Am I missing something here? I am under the belief that the number one Dem lead Senate is from the same cult religion that JT is ranting about. Has Harry been drinking the Mormon cool aide and that is why he gets nothing done? BTW i think it is most commonly know as the church of the latter day saints or ROLDS

Yes, Reid is. I am not aware that he has ever had a MAJOR leadership role with the Mormons though. I imagine if he ever ran for PRESIDENT, that info would/should come out. I am only saying, let it out. Present the facts. Let the people decide.

Reid probably holds a high position in some super-secret Mormon Opus Dei-type group bent in world domination!! He probably has the Rothschilds on speed dial.

Let the people decide.

Are you sure you'd support that? The "people have decided" on several occasions just to have the result of their vote over-turned in court because apparently the people can't make the correct decision by themselves.

Obama has gone so far as to say the Muslim call to prayer is the most beautiful sound he has ever heard.

You don't find that a little disturbing since his natural father and step father were both Muslim and his mother was an atheist?

Not at all disturbing. He's not a Muslim, first of all. Second of all I wish he were an atheist, but don't be naive, an out atheist or Muslim could never be president.

As agnostic, I can tell you that I don't like atheists. They get all worked up over something they don't even believe exists.

I think I just read that 25 percent of Americans still think Obama is a Muslim. Stupid, stupid people.

More of these stupid people would probably think he was born in Kenya if they read his published biography of at least 17 years.

Would I personally have a problem with a real Muslim president? Well it depends on the person. I would be concerned about their attitude towards Israel and social issues, etc.

Obama may not be Muslim, but I'm not sure many Israelis believe that with the way he has treated them.

Let the people decide.

Are you sure you'd support that? The "people have decided" on several occasions just to have the result of their vote over-turned in court because apparently the people can't make the correct decision by themselves.

I meant elections for candidates. The system has checks and balances to protect minority civil rights under the constitution. That's why gay people will be winning marriage equality because it will be deemed unconstitutional to discriminate based on sexual orientation.

Funny comment about atheists!

Israelis don't like Obama but American Jews mostly still do. Israel is not the top issue for most American Jews and personally I think he has been OK in that department. It's not an easy issue.

Not at all disturbing. He's not a Muslim, first of all.

As i said in this forum when the guy was elected and this subject came up.

As BO's father is a Muslim, then by Islamic law he (BO) is a Muslim. There is no reneging on this.

If he changes religion or denies Islam, then he is an apostate and by Islamic law every true Muslim has a duty to kill him.

As this has not happened, I assume all Muslims regard him as a fellow Muslim.

Not at all disturbing. He's not a Muslim, first of all.

As i said in this forum when the guy was elected and this subject came up.

As BO's father is a Muslim, then by Islamic law he (BO) is a Muslim. There is no reneging on this.

If he changes religion or denies Islam, then he is an apostate and by Islamic law every true Muslim has a duty to kill him.

As this has not happened, I assume all Muslims regard him as a fellow Muslim.

Utterly ridiculous. The USA isn't under Sharia law. If you had a clue about the Muslim world you would know how wrong you are. They certainly do NOT consider Obama a Muslim. This BS is not threat. Only extremist Obama demonizers who would never vote for him or someone like him, hint hint, would entertain such rubbish.

Not at all disturbing. He's not a Muslim, first of all.

As i said in this forum when the guy was elected and this subject came up.

As BO's father is a Muslim, then by Islamic law he (BO) is a Muslim. There is no reneging on this.

If he changes religion or denies Islam, then he is an apostate and by Islamic law every true Muslim has a duty to kill him.

As this has not happened, I assume all Muslims regard him as a fellow Muslim.

Very true, Mr. Bear.

Since I have lived in Muslim countries over 35 years, I concur.

Jingthing - I have lived and worked in the following cointries - Saudi Arabia - 12 years; Libya - 10 years; UAE - 4 years; Indonesia - 3 years; Iran - 3 years. Studied Islam (out of interest, not conviction) 4 years.

The link below is to JihadWatch - an anti-fanatic website. I recommend that you read the one page article.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2004/04/islam-apostasy-and-human-rights.html

ChuckD - I know the pain

Oh please. He was raised by his Mama! He hardly ever saw his Daddy. Why do the right wingers persist with this irrational birther/he's a Muslim rubbish? I guess I know why. Political damage reasons but it's unseemly.

How Obama plans to win in November:

http://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2012/05/16/53000-dead-voters-found-in-florida/

The Obama brainwashing in school is not working well in North Carolina. Just don't listen to the embarrassing audio file, just read the selected transcript.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/n-c-teacher-tells-student-he-could-be-arrested-for-talking-badly-about-obama/

The whole way the American elections are set up are fundamentally flawed so it is largely irrelevant who wins it as more so than most countries, it's the beyond the power of the vote administrators who run the show;

Yr 1-2; Cleans up mess from previous administration (or says so to mitigate bad performance in the future by blaming them)

Yr3 - for 6 months Tries to implement some policy then starts campaigning for Election

Yr 4 - Election year - anything other than campaigning as well as lining pocket in case it goes tits up is not on their agenda

(if they win)

Yr 5 - Starts thinking about their personal legacy (either money in their pocket like Dubya, letting crooks off like Clinton, or something for history)

Yr 6 - Tries to implement policy

Yr 7 - loses any support from other politicians as ....Electioneering starts

yr 8 - Feet up, game over, maximise income.

It doesn't really matter who wins as was proven by Ronnie Regan being in place for 8 years. An Actor acting his biggest role and Dubya being on holiday for 40% of his administration.

As for who should win? Proven Lier Romney or presumed lier Obama? Does it matter?

Shame there is no female (not Clinton) or Muslim candidate. Just imagine the shock waves going through the bible belt.

Interesting. Now it's Muslim v. Mormon! Each of course trying to disown his background?

Earlier on this thread, Obama looked a shoo-in; now he's beginning to look a shoo-out (I hope not, because the alternative is worse).

Much of the rest of the world looks on with boredom at all the shenanigans.

How Obama plans to win in November:

http://pjmedia.com/j...und-in-florida/

And to quote another famous Chicago citizen:

"Vote early and vote often"

Al Capone

The Obama brainwashing in school is not working well in North Carolina. Just don't listen to the embarrassing audio file, just read the selected transcript.

http://www.theblaze....ly-about-obama/

That teacher is very stupid. Not representative of anything only that one teacher's ignorance of basic American values of free speech. Nothing to do with Obama at all. Just a meaningless anecdote.

How Obama plans to win in November:

http://pjmedia.com/j...und-in-florida/

And to quote another famous Chicago citizen:

"Vote early and vote often"

Al Capone

The right wing obsession with a non-issue while they work overtime to disenfranchise poor and minority voters. We're not fooled.

Interesting. Now it's Muslim v. Mormon! Each of course trying to disown his background?

Earlier on this thread, Obama looked a shoo-in; now he's beginning to look a shoo-out (I hope not, because the alternative is worse).

Much of the rest of the world looks on with boredom at all the shenanigans.

Careful now. Obama is NOT a Muslim! Not trying the hide anything. He wrote all about his family background before. Romney has been a major Mormon leader and of course is definitely a real deal Mormon, smelly magic underwear at all. (Yes, I know.)

Interesting. Now it's Muslim v. Mormon! Each of course trying to disown his background?

Earlier on this thread, Obama looked a shoo-in; now he's beginning to look a shoo-out (I hope not, because the alternative is worse).

Much of the rest of the world looks on with boredom at all the shenanigans.

Careful now. Obama is NOT a Muslim! Not trying the hide anything. He wrote all about his family background before. Romney has been a major Mormon leader and of course is definitely a real deal Mormon, smelly magic underwear at all. (Yes, I know.)

As someone who who despises bigotry you sure love to dish it out, dontchya? The tone of your remarks about Mormonism is offensive. If someone else were to make similar towards blacks, Muslims or gays they'd be banned from this forum in a heartbeat. You can say it is only the "truth", but trust me, myself and hundreds more around here could make similar "truthful" remarks about your favorite group and they would not be tolerated for a second. But you're allowed because I guess there just aren't any Mormons in positions of power here on TV.

How Obama plans to win in November:

http://pjmedia.com/j...und-in-florida/

And to quote another famous Chicago citizen:

"Vote early and vote often"

Al Capone

The right wing obsession with a non-issue while they work overtime to disenfranchise poor and minority voters. We're not fooled.

For the non-American posters out here who think the Republicans are the election-rigging bad guys, did you know it is the Democrats who fight against voters having to show any form of ID when they vote? Democrats, as JT shows, believe that asking for a photo ID before voting scares away poor and minority voters.

On the other hand, Republicans want people to show a valid form of photo identification at the polling booth before they cast their vote.

This way, people cannot vote more than once.

This way, people cannot pose as dead people and vote.

This way felons who are no longer allowed to vote cannot vote.

This way illegal aliens cannot vote.

Obtaining a photo ID in the USA is not difficult and doesn't cost anything.

There are shocking videos out there that show people going to a voting station and pretending to be someone they are not (someone famous) and getting away with it. I have friends who thought I was just bullshitting until I showed them those videos.

Republicans aren't perfect, there are surely some on the fringe who try to cheat at the voting booth, but the Democrats have made this cheating a central part of their election strategy for many years.

If you are a foreign tourist in America next November, ask a friend who doesn't care to vote if you can vote for them. Just go to the polling station, tell them your name and address and go cast your vote! They'll give you one of those cute little "I voted!" stickers to wear. What a neat souvenir of your trip to America!

A classic case of evidence of improper voting. Although no vote actually took place, the polling authorities were prepared to provide the ballot of Eric Holder to the requester without photo ID.

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Interesting. Now it's Muslim v. Mormon! Each of course trying to disown his background?

Earlier on this thread, Obama looked a shoo-in; now he's beginning to look a shoo-out (I hope not, because the alternative is worse).

Much of the rest of the world looks on with boredom at all the shenanigans.

Careful now. Obama is NOT a Muslim! Not trying the hide anything. He wrote all about his family background before. Romney has been a major Mormon leader and of course is definitely a real deal Mormon, smelly magic underwear at all. (Yes, I know.)

As someone who who despises bigotry you sure love to dish it out, dontchya? The tone of your remarks about Mormonism is offensive. If someone else were to make similar towards blacks, Muslims or gays they'd be banned from this forum in a heartbeat. You can say it is only the "truth", but trust me, myself and hundreds more around here could make similar "truthful" remarks about your favorite group and they would not be tolerated for a second. But you're allowed because I guess there just aren't any Mormons in positions of power here on TV.

1. My first line was clearly tongue-in-cheek. (I was tempted to leave in my mis-typing 'tongue-in-sheik)

2. As a Catholic, I think I can say what I like about Mormons (not specifically about their beliefs), as Jingthing says what he likes about mine. Both of us, IMO, would be wrong to do so.

3. Yes, the rest of the world does think the whole long-drawn-out American election procedure a bore. But if we don't say so, you might actually think it was gripping, mightn't you?

Interesting. Now it's Muslim v. Mormon! Each of course trying to disown his background?

Earlier on this thread, Obama looked a shoo-in; now he's beginning to look a shoo-out (I hope not, because the alternative is worse).

Much of the rest of the world looks on with boredom at all the shenanigans.

Careful now. Obama is NOT a Muslim! Not trying the hide anything. He wrote all about his family background before. Romney has been a major Mormon leader and of course is definitely a real deal Mormon, smelly magic underwear at all. (Yes, I know.)

As someone who who despises bigotry you sure love to dish it out, dontchya? The tone of your remarks about Mormonism is offensive. If someone else were to make similar towards blacks, Muslims or gays they'd be banned from this forum in a heartbeat. You can say it is only the "truth", but trust me, myself and hundreds more around here could make similar "truthful" remarks about your favorite group and they would not be tolerated for a second. But you're allowed because I guess there just aren't any Mormons in positions of power here on TV.

1. My first line was clearly tongue-in-cheek. (I was tempted to leave in my mis-typing 'tongue-in-sheik)

2. As a Catholic, I think I can say what I like about Mormons (not specifically about their beliefs), as Jingthing says what he likes about mine. Both of us, IMO, would be wrong to do so.

3. Yes, the rest of the world does think the whole long-drawn-out American election procedure a bore. But if we don't say so, you might actually think it was gripping, mightn't you?

I'm not sure what that was about. I took no issue with what you wrote. My reply was made to JT about his several posts about Mormons.

Sorry if that was not clear, Koheesti. My post was mainly a reply to JT... and I included your post in the quote because I agreed with you!

This just in. It seems Obama will take Kentucky by some 60% to 40% over...."Uncommitted". In other words, "nobody".

________________________________________________________

'Uncommitted' Gives Obama a Run in Kentucky

9:03 PM, MAY 22, 2012 • BY DANIEL HALPER

'Uncommitted' is keeping it closer than expected in the Kentucky Democratic presidential primary. With 104 of 120 counties counted, President Barack Obama leads 'Uncommitted' by only 20 percentage points. The tally so far: Obama with 105,487 votes (or 60.04 percent of the vote), while 'Uncommitted' claims 70,211 votes (or 39.96 percent).

http://www.weeklysta...cky_645774.html

Edit in from the article:

(UPDATE: With 99.8 percent reporting, Barack Obama has 119,245 votes, while 'Uncommitted' has 86,789 votes. That is, Obama has 57.9 percent of the vote, while 'Uncommitted' has 42.1 percent.)

This just in. It seems Obama will take Kentucky by some 60% to 40% over...."Uncommitted". In other words, "nobody".

________________________________________________________

'Uncommitted' Gives Obama a Run in Kentucky

9:03 PM, MAY 22, 2012 • BY DANIEL HALPER

'Uncommitted' is keeping it closer than expected in the Kentucky Democratic presidential primary. With 104 of 120 counties counted, President Barack Obama leads 'Uncommitted' by only 20 percentage points. The tally so far: Obama with 105,487 votes (or 60.04 percent of the vote), while 'Uncommitted' claims 70,211 votes (or 39.96 percent).

http://www.weeklysta...cky_645774.html

Edit in from the article:

(UPDATE: With 99.8 percent reporting, Barack Obama has 119,245 votes, while 'Uncommitted' has 86,789 votes. That is, Obama has 57.9 percent of the vote, while 'Uncommitted' has 42.1 percent.)

While the Uncommitted probably won't vote for Romney in November, it does show that the Democrat party aren't feeling the love for Obama like they were 4 years ago. It will likely affect Democrat turnout on voting day in November.

This just in. It seems Obama will take Kentucky by some 60% to 40% over...."Uncommitted". In other words, "nobody".

________________________________________________________

'Uncommitted' Gives Obama a Run in Kentucky

9:03 PM, MAY 22, 2012 • BY DANIEL HALPER

'Uncommitted' is keeping it closer than expected in the Kentucky Democratic presidential primary. With 104 of 120 counties counted, President Barack Obama leads 'Uncommitted' by only 20 percentage points. The tally so far: Obama with 105,487 votes (or 60.04 percent of the vote), while 'Uncommitted' claims 70,211 votes (or 39.96 percent).

http://www.weeklysta...cky_645774.html

Edit in from the article:

(UPDATE: With 99.8 percent reporting, Barack Obama has 119,245 votes, while 'Uncommitted' has 86,789 votes. That is, Obama has 57.9 percent of the vote, while 'Uncommitted' has 42.1 percent.)

While the Uncommitted probably won't vote for Romney in November, it does show that the Democrat party aren't feeling the love for Obama like they were 4 years ago. It will likely affect Democrat turnout on voting day in November.

He seems to be hung up around 60% from his own party.

He got 60% in Kentucky against "nobody", 60% in West Virginia against a guy serving hard time in a federal penitentiary and is expected to get less than 60% in Arkansas against some unknown lawyer.

Seems lots of Democrats are "hoping" their leader "changes".

Interesting. Now it's Muslim v. Mormon! Each of course trying to disown his background?

Earlier on this thread, Obama looked a shoo-in; now he's beginning to look a shoo-out (I hope not, because the alternative is worse).

Much of the rest of the world looks on with boredom at all the shenanigans.

Careful now. Obama is NOT a Muslim! Not trying the hide anything. He wrote all about his family background before. Romney has been a major Mormon leader and of course is definitely a real deal Mormon, smelly magic underwear at all. (Yes, I know.)

As someone who who despises bigotry you sure love to dish it out, dontchya? The tone of your remarks about Mormonism is offensive. If someone else were to make similar towards blacks, Muslims or gays they'd be banned from this forum in a heartbeat. You can say it is only the "truth", but trust me, myself and hundreds more around here could make similar "truthful" remarks about your favorite group and they would not be tolerated for a second. But you're allowed because I guess there just aren't any Mormons in positions of power here on TV.

Excuse me, but if there have been millions of words published about Obama's African background, why is it off limits to talk about Romney's Mormon background, which let's face it is definitely "weirder" to most American voters.

Right wingers can gossip about Obama's Daddy, but what about Romney's Grandpa, the one that fled to Mexico so he could have MULTIPLE brides as Mormons did and some rogue Mormons still do? This from a man who was a leader of a church that openly funds opposition to legal same sex marriage, denying equal civil rights to an entire class of fellow citizens. A type of marriage that now enjoys more public acceptance than ever (today a polled showed 53 percent for legalization; only 39 percent against). What do you reckon the public support is for polygamy? 3 percent? Mostly Mormons.

The truth is people are indeed very curious about the Mormon underwear when they learn about it. Undergarments that you wear all the time. Its not a myth. It's a fact. Smelly? Who would have thought? Don't be naive. If Romney does get elected (God forbid!) people WILL talk lots about the president wearing Mormon underwear. It's a weird thing to imagine and possibly to many more secular Americans, not very appealing.

If this underwear that you wear all the time does indeed, in reality, have a tendency towards smelliness, what's the issue exactly?

From a Mormon source, and self appointed Mormon answerman actually:

-The only strange questions I get are about the 'magic underwear' and do we have to wear them during sex. I usually dismiss the first question saying that they are dirty and smelly but not magical and then 'no' to the second one.

http://mormonmatters...mon-answer-man/

A more amusing source that older British people would be aware of:

"Preparing to give him a warm cinnamon-oil back rub, she rips off his Mormon underwear and burns the "smelly" garments in the fireplace, an act both practical and symbolic."

http://blogs.indiewi...y_errol_morris#

I also don't appreciate trying to turn this into a Jewish issue. Judaism is one of the three ancient Abrahamic religions. A small minority of more devout Jews do some weird stuff, like walk around with forelocks and wear medieval black clothing. Get real, not in a million years is Jew like that going to be a U.S. president. A regular Jew might. What are you going to say? That he wears a yarmulke skullcap at temple? Where is the comparison to Mormon practices, and yes many credible religious thinkers do not think Mormons are actually a Christian religion though that remains an area of controversy.

If a SCIENTOLOGIST was nominated to run for president, wouldn't it be very relevant to talk about the controversial religion of scientology? Of course it would, so why is Mormonism off limits?

OK, this is from a right wing Christian preacher who I probably disagree with on just about everything. However, the case he makes, with factual enforcement, arguing that Mormonism is both not a Christian religion and also is a cult are something that I think is fine to be in the public discussion when we might be electing a Mormon president. Keep in mind, freedom of religion or not, Americans have only up till now elected Christian presidents and it wasn't until 1960 that elected a Catholic Christian in the name of JFK.

http://harlancolt.hu...on-Cult-Comment

Mormon church founder:

"What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

Interesting info in the link that one of his 48 wives was EIGHT years old!

All this going on about Mormons says more about you then them.