.

still only a few hours to go until we give you good old stuffing in the world cup...

How's that again?

The U.S. World Cup Team did OK for a bunch of Yanks playing a sport that we are not all that interested in

It looks like you need to read the article. The whole point is that friendly fire incidents are impossible to avoid in modern warfare and it is written by a Brit. That is why I posted it. Now how about some of those worthwhile posts you keep accusing everyone else of not providing.

where do you want to start? it seems after all you set the guideline out on this subject and anyone who disagrees with you is wrong.

how about israelie prime ministers that are shot dead by their own countrymen for being to liberally minded. yitzshak rabin, a well respected and a highly decorated man whilst serving in the IDF.

or ariel sharon maybe!

what about israelie settlers that disregard their own government and decide to build homes in the occupied territories of the west bank.

mossad ops!

why is it that everyone turns a blind eye to the fact that israel has its own nuclear power program set up in the negev desert at the dimona nulcear power plant. yet if countries like iran or iraq set up their own nuclear programme everyone goes ape shit.

there hows that for starters!

You call that PC finger-pointing worthwhile? We have been over all these topics many times and they are not any more earth shattering than the crimes and self-defeating stupidity of the Palestinians and other Jew-hating Arabs that you completely ignore. I can list plenty of terrible incidents that they have been involved in that your type never mention.

Every country on Earth is corrupt and self serving and screws up on a regular basis. Just one example would be the British government which has plenty to answer for including killing innocent civilians by mistake. Why don't you whinge and whine about that?

You call that PC finger-pointing worthwhile? We have been over all these topics many times and they are not any more earth shattering than the crimes and self-defeating stupidity of the Palestinians and other Jew-hating Arabs that you completely ignore. I can list plenty of terrible incidents that they have been involved in that your type never mention.

Every country on Earth is corrupt and self serving and screws up on a regular basis. Just one example would be the British government which has plenty to answer for including killing innocent civilians by mistake. Why don't you whinge and whine about that?

as i thought!

you asked me to put something on the table, and i did!

you on the other hand and as per usually fanny and fart around the subject. whilst choosing not to contribute. instead you go off on one of your little tangents and start flaming.

you dont have a leg to stand on, because you have just proved to everyone that you dont have anything to back your rants up!

like i said, reading or listening too some biased news reports. isnt the same thing as actually spending some time in the region talked about, is it?

I said something "worthwhile" and you resort to the typical whinging and mudslinging that you specialize in - what a waste of time. You have pretty much proved that visiting the Middle East - if you are even being honest about that - and believing a bunch of nonsensical stereotypes and hateful lies is about the extent of your so called  "expertise". 

Apologies for getting off-off topic here...

why is it that everyone turns a blind eye to the fact that israel has its own nuclear power program set up in the negev desert at the dimona nulcear power plant. yet if countries like iran or iraq set up their own nuclear programme everyone goes ape shit.

The FACT is, Israel's neighbors are not worried about Israel nuking them. Arab countries are more worried about other Arabs and the Iranians than they are the Israelis attacking them. Saddam and Iran either invaded their neighbors, exported terrorism, or made loud threats. Israel has not done any of that despite having a questionable record as far as what they do to the Palestinians.

I said something "worthwhile" and you resort to the typical whinging and mudslinging that you specialize in - what a waste of time. You have pretty much proved that visiting the Middle East - if you are even being honest about that - and believing a bunch of nonsensical stereotypes and hateful lies is about the extent of your so called "expertise".

oh, you want proof now! o.k.

kibbutz ruhama.

d.n. hof ashkelon.

79180 israel.

situated near the small town of sderot.

in between ashkelon and beer sheva.

4 years plus!

btw, i havent done any mudslinging or whinging.

i just stated a FACT!

you havent brought anything to the table and nothing to back your arguments up.

exported terrorism, Israel has not done any of that

Mossad Assination squad( Should read 'Assassination'

I am just answering the above assertion, can't wait for Ugg's response,

exported terrorism, Israel has not done any of that

Mossad Assination squad( Should read 'Assassination'

I am just answering the above assertion, can't wait for Ugg's response,

True, they do assassinations (recently here in Dubai) - but that's different from terrorism.

exported terrorism, Israel has not done any of that

Mossad Assination squad( Should read 'Assassination'

I am just answering the above assertion, can't wait for Ugg's response,

True, they do assassinations (recently here in Dubai) - but that's different from terrorism.

how about this then!

and against americans no less. and the presenter of the clip is a former member of the house of representatives. mind you being from hollywood, i guess that would make him a democrat, wright! that wouldnt do, would it.

i can find more if youd like

exported terrorism, Israel has not done any of that

Mossad Assination squad( Should read 'Assassination'

I am just answering the above assertion, can't wait for Ugg's response,

True, they do assassinations (recently here in Dubai) - but that's different from terrorism.

edit double post

True, they do assassinations (recently here in Dubai) - but that's different from terrorism.

And thats me out of this thread.

Because it is all down to your already preconceived right and wrongs, one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, assassination is differient to terrorism.

All about your point of view or how you see it, Is Israel Right, are the Palestinians correct in their protestations, look at the facts, if everyone is so blind that they cannot see, or an eye for an eye is blatently wrong, because everybody ends up blind.

It is your choice, beat the same old drum, beat it so loud you believe no one is can hear anything else,