Islamic extremists have launched a poster campaign across the UK proclaiming areas where Sharia law enforcement zones have been set up.

Communities have been bombarded with the posters, which read: ‘You are entering a Sharia-controlled zone – Islamic rules enforced.’

The bright yellow messages daubed on bus stops and street lamps have already been seen across certain boroughs in London and order that in the ‘zone’ there should be ‘no gambling’, ‘no music or concerts’, ‘no porn or prostitution’, ‘no drugs or smoking’ and ‘no alcohol’.

Hate preacher Anjem Choudary has claimed responsibility for the scheme, saying he plans to flood specific Muslim and non-Muslim communities around the UK and ‘put the seeds down for an Islamic Emirate in the long term’.

In the past week, dozens of streets in the London boroughs of Waltham Forest, Tower Hamlets and Newham have been targeted, raising fears that local residents may be intimidated or threatened for flouting ‘Islamic rules’.

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Strict: The posters warn passers-by that they are entering a zone where Islamic rules, such as 'no alcohol', are 'enforced'

I'd like to see them enforce this in Newham on a Saturday afternoon. A load of nonsense.

If I keep reiterating my point will anyone listen?

Oh no hang on that's not what I meant to say....double post...was that it?

Such a lovely day don't you think....

Such a lovely day don't you think....

for a pint, game of cards and a bit of music ...

It sounds like a "false flag mission"....some anti-Muslim sowing seeds of resentment.

I don't allege that though...I accept (with the normal Daily Mail's worth of a grain of salt) that it is indeed that Anjem Choudary chap.

A tad better taste though than Reverand Whatshisname announcing "Burn A Koran Day".

A little less gambling and alcohol would be good for alot of people.

Is the call to prayer considered music?

Anjem Choudary just knows he can count on the Daily Mail and its readers for the publicity he is looking for.

Must say I've never seen a ginger Muslim before.

It sounds like a "false flag mission"....some anti-Muslim sowing seeds of resentment.

I don't allege that though...I accept (with the normal Daily Mail's worth of a grain of salt) that it is indeed that Anjem Choudary chap.

A tad better taste though than Reverand Whatshisname announcing "Burn A Koran Day".

A little less gambling and alcohol would be good for alot of people.

From what I hear of how Britain is governed these days, it wouldn't surprise me if Muslims were allowed to get away with this. Tolerance is one thing; pandering to extremists is another.

It sounds like a "false flag mission"....some anti-Muslim sowing seeds of resentment.

I don't allege that though...I accept (with the normal Daily Mail's worth of a grain of salt) that it is indeed that Anjem Choudary chap.

A tad better taste though than Reverand Whatshisname announcing "Burn A Koran Day".

A little less gambling and alcohol would be good for alot of people.

From what I hear of how Britain is governed these days, it wouldn't surprise me if Muslims were allowed to get away with this. Tolerance is one thing; pandering to extremists is another.

How is Britain governed these days?

"Drink outlawed: Uddin places his poster on a lamppost outside the now defunct Oliver Twist pub in a part of Leyton in London"

Bit of a waste of time eh?

Being serious for a minute if it wasn't for the Daily Mail Choudary would have sunk into well-deserved obscurity. It's what Maggie called the 'oxygen of publicity'.

Is the call to prayer considered music?

Definitely not !! But it was a good alarm clock when I was in Benghazi.

One mosque loudspeaker faced directly at my window and at five in the morning WHAM!!

This is surely the sort of area where the UK should settle all the unwanted economic migrants from Europe.

But as long as they do not use violence - what laws are they breaking?

Would you want prostitutes working in your street?

Drunks spewing in your front garden?

Next door neighbour having all-night noisy parties?

But as long as they do not use violence - what laws are they breaking?

Isn't it illegal to put posters up without permission?

Is the call to prayer considered music?

Definitely not !! But it was a good alarm clock when I was in Benghazi.

One mosque loudspeaker faced directly at my window and at five in the morning WHAM!!

It would probably sound better if WHAM! sang it (but not at 5am)

When I was in Dubai, standing outside our office listening to the call of prayers, I asked one of my Muslim colleagues (that's your cue Naam) if some mosques have more popular call to prayers than others. For example; "Oh, hey, you gotta go to the mosque in Al Barsha 2, that guy is great!". I also asked if they ever thought of getting someone like Shakira to do it, to attract more people. His reply? "You are going to burn in hell". Not is a nasty way or anything, just that apparently people aren't allowed to rate or prefer one call to prayers over another. IMO, it's human nature to notice those things. But I guess saying it aloud isn't a good idea.

Would you want prostitutes working in your street?

They already do and I have no problem with it. I just wish that there was a better selection.

Would you want prostitutes working in your street?

They already do and I have no problem with it. I just wish that there was a better selection.

I believe these nutters call themselves Muslims against the Crusades (though this is not in the DM link). Perhaps someone should tell them that the Crusades finished hundreds of years ago.... and we've given the Holy City to the Jews!

There are many different ways of establishing and administering law in a society.

In the UK, Canada, Australia and the US (plus loads more) it is the job of the police to arrest suspected wrongdoers - based on evidence / suspicion / tip-offs - and to provide the prosecuting authority with credible evidence of the wrong-doing. The arrested person is presumed innocent until a jury of his peers says otherwise. (To cover Scotland's 'Not Proven' verdict)

In France a judge issues a warrant for arrest, based upon his staff's investigation, the police arrest and the suspect has to prove innocence (well, that's very much simplified)

In Sharia law there is a Kadi (judge) but also a number of elders - maybe priests (mullahs) or others learned in the Q'ran and allied documents. A consensus verdict is applied.

In Western law there may be a lot of discretion alloted to the judge as to what the sentence may be, if found guilty. And the law-makers (Parliament, Congress, whatever) has the right to repeal earlier sentencing norms and impose new - there is now unfortunately no flogging, hanging, beheading in the UK, for instance.

In Sharia law the sentences for cvarious major 'crimes', such as adultery and giving false weight, are laid down in the Q'ran and cannot be changed. These immutable sentences are what people think of when Sharia law is discussed. But this is only the sentencing part. The innocent / guiulty part is done very fairly in most cases, where the Sharia law is the state law. It is only in places where fanatics like this Choudry operate, where the convocation of judges will also likely be fanatics, that the law is not applied as was intended - by a gathering of elders of the community, who would judge the person as well as the crime, because the two are known to the elders. It is a very fair and just way of the law, when applied correctly. Only when put into the hands of extremists can it be thought otherwise.

Probe into secretive Sharia law courts scrapped as Muslim leaders close ranks

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There are many different ways of establishing and administering law in a society.

In the UK, Canada, Australia and the US (plus loads more) it is the job of the police to arrest suspected wrongdoers - based on evidence / suspicion / tip-offs - and to provide the prosecuting authority with credible evidence of the wrong-doing. The arrested person is presumed innocent until a jury of his peers says otherwise. (To cover Scotland's 'Not Proven' verdict)

In France a judge issues a warrant for arrest, based upon his staff's investigation, the police arrest and the suspect has to prove innocence (well, that's very much simplified)

In Sharia law there is a Kadi (judge) but also a number of elders - maybe priests (mullahs) or others learned in the Q'ran and allied documents. A consensus verdict is applied.

In Western law there may be a lot of discretion alloted to the judge as to what the sentence may be, if found guilty. And the law-makers (Parliament, Congress, whatever) has the right to repeal earlier sentencing norms and impose new - there is now unfortunately no flogging, hanging, beheading in the UK, for instance.

In Sharia law the sentences for cvarious major 'crimes', such as adultery and giving false weight, are laid down in the Q'ran and cannot be changed. These immutable sentences are what people think of when Sharia law is discussed. But this is only the sentencing part. The innocent / guiulty part is done very fairly in most cases, where the Sharia law is the state law. It is only in places where fanatics like this Choudry operate, where the convocation of judges will also likely be fanatics, that the law is not applied as was intended - by a gathering of elders of the community, who would judge the person as well as the crime, because the two are known to the elders. It is a very fair and just way of the law, when applied correctly. Only when put into the hands of extremists can it be thought otherwise.

Sharia law

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It is a very fair and just way of the law, when applied correctly

please tell me you are not being serious here? how can stoning someone to death for Adultry be ' Fair ' or stoning someone to death for believing another ' faith ' be fair ?

There are many different ways of establishing and administering law in a society.

In the UK, Canada, Australia and the US (plus loads more) it is the job of the police to arrest suspected wrongdoers - based on evidence / suspicion / tip-offs - and to provide the prosecuting authority with credible evidence of the wrong-doing. The arrested person is presumed innocent until a jury of his peers says otherwise. (To cover Scotland's 'Not Proven' verdict)

In France a judge issues a warrant for arrest, based upon his staff's investigation, the police arrest and the suspect has to prove innocence (well, that's very much simplified)

In Sharia law there is a Kadi (judge) but also a number of elders - maybe priests (mullahs) or others learned in the Q'ran and allied documents. A consensus verdict is applied.

In Western law there may be a lot of discretion alloted to the judge as to what the sentence may be, if found guilty. And the law-makers (Parliament, Congress, whatever) has the right to repeal earlier sentencing norms and impose new - there is now unfortunately no flogging, hanging, beheading in the UK, for instance.

In Sharia law the sentences for cvarious major 'crimes', such as adultery and giving false weight, are laid down in the Q'ran and cannot be changed. These immutable sentences are what people think of when Sharia law is discussed. But this is only the sentencing part. The innocent / guiulty part is done very fairly in most cases, where the Sharia law is the state law. It is only in places where fanatics like this Choudry operate, where the convocation of judges will also likely be fanatics, that the law is not applied as was intended - by a gathering of elders of the community, who would judge the person as well as the crime, because the two are known to the elders. It is a very fair and just way of the law, when applied correctly. Only when put into the hands of extremists can it be thought otherwise.

Sharia law

and

It is a very fair and just way of the law, when applied correctly

please tell me you are not being serious here? how can stoning someone to death for Adultry be ' Fair ' or stoning someone to death for believing another ' faith ' be fair ?

Why not? If it is the law, it is the law. My generation, and my forefathers generation were taught to consider the consequences of your actions. This is sadly missing from today's PC world. Whatever the punishment, if guilty, then suffer the consequences.

BTW...what's the difference betwem stoning someone to death and the electric chair? About 3 minutesof pain? For a murderer....who cares? For an adulter, if you knew the consequences......so be it.

I believe these nutters call themselves Muslims against the Crusades (though this is not in the DM link). Perhaps someone should tell them that the Crusades finished hundreds of years ago.... and we've given the Holy City to the Jews!

Without doing any googling (so I may be right off the mark), I believe that Dubbya announced to the world that he was launching a crusade when he invaded Afghanistan.

When the VIT then-president said "crusade", there were definitely religious connotations that some Muslims took on board.

"Given the Holy City to the Jews"......therein may lie another gripe of Islamists.

BTW...what's the difference betwem stoning someone to death and the electric chair? About 3 minutesof pain? For a murderer....who cares? For an adulter, if you knew the consequences......so be it.

the argument was you are not going to get the electric chair for a bit of ' how's your father ' or reading the bible.... or teaching another religeon

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electic chair takes mintues to kill someone, stoning can take up to 1 hour ! , would you like me to post a video of a group of people stoning to death a man in indonesia for not being the correct type of muslim????

BTW...what's the difference betwem stoning someone to death and the electric chair? About 3 minutesof pain? For a murderer....who cares? For an adulter, if you knew the consequences......so be it.

the argument was you are not going to get the electric chair for a bit of ' how's your father ' or reading the bible.... or teaching another religeon

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electic chair takes mintues to kill someone, stoning can take up to 1 hour ! , would you like me to post a video of a group of people stoning to death a man in indonesia for not being the correct type of muslim????

The point was, that every society has their own version of justice. Usually, including in Sharia, there are prescribed punishments for particular crimes. Each society has their own version of what constitutes a crime.

Surely if you go over the speed limit and get a ticket, you accept the fine? It was the known consequence of your choice to speed.

In your version of justice, it is acceptable to electocute a criminal.....In some societies, that is barbaric and there is no death penalty.

Why is your justice system better than those that forbid capital punichment, and better than those that carry out a different form of capital punishment?

Every country is entitled to choose its own code of justice, though we may disagree with some of them...... but the whole point of this thread is , surely, that these cuckoos are trying to tell us what kind of laws we may have in our country. No, thank you!

I believe these nutters call themselves Muslims against the Crusades (though this is not in the DM link). Perhaps someone should tell them that the Crusades finished hundreds of years ago.... and we've given the Holy City to the Jews!

Without doing any googling (so I may be right off the mark), I believe that Dubbya announced to the world that he was launching a crusade when he invaded Afghanistan.

When the VIT then-president said "crusade", there were definitely religious connotations that some Muslims took on board.

"Given the Holy City to the Jews"......therein may lie another gripe of Islamists.

The word "crusade" doesn't have religous implications for everyone. Maybe Batman "The Caped Crusader" is supposed to be some type of Christian soldier? It was the wrong word to use at the time since we were going after people whose minds were still in the Middle Ages.

Probe into secretive Sharia law courts scrapped as Muslim leaders close ranks

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2020391/Probe-secretive-Sharia-law-courts-scrapped-Muslim-leaders-close-ranks.html#ixzz1TYqWTDj8

What about the secretive Beth Din?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7233040.stm

The "secretive' Beth Din only handle civil disputes and both sides must agree to have their case heard by the Beth Din. No cutting off hands or stoning adulterers to death.

JEWISH COURTS

The Beth Din hears only civil disputes

The court can only act if both sides agree.

Both parties to the dispute must be Jewish