Thailand escaped most of these changes. I don't think the women I met in Thailand in 1968 were much different than the women in Thailand in 1868. A few changes but certainly not the radical changes experienced by Western women. It doesn't make them bad but it does make them different. Thailand has changed less in the past 100 years than the West.

Thailand was shielded from the changes that took place in the rest of SE Asia during WWII, because it 'cooperated' fully with Japan and suffered far less than other countries in the region.

The Japanese were probably far less interested in the 'monkeys' of Thailand - their description - than the US/Australian troops in Vietnam.

There is only one documented case of a Japanese soldier marrying a Thai woman as far as I know during WWII.

Nor did the Japanese use Thai women as "comfort women" as they did the Koreans and Chinese women.

The reverse however is not true as a lot of Japanese women married American men after the WW II occupation.

Perhaps someone could explain this to me.

I believe then, the Japanese were very much obsessed with the idea of "racial purity", and by that I mean the Japanese race not the Asian race. Since that time I believe they have come to make exceptions for tall blondes though they are still considered to be less than the dust beneath their feet.

There are certainly plenty of half Japanese aged between 65 and 70 in the North of Thailand. There are two in our village alone... both retired successful businessmen, go figure... so I hardly thing their mothers caught them off the toilet seat.

The Americans in occupied Japan came from a culture of marriage, where if you wanted a girl you married her. Love was big on the agenda as well.

The Japanese of 1940 accepted mistresses and concubines as a normal part of society, even among the lower classes marriages were normally arranged by parents. Marriage without parental consent would have been unthinkable.

No charge Mark.

That's a better answer. it's true, there are a lot of Japanese here in Northern Thailand. Often missed because of similar features to locals. I know a couple who have taken up with local girls, built them a big house just like the farang do. The only difference is the two I know both have families in Japan, including a wife and each spends 4-6 months here per year.

No, these were born here.

And anyone thinking Japanese men won't have sex with Thai women should take a stroll down towards Sukhumvit Soi 33 some night.

The second issue is a generational thing. Men who were brought up by mothers who were adult women and married before WW II are not the same as men who were brought up by mothers raised after WW II. Before mom stayed home and raised the kids and kept house and called her husband Mister.

My 40 year old Thai GF has more in common with my mother in terms of values than my 40 year old daughters do with their grandmother. It has nothing to do with Yellow fever it has to do with values that changed in the West and will change in Thailand too but not yet. I think this value system not only has appeal to Western men but Western women also. I think that Boo and SBK would admit to liking some of the old fashioned values found in some Thai men. Of course I could be wrong about that.

Firstly, I have to take exception to your suggestion that pre-WWII women did not work. Middle class and wealthy women did not work but the vast majority of women were poor and worked alongside their children in the sweatshops or fields. Its a middle class myth that has somehow taken hold as a reality that applied to a vast majority of the country when in fact it really applied to the elite few.

And I don't have a problem with men who behave like gentlemen. My father is a gentlemen who treats my mother and his daughters with consideration, kindness, intelligence and, here's the kicker; respect. Something some men on this forum don't seem to grasp. You treat someone like dirt you aren't going to get any respect in return.

So, no I don't have an issue with men who behave like gentlemen with good manners. Its the ones who don't that I have a problem with.

The second issue is a generational thing. Men who were brought up by mothers who were adult women and married before WW II are not the same as men who were brought up by mothers raised after WW II. Before mom stayed home and raised the kids and kept house and called her husband Mister.

My 40 year old Thai GF has more in common with my mother in terms of values than my 40 year old daughters do with their grandmother. It has nothing to do with Yellow fever it has to do with values that changed in the West and will change in Thailand too but not yet. I think this value system not only has appeal to Western men but Western women also. I think that Boo and SBK would admit to liking some of the old fashioned values found in some Thai men. Of course I could be wrong about that.

Firstly, I have to take exception to your suggestion that pre-WWII women did not work. Middle class and wealthy women did not work but the vast majority of women were poor and worked alongside their children in the sweatshops or fields. Its a middle class myth that has somehow taken hold as a reality that applied to a vast majority of the country when in fact it really applied to the elite few.

And I don't have a problem with men who behave like gentlemen. My father is a gentlemen who treats my mother and his daughters with consideration, kindness, intelligence and, here's the kicker; respect. Something some men on this forum don't seem to grasp. You treat someone like dirt you aren't going to get any respect in return.

So, no I don't have an issue with men who behave like gentlemen with good manners. Its the ones who don't that I have a problem with.

During World War II the percentage of American women who worked outside the home at paying work increased from 25% to 36%. More married women, more mothers, and more minority women found jobs than had before the war.

The National Education Association's survey showed that between 1930 and 1931, 63% of cities dismissed women teachers as soon as they became married, 77% did not hire married women as new teachers.

During WWII, the female work force grew 50%, 6 million women joined the work force, 37% of adult women were working.

I guess you missed the part about fields and sweatshops? You can certainly cite statistics about women working outside the home but in no way was working on a farm "housework" and many many women did piecework from their homes. but, up to you. Live the dream.

I guess you missed the part about fields and sweatshops? You can certainly cite statistics about women working outside the home but in no way was working on a farm "housework" and many many women did piecework from their homes. but, up to you. Live the dream.

I didn't miss the point. That was the point. The change from women working in the home to women working in industry. 6 million women changed during WW II in the US alone. Before WW II the majority of women teachers were not allowed to be married. Western women began to achieve social equality as a result of WW II.

This is not my funny little idea or dream. Western women began to achieve social and economic equality as a result of WW II. America changed from a country with strong family farms to a society with large corporate agricultural conglomerates.

In 1900 41% of Americans were employed in agriculture. By 1945 that number was down to 16%. In 1970, 4%.

Thailand today, 49% employed in agriculture. So at my age if I want a girl just like the girl that married dear old dad where do I go?

Never been married or lived together with a western woman.

But I also never been to Switzerland Patsy.

Western women you ask? ...

Faith Hill comes to mind.

She has a pretty good partner in Tim McGraw.

As far as the other shit about relationships is concerned it doesn't matter who it is or where they come from. Those that have managed to stay happily married (with the stress on HAPPY) after 20 or 30 years are just plain lucky. A person can do absolutely NOTHING wrong and still wind up single.

For every Ying there is a Yang, and no one size fits all. You can't prove a specific by using a generalization. And, you can make all the assumptions based on personal experiences you like and still not be correct.

I have lived with my bad tempered Chinese wife for twenty years. Never a cross word ( she simply doesn't speak to me )

I don't care where a beautiful, elegant and sexy women comes from, if she has those qualities...

There are certainly plenty of half Japanese aged between 65 and 70 in the North of Thailand. There are two in our village alone... both retired successful businessmen, go figure... so I hardly thing their mothers caught them off the toilet seat.

The Americans in occupied Japan came from a culture of marriage, where if you wanted a girl you married her. Love was big on the agenda as well.

The Japanese of 1940 accepted mistresses and concubines as a normal part of society, even among the lower classes marriages were normally arranged by parents. Marriage without parental consent would have been unthinkable.

No charge Mark.

That's a better answer. it's true, there are a lot of Japanese here in Northern Thailand. Often missed because of similar features to locals. I know a couple who have taken up with local girls, built them a big house just like the farang do. The only difference is the two I know both have families in Japan, including a wife and each spends 4-6 months here per year.

Interesting that, I have a Filipina friend that was a mistress to a Japanese business man she meet there when we was dancing in exclusive night clubs. Together 13 years, he visited her back home in the Philippines for 2 weeks every 6 weeks or something like that. She was hoping for more, but broke it off some years back, guess he finally understood that she wasn't in a good position as she now is getting older (turned 37 recently).

Oh, and the Japanese businessman ofc had wife and kids. And an odd [typical Japanese?] fetish.

No, these were born here.

And anyone thinking Japanese men won't have sex with Thai women should take a stroll down towards Sukhumvit Soi 33 some night.

Or visit 'Japanese street' by Pat Pong...

No, these were born here.

And anyone thinking Japanese men won't have sex with Thai women should take a stroll down towards Sukhumvit Soi 33 some night.

Or visit 'Japanese street' by Pat Pong...

Or the Japanese only clubs on second road Patters

There are certainly plenty of half Japanese aged between 65 and 70 in the North of Thailand. There are two in our village alone... both retired successful businessmen, go figure... so I hardly thing their mothers caught them off the toilet seat.

The Americans in occupied Japan came from a culture of marriage, where if you wanted a girl you married her. Love was big on the agenda as well.

The Japanese of 1940 accepted mistresses and concubines as a normal part of society, even among the lower classes marriages were normally arranged by parents. Marriage without parental consent would have been unthinkable.

No charge Mark.

That's a better answer. it's true, there are a lot of Japanese here in Northern Thailand. Often missed because of similar features to locals. I know a couple who have taken up with local girls, built them a big house just like the farang do. The only difference is the two I know both have families in Japan, including a wife and each spends 4-6 months here per year.

Interesting that, I have a Filipina friend that was a mistress to a Japanese business man she meet there when we was dancing in exclusive night clubs. Together 13 years, he visited her back home in the Philippines for 2 weeks every 6 weeks or something like that. She was hoping for more, but broke it off some years back, guess he finally understood that she wasn't in a good position as she now is getting older (turned 37 recently).

Oh, and the Japanese businessman ofc had wife and kids. And an odd [typical Japanese?] fetish.

Do Japanese women have odd fetishes too? How about Swiss or Scottish women? I don't think one cay say that Asian women have a common fetish. Do Thai men have an odd fetish? Or Australian men (not talking beer or shrimp here)? A lot of Japanese men I know are really good at tying knots, I put it down to Boy Scout training, maybe I am wrong though. I am not mentioning Englishmen because I really don't want this to be too long a post.

True story, not for the faint hearted.

About twenty five years ago I ran a vice squad in Mong Kok Hong Kong ( the Walking Street of the SAR )

We started to come across some school age hookers with deformed fingers. Did some digging and raided a few private flats in expensive areas of town, and found young girls all with money in their pockets, all with deformed fingers. After some not so gentle persuasion, one "mamma san" spilt the beans.

You've guessed it, Japanese businessmen. They paid for school girl sex with a difference. These " things" enjoyed the girls screaming at the moment of ejaculation. To get this thrill, they would break their fingers, paying a great deal for the privilege.

Not a great fan of the Japanese I'm afraid.

True story, not for the faint hearted.

About twenty five years ago I ran a vice squad in Mong Kok Hong Kong ( the Walking Street of the SAR )

We started to come across some school age hookers with deformed fingers. Did some digging and raided a few private flats in expensive areas of town, and found young girls all with money in their pockets, all with deformed fingers. After some not so gentle persuasion, one "mamma san" spilt the beans.

You've guessed it, Japanese businessmen. They paid for school girl sex with a difference. These " things" enjoyed the girls screaming at the moment of ejaculation. To get this thrill, they would break their fingers, paying a great deal for the privilege.

Not a great fan of the Japanese I'm afraid.

That might explain the phoney crying that some Japanese women like to fake when making love.

As sbk says - that guy that said that women should not be seen in bars etc. really got to me.

But, back on topic, a lot of you men have been married for a long time to western women and the way you describe those years of your lives are a living hell.

And now, you have your second or third chance with a wee Thai lady and all of a sudden the woman who you married all those years and kids ago is a bitch.

So why did you marry and make a life with her in the first place.

Signed

Thunderthighs!!

Patsy, there is an old but basically true statement that says a man marries a woman expecting that she will never change... and she always changes. A woman marries a man EXPECTING to change him ... and he never changes.

This Western/Eastern woman thing..... I wonder if genetics plays a role.

I have found that non-white woman are more ogasmic than white women, generally speaking: Obviously not an across-the-board rule.

Now, I'm not talking about sluttiness, or libido, I'm talking about propensity to achieve orgasm.

I enjoy sex a whole lot more when I know my partner is also enjoying it. Of the Polynesian and Asian women I have been with, they all seem to reach orgasm sooner than the white women I have slept with, and thus seem to be more enjoyable sex partners, and thus I seek non-whites for this (until now) subconscious reason.

Or is it just me?

So you prefer a quickie?

Don't knock the quickie....

Or could be they were told to fake it, whereas western women are less likely to?

lol, dont mind me, im just stirring the pot.

Ive heard men complain about Asian women being duds in bed and unable to reach orgasm, as well as the opposite. Maybe it depends on the man, or the woman, or the combination of both partners? Maybe its not a race/culture thing at all? Maybe we are all individuals and when finding your partner sexy and into you, and vice versa, makes for mind blowing sex? but im just a humble individual, who happens to have been born female, in the west, with white skin. ..all i know is that im very very happy.

There does seem to be an undercurrent of misogyny running through quite a few posts on TVF. Western and Thai women are equal targets. Over the years having encountered a number of these hard done by individuals it's quite often a case of six of one and half a dozen of the other. I reckon a lot of these blokes need to invest in a mirror and take a long, hard look. Doubt it would do any good though.

Obviously, Patsy is venting current angst. She {and others} don't really view what's going on amongst Thai fora these days. This undercurrent that you speak off - general nastiness directed towards women.....Thai women in general. It's been my experience that very little regard and respect is extended towards Thai females. All the stereotypes, stigmas, and myths are all common cause as it applies to Thai folk and certainly Thai society.

So you prefer a quickie?

No....a darkie.

No....But it makes life a whole lot simpler if both people are sated at around the same time.

Think of toying with your food and eating much slower than your appetite demands so that your dinner partner, who is a slow eater, won't be left to finish his dinner by himself. It's polite and considerate....but takes something away from your own enjoyment.

Don't knock the quickie....

Never! Nor the dawn-breaker.

........Ive heard men complain about Asian women being duds in bed and unable to reach orgasm, as well as the opposite. Maybe it depends on the man, or the woman, or the combination of both partners? Maybe its not a race/culture thing at all? Maybe we are all individuals and when finding your partner sexy and into you, and vice versa, makes for mind blowing sex? but im just a humble individual, who happens to have been born female, in the west, with white skin. ..all i know is that im very very happy.

You could be right Eek....that's why I asked is it just me

But sincerely, it was not a claim to any greatness, it is a genuine observation of mine.

As for faking it...I have come across that in East and West........and bring on your incredulity, but I am sure I know the difference between real and fake.

Before the howls of sceptical amusement come from the women....so as not to hijack this thread, I have elaborated a bit on the topic in Secret Mens Bizzo.

*darting over to secret mens biznuz*

btw..just wish to add, i think that people should be responsible for their own orgasms. What i mean is, even when with someone, only you know what really gets you off. If woman are doing the passivity thing, and leaving guys doing all the work, and possibly doing all the work in the wrong area (especially if you leave him clueless as to what/where/how you like to be touched), then is it any surprise if shes left wanting. Im not talking about making it clinical during the act or anything! I just mean making sure you are actually really into it. Feeling relaxed, feeling good. I mean..isnt that the whole point anyway (unless only focused purely on procreational value )

I will get crucified for this, but hey never mind.

I have not ever been in a long term relationship with a Caucasian female, but from what I can see, especially here they strike me as being slovenly and not so fastidious about their personal hygiene.