There are plenty of lies coming from the democrats as far as that goes.

I think it was all about the economy. Now I'm confused!

Issue: Economy

Obama's position: Free gov't provided contraception for women!

Issue: Jobs

Obama's position: If I had a son he would look like Trayvon!

Issue: Government Debt

Obama's position: Men should be allowed to marry each other!

Issue: Obama's birthplace

Obama's position: It's the economy!!

If I was running an Obama PAC, I would run ads about Mormonism.

Just the facts.

Their actual theology. Which by any standard is incredibly bizarre. You don't need to call it a cult. The facts speak for themselves.

Their mission system.

The underwear thing.

The fact their goal in life is to be a God of their own planet, each of them

The fact that they do Mormon rituals for dead people of other faiths.

The facts about their relatively recent history of anti-black racism and the connection of polygamy to Romney's relatives.

The facts about Romney's major leadership role in the Mormon church.

Nothing inflammatory. Just the cold hard objective facts.

Superimposed on all the media. An image of Mitt Romney.

Of course you would because whatever happens, you MUST distract the American voter from Obama's record on jobs and the economy. Obama cannot win if the issue is his record over the past 3 years so make it about Romney's religion. I'm sure the Independents will love those ads.

There are plenty of lies coming from the democrats as far as that goes.

True that but if I had a PAC I would post objective truth. I reckon less than 10 percent of Americans know the truth about the Mormon church and I'd like them to know and I'd like them to think hard about electing a president who has been a major leader of that particular church. Yes personally I think they ARE a cult but that word doesn't matter. The facts are telling.

How many voters know that Obama used to do a little blow when he could afford it in college?

How many voters know that Obama used to do a little blow when he could afford it in college?

I think plenty and anyone who cares about that wouldn't vote for him anyway. Totally different. Romney was a Mormon leader well into adulthood. I am taking PAC ads not an Obama official campaign strategy. PACs are independent.

Another thing, which I think at least the press should pursue, perhaps in a debate question is the fact that the Romney campaign is deliberately acting like Romney's prominent leadership role in the Mormon church never happened! It's one of the most important roles of his life, and it was a leadership role, but no mention! That is a legitimate issue! What's he hiding?

Being the Gov of Mass and his work on the Olympics are much more important to voters.

How many voters know that Obama used to do a little blow when he could afford it in college?

I think plenty and anyone who cares about that wouldn't vote for him anyway.

I did not know it until Fox started mentioning it and either did any of my liberal buddies. I was not shocked that he did it, but admitting it is very unusual for a politician.

How many voters know that Obama used to do a little blow when he could afford it in college?

I think plenty and anyone who cares about that wouldn't vote for him anyway. Totally different. Romney was a Mormon leader well into adulthood. I am taking PAC ads not an Obama official campaign strategy. PACs are independent.

Another thing, which I think at least the press should pursue, perhaps in a debate question is the fact that the Romney campaign is deliberately acting like Romney's prominent leadership role in the Mormon church never happened! It's one of the most important roles of his life, and it was a leadership role, but no mention! That is a legitimate issue! What's he hiding?

Perhaps the press could pursue Romney's ties to the Mormon Church after they complete vetting Obama and his connections with Ayers, Louis Farrakhan, Jeremiah Wright, Tony Rezko, Mayor Daley, Frank Marshall Davis, et al.

The liberal media did such a great job on the first election maybe they think they don't have to do anything else.

Being the Gov of Mass and his work on the Olympics are much more important to voters.

You're being disingenuous again. Classic. You know perfectly well Romney knows that his leadership of the cult church is potentially very politically damaging, so he's doing all he can to act like it never happened.

How many voters know that Obama used to do a little blow when he could afford it in college?

I think plenty and anyone who cares about that wouldn't vote for him anyway. Totally different. Romney was a Mormon leader well into adulthood. I am taking PAC ads not an Obama official campaign strategy. PACs are independent.

Another thing, which I think at least the press should pursue, perhaps in a debate question is the fact that the Romney campaign is deliberately acting like Romney's prominent leadership role in the Mormon church never happened! It's one of the most important roles of his life, and it was a leadership role, but no mention! That is a legitimate issue! What's he hiding?

Perhaps the press could pursue Romney's ties to the Mormon Church after they complete vetting Obama and his connections with Ayers, Louis Farrakhan, Jeremiah Wright, Tony Rezko, Mayor Daley, Frank Marshall Davis, et al.

The liberal media did such a great job on the first election maybe they think they don't have to do anything else.

Obama was already vetted for ALL of that the last election. Too late now. Deal with his record as president. That isn't enough?

How many voters know that Obama used to do a little blow when he could afford it in college?

I think plenty and anyone who cares about that wouldn't vote for him anyway.

I did not know it until Fox started mentioning it and either did any of my liberal buddies. I was not shocked that he did it, but admitting it is very unusual for a politician.

I don't believe you.

BTW, Romney could do the smart thing (as Obama did with his book and interviews about drug use) by giving a dedicated speech all about his Mormon leadership role in his life. Sooner than later. Then that immunizes him from people wondering why he is trying to cover it up, so it looks suspicious. He needs to be open about it and diffuse it as a potential negative. Will he be this smart? I doubt it. Of course I'm glad of any mistake he makes as I think he would be a HORRIBLE president.

Another thing. Romney wins the R nomination but that doesn't show all that much. His republican opposition was ridiculously bad. When Obama beat Hillary (though I wish he hadn't), that was an amazing feat and really was very impressive. Romney getting nominated, face it, we all knew it was inevitable from the start.

Being the Gov of Mass and his work on the Olympics are much more important to voters.

You're being disingenuous again. Classic. You know perfectly well Romney knows that his leadership of the cult church is potentially very politically damaging, so he's doing all he can to act like it never happened.

Actually, I think most people do not care and it will not hurt him in the least.

Being the Gov of Mass and his work on the Olympics are much more important to voters.

You're being disingenuous again. Classic. You know perfectly well Romney knows that his leadership of the cult church is potentially very politically damaging, so he's doing all he can to act like it never happened.

Actually, I think most people do not care and it will not hurt him in the least.

Perhaps but if I had the PAC I would like to test that theory.

How many voters know that Obama used to do a little blow when he could afford it in college?

I think plenty and anyone who cares about that wouldn't vote for him anyway. Totally different. Romney was a Mormon leader well into adulthood. I am taking PAC ads not an Obama official campaign strategy. PACs are independent.

Another thing, which I think at least the press should pursue, perhaps in a debate question is the fact that the Romney campaign is deliberately acting like Romney's prominent leadership role in the Mormon church never happened! It's one of the most important roles of his life, and it was a leadership role, but no mention! That is a legitimate issue! What's he hiding?

Perhaps the press could pursue Romney's ties to the Mormon Church after they complete vetting Obama and his connections with Ayers, Louis Farrakhan, Jeremiah Wright, Tony Rezko, Mayor Daley, Frank Marshall Davis, et al.

The liberal media did such a great job on the first election maybe they think they don't have to do anything else.

Obama was already vetted for ALL of that the last election. Too late now. Deal with his record as president. That isn't enough?

Do you really believe that he was vetted in 2008? I have some ocean front land for sale in Isaan if you really believe that.

The main stream media has been in the tank for Obama ever since he made his speech in 2004 at the Democratic convention. There are many holes in this guys story that need filling and the MSM walks around with their eyes and ears closed afraid they might learn something detrimental about him.

The problem with the Republican establishment is they are going into this campaign saying they will take the high road, knowing full well they will be facing Chicago politics at it's worse. They need to understand you don't take a knife to a gun fight and get down and dirty this election, which means NOTHING is out of bounds, with the exception of his immediate family.

His record certainly is nothing to be proud of but his campaign will keep throwing up other issues to deflect attention from that record. It has been going on for three years and will continue throughout the campaign.

He will keep trying to spike the football that he originally said he wouldn't. Seems he can't tell the truth about anything.

Except for the Fox News zombies who would never vote for Obama anyway, the public isn't interested in regurgitating these old Obama hit pieces that really are OLD news. Try to make that the focus of Romney's campaign. I hope y'all do!

Except for the Fox News zombies who would never vote for Obama anyway, the public isn't interested in regurgitating these old Obama hit pieces that really are OLD news. Try to make that the focus of Romney's campaign. I hope y'all do!

You fail to understand what everyone else is saying on this thread - it is not the old shit from 2008 that Obama hid or spun, it's his absolute incompetence in office, his broken promises from 2008 and his lack of any policy for the next four years that demonstrate that he was just another pork-belly politician lying to the electorate.

Guantanamo - closed within a year of coming to office? Ha ha.

Obama-care - ha ha.

We can do it? Do what? Absolutely nothing that has changed the way the people live.

A hollow man.

He's a flawed product. But Romney is a stinky product.

Obama was already vetted for ALL of that the last election. Too late now. Deal with his record as president. That isn't enough?

Apparently the Obama campaign didn't get your memo about dealing with his record. Unless what they call "dealing with it" everyone else calls "sweeping it under the rug".

About religion - Mormon-Schmormon. I couldn't care less what church he belongs to. Even with Obama I didn't care. These political monsters belong to only one church, the Church of Power and Influence. I believe Romney just went through the motions because that's what he needed to do to get ahead. I believe Obama joined Jeremiah's church in Chicago just to get the black vote because otherwise they wouldn't have voted for a half-white, half-African outsider from Hawaii who spoke like a Richard Pryor skit about white people.

It seems Obama might not be a shoo-in in West Virginia but they still blame Bush.

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Biden: West Virginia voters who chose felon over Obama are frustrated, angry

By Josh Lederman - 05/18/12 03:45 PM ET

From the article...

"Asked what he made of a felon sitting in a Texas prison who won four out of 10 Democratic primary voters in West Virginia, Biden told Ohio television station WTOV that he doesn't blame people who are frustrated and angry over the economy."

...and...

“Look, I come from a household where whenever there’s a recession, somebody around my grandpop or my dad’s table lost a job. A brother, a sister a friend, a neighbor," Biden said. "When you’re out of work, man, it’s a depression."

Biden said a lot of Americans are still hurting because of the recession the Obama administration inherited.

http://thehill.com/v...rustrated-angry

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Even in Arkansas things aren't coming up roses.

Dems Disenfranchise Voters After Polls Show Obama in Close Primary Race

"Is this some kind of North Korea thing?"

7:31 AM, MAY 18, 2012 • BY MICHAEL WARREN

After a poll released this week showed President Barack Obama only beating his Democratic primary opponent John Wolfe Jr. by seven points, 45 percent to 38 percent, in Arkansas's Fourth Congressional District, state Democrats moved to practically disenfranchise Arkansas voters. "[D]elegates Wolfe might claim won't be recognized at the national convention," national party officials are telling state Democrats. Wolfe is being accused of not following the party rules.

“They want a coronation,” Wolfe tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD. “They’re conflating [Obama] with the party. Are we supposed to call him ‘Dear Leader’? Is this some kind of North Korea thing?”

http://www.weeklysta...ark_645125.html

I don't believe you.

That does not make it any less true.

Obama was already vetted for ALL of that the last election. Too late now. Deal with his record as president. That isn't enough?

Apparently the Obama campaign didn't get your memo about dealing with his record. Unless what they call "dealing with it" everyone else calls "sweeping it under the rug".

About religion - Mormon-Schmormon. I couldn't care less what church he belongs to. Even with Obama I didn't care. These political monsters belong to only one church, the Church of Power and Influence. I believe Romney just went through the motions because that's what he needed to do to get ahead. I believe Obama joined Jeremiah's church in Chicago just to get the black vote because otherwise they wouldn't have voted for a half-white, half-African outsider from Hawaii who spoke like a Richard Pryor skit about white people.

I'd prefer an atheist president but that's not gonna happen. I agree Obama isn't super religious. Good. Romney is a leader in a very strange church that is not really a normal religion and you know it. It's based on verifiable lies. Golden plates. Criminal conmen founders. Its a story that should be told in every home. Let the people decide if they want a leader of such BS leading them. It's not that he's going to be a puppet of the aliens from Salt Lake City but rather what that says about his character that he didn't emancipate himself from that cult.

Obama was already vetted for ALL of that the last election. Too late now. Deal with his record as president. That isn't enough?

Apparently the Obama campaign didn't get your memo about dealing with his record. Unless what they call "dealing with it" everyone else calls "sweeping it under the rug".

About religion - Mormon-Schmormon. I couldn't care less what church he belongs to. Even with Obama I didn't care. These political monsters belong to only one church, the Church of Power and Influence. I believe Romney just went through the motions because that's what he needed to do to get ahead. I believe Obama joined Jeremiah's church in Chicago just to get the black vote because otherwise they wouldn't have voted for a half-white, half-African outsider from Hawaii who spoke like a Richard Pryor skit about white people.

I'd prefer an atheist president but that's not gonna happen. I agree Obama isn't super religious. Good. Romney is a leader in a very strange church that is not really a normal religion and you know it. It's based on verifiable lies. Golden plates. Criminal conmen founders. Its a story that should be told in every home. Let the people decide if they want a leader of such BS leading them. It's not that he's going to be a puppet of the aliens from Salt Lake City but rather what that says about his character that he didn't emancipate himself from that cult.

Obama's church for the 25 years prior to his first presidential campaign wasn't strange?

This story should then also be told in every home, but the main stream media won't do it. That's called vetting.

Sure there is no problem with people knowing about Obama's Chitown church. But they already do even though Fox News denies it. Obama as the incumbent should be judged on his record and yes it isn't an easy record to defend. As far as Romney's Mormonism, don't get me wrong. I'm for people being allowed to worship their pet frog if they want. Do do we really want a major leader of the Church of the Pet Frog Worshippers to be president? Really?

Sure there is no problem with people knowing about Obama's Chitown church. But they already do even though Fox News denies it. Obama as the incumbent should be judged on his record and yes it isn't an easy record to defend. As far as Romney's Mormonism, don't get me wrong. I'm for people being allowed to worship their pet frog if they want. Do do we really want a major leader of the Church of the Pet Frog Worshippers to be president? Really?

I have at least one Mormon friend. I've never asked him about the details of his religion. He's a good guy whatever his religious beliefs so what do I care? But your talk has got me thinking. Maybe I shouldn't just accept him because I know him and he's a good guy. Maybe there is something sinister about someone who belongs to a "different" religion than what I grew up with? In fact, I won't stop with Mormons. I don't have a problem with Muslims because I've known a few over the past decade and they are good people. Maybe I need to rethink that too. No need to stop with religion either. I've had gay friends, co-workers, even a gay roommate or two. They were fine people despite having a sexual preference different than mine. Now I need to rethink my opinion of Gays too. They might just be as sinister as the Muslims and Mormons. Oh! I almost forgot! Blacks too! I need to start rethinking my opinions of them. They are different from me in some ways too so there must be something wrong with them! Wow, JT, you're (what some might call "bigoted") thinking about Mormons sure is contagious! Seriously, dude, you're coming across as intolerant as the people you are against.

I'm sensitive to your points, but you're talking about something I'm not talking about. I'm not saying don't have Mormon friends or that Mormons should be discriminated against. Interesting case because the Mormon church has been ACTIVELY involved in politics (WRONG in my view because they get tax deductions) to deny the rights of American people to basic civil rights, and yes that includes the right to marry the one you love. What I am saying is that for our top leader, we've got a candidate who is not just a Mormon, but a Mormon leader, and there really are a lot of questionable things about that organization. The fact that he was a major leader is key here.

These can be complicated, nuanced issues. Supposing there was a cult-like church today that preached that black people were CURSED. What Mormons believed not very long ago! Supposing a major LEADER of that cult was running for president. Freedom to believe that black people are cursed! Absolutely. Freedom to reject for the highest office a leader of a cult believing such an odious thing. Oh yeah! Is that unfair discrimination? I think not. Not renting an apartment to a member would be.

You may not like Obama's Chitown church, but he wasn't running the joint!

BTW, when Lieberman was almost VP, honestly I personally had a problem with his extreme religiosity. He could have been president from VP, and this man strictly observes the sabbath, NO work at all on the sabbath. I think that was a legit issue. I want a president on call 24/7.

I'm sensitive to your points, but you're talking about something I'm not talking about. I'm not saying don't have Mormon friends or that Mormons should be discriminated against. Interesting case because the Mormon church has been ACTIVELY involved in politics (WRONG in my view because they get tax deductions) to deny the rights of American people to basic civil rights, and yes that includes the right to marry the one you love. What I am saying is that for our top leader, we've got a candidate who is not just a Mormon, but a Mormon leader, and there really are a lot of questionable things about that organization. The fact that he was a major leader is key here.

These can be complicated, nuanced issues. Supposing there was a cult-like church today that preached that black people were CURSED. What Mormons believed not very long ago! Supposing a major LEADER of that cult was running for president. Freedom to believe that black people are cursed! Absolutely. Freedom to reject for the highest office a leader of a cult believing such an odious thing. Oh yeah! Is that unfair discrimination? I think not. Not renting an apartment to a member would be.

You may not like Obama's Chitown church, but he wasn't running the joint!

BTW, when Lieberman was almost VP, honestly I personally had a problem with his extreme religiosity. He could have been president from VP, and this man strictly observes the sabbath, NO work at all on the sabbath. I think that was a legit issue. I want a president on call 24/7.

Am I missing something here? I am under the belief that the number one Dem lead Senate is from the same cult religion that JT is ranting about. Has Harry been drinking the Mormon cool aide and that is why he gets nothing done? BTW i think it is most commonly know as the church of the latter day saints or ROLDS

I'm sensitive to your points, but you're talking about something I'm not talking about. I'm not saying don't have Mormon friends or that Mormons should be discriminated against. Interesting case because the Mormon church has been ACTIVELY involved in politics (WRONG in my view because they get tax deductions) to deny the rights of American people to basic civil rights, and yes that includes the right to marry the one you love. What I am saying is that for our top leader, we've got a candidate who is not just a Mormon, but a Mormon leader, and there really are a lot of questionable things about that organization. The fact that he was a major leader is key here.

These can be complicated, nuanced issues. Supposing there was a cult-like church today that preached that black people were CURSED. What Mormons believed not very long ago! Supposing a major LEADER of that cult was running for president. Freedom to believe that black people are cursed! Absolutely. Freedom to reject for the highest office a leader of a cult believing such an odious thing. Oh yeah! Is that unfair discrimination? I think not. Not renting an apartment to a member would be.

You may not like Obama's Chitown church, but he wasn't running the joint!

BTW, when Lieberman was almost VP, honestly I personally had a problem with his extreme religiosity. He could have been president from VP, and this man strictly observes the sabbath, NO work at all on the sabbath. I think that was a legit issue. I want a president on call 24/7.

Obama has gone so far as to say the Muslim call to prayer is the most beautiful sound he has ever heard.

You don't find that a little disturbing since his natural father and step father were both Muslim and his mother was an atheist?

I'm sensitive to your points, but you're talking about something I'm not talking about. I'm not saying don't have Mormon friends or that Mormons should be discriminated against. Interesting case because the Mormon church has been ACTIVELY involved in politics (WRONG in my view because they get tax deductions) to deny the rights of American people to basic civil rights, and yes that includes the right to marry the one you love. What I am saying is that for our top leader, we've got a candidate who is not just a Mormon, but a Mormon leader, and there really are a lot of questionable things about that organization. The fact that he was a major leader is key here.

These can be complicated, nuanced issues. Supposing there was a cult-like church today that preached that black people were CURSED. What Mormons believed not very long ago! Supposing a major LEADER of that cult was running for president. Freedom to believe that black people are cursed! Absolutely. Freedom to reject for the highest office a leader of a cult believing such an odious thing. Oh yeah! Is that unfair discrimination? I think not. Not renting an apartment to a member would be.

You may not like Obama's Chitown church, but he wasn't running the joint!

BTW, when Lieberman was almost VP, honestly I personally had a problem with his extreme religiosity. He could have been president from VP, and this man strictly observes the sabbath, NO work at all on the sabbath. I think that was a legit issue. I want a president on call 24/7.

Am I missing something here? I am under the belief that the number one Dem lead Senate is from the same cult religion that JT is ranting about. Has Harry been drinking the Mormon cool aide and that is why he gets nothing done? BTW i think it is most commonly know as the church of the latter day saints or ROLDS

Yes, Reid is. I am not aware that he has ever had a MAJOR leadership role with the Mormons though. I imagine if he ever ran for PRESIDENT, that info would/should come out. I am only saying, let it out. Present the facts. Let the people decide.

I'm sensitive to your points, but you're talking about something I'm not talking about. I'm not saying don't have Mormon friends or that Mormons should be discriminated against. Interesting case because the Mormon church has been ACTIVELY involved in politics (WRONG in my view because they get tax deductions) to deny the rights of American people to basic civil rights, and yes that includes the right to marry the one you love. What I am saying is that for our top leader, we've got a candidate who is not just a Mormon, but a Mormon leader, and there really are a lot of questionable things about that organization. The fact that he was a major leader is key here.

These can be complicated, nuanced issues. Supposing there was a cult-like church today that preached that black people were CURSED. What Mormons believed not very long ago! Supposing a major LEADER of that cult was running for president. Freedom to believe that black people are cursed! Absolutely. Freedom to reject for the highest office a leader of a cult believing such an odious thing. Oh yeah! Is that unfair discrimination? I think not. Not renting an apartment to a member would be.

You may not like Obama's Chitown church, but he wasn't running the joint!

BTW, when Lieberman was almost VP, honestly I personally had a problem with his extreme religiosity. He could have been president from VP, and this man strictly observes the sabbath, NO work at all on the sabbath. I think that was a legit issue. I want a president on call 24/7.

Obama has gone so far as to say the Muslim call to prayer is the most beautiful sound he has ever heard.

You don't find that a little disturbing since his natural father and step father were both Muslim and his mother was an atheist?

Not at all disturbing. He's not a Muslim, first of all. Second of all I wish he were an atheist, but don't be naive, an out atheist or Muslim could never be president. I think I just read that 25 percent of Americans still think Obama is a Muslim. Stupid, stupid people.

Would I personally have a problem with a real Muslim president? Well it depends on the person. I would be concerned about their attitude towards Israel and social issues, etc. If he was just another liberal democrat who happened to be Muslim though, not problem. However, get real, that's not going to happen.