The majority of violent inner-city crime is committed by black men, police figures suggest.

But the statistics also show that black men are twice as likely to be victims of such crimes.

Police hold black men responsible for more than two-thirds of shootings and more than half of robberies and street crimes in London, according to figures released by Scotland Yard.

The statistics released under Freedom of Information laws have provoked a debate about the racial make-up of violent crime in the capital.

The data, which provides the ethnicity of the 18,091 men and boys who police took action against in London during 2009-10, looked at both violent and sexual offences.

It found that 67 per cent of those caught by police for gun crimes were black.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1290047/Metropolitan-Police-crime-statistics-reveal-violent-criminals-black--victims.html#ixzz0s7ycwPUs

I could have told them that for free!

Just exactly how does this dubious topic relate to Thailand?

Just exactly how does this dubious topic relate to Thailand?

its an ' outside the box ' topic

doesnt need to be related to Thailand...

In his generosity and wisdom George allows us to discuss all sorts of things, even those not related to Thailand, in Bedlam and Outside the Box.

I see.

The problem with this topic is where's the debate. Black Men commit more crime statistical fact. What's to debate ?

It's more socio-economic than racial.

I fully expected this to be about the U.S., so the fact that it is about England is interesting. 

Jesse Jackson once said that if he is walking in a dark alley and turns around and sees a white guy behind him he is relieved. That really surprised me. 

The police statistics relate to those prosecuted - whether convicted or acquitted - issued with a caution, warning or penalty notice.

But they also include a number of suspects arrested by police that the Crown Prosecution Service decided not to charge and those whose crimes were 'taken into consideration' during proceedings for other offences.

So. thay weren't all convicted, just suspects or actually aquitted yet still lumped in with the wrongdoers. Seems a bit... well you figure it out.

Critics say the figures merely show the continuing prevalence of racism in the Metropolitan Police.

Annual figures show that black people are at least six times more likely to be stopped and searched than their white counterparts.

Richard Garside, of the Centre for Crime and Justice Studies at King's College London, said: 'Given Britain's long history of racism and imperialism it should not greatly surprise us that black and minority ethnic groups are disproportionately members of social classes that have tended to experience greater victimisation and to be the subject of police attention.

'Just because the police treat black men as more criminal than white men, it does not mean that they are.'

But one black politician said the black community needed to face up to major challenges.

Shaun Bailey, a Tory election candidate in London and charity worker, said: 'The community has to look at itself and say that, at the end of the day, these figures suggest we are heavily - not casually - involved in violent crime. We are also involved in crime against ourselves - and we regularly attack each other.'

There seems to be a debate about whether these are true figures or "racism", with blacks coming down on both sides. Are the racism charges political correctness or do they reflect reality?  

I fully expected this to be about the U.S., so the fact that it is about England is interesting. 

Jesse Jackson once said that if he is walking in a dark alley and turns around and sees a white guy behind him he is relieved. That really surprised me. 

I agree with Jesse, I would feel the same. I doubt he would feel that way in some of the great Confederate States.

The police statistics relate to those prosecuted - whether convicted or acquitted - issued with a caution, warning or penalty notice.

But they also include a number of suspects arrested by police that the Crown Prosecution Service decided not to charge and those whose crimes were 'taken into consideration' during proceedings for other offences.

So. thay weren't all convicted, just suspects or actually aquitted yet still lumped in with the wrongdoers. Seems a bit... well you figure it out.

'Taken into consideration' has a specific meaning in that if you plead guilty to a specific crime you can also admit to previous crimes that you've committed and ask that they be 'taken into consideration'. You might receive a more severe sentence for the principal crime but you won't be charged for the other crimes.

The police statistics relate to those prosecuted - whether convicted or acquitted - issued with a caution, warning or penalty notice.

But they also include a number of suspects arrested by police that the Crown Prosecution Service decided not to charge and those whose crimes were 'taken into consideration' during proceedings for other offences.

So. thay weren't all convicted, just suspects or actually aquitted yet still lumped in with the wrongdoers. Seems a bit... well you figure it out.

'Taken into consideration' has a specific meaning in that if you plead guilty to a specific crime you can also admit to previous crimes that you've committed and ask that they be 'taken into consideration'. You might receive a more severe sentence for the principal crime but you won't be charged for the other crimes.

Quite correct

Much loved by officers as they can clear up unfinished business, getting a " result" , without the effort of a trail.

I fully expected this to be about the U.S., so the fact that it is about England is interesting.

Jesse Jackson once said that if he is walking in a dark alley and turns around and sees a white guy behind him he is relieved. That really surprised me.

Would it be even more interesting for you to know that in London, indigenous English people ( White ) are now an Ethnic Minority ??

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world1

I fully expected this to be about the U.S., so the fact that it is about England is interesting.

Jesse Jackson once said that if he is walking in a dark alley and turns around and sees a white guy behind him he is relieved. That really surprised me.

Would it be even more interesting for you to know that in London, indigenous English people ( White ) are now an Ethnic Minority ??

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world1

That article is a 10 year old estimate without any sources. ONS (Office of National Statistics) estimates for 2007 show that 70% of folks that live in London were honkies whilst the total English honky count was 89%

http://neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk/dissemination/LeadTableView.do?a=7&b=276743&c=London&d=13&e=13&g=325264&i=1001x1003x1004&o=280&m=0&r=1&s=1279465985781&enc=1&dsFamilyId=1812