The subject of Australia being invaded by one of her (his?) neighbors for land and resources has come up more than once around here. Usually it is scoffed at as "never happen" by some.

Now I'm watching a movie based on a popular book series about this very topic, "Tomorrow When the War Began". It's basically an Aussie remake of that old Patrick Swayze film, "Red Dawn".

http://www.twtwb.com/#/synopsis

So how about it? Does Australia have anything to worry about? I don't think major population centers would be attacked, but I can see the top western chunk being over run in our lifetimes.

The Chinese might like the top half of WA, but that would be heavy industry getting involved.

Not an invasion for land for starving, over-populated countries, solely the stealing of resources.

But I reckon they'll head North first - the Eastern Siberian areas are richer in resources than Oz, although more difficult to extract.

In the movie is wasn't necessarily the Chinese, it was called "the Coalition" and at least the soldiers they showed looked Chinese. And you're right it was a war for oil, er, other resources.

I think the "war for resources" that China starts will be for women. They have a real shortage over there.

So Australian women are considered a resource?

So Australian women are considered a resource?

Yup.

Just not as valuable as sheep.

So Australian women are considered a resource?

Yup.

Just not as valuable as sheep.

And probably not worth travelling all that way for. No offense intended to Aussie ladies. The Chinese would likely go to neighboring countries like Vietnam, Laos, Burma North Korea - even Russia - for them. Easier to drag by the hair over the border than bringing them all the way from souther Australia (since practically no one lives in the northern part).

Actually China has been on a buying spree of resources for awhile now.

Then again who can blame them.....On the one hand tough times ahead & on the other they hold way too much scrip from the US & may as well use it as fast as possible. Even then it is probably devaluing faster than they can spend it without causing their own surpluses to loose at an even faster rate.

But hey they are in a better position than most to set up their futures.

Google... China buying resources...for various examples

from my understanding it is not the chinese that worry the Oz but the Indonesians at least while Suharto was in power.

No country will invade Australia for land or resources.

The closest largest country is China and quite a bit larger than Australia; no country, including China will invade Australia for their resources. Mergers and buy-outs is another thing and depending on Australian laws, present or future ones.

But mergers and buy-outs are still much cheaper than to go to war and invade another country for land and/or resources and no one sane would want to create WWIII.

A more important issue is WATER....wars could be started in the future over access to water and the most likely place such a war will occur is not Australia but the Middle East......IF.....mankind can't find a quick and cheap(er) solution than the very expensive desalination process as known now.

Quite a few countries, including Australia use plants for the desalination of sea water.

China is building a huge $ 1.8B megaproject, to pump desalinated water in enormous amounts to the west of China to fight the growing desert and severe droughts, the same as all over Asia.

LaoPo

No country will invade Australia for land or resources.

The closest largest country is China and quite a bit larger than Australia; no country, including China will invade Australia for their resources. Mergers and buy-outs is another thing and depending on Australian laws, present or future ones.

But mergers and buy-outs are still much cheaper than to go to war and invade another country for land and/or resources and no one sane would want to create WWIII.

A more important issue is WATER....wars could be started in the future over access to water and the most likely place such a war will occur is not Australia but the Middle East......IF.....mankind can't find a quick and cheap(er) solution than the very expensive desalination process as known now.

Quite a few countries, including Australia use plants for the desalination of sea water.

China is building a huge $ 1.8B megaproject, to pump desalinated water in enormous amounts to the west of China to fight the growing desert and severe droughts, the same as all over Asia.

LaoPo

australia population 23 million active militray military 80,000. Indonesia pop 300 million active military 300 thousand. the australians have already shown their concern with indo in on several occassions,

The Japanese were close to invading in 1942 but "you-know-who" was in the area and helped put that little idea to flight.

Well I heard that the Borneo natives are running out of shrunken heads. They might be a threat.

No country will invade Australia for land or resources.

The closest largest country is China and quite a bit larger than Australia; no country, including China will invade Australia for their resources. Mergers and buy-outs is another thing and depending on Australian laws, present or future ones.

But mergers and buy-outs are still much cheaper than to go to war and invade another country for land and/or resources and no one sane would want to create WWIII.

A more important issue is WATER....wars could be started in the future over access to water and the most likely place such a war will occur is not Australia but the Middle East......IF.....mankind can't find a quick and cheap(er) solution than the very expensive desalination process as known now.

Quite a few countries, including Australia use plants for the desalination of sea water.

China is building a huge $ 1.8B megaproject, to pump desalinated water in enormous amounts to the west of China to fight the growing desert and severe droughts, the same as all over Asia.

LaoPo

Yes, water is what future invasions/wars will be about, and China may be an agressor there. Water and arable land. SE Asia will be first on the agenda on both counts.

The Japanese were close to invading in 1942 but "you-know-who" was in the area and helped put that little idea to flight.

"Close to invading" indeed!!!! Hahaha. Dream on about your great heroic "you know who".

No country will invade Australia for land or resources.

The closest largest country is China and quite a bit larger than Australia; no country, including China will invade Australia for their resources. Mergers and buy-outs is another thing and depending on Australian laws, present or future ones.

But mergers and buy-outs are still much cheaper than to go to war and invade another country for land and/or resources and no one sane would want to create WWIII.

A more important issue is WATER....wars could be started in the future over access to water and the most likely place such a war will occur is not Australia but the Middle East......IF.....mankind can't find a quick and cheap(er) solution than the very expensive desalination process as known now.

Quite a few countries, including Australia use plants for the desalination of sea water.

China is building a huge $ 1.8B megaproject, to pump desalinated water in enormous amounts to the west of China to fight the growing desert and severe droughts, the same as all over Asia.

LaoPo

Yes, water is what future invasions/wars will be about, and China may be an agressor there. Water and arable land. SE Asia will be first on the agenda on both counts.

The biggest problems are the glaciers in the Himalaya and Tibet plateau.....they're getting smaller and smaller already, the same as Greenland shows more land than ever before.

Mankind doesn't realise yet that we can't continue the way we do, meaning an ever increasing population.....whilst Mother Earth didn't grow;

some examples?

World Population:

1800 : 900 million

1900 : 1,608 Billion = only a PLUS of 708 million in 100 years...

2000 : 6,080 Billion = PLUS 4,472 Billion in 100 years.

Projection for 2050: 9,850 Billion people and that's PLUS 9 BILLION PEOPLE in just 250 years

from: http://www.vaughns-1...tion-growth.htm

LaoPo

The Japanese were close to invading in 1942 but "you-know-who" was in the area and helped put that little idea to flight.

From Wikipedia: Military History of Australia in World War Two). I don't know if it's correct or not.

Despite Australian fears, the Japanese never intended to invade the Australian mainland. While an invasion was considered by the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters in February 1942, it was judged to be beyond the Japanese military's capabilities and no planning or other preparations were undertaken.^[95] Instead, in March 1942 the Japanese military adopted a strategy of isolating Australia from the United States by capturing Port Moresby in New Guinea and the Solomon Islands, Fiji, Samoa and New Caledonia.^[96] This plan was frustrated by the Japanese defeat in the Battle of the Coral Sea and was postponed indefinitely after the Battle of Midway.^[97] While these battles ended the threat to Australia, the Australian government continued to warn that an invasion was possible until mid-1943.

I seem to remember from RAAF intel briefings many years ago that in the age of long-range missiles (from Cam Ranh Bay in those days) Australia would be very easy to disable, but very difficult to invade.

The Japanese were close to invading in 1942 but "you-know-who" was in the area and helped put that little idea to flight.

From Wikipedia: Military History of Australia in World War Two). I don't know if it's correct or not.

Despite Australian fears, the Japanese never intended to invade the Australian mainland. While an invasion was considered by the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters in February 1942, it was judged to be beyond the Japanese military's capabilities and no planning or other preparations were undertaken.^[95] Instead, in March 1942 the Japanese military adopted a strategy of isolating Australia from the United States by capturing Port Moresby in New Guinea and the Solomon Islands, Fiji, Samoa and New Caledonia.^[96] This plan was frustrated by the Japanese defeat in the Battle of the Coral Sea and was postponed indefinitely after the Battle of Midway.^[97] While these battles ended the threat to Australia, the Australian government continued to warn that an invasion was possible until mid-1943.

I seem to remember from RAAF intel briefings many years ago that in the age of long-range missiles (from Cam Ranh Bay in those days) Australia would be very easy to disable, but very difficult to invade.

We always forget that the populations were a lot smaller than we have now.

Australia had a mere 7 million people in 1942 versus 21,5 million now.

Japan had around 73-75 million people in the 1940's versus some 127 million in 2010 with a fast greying population. (projection in 2060....85 million and only 45 million left in 2100.....) *

Australia was too huge of a country/continent to occupy (if they wanted) and they probably didn't have enough staff/military and material to do such a job anyway.

* http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Population_of_Japan_since_1872.svg

LaoPo

No country will invade Australia for land or resources.

The closest largest country is China and quite a bit larger than Australia; no country, including China will invade Australia for their resources. Mergers and buy-outs is another thing and depending on Australian laws, present or future ones.

But mergers and buy-outs are still much cheaper than to go to war and invade another country for land and/or resources and no one sane would want to create WWIII.

A more important issue is WATER....wars could be started in the future over access to water and the most likely place such a war will occur is not Australia but the Middle East......IF.....mankind can't find a quick and cheap(er) solution than the very expensive desalination process as known now.

Quite a few countries, including Australia use plants for the desalination of sea water.

China is building a huge $ 1.8B megaproject, to pump desalinated water in enormous amounts to the west of China to fight the growing desert and severe droughts, the same as all over Asia.

LaoPo

australia population 23 million active militray military 80,000. Indonesia pop 300 million active military 300 thousand. the australians have already shown their concern with indo in on several occassions,

The population of the north-western chunk of Australia by Indonesia is under one million. It's there practically free for the taking if Indonesia ever decides they want it.

Northern Territory population 230,000

Western Australia population 2.3 million (1.6 million of that down south in Perth)

The Japanese were close to invading in 1942 but "you-know-who" was in the area and helped put that little idea to flight.

From Wikipedia: Military History of Australia in World War Two). I don't know if it's correct or not.

Instead, in March 1942 the Japanese military adopted a strategy of isolating Australia from the United States by capturing Port Moresby in New Guinea and the Solomon Islands, Fiji, Samoa and New Caledonia.^[96] This plan was frustrated by the Japanese defeat in the Battle of the Coral Sea and was postponed indefinitely after the Battle of Midway.^[97] While these battles ended the threat to Australia, the Australian government continued to warn that an invasion was possible until mid-1943.

Ah yes, those heroic Aussie military victories in the Coral Sea and Midway saved the day all right.

The Japanese were close to invading in 1942 but "you-know-who" was in the area and helped put that little idea to flight.

From Wikipedia: Military History of Australia in World War Two). I don't know if it's correct or not.

Instead, in March 1942 the Japanese military adopted a strategy of isolating Australia from the United States by capturing Port Moresby in New Guinea and the Solomon Islands, Fiji, Samoa and New Caledonia.^[96] This plan was frustrated by the Japanese defeat in the Battle of the Coral Sea and was postponed indefinitely after the Battle of Midway.^[97] While these battles ended the threat to Australia, the Australian government continued to warn that an invasion was possible until mid-1943.

Ah yes, those heroic Aussie military victories in the Coral Sea and Midway saved the day all right.

I didn't read the article as suggesting this. Midway and Coral Sea were both US-Japan battles, though three Australian vessels were involved in the Coral Sea battle.

The Australians were fighting a jungle war in New Guinea. They were also engaged in guerilla war and commando operations(C-force?) in Timor. (I can remember some things!)

This from an interesting read. Members might want to open the link provided.

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While the Americans struggled to send enough men and arms to protect Australia, the Japanese rapidly consolidated their gains in the South Pacific. The Imperial Japanese Navy exercised theater control in the South Pacific through its Southeastern Fleet, headquartered at Rabaul. The Imperial Japanese Army organized its troops in the area into the Seventeenth Army, commanded by Lt. Gen. Harukichi Hyakutake. Imperial forces built naval port facilities, leveled land for airfields, and fortified jungled hill masses to hold the islands they had taken and to support subsequent operations on the march to Australia. Each island group had at least one strongpoint; some had several. Large bases were built in the Palaus and the Carolines and at Rabaul in the Bismarcks. Smaller bases held the Marshalls and the Gilberts, in addition to New Britain and New Ireland in the Bismarcks and Buka, Bougainville, and Guadalcanal in the Solomons. By the middle of 1942 the American Joint Chiefs faced options of dubious merit: they could find the Japanese in almost any direction they turned.

Story here: http://www.history.army.mil/brochures/72-8/72-8.htm

The population of the north-western chunk of Australia by Indonesia is under one million. It's there practically free for the taking if Indonesia ever decides they want it.

Northern Territory population 230,000

Western Australia population 2.3 million (1.6 million of that down south in Perth)

What an incredibly stupid post!

So, if Indo decided to invade, the battle would be decided because they would have 300,000 troops sitting in Northern Australia fighting the local residents?

Indonesia only has 49 active, and aging, combat aircraft. Their ability to operate far from home base would be very suspect.

Oz currently has 71 FA18s and three airbases across the Northern coast. (Learmonth, Derby and Darwin)Australia is also organising to buy 100 F35s over the next few years.

Australia's airforce, with their US made aircraft, are vastly superior and would wipe any Indon invading force out of the sky and off the ocean. The 300,000 troops would never get to wander around lost in some of the hottest and most inhospitable country on the planet!

Also, although larger in numbers, Indos navy is largely designed around small, fast patrol boats more suited to guard their many islands and straits rather than form an invading force outside their waters. They are reputed to have two Kilo class Russian subs, but it seems the sale hasn't yet been completed as they haven't the money to complete the sale.

Australia has 6 Collins class subs, vastly superior to any Indo may have. (Although there is some questions about their reliability) They would have a field day sinking the Indo invading ships!

In short Oz would wipe the skys and seas clean of any invading Indo force before they could occupy any large part of Australia. And that's without calling on our secret weapon!

We've backed the US in every war they've started from Vietnam to Afganistan. They would be obligated to come to our assistance in this very unlikely scenario.

And those 300,000 troops are very ordinary, under equiped and under trained. Their elite commando troops are somewhat better having been trained by Australia's SAS. Although they mainly utilize these skills by killing and torturing East Timorese and West Papuan civilians.

We've backed the US in every war they've started from Vietnam to Afganistan. They would be obligated to come to our assistance in this very unlikely scenario.

Australia is a major ally.

We've backed the US in every war they've started from Vietnam to Afganistan. They would be obligated to come to our assistance in this very unlikely scenario.

Australia is a major ally.

Let's hope nothing happens before 1/21/2013. No telling who Obama will back.

We've backed the US in every war they've started from Vietnam to Afganistan. They would be obligated to come to our assistance in this very unlikely scenario.

Australia is a major ally.

Let's hope nothing happens before 1/21/2013. No telling who Obama will back.

Just a correction, Australia didn't get to Grenada. The troops were packed and sitting in the Qantas charter when the Americans said don't come, I think we've got this one licked! Clint Eastwood is on the job!

(this is a thread about movies isn't it?)

What an incredibly stupid post!

what did you expect from a thread with the incredibly stupid title "War! Australia Invaded!"

This from an interesting read. Members might want to open the link provided.

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While the Americans struggled to send enough men and arms to protect Australia, the Japanese rapidly consolidated their gains in the South Pacific. The Imperial Japanese Navy exercised theater control in the South Pacific through its Southeastern Fleet, headquartered at Rabaul. The Imperial Japanese Army organized its troops in the area into the Seventeenth Army, commanded by Lt. Gen. Harukichi Hyakutake. Imperial forces built naval port facilities, leveled land for airfields, and fortified jungled hill masses to hold the islands they had taken and to support subsequent operations on the march to Australia. Each island group had at least one strongpoint; some had several. Large bases were built in the Palaus and the Carolines and at Rabaul in the Bismarcks. Smaller bases held the Marshalls and the Gilberts, in addition to New Britain and New Ireland in the Bismarcks and Buka, Bougainville, and Guadalcanal in the Solomons. By the middle of 1942 the American Joint Chiefs faced options of dubious merit: they could find the Japanese in almost any direction they turned.

Story here: http://www.history.a...s/72-8/72-8.htm

Your article is written,

From:

U.S. ARMY CENTER OF MILITARY HISTORY

http://www.history.army.mil/

...every country writes it's own history books and every school has it's own, country written, history books; NEVER books written by another country or historians

The same as the Japanese never taught their school children the truth about WWII, only their own vision.

We have to read those articles with clear-glass spectacles not the colored ones we are forced upon by our respective governments

LaoPo

Clint Eastwood is on the job!

(this is a thread about movies isn't it?)

It is dear Croc, it is; however, the OP made a minor mistake in the topic title...

It should read:

"War! Australia Invaded by Mia Nois!"

LaoPo

This from an interesting read. Members might want to open the link provided.

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While the Americans struggled to send enough men and arms to protect Australia, the Japanese rapidly consolidated their gains in the South Pacific. The Imperial Japanese Navy exercised theater control in the South Pacific through its Southeastern Fleet, headquartered at Rabaul. The Imperial Japanese Army organized its troops in the area into the Seventeenth Army, commanded by Lt. Gen. Harukichi Hyakutake. Imperial forces built naval port facilities, leveled land for airfields, and fortified jungled hill masses to hold the islands they had taken and to support subsequent operations on the march to Australia. Each island group had at least one strongpoint; some had several. Large bases were built in the Palaus and the Carolines and at Rabaul in the Bismarcks. Smaller bases held the Marshalls and the Gilberts, in addition to New Britain and New Ireland in the Bismarcks and Buka, Bougainville, and Guadalcanal in the Solomons. By the middle of 1942 the American Joint Chiefs faced options of dubious merit: they could find the Japanese in almost any direction they turned.

Story here: http://www.history.a...s/72-8/72-8.htm

Your article is written,

From:

U.S. ARMY CENTER OF MILITARY HISTORY

http://www.history.army.mil/

...every country writes it's own history books and every school has it's own, country written, history books; NEVER books written by another country or historians

The same as the Japanese never taught their school children the truth about WWII, only their own vision.

We have to read those articles with clear-glass spectacles not the colored ones we are forced upon by our respective governments

LaoPo

Please point out any mistakes you have found. I am certain the Department of Defense would appreciate any corrections.

This from an interesting read. Members might want to open the link provided.

_______________________________________________________

While the Americans struggled to send enough men and arms to protect Australia, the Japanese rapidly consolidated their gains in the South Pacific. The Imperial Japanese Navy exercised theater control in the South Pacific through its Southeastern Fleet, headquartered at Rabaul. The Imperial Japanese Army organized its troops in the area into the Seventeenth Army, commanded by Lt. Gen. Harukichi Hyakutake. Imperial forces built naval port facilities, leveled land for airfields, and fortified jungled hill masses to hold the islands they had taken and to support subsequent operations on the march to Australia. Each island group had at least one strongpoint; some had several. Large bases were built in the Palaus and the Carolines and at Rabaul in the Bismarcks. Smaller bases held the Marshalls and the Gilberts, in addition to New Britain and New Ireland in the Bismarcks and Buka, Bougainville, and Guadalcanal in the Solomons. By the middle of 1942 the American Joint Chiefs faced options of dubious merit: they could find the Japanese in almost any direction they turned.

Story here: http://www.history.a...s/72-8/72-8.htm

Your article is written,

From:

U.S. ARMY CENTER OF MILITARY HISTORY

http://www.history.army.mil/

...every country writes it's own history books and every school has it's own, country written, history books; NEVER books written by another country or historians

The same as the Japanese never taught their school children the truth about WWII, only their own vision.

We have to read those articles with clear-glass spectacles not the colored ones we are forced upon by our respective governments

LaoPo

Please point out any mistakes you have found. I am certain the Department of Defense would appreciate any corrections.

You missed my point; it's not about mistakes, it's about the style of writing.."While the Americans struggled....".I had to smile about

It's like all movies about wars; the bad guys were always gangsters, communists, infiltrators, traitors, murderers and the good guys were always the heroes, allowed to kiss their darling upon return...

Oh, didn't we just love all those heroes....weren't we excited about John Rambo, the super hero when his first film came out almost 30 years ago ?

The difference is that I never noticed Rambo kissing his lover in the end...did he?

Of course not; he was a real tough guy and the ultimate American hero, many men liked to personify with, even the late Ronald Reagan.

LaoPo