The ones who could answer the question as to why the attack took place are not here to answer and if they were, the answers might be varied.

I wouldn't be surprised if not all the hijackers knew it was a one-way mission. The more who know, the greater the risk one would chicken out at the end and jeopardize the mission.

Do you think that it is possible that the majority of Muslims, like the majority of Christians, love peace?

Why don't you visit the US and walk through Atlanta or Harlem waving a confederate flag. This will give you ample opportunity to educate the masses of people kicking the holy crap out of you that only a small majority of white people owned slaves.

I thought the USA was the land of the free

Would you look at a memorial statue of Dan White in the Castro District of San Francisco in such an open-minded way?

Is Dan White a building given over to religious purposes?

If you'd asked me if I'd mind if the Roman Catholic Church wanted to build a church on the site of the 'Tavern in the Town' (a pub that I left 30 minutes before the IRA blew it up, killing 19 and injuring over 180) I'd say no because I don't believe that the vast majority of Catholics are murdering bastards.

Do you think that it is possible that the majority of Muslims, like the majority of Christians, love peace?

Why don't you visit the US and walk through Atlanta or Harlem waving a confederate flag. This will give you ample opportunity to educate the masses of people kicking the holy crap out of you that only a small majority of white people owned slaves.

Good example. The confederates fought to maintain slavery. There is a direct connection to slavery and the confederate flag. There are continuing racist groups that use the flag as their symbol. Descendants of slaves and black people have every right to feel antagonism towards anybody waving that flag because it is used even today as a symbol of racism.

Islam, on the other hand, is not a symbol of anti-Americanism and has no bearing on what took place on 911, and the only symbolism is the symbolism applied by the anti-Muslim factions.

If a memorial to fallen Al Qaeda members was proposed, I would agree that it is inappropriate and inflamatory.

Why don't you visit the US and walk through Atlanta or Harlem waving a confederate flag. This will give you ample opportunity to educate the masses of people kicking the holy crap out of you that only a small majority of white people owned slaves.

Good example. The confederates fought to maintain slavery. There is a direct connection to slavery and the confederate flag. There are continuing racist groups that use the flag as their symbol. Descendants of slaves and black people have every right to feel antagonism towards anybody waving that flag because it is used even today as a symbol of racism.

Not everyone who wants to display the confederate flag is a racist. There is more to Southern Heritage than a handful of rich people owning plantations full of slaves.

Islam, on the other hand, is not a symbol of anti-Americanism and has no bearing on what took place on 911, and the only symbolism is the symbolism applied by the anti-Muslim factions.

Maybe on your planet, but down here on Earth, for a small but very dangerous group of Islamic fundamentalists, Islam is at the center of their hatred for America.

Do you think that it is possible that the majority of Muslims, like the majority of Christians, love peace?

Why don't you visit the US and walk through Atlanta or Harlem waving a confederate flag. This will give you ample opportunity to educate the masses of people kicking the holy crap out of you that only a small majority of white people owned slaves.

Good example. The confederates fought to maintain slavery. There is a direct connection to slavery and the confederate flag. There are continuing racist groups that use the flag as their symbol.

There are racist groups in the UK that use the Union Flag as their symbol. That doesn't mean that we're all racist. I'm sure Her Maj would be pretty pissed off if she thought she was being lumped in with Combat 18.

I thought the USA was the land of the free

Would you look at a memorial statue of Dan White in the Castro District of San Francisco in such an open-minded way?

Is Dan White a building given over to religious purposes?

So, in other words, when it is something offensive to you, America is not supposed to be so "free" anymore.

I thought the USA was the land of the free

Would you look at a memorial statue of Dan White in the Castro District of San Francisco in such an open-minded way?

Is Dan White a building given over to religious purposes?

So, in other words, when it is something offensive to you, America is not supposed to be so "free" anymore.

I take it you guys aren't talking about Danny White, Staubach's successor?

Dan White that ate too many Twinkies and shot Harvey Milk by mistake.

Do you think that it is possible that the majority of Muslims, like the majority of Christians, love peace?

Why don't you visit the US and walk through Atlanta or Harlem waving a confederate flag. This will give you ample opportunity to educate the masses of people kicking the holy crap out of you that only a small majority of white people owned slaves.

Good example. The confederates fought to maintain slavery. There is a direct connection to slavery and the confederate flag. There are continuing racist groups that use the flag as their symbol.

There are racist groups in the UK that use the Union Flag as their symbol. That doesn't mean that we're all racist. I'm sure Her Maj would be pretty pissed off if she thought she was being lumped in with Combat 18.

Which is in part my point: If some of the people that rally behind a flag are bastards, it does not mean that all of those that wave that flag are bastards, and it does not mean that the particular flag is a symbol of the attitude of the bastards.

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Maybe on your planet, but down here on Earth, for a small but very dangerous group of Islamic fundamentalists, Islam is at the center of their hatred for America.

OK, so, for a small group, Islam is at the center of their hatred for America. So you tar all Muslims with the same brush and ban them from building a Mosque?

I thought the USA was the land of the free

Would you look at a memorial statue of Dan White in the Castro District of San Francisco in such an open-minded way?

Is Dan White a building given over to religious purposes?

So, in other words, when it is something offensive to you, America is not supposed to be so "free" anymore.

I thought that comparing a murderer to a building was simply too silly to comment on.

I thought that comparing a murderer to a building was simply too silly to comment on.

A building erected for questionable reasons by questionable people on a site where many people were murdered (that is sacred to their families). It is no secret that radical Muslims boast of putting a Mosque on territory that they have "conquered", so, if they are so full of good intentions, why are they so determined to put one on the site of 9/11?

I thought that comparing a murderer to a building was simply too silly to comment on.

A building erected for questionable reasons by questionable people on a site where many people were murdered (that is sacred to their families). It is no secret that radical Muslims boast of putting a Mosque on territory that they have "conquered", so, if they are so full of good intentions, why are they so determined to put one on the site of 9/11?

Again:

"If you'd asked me if I'd mind if the Roman Catholic Church wanted to build a church on the site of the 'Tavern in the Town' (a pub that I left 30 minutes before the IRA blew it up, killing 19 and injuring over 180) I'd say no because I don't believe that the vast majority of Catholics are murdering bastards. "

I thought that comparing a murderer to a building was simply too silly to comment on.

A building erected for questionable reasons by questionable people on a site where many people were murdered (that is sacred to their families). It is no secret that radical Muslims boast of putting a Mosque on territory that they have "conquered", so, if they are so full of good intentions, why are they so determined to put one on the site of 9/11?

Again:

"If you'd asked me if I'd mind if the Roman Catholic Church wanted to build a church on the site of the 'Tavern in the Town' (a pub that I left 30 minutes before the IRA blew it up, killing 19 and injuring over 180) I'd say no because I don't believe that the vast majority of Catholics are murdering bastards. "

For whatever reason, the IRA and Catholicism have never had quite the same effect as what is going on now between the West and the Islamic groups. I would agree with you a Church on the site of the Tavern would not raise a murmur. A Mosque by GZ, a totally different reaction which rightly or wrongly would stir hatred to a new fever pitch. Everyone knows this, so the reasons behind the idea are questionable to say the least.

Thanks suiging. Agreed!

Thanks suiging. Agreed!

Don't get too keen. I'm afraid I did support Bert Reynolds against the inbreds, even though that one could sure play the banjo.

Be careful, you might get branded as anti-gay for that last remark - the fat guy wasn't very sporting was he? - but I'm afraid that I am with you on that as well.

lets refudiate the whole thing

For whatever reason, the IRA and Catholicism have never had quite the same effect as what is going on now between the West and the Islamic groups.

Maybe it has something to do with only Catholics in a tiny corner of Europe (Northern Ireland) who were blowing things against one group (the Brits) for one reason (to get them out of N. Ireland) up whereas the Islamic terrorists are in dozens of countries, multiple continents. I don't recall the IRA calling for Catholics to take over the UK, or the world either. Islam would be looked upon the same way if the only place you heard about Islamic extremists was in Palestine.

Exactly !!!!

And that I'm afraid is why in todays world the West will never see Islam as a religion of peace as people across the globe use it as their banner to kill and maim as many people as they can in order to impose their religion on the majority.

In the Middle Ages, Islam was indeed the voice of tolerance and learning. Under it's banner people were allowed to worship their own God's with relative freedom. That's changed. Intolerance is at an all time high across the Arab world and as long as Islamic governments hide and fund dreadful terrorist organisations, their once peaceful religion will forever be tarnished.

Please don't come back with the Israeli pap. Like the IRA, they may be awful in one small corner of the world, but if I'm having a cup of coffee in Bali, London, Madrid, Washington, just about anywhere, am I concerned that a Jewish bomber is going to blow him/herself up at my table ?...................er no.

Please don't come back with the Israeli pap

You both agree that it is pap. He was just using it as an example of terrorism against one country (like England and the IRA) instead of the whole world.

Please don't come back with the Israeli pap

You both agree that it is pap. He was just using it as an example of terrorism against one country (like England and the IRA) instead of the whole world.

I guess I agree - what is "pap"?

The PLO hijacked planes and ships around the region from various countries and killed non-Israelis to advance their cause. Did the Catholic IRA ever do anything like that?

I also wonder, during the height of the troubles between the IRA and England, did the Protestant English ever feel unsafe when they went to Catholic Italy on holiday? Did the British gov't issue travel advisories for its protestant citizens about travel there?

what is "pap"?

B.S.

Just how far is the "Ground Zero Mosque" from Ground Zero ?

The "Ground Zero Mosque" that we have been and will be hearing so much about is not exactly a mosque, nor is it at Ground Zero. Here's why: you can't see Ground Zero -- the former site of the World Trade Center -- from the future site of the Cordoba House.

http://maps.google.c...e=UTF8&t=h&z=18

From 45 Park Place, the former Burlington Coat Factory building that will make way for the Cordoba House, it's two blocks, around a corner, to get to the WTC site. Park Place doesn't lie between the construction site and any mass transit stations, so you would need to go out of your way to have it offend you. If you look up the walking directions you'll notice that it takes a couple of minutes to walk the distance (approximately a tenth of a mile) between the two spots. Pretty much two minutes exactly when I took the trip with a shaky video camera. Here's the clip, first sped up to 4X speed then slowed down to 1X: (YouTube Video in the article link, below)

article continues here:

http://www.huffingto...n_b_660585.html

LaoPo

Talking about Mosques....

it's interesting to know that the largest Mosque in Europe has been built in Rome/Italia -of all places- and with the blessings of Pope John Paul II...

Built with Saudi Arabic money it's Minaret is only 2 feet (128 feet high) below the impressive St. Peter's Dome with 130 feet.

Would it be possible to built an impressive Cathedral, Dome, Church in Riyadh, Jeddah, Mecca...Medina /Saudi Arabia, financed with Rome's Catholic Church's money ?

It's also interesting to learn that many mosques in Europe are built in former (Catholic and Protestant Churches, amongst other religions)

What a world...

LaoPo

Would it be possible to built an impressive Cathedral, Dome, Church in Riyadh, Jeddah, Mecca...Medina /Saudi Arabia, financed with Rome's Catholic Church's money ?

Probably not.

Would it be possible to built an impressive Cathedral, Dome, Church in Riyadh, Jeddah, Mecca...Medina /Saudi Arabia, financed with Rome's Catholic Church's money ?

Probably not.

Definitely not.

It is interesting to note the proposed name, "Cordoba House", has now been changed to something else, (45 Park Place as I recall). Cordoba has significant religious implications to Islamists.

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Cordoba,” in Islamic symbolic terms, means Islamic rule in the West. It does not mean “coexistence,” unless coexistence is interpreted as referring to Islamic rule. Pamela Geller at Atlas Shrugs cites the article (original in Arabic) published by Iraqi-American Khudhayr Taher on 18 May, in which Taher explains the following:

Rest of article here: http://lonestartimes.squawkboxnoise.com/?p=3081

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The location being a "few minutes walk" from ground zero is also somewhat misleading. It only took a couple of seconds for the landing gear from one of the suicide planes to land in front of the site. One tenth of a mile is only 528 feet, which equates to 176 yards, a medium length par 3 on any golf course.

Would it be possible to built an impressive Cathedral, Dome, Church in Riyadh, Jeddah, Mecca...Medina /Saudi Arabia, financed with Rome's Catholic Church's money ?

Probably not.

Definitely not.

It is interesting to note the proposed name, "Cordoba House", has now been changed to something else, (45 Park Place as I recall). Cordoba has significant religious implications to Islamists.

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Cordoba," in Islamic symbolic terms, means Islamic rule in the West. It does not mean "coexistence," unless coexistence is interpreted as referring to Islamic rule. Pamela Geller at Atlas Shrugs cites the article (original in Arabic) published by Iraqi-American Khudhayr Taher on 18 May, in which Taher explains the following:

Rest of article here: http://lonestartimes...ise.com/?p=3081

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The location being a "few minutes walk" from ground zero is also somewhat misleading. It only took a couple of seconds for the landing gear from one of the suicide planes to land in front of the site. One tenth of a mile is only 528 feet, which equates to 176 yards, a medium length par 3 on any golf course.

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The Lone Star Times. That has got to be a balanced editorial or opinion piece. Yeah right!

I wonder how "Cordoba" has any meaning in Arabic about "Islamic rule in the west" when the name was given, according to Wiki, ".....The first historical mention of a settlement dates however to the Carthaginian expansion across the Guadalquivir, when the general Amilcar Barca baptized it Kartuba, from Kart-Juba, meaning "the City of Juba", the latter being a Numidian commander who had died in a battle nearby......"

Unless "Cordoba" has mere connotations of the historical Islamic westernmost caliphate? If so, that doesn't bestow any of the implied intent of Islam ruling the West......not at all. It is a very long bow to draw, and not suprising from that redneck journal.

Not suprising that chucky reads it and swallows it all up.

It is an odd refutation to compare walking speeds with the speed of some airborne jetsom from a crashed aircraft. Odd and very misleading....ironically the comparison is used to support an allegation of "misleading".

The golf analogy? All that does is confirm that the proposed mosque is not actually at GZ!

Why do you bother, chucky? Think before you post. After all, we all know you want to capitalise on your age; if you want to appear to be wise, stop and think before clicking "Add Reply".

Why do you bother, chucky? Think before you post.

Multiple sources - including Muslims publications - confirm the meaning of "Cordoba" as chuckd's article has stated. Not just one newspaper.