Tax

[smedly]

if I order something like exhausts value £200, how much tax will I pay through customs

[Richard-BKK]

Hmmm paying import tax in Thailand currently depends a bit where the product comes from, but as you specify English Pound Sterling you probably ordered your products in the UK...

That makes for motorcycle parts, depending on if they classified as automotive parts or general luxury products something between 80 to 120% of total duty to be paid.

And as you not a commercial entity in Thailand it's hard to tell how a customer officer will formulate your import tax. Anyway, a customer officer in Thailand doesn't need to look at the invoice accompanying the product if you're a private entity, the officer can use the local domestic retail price or on any information he can find...

(It is very funny that some people order Japanese made exhaust systems from American and European websites, while they would pay ZERO import tax if they ordered it from Japan)

[katabeachbum]

Hmmm paying import tax in Thailand currently depends a bit where the product comes from, but as you specify English Pound Sterling you probably ordered your products in the UK...

That makes for motorcycle parts, depending on if they classified as automotive parts or general luxury products something between 80 to 120% of total duty to be paid.

And as you not a commercial entity in Thailand it's hard to tell how a customer officer will formulate your import tax. Anyway, a customer officer in Thailand doesn't need to look at the invoice accompanying the product if you're a private entity, the officer can use the local domestic retail price or on any information he can find...

(It is very funny that some people order Japanese made exhaust systems from American and European websites, while they would pay ZERO import tax if they ordered it from Japan)

800 baht seems to be the lowest lucky draw and 10k baht the most unlucky bringing cans here

[LivinLOS]

You dont know till it gets here..

But I buy stuff all the time, get it sent regular air parcel (not courier DHL / UPS / Etc) and mark it at 20 USD and even large boxes seem to come through taxless.

Not once have they said 'thats too big to be 20 bucks' or ever had a questions.. Its just heres the box bye..

[Richard-BKK]

If a person in Thailand wants to follow the Thai law as indicated in the rules of this forum, to not pay to much import tax. Any tricks on how to not pay import tax is really illegal in Thailand, jail terms of 25 years... A person who want to stay well within the boundaries of the law, should look for a Japanese brandname sold in Japan and offered by one of the Japanese online shops. Or look for a Australian made exhaust system sold by an Australian online retailer, or Chinese manufactured and send from a Chinese territory to Thailand... Indian manufactured product from any Comment Welt alliance countries ...

This clearly specifies a 100% import duty free product... At first people will say what, but often US and International brand names have the capability to send Chinese products directly from the manufacturer. Same go's for Japanese and Indian made products.

Anyway, 80% of all good sport exhaust systems come from Japan. The once who not come from Japan only weight less, but offer not much performance enhancements also... (just my experience...)

Edited September 11, 2010 by Richard-BKK

[BigBikeBKK]

If a person in Thailand wants to follow the Thai law as indicated in the rules of this forum, to not pay to much import tax. Any tricks on how to not pay import tax is really illegal in Thailand, jail terms of 25 years... A person who want to stay well within the boundaries of the law, should look for a Japanese brandname sold in Japan and offered by one of the Japanese online shops. Or look for a Australian made exhaust system sold by an Australian online retailer, or Chinese manufactured and send from a Chinese territory to Thailand... Indian manufactured product from any Comment Welt alliance countries ...

This clearly specifies a 100% import duty free product... At first people will say what, but often US and International brand names have the capability to send Chinese products directly from the manufacturer. Same go's for Japanese and Indian made products.

Anyway, 80% of all good sport exhaust systems come from Japan. The once who not come from Japan only weight less, but offer not much performance enhancements also... (just my experience...)

"Comment Welt"

Good one Richard! Can we assume the rest of your post is also a bad joke? 25 years in jail for a minor customs offense?!

As usual you need to double check your "facts". Import duties on Japanese products have not been eliminated yet. They are being reduced every year but it will be some years before they are reduced to zero. Did you lose the link to the JTEPA?

"80% of all good sport exhaust systems come from Japan"?! What are you on about?! Sure, there are some good Japanese brands, I'm a big fan of K Factory, but take a look at what brands are being used in racing- I can't think of a single winning team that's running a Japanese exhaust... The most popular race pipes come from the USA and Europe.

"Comment Welt"

[Richard-BKK]

Please enlighten us with your knowledge, by the way not forget that we talk here about automotive parts of motor-vehicle not exceeding 3,000cc.

Basically some automotive parts do not quality in a engine size category, one of this products are exhaust systems.

But if you know anything we not know ….show us... links – proof

Major Japanese exhaust manufacturers setup production facilities in ASEAN countries and sending them to Japan for years wondering why they do that... For example Tsukigin Racing, Yoshimura, and a few more...

P.S.,

And sometimes you look like the Anthony the son of a Pizza baker in Rotterdam, you as stupid and stubborn...

[BigBikeBKK]

Please enlighten us with your knowledge, by the way not forget that we talk here about automotive parts of motor-vehicle not exceeding 3,000cc.

Basically some automotive parts do not quality in a engine size category, one of this products are exhaust systems.

But if you know anything we not know ….show us... links – proof

Major Japanese exhaust manufacturers setup production facilities in ASEAN countries and sending them to Japan for years wondering why they do that... For example Tsukigin Racing, Yoshimura, and a few more...

P.S.,

And sometimes you look like the Anthony the son of a Pizza baker in Rotterdam, you as stupid and stubborn...

Ah Richard...

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt — Abraham Lincoln

Yoshimura today is about as Japanese as a California Sushi Roll

THE STORY OF YOSHIMURA

Hideo “Pops” Yoshimura started the company “Yoshimura”, fifty-five years ago in Japan. Pops was trained as an airplane mechanic during the war and afterward made quite a reputation working on the BSAs and Triumphs of service men stationed in Japan. Pops had quite a talent at modifying existing parts to make more power. Although Pops worked on planes, cars, and all manner of other combustion engine powered vehicles, motorcycles were his first love.

Soon, Pops developed a large and well-earned reputation for building power. Customers flocked to Yoshimura looking for a competitive edge and Yoshimura delivered it. The company prospered but Pops wanted more.

Pops had long been fascinated by the fabled Daytona 200 and its high-banked circuit. He established racing there as a goal and sure enough – soon was making the trek to the USA and Florida in particular. In 1971 Pops added to Yoshimura Japan by opening a shop in Los Angeles. Yoshimura Research and Development of America, Inc. was born and Pops pulled out all the stops.

Then in 1976, the first official AMA Superbike series was established and the first race was… Daytona. As the 200 was reserved for two-stroke 500s in that era, this was a great chance for Pops to race Daytona and hopefully… win!

Initial Yoshimura efforts were with Kawasaki motorcycles and a young rider named Wes Cooley. Wes had an exciting riding style that was very much in tune with the emerging sport. However,instead of the standard riding style of proper corner approach,apex, and exit… Wes and Pops had a new play-book that would set the Café racers of that era down the path of the Dodo bird.

Wes would come flying into corners more or less out of control,back the big Yoshimura KZ1000 in with tire smoking, scrub off some speed as he slid right through the apex, and then, hammer the brutal power of Pops’s engine to the stops. The Kawasaki was long on power but short on handling, but Wes rode the wheels off of that thing. The crowd was amazed by the incredible exhibition of riding (and tire smoking power) but at the end of the day…Pops didn’t win. Fourth was as good as it got for the Yoshimura team in ‘76… but a seed was planted.

In 1977 much the same occurred at Daytona. Yoshimura move done step closer to victory. Yoshimura and Wes scored a trip to the podium with a fine third place finish.

In 1978, what would prove to be a long relationship formed with Suzuki. Yoshimura switched over to that brand and the results were immediate. The new Suzukis made massive power and… they also had a chassis that handled! Pops knew that the competition was in serious trouble and he was right. Steve McLaughlin won the Daytona Superbike race for Suzuki on a Yoshimura built GS1000.

In ‘79, Yoshimura got out the broom! Team Yoshimura racers Ron Pierce, Wes Cooley and Dave Emde finished one-two-three at Daytona. This incredible victory was the first time a team swept the podium in an AMA Superbike race. It was just the start of things to come. From 1978 through 1981, Yoshimura and Suzuki won four straight Daytona Superbike races. This had never been done before and the legend continued to grow. In the meantime, Wes was on fire in the series and won the 1979 and 1980 AMA Superbike titles… the Yoshimura legend was being carved out one win at a time.

Yoshimura’s innovative “hands-on” engine building techniques,relentless work ethic, and racing success quickly built an even larger following. All of this was going on while the top Japanese manufacturers proliferated lightweight, high-powered new motorcycles. Sometimes timing is everything, and Yoshimura is proof. Pops came along at a salient point in the beginning of Superbikes and performed. The hard work paid off and the company was growing.

In 1981, Pops went back home to Japan placing son Fujio Yoshimura here to take Yoshimura R&D of America to the next level. Through the late 70’s and early 80’s, Fujio’s creative foresight and innovative design helped Yoshimura R&D of America Inc. to become a leader in the art and science of sportbike performance technology.

Pops meanwhile concentrated on growing Yoshimura Japan, but would still come out for Daytona every year. In his later years, Pops enjoyed his success and accomplishments – but he never lost the passion to create performance and win races. Pops passed away in 1995, but his legacy will live forever in the history of Superbike racing.

Senior Vice President, Don Sakakura, has been running the racing efforts for many years now. Starting as a mechanic, Don rose through the ranks to the level where today he is running one of the largest racing efforts in America. Don oversees the day to day operation of the Team Yoshimura Suzuki Road Race Team with riders Mladin, Hayden, and Young. Don also oversees Yoshimura’s motocross and supercross collaboration with Team Suzuki, Team Honda support, Team Rockstar Suzuki and Team 199 with rider Travis Pastrana. Don has been instrumental in the many championships that Yoshimura has won over the years and there are many more to be won on the horizon.

When Pops decided to retire, Fujio headed back home to run Yoshimura Japan. In his place, Suehiro Watanabe, or “Nabe”, became the head of Yoshimura R&D of America. Nabe was not only an accomplished mechanic but he had an intuitive understanding of the manufacturing process. He has developed many new manufacturing techniques, which have helped put Yoshimura at the forefront of the aftermarket exhaust industry.

[Richard-BKK]

Please enlighten us with your knowledge, by the way not forget that we talk here about automotive parts of motor-vehicle not exceeding 3,000cc.

Basically some automotive parts do not quality in a engine size category, one of this products are exhaust systems.

But if you know anything we not know ….show us... links – proof

Major Japanese exhaust manufacturers setup production facilities in ASEAN countries and sending them to Japan for years wondering why they do that... For example Tsukigin Racing, Yoshimura, and a few more...

P.S.,

And sometimes you look like the Anthony the son of a Pizza baker in Rotterdam, you as stupid and stubborn...

Ah Richard...

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt — Abraham Lincoln

Yoshimura today is about as Japanese as a California Sushi Roll

THE STORY OF YOSHIMURA

Maybe you have to think a bit bigger than just the Yoshimura Research and Development department, Yoshimura head office is located in 6748 Nakatsu, Aikawa-Machi, Aiko-Gun, Kanagawa-Pref. 243-0303, Japan http://www.yoshimura-jp.com/en/company/outline.html

According to the Yoshimura company who is who map, the Research and Development department is pretty low.

[Richard-BKK]

Back to the actual discussion of import tax, imported (from Japan) Suzuki parts are in Thailand cheaper than in Germany, or the USA.

For example Suzuki part no. 09160-25056-000 (this is a clutch sleeve hub - washer for a Suzuki GSX1300R, which is something we have on stock for 242 Bht.

In Germany the identical part costs 8,54 Euro (+/- 341 Bht) http://mot1.de/shop/details,0,01188118,Suzuki++SCHEIBE.html

I include a screen print of the Official Suzuki parts price list...

Edited September 18, 2010 by Richard-BKK

[Thunderbird4ever]

Hmmm paying import tax in Thailand currently depends a bit where the product comes from, but as you specify English Pound Sterling you probably ordered your products in the UK...

That makes for motorcycle parts, depending on if they classified as automotive parts or general luxury products something between 80 to 120% of total duty to be paid.

And as you not a commercial entity in Thailand it's hard to tell how a customer officer will formulate your import tax. Anyway, a customer officer in Thailand doesn't need to look at the invoice accompanying the product if you're a private entity, the officer can use the local domestic retail price or on any information he can find...

(It is very funny that some people order Japanese made exhaust systems from American and European websites, while they would pay ZERO import tax if they ordered it from Japan)

Thats just total BS! I ve ordered many parts for motorbikes and never asked anyone to write down the bill. Most expensive i bought overseas that was sent to here was a pumper carb from US to 20000 baht. It was charged with approx 1000 b tax in customs. Never have I heard of someone being taxed 100% for some parts to bikes.

[Richard-BKK]

Hmmm paying import tax in Thailand currently depends a bit where the product comes from, but as you specify English Pound Sterling you probably ordered your products in the UK...

That makes for motorcycle parts, depending on if they classified as automotive parts or general luxury products something between 80 to 120% of total duty to be paid.

And as you not a commercial entity in Thailand it's hard to tell how a customer officer will formulate your import tax. Anyway, a customer officer in Thailand doesn't need to look at the invoice accompanying the product if you're a private entity, the officer can use the local domestic retail price or on any information he can find...

(It is very funny that some people order Japanese made exhaust systems from American and European websites, while they would pay ZERO import tax if they ordered it from Japan)

Thats just total BS! I ve ordered many parts for motorbikes and never asked anyone to write down the bill. Most expensive i bought overseas that was sent to here was a pumper carb from US to 20000 baht. It was charged with approx 1000 b tax in customs. Never have I heard of someone being taxed 100% for some parts to bikes.

It's no BS, it is the official way, but this is Thailand and customs do not check all packages entering the country. For your most expensive carburetor you imported, it was likely a Mikuni and the custom officers after a few seconds of laughing did let you go with a low import duty (a good amount of Mikuni carburetors are made in Ayuttaya, Thailand).

[BigBikeBKK]

Back to the actual discussion of import tax, imported (from Japan) Suzuki parts are in Thailand cheaper than in Germany, or the USA.

For example Suzuki part no. 09160-25056-000 (this is a clutch sleeve hub - washer for a Suzuki GSX1300R, which is something we have on stock for 242 Bht.

In Germany the identical part costs 8,54 Euro (+/- 341 Bht) http://mot1.de/shop/...i++SCHEIBE.html

I include a screen print of the Official Suzuki parts price list...

As usual Richard's just going from dumb to dumber.

First it seems he hasn't grasped the concept of retail and wholesale...

Second, you made up that "Official Suzuki Parts List" because as we all know Suzuki still doesn't have any big bike dealers in Thailand

You can't walk in to a Suzuki scooter shop and order OEM parts for bikes that Suzuki doesn't sell in Thailand. Duh!

[Thunderbird4ever]

It's no BS, it is the official way, but this is Thailand and customs do not check all packages entering the country. For your most expensive carburetor you imported, it was likely a Mikuni and the custom officers after a few seconds of laughing did let you go with a low import duty (a good amount of Mikuni carburetors are made in Ayuttaya, Thailand).

I think now he actually bypassed dumber and went straight to dumbest. It was an Edelbrock from US, made in US and for a big thumper.

Where the heck do you get your ideas from and what are you on? Must be some serious stuff you inhale everyday.

[Richard-BKK]

Tony are you sure, check http://www.suzukismb.com They have in stock big bike parts for several models.

[BigBikeBKK]

Tony are you sure, check http://www.suzukismb.com They have in stock big bike parts for several models.

LOL Thunderbird Dumbest indeed!

The only things for sale on the site you referenced above are scooters and accessories. Please show me where I can order parts for my GSXR 1000, thanks!

Richard, just because the Suzuki website shows big bikes doesn't mean you can actually order them. Wow SP Suzuki Thailand sure made asses of themselves when they presented all those bikes at the Bangkok Motor Show and even a price list but couldn't deliver a single unit. Did you miss the little news flash shortly thereafter when Suzuki Japan fired SP Suzuki Thailand? I know your English comprehension isn't all that good but do you understand the expression "read between the lines"?

Just because they still have pictures of big bikes on their website: http://www.thaisuzuk...hai/bigbike.php does not mean they are actually for sale. TiT Richard, you should know better.

Edited September 18, 2010 by BigBikeBKK

[LivinLOS]

Hmmm paying import tax in Thailand currently depends a bit where the product comes from, but as you specify English Pound Sterling you probably ordered your products in the UK...

That makes for motorcycle parts, depending on if they classified as automotive parts or general luxury products something between 80 to 120% of total duty to be paid.

And as you not a commercial entity in Thailand it's hard to tell how a customer officer will formulate your import tax. Anyway, a customer officer in Thailand doesn't need to look at the invoice accompanying the product if you're a private entity, the officer can use the local domestic retail price or on any information he can find...

(It is very funny that some people order Japanese made exhaust systems from American and European websites, while they would pay ZERO import tax if they ordered it from Japan)

Thats just total BS! I ve ordered many parts for motorbikes and never asked anyone to write down the bill. Most expensive i bought overseas that was sent to here was a pumper carb from US to 20000 baht. It was charged with approx 1000 b tax in customs. Never have I heard of someone being taxed 100% for some parts to bikes.

Send it DHL and put the full value.. Then come back and post..

Can be some shockers..

[BigBikeBKK]

Send it DHL and put the full value.. Then come back and post..

Can be some shockers..

Indeed! But that's because of the scam that the private couriers have going with Thai customs. The big private couriers like FedEx, DHL and UPS get a "cut" of whatever duty is collected so you can be assured they will charge the absolute maximum and then some. You can even negotiate with the greedy bastards if you're in the mood!

Avoid private couriers and receive via Thailand Post and you will "only" be charged normal Thai duty which, depending on the item, usually comes to about 30-40% of declared value. It's rather inconsistent really- sometimes the duty is a bit higher, sometimes a bit lower, but for me it seems to average out to about 30-40% of declared value and I order quite a lot of bike parts from Europe and the US.

[Richard-BKK]

It's no BS, it is the official way, but this is Thailand and customs do not check all packages entering the country. For your most expensive carburetor you imported, it was likely a Mikuni and the custom officers after a few seconds of laughing did let you go with a low import duty (a good amount of Mikuni carburetors are made in Ayuttaya, Thailand).

I think now he actually bypassed dumber and went straight to dumbest. It was an Edelbrock from US, made in US and for a big thumper.

Where the heck do you get your ideas from and what are you on? Must be some serious stuff you inhale everyday.

In a country (Thailand) where almost every combustion engine now-a-day is equipped with a fuel-injection system, an USA build Edelbrock carburetor will look ancient, and as the carburetor had no official papers declaring the value it's very likely that the Thai Customs officer saw your brand new carburetor as secondhand...

[Richard-BKK]

Send it DHL and put the full value.. Then come back and post..

Can be some shockers..

Indeed! But that's because of the scam that the private couriers have going with Thai customs. The big private couriers like FedEx, DHL and UPS get a "cut" of whatever duty is collected so you can be assured they will charge the absolute maximum and then some. You can even negotiate with the greedy bastards if you're in the mood!

Avoid private couriers and receive via Thailand Post and you will "only" be charged normal Thai duty which, depending on the item, usually comes to about 30-40% of declared value. It's rather inconsistent really- sometimes the duty is a bit higher, sometimes a bit lower, but for me it seems to average out to about 30-40% of declared value and I order quite a lot of bike parts from Europe and the US.

FedEx, DHL and UPS scam wow it becomes more interesting...

[LivinLOS]

It's no BS, it is the official way, but this is Thailand and customs do not check all packages entering the country. For your most expensive carburetor you imported, it was likely a Mikuni and the custom officers after a few seconds of laughing did let you go with a low import duty (a good amount of Mikuni carburetors are made in Ayuttaya, Thailand).

I think now he actually bypassed dumber and went straight to dumbest. It was an Edelbrock from US, made in US and for a big thumper.

Where the heck do you get your ideas from and what are you on? Must be some serious stuff you inhale everyday.

In a country (Thailand) where almost every combustion engine now-a-day is equipped with a fuel-injection system, an USA build Edelbrock carburetor will look ancient, and as the carburetor had no official papers declaring the value it's very likely that the Thai Customs officer saw your brand new carburetor as secondhand...

While I agree that the postal service peeps are far cheaper, I think its down to apathy more than it being the rules.. If you go to the customs office and check in the 'big book' which I did a few times when I first came here, theres a shocking cascade of different taxes layering on top of each other.

[BigBikeBKK]

FedEx, DHL and UPS scam wow it becomes more interesting...

Welcome to Thailand :jap:

[Thunderbird4ever]

It's no BS, it is the official way, but this is Thailand and customs do not check all packages entering the country. For your most expensive carburetor you imported, it was likely a Mikuni and the custom officers after a few seconds of laughing did let you go with a low import duty (a good amount of Mikuni carburetors are made in Ayuttaya, Thailand).

I think now he actually bypassed dumber and went straight to dumbest. It was an Edelbrock from US, made in US and for a big thumper.

Where the heck do you get your ideas from and what are you on? Must be some serious stuff you inhale everyday.

In a country (Thailand) where almost every combustion engine now-a-day is equipped with a fuel-injection system, an USA build Edelbrock carburetor will look ancient, and as the carburetor had no official papers declaring the value it's very likely that the Thai Customs officer saw your brand new carburetor as secondhand...

Really.. what are you having over there in the evenings. Must be some strong shit dude!

1. So the customs officer saw the brand new Edelbrock in a box with brand new instruction manuals, some tools for it etc as a second hand.

2. And it had no official papers.

3. And a customs officer in Thailand, the land of small bikes which all have carburators except for some last years few Honda models and he would know about injection systerms.

So according to your fuel injection now a day vehichles, it is a lots of fuel injection systems for bikes then coming through the customs. So when he see a carburator its just something ancient so it doesnt matter.

Have it ever occured to you that a thaI custom officer is not in the motorcycle part industry. He might see a carburator once a month and shit loads of all other stuff for all other things.

Your almost qualifying as a mental with those statements of yours. I hope you re not out on the roads on a bike but stay put in that chair having whatever your having and with your door locked from the outside.

You re unbelivable!