I don't know if heterosexual Thai women and western women have the same amount of lesbian experimentation. It would be my guess that Thais are less experienced in this area.

Your guess would be totally wrong, many, many Thai ladies have female lovers, often the same one for much of their lives.

What appears to happen in Thailand, is rarely what really happens.

I don't know if heterosexual Thai women and western women have the same amount of lesbian experimentation. It would be my guess that Thais are less experienced in this area.

Your guess would be totally wrong, many, many Thai ladies have female lovers, often the same one for much of their lives.

What appears to happen in Thailand, is rarely what really happens.

You may be right. I haven't dated near as many lesbians in Thailand as I did in the west and have not had an opportunity to query their opinions.

Harcourt always gets it for free!

What the hel_l is that thing?  

It won a prize for being the ugliest dog in the contest.  

And you Harcourty are a cock for responding to me personally instead of responding to my post. If women are all different when it comes to oral sex why not share your insights and experience and tell us the source of your voluminous knowledge of the area.

No Harcourty, you did not respond to me. You hurled an insult at me (cock and shows how little you know). There is a difference. In addition to not responding to me you told me I was wrong but you could not tell me why because to do so would make you crass.

So to restate what you said. I know very little but you can't tell me why because that would not be nice.

You have succeeded in keeping good sex in the dark again or at least your limited knowledge of said subject.

Well to you, "good sex" is "Don't stop until I tell you to stop".

Sounds a bit domineering to me.

But then, you are one of those that has to pay for it. I guess you feel you can do anything if you are paying.

A couple of minor things.

A. I didn't say good sex. I said good oral sex.

B. Domineering. Most men like to grab their partner by the hair, if your partner has hair, I don't want to get into a gay discrimination thing here, but I have no idea what to do if my partner doesn't have hair. Anyway, it has been my experience most women don't like to be grabbed by the hair and pumped up and down like a sailor bailing water out of the bilge of a sinking ship. However if you find one you don't have to tell her when to stop as you are controlling the action and can stop anytime you want. Trying shaking up a beer bottle and put your thumb over the opening. Then transfer the bottle to your mouth. Your natural tendency is to pull away from the explosion of beer but if you open your mouth to let some of the carbon dioxide escape you can maintain mouth and bottle contact. You get the picture?

Your unasked question, am I dominant? Yes. I am.

One of those who has to pay for it? I am one of those who can pay for it. Therein lies the big difference. I have the money, the time and the freedom. I live where I want and buy what I want and that includes the services of women. I suffer no delusions about what is for sale and what is free in Thailand. Maybe you should read that last sentence twice. Or jot it down it may come in handy as you get older.

There was no unasked question there. Believe me, I have no questions to ask of you, of all people,

I feel you did a little side-step there in saying that you "can pay for it".....you DO pay for it and have no choice but to pay for it,

Most men can pay for it, especially in Thailand, so you're not that special there.

So not only do you like to brag that you're an old guy that still has a huge libido and strong shaken-beer bottle ejaculation, you also like to brag about your wealth.

That is the whole point about most of your threads and posts; they are a vehicle for you to brag about your sexual exploits and business acumen. I am certain that I am not alone in feeling that there is an amount of fabrication to your claims. Not that your claims are fantastically unbelievable (many men have "been there, done that"), it's just that your need to skite lends your stories an air of fantasy. It ties in with my observation about weak men, below.

"....Most men like to grab their partner by the hair...."

I can only suppose that you get you sweeping generalisation from your own penchant and the men that you know. Birds of a feather.

I do realise that there are weak men around that need a subserviant woman to make them feel "like a real man", but I did not realise that it was "most men".

If indeed it is most men, then I confess to being naive about the sexual requirements of (most) men.

"Okay, the other day someone here at Bedlam spoke about this & I thought it could make a funny thread.

It seems as if there is just about a thread or subsection within thaivisa for every minority group on the planet. Theres the ladies forum, gay forum, photographers forum, bikes, boats, this town, that town, dorks and geeks, techno heads and just about everything else you can think of. (Great Forum hey).

Anyway, as I sated before it has been noticed that there wasnt a particular thread for Hetro Men/Grumpy old men. We need a thread where we can just come to be men. No-one is descriminated against, everyone is free to join in but it should be noted that this is a thread where men can just come in, pick up a stool, drop their guts, open a beer and just chew the phat with other men discussing 'Secret Mens Business' "

I actually prefer having an orgasm while the salami is hidden. It gives me more control over it. Someone already said what it's like to have an orgasm while having oral sex, and I agree. You don't know which way to turn.

Nothing wrong with a facial - it is good for the skin.

It seems odd for someone to come here and write things like "you have to pay for sex" when - and let's be real - that's one of the top reasons men come to Thailand. I wonder what percentage of expat men living in Thailand have paid for it at one time or another? 100%? 95% 90%? Most of the married expats or expats with girlfriends I have known there still get a little afternoon delight every now and then. And when you pay for it in Thailand, you can do things you can't do anywhere else for free regardless of your age or wealth.

Not only can you pay for it but maybe more importantly everyone knows how readily available it is. Although this can be a double edged sword in terms of jealousy it can also be a motivator.

For example, would Mel Gibson’s wife have gone to sleep without giving him a BJ if she knew there were 972 women within a one block walk ready to grant him his wish for less than the price of a cup of Starbucks coffee.

Not only can you pay for it but maybe more importantly everyone knows how readily available it is. Although this can be a double edged sword in terms of jealousy it can also be a motivator.

For example, would Mel Gibson's wife have gone to sleep without giving him a BJ if she knew there were 972 women within a one block walk ready to grant him his wish for less than the price of a cup of Starbucks coffee.

This Russian chick isn't his wife, is she?

Well to you, "good sex" is "Don't stop until I tell you to stop".

Sounds a bit domineering to me.

But then, you are one of those that has to pay for it. I guess you feel you can do anything if you are paying.

A couple of minor things.

A. I didn't say good sex. I said good oral sex.

B. Domineering. Most men like to grab their partner by the hair, if your partner has hair, I don't want to get into a gay discrimination thing here, but I have no idea what to do if my partner doesn't have hair. Anyway, it has been my experience most women don't like to be grabbed by the hair and pumped up and down like a sailor bailing water out of the bilge of a sinking ship. However if you find one you don't have to tell her when to stop as you are controlling the action and can stop anytime you want. Trying shaking up a beer bottle and put your thumb over the opening. Then transfer the bottle to your mouth. Your natural tendency is to pull away from the explosion of beer but if you open your mouth to let some of the carbon dioxide escape you can maintain mouth and bottle contact. You get the picture?

Your unasked question, am I dominant? Yes. I am.

One of those who has to pay for it? I am one of those who can pay for it. Therein lies the big difference. I have the money, the time and the freedom. I live where I want and buy what I want and that includes the services of women. I suffer no delusions about what is for sale and what is free in Thailand. Maybe you should read that last sentence twice. Or jot it down it may come in handy as you get older.

There was no unasked question there. Believe me, I have no questions to ask of you, of all people,

I feel you did a little side-step there in saying that you "can pay for it".....you DO pay for it and have no choice but to pay for it,

Most men can pay for it, especially in Thailand, so you're not that special there.

So not only do you like to brag that you're an old guy that still has a huge libido and strong shaken-beer bottle ejaculation, you also like to brag about your wealth.

That is the whole point about most of your threads and posts; they are a vehicle for you to brag about your sexual exploits and business acumen. I am certain that I am not alone in feeling that there is an amount of fabrication to your claims. Not that your claims are fantastically unbelievable (many men have "been there, done that"), it's just that your need to skite lends your stories an air of fantasy. It ties in with my observation about weak men, below.

"....Most men like to grab their partner by the hair...."

I can only suppose that you get you sweeping generalisation from your own penchant and the men that you know. Birds of a feather.

I do realise that there are weak men around that need a subserviant woman to make them feel "like a real man", but I did not realise that it was "most men".

If indeed it is most men, then I confess to being naive about the sexual requirements of (most) men.

No Harcourt I don’t think I am special. A lot of 60 year old guys have pulled up roots moved to Thailand, learned the language, got a job, nice home and young woman and are happy in their dotage. I think you can draw from the fact that I am working in Thailand I am not rich. Nor am I poor.

I wasn’t unhappy in the States. I had a job, home and lived with a number of different women. I had a lot more sex in the States so in that respect Thailand has been a bit of a downer. But I was bored. I am not bored now. My last year in America I dated four women, 25, 18, 38 and 51. I guess you could say I paid for the 25 and 18 year olds but not cash.

I had a condo on the Gulf coast of Florida and a small studio apartment in a nudist colony outside of Tampa in Land O Lakes Florida called Paradise Lakes. You can google it if you are interested it is a large multinational resort, restaurants, night clubs, pools etc. I didn’t go to bars or strip joints except to watch the 25 year old dance occasionally. She was a good dancer. Sometimes strip clubs and sometimes in musical plays and shows.

Not a rich lifestyle but the condo and studio apartment were both paid for although there were the monthly maintenance fees.

I don’t have a huge libido. Once a day is fine. My GF would like more. In fact she is moping around right now complaining she is not getting enough sex. She is short and when she stamps her feet she looks funny. I laugh and this upsets her more. But I have lost a lot of social skills since moving here.

I live in a Thai town. In a Thai neighborhood. I don’t have any Falang friends. I guess I use TV to talk to Falangs. You got me there. Since I work in a Thai business there are no Falangs there either.

I would like to grab women by the hair during oral sex. They grab my hair it’s only fair. But the majority don’t like it so I don’t. The reason I think it is the majority is a year I spent frequenting Soi Six in Pattaya. I actually like Soi Six. I used to eat at the mall just down the road and had other reasons to go past there every day so I stopped in. In the bars on Soi Six you can get an idea what most men prefer. Even though I haven’t been there in a couple of years I don’t think it has changed.

In my experience weak men like dominant women. But I am really not an expert.

The roles people assume during sex i.e. Dominant or submissive, may not be the roles they play in everyday life. I am dominant sexually but for most things in life really I am pretty ambivalent.

I don’t know if you are naive or not. It is hard to say with any certainty what makes a person naïve. I like women. Old, young, rich, poor, educated, farm girls, tall, short, skinny, fat. I still correspond with my high school sweet heart by email at least once a week.

I like sex but fear I may have become jaded. I tend to think about it like fishing or sailing. Something physical that can be rewarding or boring or somewhere in between. I don’t attach it to any emotions. I can get excited about catching a fish but if I don’t I won’t go into despair if I don’t. Sometimes sex is like ocean racing, that is, standing in a cold shower tearing up thousand dollar bills. If you think sex is better with a person you love. Good for you.

Not only can you pay for it but maybe more importantly everyone knows how readily available it is. Although this can be a double edged sword in terms of jealousy it can also be a motivator.

For example, would Mel Gibson's wife have gone to sleep without giving him a BJ if she knew there were 972 women within a one block walk ready to grant him his wish for less than the price of a cup of Starbucks coffee.

This Russian chick isn't his wife, is she?

shows what a sad bunch of losers you really are (excluding harcourt who is posting from a different time zone of course) all posting last night between 7 to the early hours of the morning. squabbling and bickering about who, where, how much..................

when you should of been out enjoying the weekend.

fuc_k me no wonder some of you have to pay for it!

pitty the poor cow that ends up with one of you.

Not only can you pay for it but maybe more importantly everyone knows how readily available it is. Although this can be a double edged sword in terms of jealousy it can also be a motivator.

For example, would Mel Gibson's wife have gone to sleep without giving him a BJ if she knew there were 972 women within a one block walk ready to grant him his wish for less than the price of a cup of Starbucks coffee.

This Russian chick isn't his wife, is she?

Gee I’m sorry. I thought the Russian chick was his wife. I googled it. His wife got $450 million last year. Half his money so google says. No wonder he is upset.

Not only can you pay for it but maybe more importantly everyone knows how readily available it is. Although this can be a double edged sword in terms of jealousy it can also be a motivator.

For example, would Mel Gibson's wife have gone to sleep without giving him a BJ if she knew there were 972 women within a one block walk ready to grant him his wish for less than the price of a cup of Starbucks coffee.

This Russian chick isn't his wife, is she?

shows what a sad bunch of losers you really are (excluding harcourt who is posting from a different time zone of course) all you posting last night between 7 to the early hours of the morning. squabbling and bickering about who, where, how much..................

when you should of been out enjoying the weekend.

fuc_k me no wonder some of you have to pay for it!

pitty the poor cow that ends up with one of you.

You are aware that not everyone posting here (besides Harcourt) lives in the same time zone, aren't you?

I don't know what part of Thailand you're familiar with but on tourist island Samui, weekends aren't all that special. Plenty of fun to be had every night of the week. AND, when you don't have a regular Mon-Fri work week it makes it even less meaningful.

TV should have a special section for these guys who haven't moved out of mom's basement yet.

Not only can you pay for it but maybe more importantly everyone knows how readily available it is. Although this can be a double edged sword in terms of jealousy it can also be a motivator.

For example, would Mel Gibson's wife have gone to sleep without giving him a BJ if she knew there were 972 women within a one block walk ready to grant him his wish for less than the price of a cup of Starbucks coffee.

This Russian chick isn't his wife, is she?

shows what a sad bunch of losers you really are (excluding harcourt who is posting from a different time zone of course) all posting last night between 7 to the early hours of the morning. squabbling and bickering about who, where, how much..................

when you should of been out enjoying the weekend.

fuc_k me no wonder some of you have to pay for it!

pitty the poor cow that ends up with one of you.

I have a cold. I have had a cold for almost two weeks. I am not up to going out. Even if I was up to going out I’d be home by 10 or 11 and in bed before midnight. I am an old guy. On top of that I have to get up at 6AM to go to work.

I don’t have a cow. She is more like a demented chipmunk. She dances like a chipmunk. She makes noises like a chipmunk. Kind of like a female Mr. Magoo. She is a short roly poly woman. She hits hard too. I am sitting here writing because she is angry with me. I won’t marry her. She complains about it a couple of times a month and I tell her to go back to the farm or go to work in a bar. She gets over it in a day or so.

But really she doesn’t look anything like a cow.

Not only can you pay for it but maybe more importantly everyone knows how readily available it is. Although this can be a double edged sword in terms of jealousy it can also be a motivator.

For example, would Mel Gibson's wife have gone to sleep without giving him a BJ if she knew there were 972 women within a one block walk ready to grant him his wish for less than the price of a cup of Starbucks coffee.

This Russian chick isn't his wife, is she?

shows what a sad bunch of losers you really are (excluding harcourt who is posting from a different time zone of course) all you posting last night between 7 to the early hours of the morning. squabbling and bickering about who, where, how much..................

when you should of been out enjoying the weekend.

fuc_k me no wonder some of you have to pay for it!

pitty the poor cow that ends up with one of you.

You are aware that not everyone posting here (besides Harcourt) lives in the same time zone, aren't you?

I don't know what part of Thailand you're familiar with but on tourist island Samui, weekends aren't all that special. Plenty of fun to be had every night of the week. AND, when you don't have a regular Mon-Fri work week it makes it even less meaningful.

TV should have a special section for these guys who haven't moved out of mom's basement yet.

Harcourt doesn't live in Thailand does he? Poor guy would go nuts.

very familiar with the island of samui! having lived in several locations including mainam, bophut ,chaweng and lamai.

guess its what you make of the place that you live in and cheerish the spare time you have when not working that counts.

always found samui along with other tourist places in thailand to be great places to enjoy the weekend. whether it be going out with a group of foreign mates or time spent with thai friends and family doing what we all like to do when given time to let our hair down. ie go to the beach, eat, drink, have a good old sing song and get laid!

oh yeah and pissing off all the boring old farang that have no life.

very familiar with the island of samui! having lived in several locations including mainam, bophut ,chaweng and lamai.

guess its what you make of the place that you live in and cheerish the spare time you have when not working that counts.

always found samui along with other tourist places in thailand to be great places to enjoy the weekend. whether it be going out with a group of foreign mates or time spent with thai friends and family doing what we all like to do when given time to let our hair down. ie go to the beach, eat, drink, have a good old sing song and get laid!

oh yeah and pissing off all the boring old farang that have no life.

So, tigerfish, just for the record, where do you live now?

very familiar with the island of samui! having lived in several locations including mainam, bophut ,chaweng and lamai.

guess its what you make of the place that you live in and cheerish the spare time you have when not working that counts.

always found samui along with other tourist places in thailand to be great places to enjoy the weekend. whether it be going out with a group of foreign mates or time spent with thai friends and family doing what we all like to do when given time to let our hair down. ie go to the beach, eat, drink, have a good old sing song and get laid!

oh yeah and pissing off all the boring old farang that have no life.

So, tigerfish, just for the record, where do you live now?

bangkok!

very familiar with the island of samui! having lived in several locations including mainam, bophut ,chaweng and lamai.

guess its what you make of the place that you live in and cheerish the spare time you have when not working that counts.

always found samui along with other tourist places in thailand to be great places to enjoy the weekend. whether it be going out with a group of foreign mates or time spent with thai friends and family doing what we all like to do when given time to let our hair down. ie go to the beach, eat, drink, have a good old sing song and get laid!

oh yeah and pissing off all the boring old farang that have no life.

So, tigerfish, just for the record, where do you live now?

bangkok!

I lived in Bangkok for a year. Went out almost every night. It was 40 baht to the dollar. I lived close to the Saxophone club. Not bad food and I loved the music. When the baht got closer to 30 I realized I didn’t have as much security as I thought and I got a job. Actually I got three jobs as I have always liked security. The jobs were on the East coast in the industrial area. A lot of Thai clubs but nothing like Pattaya or Bangkok. We go to a country place every once in a while the wait staff wear cowboy hats. Lots of money here and the Thais party every night. Great action if one likes ear splitting music. Beautiful women dancing but the noise level is dangerous. I partied for three years while the dollar was high and have worked for three years while it is low.

The latest on the Mel thing. He has sold one of his homes in the US and the others are for sale. He is moving back to his native (the newspaper said native) Australia to be with his wife. Who is doing her "stand by your man" thing.