Your fear of Romney seems to me to be based on the fact he is a Mormon and the Mormon church opposed and theoretically helped pass proposition 8 in California last year. Please correct me if I am wrong.

You're wrong.

Next ...

Thank you. Then we can assume the distraction over the man's choice in religions will no longer need to be discussed and we can move on to the "next" item...which is:

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President Obama Has Outspent Last Five Presidents

By ELIZABETH FLOCK

June 1, 2012 RSS Feed Print

President Obama has shelled out more in federal spending than the five presidents that came before him.

A new chart by the Comeback America Initiative (CAI), a non-partisan group dedicated to promoting fiscal responsibility by policymakers, shows federal spending by president as a percentage of GDP, and it doesn't reflect well on Obama.

"There has been a dramatic increase in spending under the Obama administration," David Walker, Founder and CEO of CAI, told Whispers. "Most of it is attributable to year one of his presidency and the stimulus... but President Obama has continued to take spending to a new level."

http://www.usnews.co...five-presidents

Mormon's Romneyism Romney's Mormonism is relevant in instances when it intersects with political issues.

For example:

Mormon's ideological religious dogmatic view of Mormoncentric American exceptionalism which Romney ALSO espouses politically in the same way in a political context

Mormon's view of gay marriage (ditto)

Romney's PERSONAL money contribution directly to anti-gay convert the gays organizations (some of them Mormon) which real psychiatrists believe leads to depression and suicide of gay people

Why Romney has not publicly been confronted by the press yet on his contributions to cure the gays groups

The fact that Romney is clearly avoiding the fact that he was a Bishop and that if elected he will have held the highest religious function in any church of any president in US history.

I see no logical reason why any of those public POLITICAL issues should be off the table.

The economy is bad and could easily get worse.

BUT.

Obama is STILL going to win.

Because Obama is NOT Carter, and even more so, Romney is NOT Reagan.

Romney's personal affect is, let's face it ... CREEPY. He has ZERO personality appeal. He's like a weird kind of robot. People aren't happy about another Obama term, heck I still want Hillary, but the idea of the Romney-bot is just even worse. Mark my words.

Sorry, but it is becoming pretty obvious that Obama is desperate and will most likely lose. He has made nothing but mistakes concerning the economy and made everything worse. All the lying BS about Romney's record and how everything is "improving" is not true and everyone can see it. Romney is a much better bet all around.

Mormon's Romneyism Romney's Mormonism is relevant in instances when it intersects with political issues.

For example:

Mormon's ideological religious dogmatic view of Mormoncentric American exceptionalism which Romney ALSO espouses politically in the same way in a political context

Mormon's view of gay marriage (ditto)

Romney's PERSONAL money contribution directly to anti-gay convert the gays organizations (some of them Mormon) which real psychiatrists believe leads to depression and suicide of gay people

Why Romney has not publicly been confronted by the press yet on his contributions to cure the gays groups

The fact that Romney is clearly avoiding the fact that he was a Bishop and that if elected he will have held the highest religious function in any church of any president in US history.

I see no logical reason why any of those public POLITICAL issues should be off the table.

And Obama's Rev Wright church preaches "Goddamn America!". The American people deserve a better leader inhabitant of the White House than someone who believes that.

When Maureen Dowd turns against a Democrat, there are problems. For our European/Australasian friends, Maureen Dowd has been one of the loudest cheerleaders for Obama since 2008. She writes for the New York Times, which is also in Obama's tank.

This is her editorial out yesterday:

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Dreaming of a Superhero

By MAUREEN DOWD

Published: June 2, 2012 11 Comments

...From the article...

"A Times article by Jo Becker and Scott Shane revealed that the liberal law professor who campaigned against torture and the Iraq war now personally makes the final decisions on the “kill list,” targets for drone strikes. “A unilateral campaign of death is untenable,” the editorial asserted.

On Thursday, Bill Clinton once more telegraphed that he considers Obama a lightweight who should not have bested his wife. Bluntly contradicting the Obama campaign theme that Romney is a heartless corporate raider, Clinton told CNN that the Republican’s record at Bain was “sterling.”"

...she continues with...

"The president who started off with such dazzle now seems incapable of stimulating either the economy or the voters. His campaign is offering Obama 2012 car magnets for a donation of $10; cat collars reading “I Meow for Michelle” for $12; an Obama grill spatula for $40, and discounted hoodies and T-shirts. How the mighty have fallen."

Article continues here: http://www.nytimes.c...r=1&ref=opinion

Most democrats would probably prefer Hillary now. I always did and so did many others. But that doesn't mean we would EVER vote for Romney. The trick now is turnout.

Most democrats would probably prefer Hillary now. I always did and so did many others.

Obama has been such an epic disaster that even a right wing Hillary-hater such as myself would vote for Hillary if she were running for President. She'd even get my vote over Romney.

Obama has made Hillary as an alternative look that good. She reminds me of a time when Dems and Republicans disagreed on how to do things, but no one thought either side actually wanted to destroy the country and rebuild it as something it is not like Obama clearly does.

Obama's own history gives plenty of clues. From his grandfather in Kenyan being tortured by the British (hence his hatred of our #1 ally), his father the Kenyan socialist, growing up in the Pacific Rim far away from the core of America (I read he was 18 when he first stepped foot on the continent), to having his young adult mind shaped by Marxists (Columbia Univ) and Bill Ayers (domestic terrorist/bomber), Rev Wright (whacked out anti-America church).

Electing him might have been a major feel-good moment (even I felt good about it), but I wish we could have elected a real African American instead, a real American with real American experiences (good or bad, they would be American).

That takes the cake. Suggesting HAWAII isn't part of the USA. Hilarious.

Face it. This election is going to be a classic NEGATIVE election. The main motivation to vote Romney is he's not Obama. The main reason to vote for Obama is he's not Romney. It's going to be close and come down to a few battleground states. I still think Obama is going to pull it out.

That takes the cake. Suggesting HAWAII isn't part of the USA. Hilarious.

The only way you can compete in a debate is to misquote or misrepresent what others say. Just give it up already.

I never said Hawaii "isn't part of the USA". In fact, it had been a US State for almost 2 years when Obama was born in 1961. His mother married a foreign student socialist studying Russian at the height of the Cold War (after he knocked her up with O). I'm sure the 4th of July was a big party around their household when he was a tike. Then he went off to Indonesia not long after. Until he was about 24 years old, he had spent more of his life in Indonesia than on the continental USA. The inconvenient truth is Obama's life experiences over his first 19 years were very different than 99.9% of all other Americans - especially African America. The people he is supposed to represent. Even the Queen of England has more in common with her own subjects.

I'm sorry the fact that he lived abroad for a few years and grew up in the great state of Hawaii is irrelevant. It comes off as xenophobic. You're suggesting he isn't a real American. That is DISGUSTING.

I'm sorry the fact that he lived abroad for a few years and grew up in the great state of Hawaii is irrelevant. It comes off as xenophobic. You're suggesting he isn't a real American. That is DISGUSTING.

Then he should act like one.

I'm sorry the fact that he lived abroad for a few years and grew up in the great state of Hawaii is irrelevant. It comes off as xenophobic. You're suggesting he isn't a real American. That is DISGUSTING.

Then he should act like one.

What is that supposed to mean? You know this line of discussion comes off as BIRTHER. It is really distasteful.

The main motivation to vote Romney is he's not Obama.

That is pretty good motivation under the circumstances. His presidency has been a disaster.

The main motivation to vote Romney is he's not Obama.

That is pretty good motivation under the circumstances. His presidency has been a disaster.

Obama's base doesn't think so, and thinks Romney would be WORSE. That makes an election battle, yes? I am not saying anyone who thinks Obama has been a gangbusters success either. That's why this has to be a NEGATIVE election.

Here is an excellent article on the politics of the Mormon/Romney connection. What's OK to talk about, how can the press talk about it or not. how the Romney campaign is playing defense so that the press doesn't talk about it. I think there are some VERY LEGITIMATE areas of discussion here that the American people DO deserve to know about.

Most dramatically which I just learned from the article that Romney while he was serving as a Mormon religious leader personally ENFORCED the then existent Mormon ban on INTERRACIAL marriages. How he also showed disdain and not understanding to groups trying to protest that horrible, racist, bigoted, indefensible discrimination based on race. This is really very interesting considering his current position in favor of discriminating against gay people in the same way, which also directly reflects the policies of the Mormon church. Intelligent people KNOW that its only a matter of time that the people today who fight for discrimination against gays will in future be seen as indefensible bigots in exactly the same way that those favoring interracial ones are now considered.

http://www.washingto...o56U_story.html

While there are MANY details of interest in this article (please read it) one that I really find personally very offensive is the Romney campaign defense strategy of connecting Jews to Mormons. While I get their point in a larger sense, here is where they abuse this connection to an offensive degree. They SAY they are doing a test of substituting Jew for Mormon but actually they are using the word Jew in an inflammatory way, a way the word Mormon is NOT used, thus totally distorting and exaggerating the alleged offense against Mormons.

To wit, from the Romney campaign:

In her e-mail, Saul, the campaign spokeswoman, combed through last fall’s Post story and substituted every reference to Mormonism and the Mormon Church, producing more Semitic-flavored sentences about a “young synagogue leader named Mitt Romney,” and “a group of devout but independent Jew women” who all belonged to “the Synagogue of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.” Her version observed that Romney “was far from the only young and brilliant Jew on Harvard’s campus” and ended with one devout woman’s trip to “the Jew Temple in neighboring Belmont, where she performs proxy baptisms for the deceased and other synagogue rites.”

That is a VERY distorted example they have provided. The reality is because of centuries of persecution, the simple word JEW is a loaded word and in many contexts, just the word JEW is a slur. That is NOT true at all about the word Mormon.

A more accurate switching of Mormon for Jew would read something like this, as you see MUCH less inflammatory (MY EDITS in red)

In her e-mail, Saul, the campaign spokeswoman, combed through last fall’s Post story and substituted every reference to Mormonism and the Mormon Church, producing more Semitic-flavored sentences about a “young synagogue leader named Mitt Romney,” and “a group of devout but independent Jewish women” who all belonged to “the Synagogue of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.” Her version observed that Romney “was far from the only young and brilliant Jew on Harvard’s campus” and ended with one devout woman’s trip to “the Jewish Temple in neighboring Belmont, where she performs proxy baptisms for the deceased and other synagogue rites.”

Also note, NEVER in the history of Judaism, have Jews performed Jewish rites for the deceased of OTHER faiths. That is something Mormons have done, most offensively towards Jewish holocaust victims.

Here is an excellent article on the politics of the Mormon/Romney connection. What's OK to talk about, how can the press talk about it or not. how the Romney campaign is playing defense so that the press doesn't talk about it. I think there are some VERY LEGITIMATE areas of discussion here that the American people DO deserve to know about.

Most dramatically which I just learned from the article that Romney while he was serving as a Mormon religious leader personally ENFORCED the then existent Mormon ban on INTERRACIAL marriages. How he also showed disdain and not understanding to groups trying to protest that horrible, racist, bigoted, indefensible discrimination based on race. This is really very interesting considering his current position in favor of discriminating against gay people in the same way, which also directly reflects the policies of the Mormon church. Intelligent people KNOW that its only a matter of time that the people today who fight for discrimination against gays will in future be seen as indefensible bigots in exactly the same way that those favoring interracial ones are now considered.

http://www.washingto...o56U_story.html

You kinow Jingthing, I agree with you that Mormonism is a cult. I also agree with the others that stated that Obama is Muslim. But Jingthing, step back a minute here. Let's suppose the candidate was Jewish and someone was raking him over the coals like you are Romney. You'd be all over their ass with the anti-semite comments, and lets face it there would be a lot of real meat there ifr there was a Jewish candiadate. Loyalties to Israel, All that Old Testament drivel..., but the point is you'd be all over their ass.

Obama is NOT a Muslim. It's shocking anyone really believes that. The fact is the right wing propaganda machine has been pushing that lie. That's why so many people do believe that. Yes I would be offended by antisemitism against a Jewish candidate and I said VERY CLEARLY I get the Romney campaign's larger point about the connection. However, when they play games with the word Jew which is a very unusual word as it has been used as a slur word all by itself for thousands of years now, yes, I will call FOUL. Also note, personally I don't wish for ANY U.S. president to be ultra religious and that does include Jews.

Also note, if a Jewish candidate was accused of being an "Israel firster" and there was strong evidence he was, I would accept that as totally legitimate political discussion. Myself, I am opposed to Jewish Americans who are Israel firsters and would NOT want one as president.

Also to add, you can only take the Mormon-Jewish connection so far. Jewish is not only a religion, but also an ETHNIC GROUP, which has been incorrectly labeled a RACE and subject to genocidal actions over the centuries. Mormons are not an ETHNIC GROUP. They have never been labeled a RACE. So I hope you get my point. I think the Romney campaign is exploiting this Jewish connection in an inflammatory way, and no, I don't approve of that.

The fact is that there ARE some areas of a candidates religion that ARE legitimate areas of political discussion. Not all. Some. And in Romney's case they are trying very hard to repress discussion of even the parts that ARE totally legitimate. For example, Romney's role in enforcing a RACIST marriage ban. How is that not legitimate? You know Romney doesn't want to talk about it (read the article). He's AFRAID to talk about it. He wants to be president? Fine. The job of the free press is to try to MAKE him talk about it.

Obama is NOT a Muslim. It's shocking anyone really believes that.

He lived in Indonesia and studied Islam and no one believes he is a Christian for other than political reasons. That is probably why many people think that he is sympathetic to radical Islam.

Obama is NOT a Muslim. It's shocking anyone really believes that.

He lived in Indonesia and studied Islam and no one believes he is a Christian for other than political reasons. That is probably why many people think that he is sympathetic to radical Islam.

I'm not suggwsting he has any belief in Islam , or Christianity for that matter. The former being a political non-starter and the latter being a religion of convenience. But Jingthing, that's he is Muslim is indisputably a fact, not that I care.

It is not a fact that he is a Muslim and anyone who actually believes that is calling their entire credibility to be questioned. If I told you I actually believed that Romney was a unicorn, what would you think about my credibility?

I think he means because his father was a Muslim - otherwise how could he be a Muslim without believing in Islam -, but only Muslims would buy that one. Personally, I think that he is a far-left atheist that only pretends to have any religious leanings.

I think he means because his father was a Muslim - otherwise how could he be a Muslim without believing in Islam -, but only Muslims would buy that one. Personally, I think that he is a far-left atheist that only pretends to have any religious leanings.

I don't think he is a religious man. Period. I like that about him. I don't know if he is atheist or agnostic and we can't know as he couldn't come out about that if he was.

Far-left? Are you having a laugh?

Don't worry, he is far-left, but, luckily for the rest of us, getting votes is more important than his true convictions.

Don't worry, he is far-left, but, luckily for the rest of us, getting votes is more important than his true convictions.

By your definition, I accept that. For example, I think in his heart (like me) he supports universal single payer health care. He didn't push it because he felt he couldn't win it. I don't consider that far left. I consider that just left. In Europe, mainstream and moderate. Even the AMA has supported single payer. So if you think the AMA is far left, go ahead. But they're not. And neither is Obama.

I was thinking more of some of his best buddies before he got elected.

I was thinking more of some of his best buddies before he got elected.

A tiresome obsession indeed. I love that he used to be a pothead!

I was thinking more of Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Reverend Wright, Van Jones, Cass Sunstein and their like.

I was thinking more of Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Reverend Wright, Van Jones, Cass Sunstein and their like.

Nice to know people are still watching Fox News. Seriously, dude, the people who are fixated on that stuff which was talked about as nauseum in 2008 would never vote for Obama anyway. It's stale.

Sorry, but his politcal allies pretty much show where his head is at.