Um, no. I can't say that I have actually seen that many guys refute the belief that women are after money. In fact, if anything, it seems to be a major belief of a great number of vociferous posters on this forum so if there are men who believe that they are unusually silent.

I prefer to hold on to that illusion as an excuse for so many rejecting me.

Pasty no one has said that having money isn't important, only that it is incorrect of men to assume that that is what all women see as an attraction in a man. There are a certain type of women who will take a man, any man & put up with him & all his foibles becuase he has money that she wants or needs. That is up to her but many of us, you included, are able to make our own, sure we might struggle occasionally but it is preferable to me at least to struggle than have to deal with a mate who I am only putting up with cause he holds the purse strings.

None of us need to deal with some guy with a fat wallet just cause we are too stupid/lazy/ignorant/mercenary to make our own.

The sooner some of the posters here realize that the better imo. Maybe they need to look at what else they bring to the table in a relationship that doesn't involve money or possessions but then maybe, looking that too far into themselves is a unwanted prospect & being attractive through their money is a deep as they want to go.

That's fine too but I hope they don't come sobbing near me when their perfect little gal rips them off or runs a quick mile when the money runs dry Cause we've never read about either of those cases happening on thaivisa before (multiple times) have we And lets not even go near the ones who get killed for the financial aspect of their "attraction"

I must say, I'm surprised by the (overly?)defensive attitude from the ladies here. The attitude of this neanderthal , if you're interested, is that a certain amount of materialism is a natural, agreeable even, attribute. I won't use the word shallow, because there are so many better examples of it.

A young lady looking to start a family, looking at her future, had better be thinking about the financial side of things. It's the smart thing to do and also shows an air of responsibility. Things a future husband and father might find attractive.

As for the "I this and I that"....who cares? Personally, I don't speak for Mankind....and defend them?? Everyone, no exceptions, has skeletons. Lighten up. This is an internet forum. I may well be a 12 year old boy, picking my winkle, as I type this with my feet.

Thank you Patsycat for the insight, very refreshing.

Regards.

sure, overly defensive of course your view would be that. to me we women are just expressing our annoyance that even though they have given their opinion they are still being told they are wrong. we are clearly unaware of what women think.!!

A young lady looking to start a family, looking at her future, had better be thinking about the financial side of things.

Sure, having a partner who is financially responsible & able to contribute to their future is important but the responsible & grown up women would also have a means of supporting herself & her family instead of relying on a wallet to do it for her. There is more to a husband & father than the money in his back pocket. Or, in this womans option, there should be.

but hey, what do I know, I am clearly unaware of what women want or look for in a partner After all, I'm not a man right?

I just went downstairs and got some smokes ('Vinataba') and on the way back up again I thought of a VN woman that I knew about 4 years ago...then I tuned into this thread again...

she was a prostitute but never asked me for money; after a couple of days together I'd hand over some dough and say 'go shopping'...maybe if I didn't have any dough to offer she might not've been friendly...but we never discussed it...

she was an exception; good english and appreciated western humor and we always had a great laugh...we could have a good time watching old movies on TCN as well as burning down the place with sex...the money angle never made a difference with her...

it's just to say that if a good time is being had by all then the money becomes insignificant...certainly if there was no money the scenario wouldn't happen and that is something to think about...

Why would my view be that Boo? Do you know me? Or is this just a carry on from a previous thread? You, in particular, really are taking this all too seriously. Makes me wonder why. An aggressive moderator. There's an oxymoron.

By the way, laughing at your own jokes is bad form.

Regards.

Um, no. I can't say that I have actually seen that many guys refute the belief that women are after money. In fact, if anything, it seems to be a major belief of a great number of vociferous posters on this forum so if there are men who believe that they are unusually silent.

That is because the comments are from men on the General Forum who have associated with Thai bar girls, or poor, single farm girls with a child, and who have no other means of support. My comments were directed at the few members here on Bedlam. There really aren't more than 20 or 30 of us. And, everyone is pretty much respectful of others here. As teletiger says, it only makes sense for a woman looking for a long term relationship to be somewhat materialistic. Western women with careers don't NEED to pick a rich guy, but you seldom see them pick some drifter without a job. And, if they do it's because they have more than enough money to supply their own needs. As far as myself is concerned I PREFER a materialistic woman. I don't want a long term relationship and prefer to keep everything on a cash basis. That way there are no expectations and nobody's feelings being hurt. But, that doesn't mean I can't be friendly to everyone and always pay my own way.

Please don't give yourself too much credit teletiger or take it personally. I just get sick of hearing the usual tosh about women that gets posted here. I have no idea of a previous thread where we may have disagreed but if there was then it seems to have been important for you to remember it but not for me. I post on the merits of the thread I am on. This one is hilarious but fyi, I don't need to be told whether to laugh at my own jokes or not, I am able to decide that alone, without permission

Why would my view be that Boo?

Maybe from this?

I must say, I'm surprised by the (overly?)defensive attitude from the ladies here

just saying.

We all hear what we want to hear Boo. For instance you heard me tell you not to laugh at one's own jokes. If you don't want to hear "tosh"....stop listening to it.

On that note I'm going to stop writing it and apologies for hijacking the thread.

Regards.

Edit: spelling

gotta admit, you had me lmao on that overly defensive comment teletiger. quite funny given the incessant crap I have had to read on this forum over the years. But, I guess, like you said, we all see and read what we want to see and you prefer to ignore the attacks on women and see us as "overly defensive".

kinda reminds me of the mechanic who lectured me on my car when I was 21, at the top of his freaking lungs at that. And when told him to just check the battery said fine in the tone that implied I was a huffy woman.

See guys, you say you want to hear women's opinions but then when you get them, start calling us overly defensive. The title of the thread is quite clear, so if you don't like it, you don't have to read.

Oh dear. thems the breaks I suppose.

I don't know anyone with a car. The parking is <deleted> here, and fines are huge. Taking the bus is more fun. A guy actually gave me his seat the other day. I must be looking like an old hag.

It's nice to have money, a friend took me for lunch the other day. When I went to pay my half he waved my hand away from my wallet. That hasn't happened in a long time. Perhaps the fact that he had drunk alot of wine came into it, because the next day I thanked him and he doesn't really remember. I only had a plate of chips and ate three quarters of his curry...

You cannot live in Switzerland without money. Last year i was so broke I was borderline poverty. After rent and the usual bills, I had about 5 quid a day to live on. Not a very nice existence. But I survived. Even now, with a bit of cash in the bank, I am extremely money conscious and don't spend too much. Just going out for a drink costs alot. Then, last month, the cat almost died. That cost a hel_l of alot. The vet wants money up front. But he still cost me almost 1000 pounds. And she (the vet) even gave me a discount.

All I am saying here is - we should not say we can live without money. Who wouldn't want to win the lottery once in their lives? I know i would, then I could go to KP and annoy sbk!!!!

If you won the lottery, you can come an annoy enjoy me, Patsy. I can be your toy boy.

I have a car too

Are we not around the same age?

Yeah we are......does that matter to you?

Just the thought of leaving one freezing cold country and travelling thousands of miles to another freezing cold country, tires me out.

We could meet halfway. Zanzibar is interesting...

I don't know anyone with a car. The parking is <deleted> here, and fines are huge. Taking the bus is more fun. A guy actually gave me his seat the other day. I must be looking like an old hag.

It's nice to have money, a friend took me for lunch the other day. When I went to pay my half he waved my hand away from my wallet. That hasn't happened in a long time. Perhaps the fact that he had drunk alot of wine came into it, because the next day I thanked him and he doesn't really remember. I only had a plate of chips and ate three quarters of his curry...

You cannot live in Switzerland without money. Last year i was so broke I was borderline poverty. After rent and the usual bills, I had about 5 quid a day to live on. Not a very nice existence. But I survived. Even now, with a bit of cash in the bank, I am extremely money conscious and don't spend too much. Just going out for a drink costs alot. Then, last month, the cat almost died. That cost a hel_l of alot. The vet wants money up front. But he still cost me almost 1000 pounds. And she (the vet) even gave me a discount.

All I am saying here is - we should not say we can live without money. Who wouldn't want to win the lottery once in their lives? I know i would, then I could go to KP and annoy sbk!!!!

If you won the lottery, you can come an annoy enjoy me, Patsy. I can be your toy boy.

I have a car too

Are we not around the same age?

Yeah we are......does that matter to you?

Just the thought of leaving one freezing cold country and travelling thousands of miles to another freezing cold country, tires me out.

We could meet halfway. Zanzibar is interesting...

Yes, you can get very interesting nutmeg there............

Cloves.

I have been there and did a Spice Walk.

just to get this thread back to the ladies thread;

I'm sure we have all heard a few of these over the years but these comes backs are useful......

Comebacks to Pickup Lines

Man: Haven't I seen you someplace before?

Woman: Yes, that's why I don't go there anymore.

Man: Is this seat empty?

Woman: Yes, and this one will be if you sit down.

Man: Your place or mine?

Woman: Both. You go to yours, and I'll go to mine.

Man: So, what do you do for a living?

Woman: I'm a female impersonator.

Man: Hey baby, what's your sign?v Woman: Do not enter.

Man: How do you like your eggs in the morning?

Woman: Unfertilized.

Man: Your body is like a temple.

Woman: Sorry, there are no services today.

Man: I would go to the end of the world for you.

Woman: But would you stay there?

Man: If I could see you naked, I'd die happy.

Woman: If I saw you naked, I'd probably die laughing.

just to get this thread back to the ladies thread;

I'm sure we have all heard a few of these over the years but these comes backs are useful......

Comebacks to Pickup Lines

Man: Haven't I seen you someplace before?

Woman: Yes, that's why I don't go there anymore.

Man: Is this seat empty?

Woman: Yes, and this one will be if you sit down.

Man: Your place or mine?

Woman: Both. You go to yours, and I'll go to mine.

Man: So, what do you do for a living?

Woman: I'm a female impersonator.

Man: Hey baby, what's your sign?v Woman: Do not enter.

Man: How do you like your eggs in the morning?

Woman: Unfertilized.

Man: Your body is like a temple.

Woman: Sorry, there are no services today.

Man: I would go to the end of the world for you.

Woman: But would you stay there?

Man: If I could see you naked, I'd die happy.

Woman: If I saw you naked, I'd probably die laughing.

Heartless, cruel ( true ) and I'm going to report you to the......................Oh.

Heartless, cruel ( true ) and I'm going to report you to the......................Oh.

Humour police?

Regards.

I like the funny cute ones myself, preferring to ignore the stupidos who can't be bothered to be a little creative.

So guys, whats your funny, cute and creatively non cheesy non sleazy pick up lines? I'd be interested to hear what you have come up with.

Hi

Sorry if I look a bit flustered, you simply can't park a Ferrari anywhere these days without getting a ticket, and the Rolex service centre was bloody packed. How's your day been...................

"I'd love to take you home later

Do you like bananas or blueberries?

I wanna know what kind of pancakes to make in the morning."

I like the funny cute ones myself, preferring to ignore the stupidos who can't be bothered to be a little creative.

So guys, whats your funny, cute and creatively non cheesy non sleazy pick up lines? I'd be interested to hear what you have come up with.

"Is that bath soap or perfume you are using? It has a lovely touch of Jasmine in the scent. I like it."

Along with a sincere, friendly smile, of course.

But, if I were to get a nasty brush off my next question would be... "Did you forget to trim your nose hair tonight?" Said with a serious look on my face.

Most often a nod and a slight, friendly smile is all that is needed. Body language will tell you the rest. If a woman is not interested then there is no use in pursuing her. I'm often quite frank with women I find attractive and I'll compliment them on their eyes, hair or outfit, even though I am not trying to pick them up. I talk to anyone, anywhere and never mind a brush off or lack of response. I always leave the second move up to the woman. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I can't remember any bad experiences since I became an adult.

Hi

Sorry if I look a bit flustered, you simply can't park a Ferrari anywhere these days without getting a ticket, and the Rolex service centre was bloody packed. How's your day been...................

How many time do you need to be told? Women don't care about your money!!

Regards.

"I'd love to take you home later

Do you like bananas or blueberries?

I wanna know what kind of pancakes to make in the morning."

I'll have to remember that one.

For the next time I meet an attractive 250 pounder.

Regards.

Hi

Sorry if I look a bit flustered, you simply can't park a Ferrari anywhere these days without getting a ticket, and the Rolex service centre was bloody packed. How's your day been...................

How many time do you need to be told? Women don't care about your money!!

Regards.

Good job really ( haven't got any )

Hi

Sorry if I look a bit flustered, you simply can't park a Ferrari anywhere these days without getting a ticket, and the Rolex service centre was bloody packed. How's your day been...................

Do you think they'll accept my Lotus instead of a Ferrari? Oh, and my Omega instead of a Rolex?

Hi

Sorry if I look a bit flustered, you simply can't park a Ferrari anywhere these days without getting a ticket, and the Rolex service centre was bloody packed. How's your day been...................

Do you think they'll accept my Lotus instead of a Ferrari? Oh, and my Omega instead of a Rolex?

NO...........

Hi

Sorry if I look a bit flustered, you simply can't park a Ferrari anywhere these days without getting a ticket, and the Rolex service centre was bloody packed. How's your day been...................

Do you think they'll accept my Lotus instead of a Ferrari? Oh, and my Omega instead of a Rolex?

NO...........

dam_n, I didn't think so. That means I'll have to keep coming to Thailand where all the ladies call me "Hansum man"

Who parked the Lotus Ian? Your wife?

Regards.

seriously, if someone used the ferrari/rolex line on me I'd probably gag. Then tell him that public transport will sort out the parking problem & using a cheap watch will save him some time