So, why is that?

And Moonraker and Chuck, if you are looking for a real juicy and tasty steak, don't go for corn fed.

I guess you guys never ate a real natural grown piece of meat in a side by side comparison.

Alex:

I was raised in Texas. You are apparently from Holland.

Please don't try and lecture me on beef steaks.

The Texas redneck has spoken.

The Texas redneck has spoken.

...and proud of it.

The Texas redneck has spoken.

The average Texan knows more about steak than just about anyone in Holland - or all of Europe for that matter. Now, you Dutch can lecture on building greenhouses or keeping the sea from flooding your fields - and maybe which type of hash goes best with a cappuccino.

My answer to the question is that I'd prefer to get stuck into whatever animal tastes the best, plain and simple. If I can do so knowing that the animal was treated as humanely as possible then fantastic, that's a worthy bonus. But if I am limited to eating something that has the texture of a rubber boot because of the minorities belief in fairy tales then I'll have something to say about it.

Agreed!! Corn-fed beef every Time!

Chuck I must admit that you are a funny guy but o so predictable, same for you by the way Koheesti.

And UG by the way.

You fell into the trap and now have openly admitted that you are stereotyping and full off prejudices.

Chuck, Kohee and UG, you all just showed you are not worthy to be posting in outside the box.

I rest my case.

If you say so buddy.

So, why is that?

And Moonraker and Chuck, if you are looking for a real juicy and tasty steak, don't go for corn fed.

I guess you guys never ate a real natural grown piece of meat in a side by side comparison.

What is "natural" grown?

So, why is that?

And Moonraker and Chuck, if you are looking for a real juicy and tasty steak, don't go for corn fed.

I guess you guys never ate a real natural grown piece of meat in a side by side comparison.

What is "natural" grown?

Why, grown naturally. Must I explain everything?

So, why is that?

And Moonraker and Chuck, if you are looking for a real juicy and tasty steak, don't go for corn fed.

I guess you guys never ate a real natural grown piece of meat in a side by side comparison.

What is "natural" grown?

Steak grown on trees fed with only natural food and no fertilisers.

You can put this withe a mosque at ground zero in NY. NOT.

And UG by the way.

You fell into the trap and now have openly admitted that you are stereotyping and full off prejudices.

Chuck, Kohee and UG, you all just showed you are not worthy to be posting in outside the box.

I rest my case.

Who died and left Alex in charge?

So, why is that?

And Moonraker and Chuck, if you are looking for a real juicy and tasty steak, don't go for corn fed.

I guess you guys never ate a real natural grown piece of meat in a side by side comparison.

What is "natural" grown?

Steak grown on trees fed with only natural food and no fertilisers.

Doesn't sound too tasty.

My wife brought home a 'natural' chicken one day. Free Range or something like that. Toughest bird I ever tried to eat...

A good steak you can find in Argentina, but the "aging" of the beef is very important as well as how it is cooked.

Had some really tasty (Halal) raised in the wild chicken last week.

Your wife might have bought a retired chicken, they can be as tough as ChuckD............

Halal meat is not necessarily grown in any way different from non-halal meat. Maybe it should be, but I know of breeders who quite happily supply to universal abbatoirs and to halal slaughterhouses.

Brings to mind a tale from my time in Iran - my daughter was then around six years old and played with all the local kids in the kouchie (small street). About twenty kids running around, nineteen black-haired, one blonde mop.

One day she comes running in, all excited. "Daddy, daddy, so-and-so (one of the kids living a few doors down) has got a pet goat!" Great, says I and think no more about it.

A week or two later she comes in, all excited again (Shiraz was that sort of place). "Daddy, daddy, they just caught the goat, tied it to the top of the car-port and killed it!".

It was then that I realised it was Hajj-time and this was the traditional sacrifice on the eve of Hajj. My daughter was not at all upset, neither were the local kids. This is their custom and everyone accepted it. After all, it is their country, their tradition, their religion. There was no proselytising there, we were not expected to become muslims, unless one wished to marry one of the local girls. But one accepted that one was a guest in the country and respected the host's way of life.

How can one turn all our immigrants into good Brits, with this sort of outlook?

And further - In Saudi I have had to send home filipino workers/wives who have been trying to convert locals. It was the only way to keep them out of jail. Also some who insisted on holding prayer meetings / bible readings after they had been warned by the local mutawwa (religious police). There are pig-headed, monocular-sighted people in many religions.

I have rambled on a bit, but there should be a balance on all this - a fair, British-based balance as would have been the case in my formative years - around the Second World War - when all we hated were the kraut eaters. (Oh, and the frogs - 'coz we've always hated them)

A good steak you can find in Argentina, but the "aging" of the beef is very important as well as how it is cooked.

Had some really tasty (Halal) raised in the wild chicken last week.

Your wife might have bought a retired chicken, they can be as tough as ChuckD............

I know English isn't your first language Alex; The usual expression is "tough as old boots".

I guess you'd heard it before and had a freudian moment, getting mixed up with the "old" bit.

A good steak you can find in Argentina, but the "aging" of the beef is very important as well as how it is cooked.

Had some really tasty (Halal) raised in the wild chicken last week.

Your wife might have bought a retired chicken, they can be as tough as ChuckD............

Built a laboratory block for one of the big chicken processors in UK once.

Was shown round the plant by the proud director.

The chickens are hooked by wire round the neck to a travelling overhead conveyor belt, then blasted with steam, plucked and killed - in that order. Evidently the feathers come out much easier if the bird is still alive.

Not plucked by hand, mind you, but by a series of rubber covered mechanical fingers, which just pull the feathers downwards. Anything left is burnt off as the chook passes through a flame.

Think of this next time you go to KFC - "It's finger-lickin' goo". d

Funny you mention KFC as last week I was in North MY and we went past a KFC. So I asked the (Muslim) guys if what they served was considered halal. O yes one said, the guy at the slaughterhouse were these chickens are killed has a button and before he presses the button (which apparently triggers something and kills the chicken) he needs to mention Allah and they were all laughing after the guy told that.

Great bunch!

Oh and HC I did mention retired......ahum.

And further - In Saudi I have had to send home filipino workers/wives who have been trying to convert locals. It was the only way to keep them out of jail. Also some who insisted on holding prayer meetings / bible readings after they had been warned by the local mutawwa (religious police). There are pig-headed, monocular-sighted people in many religions.

I've seen the mutawwa arrest a Gray Mackenzie pilot in Jeddah for trying to smuggle some bacon ashore that he'd bought off our cook.

And further - In Saudi I have had to send home filipino workers/wives who have been trying to convert locals. It was the only way to keep them out of jail. Also some who insisted on holding prayer meetings / bible readings after they had been warned by the local mutawwa (religious police). There are pig-headed, monocular-sighted people in many religions.

I've seen the mutawwa arrest a Gray Mackenzie pilot in Jeddah for trying to smuggle some bacon ashore that he'd bought off our cook.

Over there, I wonder what would happen if all school meals, were to be pork meats?

And further - In Saudi I have had to send home filipino workers/wives who have been trying to convert locals. It was the only way to keep them out of jail. Also some who insisted on holding prayer meetings / bible readings after they had been warned by the local mutawwa (religious police). There are pig-headed, monocular-sighted people in many religions.

I've seen the mutawwa arrest a Gray Mackenzie pilot in Jeddah for trying to smuggle some bacon ashore that he'd bought off our cook.

Lovely people, Gray Mackenzie - they have the distribution rights for alcohol in the Emirates. Don't know if it's a monopoly or not, but they must make good money.

(Of course, this is for non-muslim expatriate residents who have a likker card)

And further - In Saudi I have had to send home filipino workers/wives who have been trying to convert locals. It was the only way to keep them out of jail. Also some who insisted on holding prayer meetings / bible readings after they had been warned by the local mutawwa (religious police). There are pig-headed, monocular-sighted people in many religions.

I've seen the mutawwa arrest a Gray Mackenzie pilot in Jeddah for trying to smuggle some bacon ashore that he'd bought off our cook.

Lovely people, Gray Mackenzie - they have the distribution rights for alcohol in the Emirates. Don't know if it's a monopoly or not, but they must make good money.

We used to take halal killed mutton from Oz to Iran (Bandar Shapour) before the Revolution. At the time Gray Mackenzie had alcohol rights in Iran too. When Khomeini returned we stopped going there for 6 months until things calmed down a bit. We were one of the first ships back into what was now called Bandar Khomeini. All the dockers came on board and asked if we'd sell them some beer

Rumour had it that there were trucks out in the desert with millions of quid's worth of GM's booze waiting to try and get out of the country.

Should be possible.

When I left Iran (just before the Shah n Shah) we arranged a local flight from Shiraz to Busheir, as international flights were not permitted. There were only a handful of us from our construction site, but a lot of wives and children from our Irani colleagues.

When we all went to the airport the entire staff - ticket checkers, immigration, customs, what-have-you - went on a tea-break or toilet break and we all walked through and out to the aircraft.

Unfortunately the pilot lost his way and instead of landing in Busheir we wound up across the Gulf in Bahrein.

Mistakes can happen.

Would have thought the new authorities in Iran would have found a quick and simple way to get rid of the embarassment, as they did with us.