3. anything by noam chomsky

"noam chomsky" That kind of says it all. 

I have read plenty about the situation, including some of these books,  and talked to many people who have spent plenty of time in the Middle East and who would disagree with you 100%.

There are plenty of bigots - not saying that you are one -  who grew up in the Southern part of the US who think their biases are perfectly justified. I'm afraid that living somewhere does not make your opinion any more valid than anyone else. 

The next time you try and convince us all that 25 years living in San Francisco makes you an expert on all things gay I'll remind you of the above...

A much better example would be the recent  demonstrations in Bangkok. Many of us live in Thailand, and we are not Thai, but our opinions were very different from each other.

3. anything by noam chomsky

"noam chomsky" That kind of says it all.

I have read plenty about the situation, including some of these books, and talked to many people who have spent plenty of time in the Middle East and who would disagree with you 100%.

There are plenty of bigots - not saying that you are one - who grew up in the Southern part of the US who think their biases are perfectly justified. I'm afraid that living somewhere does not make your opinion any more valid than anyone else.

talked to who? and where did they come from?

so i guess youve never set foot in the holy land then.

I have talked to a good number of people who lived in the Middle East who support the Jews and a good number who support the Muslims and they were from all over the place. Living there does not not seem to give one any special powers in figuring the whole mess out.

By the way, I have never seen a Dinosaur either, but that does not mean that they never walked the Earth.

i am interested to know how many of you that have taken the time to add on this topic, have actually spent any time at all in the middle east.

Will over 30 years in Iran, Saudi Arabia and brief stints in most of the other ME countries qualify me for your exclusive club?

i am interested to know how many of you that have taken the time to add on this topic, have actually spent any time at all in the middle east.

Will over 30 years in Iran, Saudi Arabia and brief stints in most of the other ME countries qualify me for your exclusive club?

oooohh, touchy this morning some of you, hey!

nobody likes someone to question the motives of such actions, if it hits the wrong nerve.

Apparent execution by Israeli soldiers on board Mavi Marmara

Video broadcast by Turkey's Cihan News Agency appears to show two Israeli soldiers on board the Mavi Marmara on May 31, 2010, kicking and then shooting one of the activists. The broadcaster identifies the victim as Furkan Dogan, a nineteen year old Turkish young man who was also a US citizen. An autopsy has already revealed that Dogan was shot five times from less that 45cm in the face, the back of the head, twice in the leg and once in the back.

I thought the commandos took all the cameras?

i am interested to know how many of you that have taken the time to add on this topic, have actually spent any time at all in the middle east.

Will over 30 years in Iran, Saudi Arabia and brief stints in most of the other ME countries qualify me for your exclusive club?

I live in Dubai. Very different from most other places in the ME that's for sure.

i am interested to know how many of you that have taken the time to add on this topic, have actually spent any time at all in the middle east.

Will over 30 years in Iran, Saudi Arabia and brief stints in most of the other ME countries qualify me for your exclusive club?

I live in Dubai. Very different from most other places in the ME that's for sure.

I use to live on Sheikh Zayed Road, Dubai, a few years ago and it was vastly different to other parts of the middle east that Ive had the misfortune to visit

i am interested to know how many of you that have taken the time to add on this topic, have actually spent any time at all in the middle east.

Will over 30 years in Iran, Saudi Arabia and brief stints in most of the other ME countries qualify me for your exclusive club?

oooohh, touchy this morning some of you, hey!

nobody likes someone to question the motives of such actions, if it hits the wrong nerve.

Not touchy at all. You asked the question. I answered it.

However, it does seem as though I hit the wrong nerve with you.

i am interested to know how many of you that have taken the time to add on this topic, have actually spent any time at all in the middle east.

Will over 30 years in Iran, Saudi Arabia and brief stints in most of the other ME countries qualify me for your exclusive club?

oooohh, touchy this morning some of you, hey!

nobody likes someone to question the motives of such actions, if it hits the wrong nerve.

Not touchy at all. You asked the question. I answered it.

However, it does seem as though I hit the wrong nerve with you.

not at all on my part, and i dont profess to being someone who belongs to an "exclusive club" as you put it.

all i was saying is that like a lot of so called experts on the subject, their are those that like to pass judgement without having the slightest idea of what the middle east conflict is all about.

ie. never having set foot in a middle eastern country and take what they are told as being the gospel truth.

take for example the invasion of iraq, on the basis of them having WMD. who do you think fed the u.s.their intelligence?

i am interested to know how many of you that have taken the time to add on this topic, have actually spent any time at all in the middle east.

Will over 30 years in Iran, Saudi Arabia and brief stints in most of the other ME countries qualify me for your exclusive club?

oooohh, touchy this morning some of you, hey!

nobody likes someone to question the motives of such actions, if it hits the wrong nerve.

Not touchy at all. You asked the question. I answered it.

However, it does seem as though I hit the wrong nerve with you.

not at all on my part, and i dont profess to being someone who belongs to an "exclusive club" as you put it.

all i was saying is that like a lot of so called experts on the subject, their are those that like to pass judgement without having the slightest idea of what the middle east conflict is all about.

ie. never having set foot in a middle eastern country and take what they are told as being the gospel truth.

take for example the invasion of iraq, on the basis of them having WMD. who do you think fed the u.s.their intelligence?

i am interested to know how many of you that have taken the time to add on this topic, have actually spent any time at all in the middle east.

Will over 30 years in Iran, Saudi Arabia and brief stints in most of the other ME countries qualify me for your exclusive club?

oooohh, touchy this morning some of you, hey!

nobody likes someone to question the motives of such actions, if it hits the wrong nerve.

Not touchy at all. You asked the question. I answered it.

However, it does seem as though I hit the wrong nerve with you.

not at all on my part, and i dont profess to being someone who belongs to an "exclusive club" as you put it.

all i was saying is that like a lot of so called experts on the subject, their are those that like to pass judgement without having the slightest idea of what the middle east conflict is all about.

ie. never having set foot in a middle eastern country and take what they are told as being the gospel truth.

take for example the invasion of iraq, on the basis of them having WMD. who do you think fed the u.s.their intelligence?

i am interested to know how many of you that have taken the time to add on this topic, have actually spent any time at all in the middle east.

Will over 30 years in Iran, Saudi Arabia and brief stints in most of the other ME countries qualify me for your exclusive club?

oooohh, touchy this morning some of you, hey!

nobody likes someone to question the motives of such actions, if it hits the wrong nerve.

Not touchy at all. You asked the question. I answered it.

However, it does seem as though I hit the wrong nerve with you.

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Will over 30 years in Iran, Saudi Arabia and brief stints in most of the other ME countries qualify me for your exclusive club?

oooohh, touchy this morning some of you, hey!

nobody likes someone to question the motives of such actions, if it hits the wrong nerve.

Not touchy at all. You asked the question. I answered it.

However, it does seem as though I hit the wrong nerve with you.

not at all on my part, and i dont profess to being someone who belongs to an "exclusive club" as you put it.

all i was saying is that like a lot of so called experts on the subject, their are those that like to pass judgement without having the slightest idea of what the middle east conflict is all about.

ie. never having set foot in a middle eastern country and take what they are told as being the gospel truth.

take for example the invasion of iraq, on the basis of them having WMD. who do you think fed the u.s.their intelligence?

Why don't you tell us what the Middle East conflict is all about, based on your grass roots experience. I would find it very enlightening to hear your perspective on the issue.

I have no idea who, specifically fed the erroneous information on WMDs, other than Saddam Hussein. He covered up his WMD situation believing his payments to the Russians, Chinese, UN and various French and British politicians from his Oil for Food program would keep the wolves from the door. He was wrong, it seems.

Let me ask somebody that has been there how you would feel, living in Israel or Palestine, knowing that Syria, Iraq and a nuclear Iran were all lined up in a pretty row calling for you to be wiped off the face of the earth?

I wouldn't think it would be a very comforting thought at bedtime each night. What think you?

i dont profess to being someone who belongs to an "exclusive club" as you put it.

 

Of course you do. You were trying to insinuate that only you know what is really going on because you have visited the Middle East, but perhaps chuckd feels that only someone who was there for 30 years knows the real scoop. 

There are many scientists that know much more about the moon than Neil Armstrong even though they have never been there. 

Apparent execution by Israeli soldiers on board Mavi Marmara

Video broadcast by Turkey's Cihan News Agency appears to show two Israeli soldiers on board the Mavi Marmara on May 31, 2010, kicking and then shooting one of the activists. The broadcaster identifies the victim as Furkan Dogan, a nineteen year old Turkish young man who was also a US citizen. An autopsy has already revealed that Dogan was shot five times from less that 45cm in the face, the back of the head, twice in the leg and once in the back.

I thought the commandos took all the cameras?

The "confiscated" footage must be courtesy of Reuters. They are very handy with manipulating digital images.

new footage Warning: contains graphic scenes

have a close look at the orange vests the activists are wearing;

Benjamin Netanyahu says

Take for instance the bulky orange boxes that many of the passengers are shown wearing over their shoulders. To the untrained eye, these appear to be life jackets, and at one point, in fact, the video shows a large white chest on the deck of the ship labelled LIFE JACKETS 36 PCS. But Israeli eyes can see these would-be "life jackets" for what they truly are: suicide vests. Our own intelligence agents have confirmed to us that the men and women on the Mavi Marmara aimed to get as close as they could to Tel Aviv, jump in the water, detonate their vests, and thus generate a tidal wave that would overwhelm our beautiful city on the sea.

My link

He goes on

And one last thing about the video. The fact that only Israeli eyes can see what it truly reveals proves the folly of launching an international investigation of this unprovoked attack on Israel. Whether or not the evidence is visual or verbal, video or spoken testimony, no one but an Israeli can judge the evidence properly

so if youre not an Israeli, you cant see what they can see? Have I got that right?

and "this unprovoked attack on Israel" <deleted>?

looks like I dont have a trained Israeli eye!

And again it must be stressed, the flotilla had no intention of going to Israel, it was heading towards Gaza and was intercepted in international waters.

Looks like Israel has the same intel agents as Bush/Cheney/Powell with the proof of WMDs!

and they better build a huge seawall for the tidal waves coming their way!!!

new footage Warning: contains graphic scenes

have a close look at the orange vests the activists are wearing;

Benjamin Netanyahu says

Take for instance the bulky orange boxes that many of the passengers are shown wearing over their shoulders. To the untrained eye, these appear to be life jackets, and at one point, in fact, the video shows a large white chest on the deck of the ship labelled LIFE JACKETS 36 PCS. But Israeli eyes can see these would-be "life jackets" for what they truly are: suicide vests. Our own intelligence agents have confirmed to us that the men and women on the Mavi Marmara aimed to get as close as they could to Tel Aviv, jump in the water, detonate their vests, and thus generate a tidal wave that would overwhelm our beautiful city on the sea.

My link

looks like I dont have a trained Israeli eye!

And again it must be stressed, the flotilla had no intention of going to Israel, it was heading towards Gaza and was intercepted in international waters.

Looks like Israel has the same intel agents as Bush/Cheney/Powell with the proof of WMDs!

and they better build a huge seawall for the tidal waves coming their way!!!

I can't think of a better plan than gathering as many of these "activists" as possible and letting them blow themselves up in the sea. OK, I'll try anyway...How about tie them together with bales of hay shoved in and sticking out of their posteriors and dragged behind ships criss-crossing the Gulf of Mexico to help soak up all that oil? It may not work but at least they would be more useful than they are now.

One of the organizers of the "peace" flotilla was Bernardine Dohrn of Weather Underground fame. A group of violent radicals were behind the whole fiasco.

all i was saying is that like a lot of so called experts on the subject, their are those that like to pass judgement without having the slightest idea of what the middle east conflict is all about.

You seem to fit this profile as much as anyone else. 

ulysses g.

whats the point in trying to explain, when people hear what they want to hear, think what they want to think, take things out of context and live in their own little blinkered bubble worlds.

like i said before, i had refrained from passing comment for so long, because its always the same outcome when trying to put an argument forward.(kind of like how most palestinians must feel) you dont want to hear the other side of the story. is it that you may have to concede that you may be wrong about something. funny, you would have thought being an american youd be getting used to getting things wrong by now!

oh btw, are you talking about those people that sleep in beds, in houses that are built on land within the occupied territories of the west bank.

edit double post

new footage Warning: contains graphic scenes

have a close look at the orange vests the activists are wearing;

Benjamin Netanyahu says

Take for instance the bulky orange boxes that many of the passengers are shown wearing over their shoulders. To the untrained eye, these appear to be life jackets, and at one point, in fact, the video shows a large white chest on the deck of the ship labelled LIFE JACKETS 36 PCS. But Israeli eyes can see these would-be "life jackets" for what they truly are: suicide vests. Our own intelligence agents have confirmed to us that the men and women on the Mavi Marmara aimed to get as close as they could to Tel Aviv, jump in the water, detonate their vests, and thus generate a tidal wave that would overwhelm our beautiful city on the sea.

My link

looks like I dont have a trained Israeli eye!

And again it must be stressed, the flotilla had no intention of going to Israel, it was heading towards Gaza and was intercepted in international waters.

Looks like Israel has the same intel agents as Bush/Cheney/Powell with the proof of WMDs!

and they better build a huge seawall for the tidal waves coming their way!!!

I can't think of a better plan than gathering as many of these "activists" as possible and letting them blow themselves up in the sea. OK, I'll try anyway...How about tie them together with bales of hay shoved in and sticking out of their posteriors and dragged behind ships criss-crossing the Gulf of Mexico to help soak up all that oil? It may not work but at least they would be more useful than they are now.

oooohh, touchy this morning some of you, hey!

Yes, some people are touchy. Why don't you just say what you mean. Anyone who does not agree with your feelings, knows nothing about anything.

you dont want to hear the other side of the story.

I have been "hearing" the other side of the story for many years - much of it on Thai Visa.

ulysses g.

whats the point in trying to explain, when people hear what they want to hear, think what they want to think, take things out of context and live in their own little blinkered bubble worlds.

like i said before, i had refrained from passing comment for so long, because its always the same outcome when trying to put an argument forward.(kind of like how most palestinians must feel) you dont want to hear the other side of the story. is it that you may have to concede that you may be wrong about something. funny, you would have thought being an american youd be getting used to getting things wrong by now!

oh btw, are you talking about those people that sleep in beds, in houses that are built on land within the occupied territories of the west bank.

You sound like another poster we have around here. I wonder if you realise by describing other posters as "hearing what they want to hear, think what they want to think" that you are describing yourself as well? We're all guilty of it to varying degrees and you're no more special than the rest of us here in the asylum.

Exactly right. 

ulysses g.

whats the point in trying to explain, when people hear what they want to hear, think what they want to think, take things out of context and live in their own little blinkered bubble worlds.

like i said before, i had refrained from passing comment for so long, because its always the same outcome when trying to put an argument forward.(kind of like how most palestinians must feel) you dont want to hear the other side of the story. is it that you may have to concede that you may be wrong about something. funny, you would have thought being an american youd be getting used to getting things wrong by now!

oh btw, are you talking about those people that sleep in beds, in houses that are built on land within the occupied territories of the west bank.

You sound like another poster we have around here. I wonder if you realise by describing other posters as "hearing what they want to hear, think what they want to think" that you are describing yourself as well? We're all guilty of it to varying degrees and you're no more special than the rest of us here in the asylum.

so speaks the voice of reason!

the same person that suggested tying a group of people to the back of a boat, with bales of hay sticking out their backsides. to mop up the oil slick in the gulf of mexico.

intelligent post that! i take my hat off to you for those wise words of wisdom

At least he is not foolish enough to claim that anyone who disagrees with him is automatically close minded and wrong. Humor is always to preferable to blatant absurdity. 

ulysses g.

whats the point in trying to explain, when people hear what they want to hear, think what they want to think, take things out of context and live in their own little blinkered bubble worlds.

like i said before, i had refrained from passing comment for so long, because its always the same outcome when trying to put an argument forward.(kind of like how most palestinians must feel) you dont want to hear the other side of the story. is it that you may have to concede that you may be wrong about something. funny, you would have thought being an american youd be getting used to getting things wrong by now!

oh btw, are you talking about those people that sleep in beds, in houses that are built on land within the occupied territories of the west bank.

You sound like another poster we have around here. I wonder if you realise by describing other posters as "hearing what they want to hear, think what they want to think" that you are describing yourself as well? We're all guilty of it to varying degrees and you're no more special than the rest of us here in the asylum.

so speaks the voice of reason!

the same person that suggested tying a group of people to the back of a boat, with bales of hay sticking out their backsides. to mop up the oil slick in the gulf of mexico.

intelligent post that! i take my hat off to you for those wise words of wisdom

At least he is not foolish enough to claim that anyone who disagrees with him is automatically close minded and wrong. Humor is always to preferable to blatant absurdity.

yes! but, american humor and blatant absurdity seem to go hand in hand. when it comes to thinking rationally about foreign policy