Manchester United

[redrus]

United - Welbeck Woe...?

vitalfootball.........

There`s always an inherent danger that when a youngster is sent on loan to gain some much needed regular first team experience, matters don`t always turn out as expected.

If we look at the example ofDanny Welbeck, it was decreed that Danny would be well served by signing for Sunderland, where under the stewardship of Steve Bruce, it was hoped he`d get the experience previously referenced.

Before the season started, Steve sold one Sunderland striker, Kenwyne Jones, to Stoke and it looked as if Danny would get his fair share of starts partnering either Sunderland`s top scorer - Darren Bent, or another United old-boy - Frazier Campbell.

Sadly for Campbell, a knee injury sustained on Saturday has sidelined him for up to six months, which in a harsh sort of way might have given Danny the opportunity to become a Sunderland regular.

That was until yesterday!

On transfer deadline day, Steve Bruce broke Sunderland`s transfer record by purchasing another striker - Asamoah Gyan.

Obviously, his high price would seem to indicate that Steve Bruce is going to partner Gyan with Bent, leaving Danny`s hopes for regular first team football not looking too far removed from the hopes he had at Old Trafford!

Would Danny have been better served dropping into the Championship?

Read more: http://www.manchesterunited.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=211746#ixzz0yINMxQXg

redrus

[redrus]

As already mentioned by Sparkles.

united-latest.com

BREAKING NEWS: United have named injured midfielder Owen Hargreaves in their 25-man Premier League squad. The news comes after intense speculation regarding the 29-year-old's future at Old Trafford.

Hargreaves has been the subject of media speculation regarding his future at Old Trafford recently, with some reports suggested the 29-year-old Canadian-born England International would be left-out of United's 25-man Premier League squad, while some doubted Hargo had a future at the club. Oliveira Anderson was another doubt, but he too has made Sir Alex's list.

At 5pm on Wednesday, ManUtd.Com confirmed that Hargreaves had been included in the League squad, which comprises of 23 registered players. All of The Reds' players have been included in the squad, barring players out on-loan. The club have this evening stated: "All of United's players - barring those currently out on loan - are eligible to play for The Reds in the Premier League this season."

Hargreaves is currently undergoing rehabilitation work in Colorado, United States, while Anderson is set to line-up against Oldham Athletic's Reserves tonight, along with Rio Ferdinand.

redrus

[LeungKen]

So just to recap, the United squad is :-

Manchester United: Darren Fletcher, Tomasz Kuszczak, Darron Gibson, Edwin van der Sar, Ryan Giggs, Wes Brown, Owen Hargreaves, Nani, Anderson, Park Ji-Sung, Jonathan Evans, Patrice Evra, Rio Ferdinand, Paul Scholes, Antonio Valencia, Gary Neville, Dimitar Berbatov, John O'Shea, Javier Hernandez, Nemanja Vidic, Michael Carrick, Michael Owen, Wayne Rooney. (United can also use young players including: Ben Amos, Fabio, Rafael, Ritchie De Laet, Gabriel Obertan, Bebe, Chris Smalling, Federico Macheda.)

[nev]

So just to recap, the United squad is :-

Manchester United: Darren Fletcher, Tomasz Kuszczak, Darron Gibson, Edwin van der Sar, Ryan Giggs, Wes Brown, Owen Hargreaves, Nani, Anderson, Park Ji-Sung, Jonathan Evans, Patrice Evra, Rio Ferdinand, Paul Scholes, Antonio Valencia, Gary Neville, Dimitar Berbatov, John O'Shea, Javier Hernandez, Nemanja Vidic, Michael Carrick, Michael Owen, Wayne Rooney. (United can also use young players including: Ben Amos, Fabio, Rafael, Ritchie De Laet, Gabriel Obertan, Bebe, Chris Smalling, Federico Macheda.)

Not to bad a squad just missing a creative midfielder we all know we need,just hope anderson can come back and fill that spot.

And hargreaves a top player when fit lets hope lads he is over all his problems a fully fit hargreaves would be like a new signing

[carmine]

So just to recap, the United squad is :-

Manchester United: Darren Fletcher, Tomasz Kuszczak, Darron Gibson, Edwin van der Sar, Ryan Giggs, Wes Brown, Owen Hargreaves, Nani, Anderson, Park Ji-Sung, Jonathan Evans, Patrice Evra, Rio Ferdinand, Paul Scholes, Antonio Valencia, Gary Neville, Dimitar Berbatov, John O'Shea, Javier Hernandez, Nemanja Vidic, Michael Carrick, Michael Owen, Wayne Rooney. (United can also use young players including: Ben Amos, Fabio, Rafael, Ritchie De Laet, Gabriel Obertan, Bebe, Chris Smalling, Federico Macheda.)

Not to bad a squad just missing a creative midfielder we all know we need,just hope anderson can come back and fill that spot.

And hargreaves a top player when fit lets hope lads he is over all his problems a fully fit hargreaves would be like a new signing

Yes he would be like a new signing, and crucial in your title bid.

Reading this Nev made me think how much England could have done with a fit Owen Hargreaves and Jonathon Woodgate in South Africa. Atleast it appears Hargreaves is going to play again, as it looks like Woodgate is going to have to retire.

[nev]

Not to bad a squad just missing a creative midfielder we all know we need,just hope anderson can come back and fill that spot.

And hargreaves a top player when fit lets hope lads he is over all his problems a fully fit hargreaves would be like a new signing

Yes he would be like a new signing, and crucial in your title bid.

Reading this Nev made me think how much England could have done with a fit Owen Hargreaves and Jonathon Woodgate in South Africa. Atleast it appears Hargreaves is going to play again, as it looks like Woodgate is going to have to retire.

Yes sad about woodgate and fingers crossed that hargreaves can make it back for united and england.

Also there is a excellent article in the dailymail today about our new signing bebe,i really do hope this lad makes it.

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/artical-1308178

[Sparkles]

Amuses me about the hysteria with Bebe. United scouts from that part of the world have a fairly decent track record of finding young players with huge POTENTIAL. A certain Cristiano Ronaldo springs to mind. He didnt turn out to be too bad. With any young players time will tell. Speaking of talent young Diouf looked the part the other night for Blackburn,before he ran out of legs, and Macheda scored a blinder for the reserves in Ferdinands comeback. If they all come good United will not need to be spending the sort of crazy money some clubs are willing to for quite some time.

[Sparkles]

I think Uniteds squad was as expected. What it does for English football at a national level still escapes me. I wish there was more information on Hargreaves ,like a monthly bulletin. He hasn't played for what 2 years? Would have been ,in my opinion, a natural for the captaincy position for England to.

[carmine]

Amuses me about the hysteria with Bebe. United scouts from that part of the world have a fairly decent track record of finding young players with huge POTENTIAL. A certain Cristiano Ronaldo springs to mind. He didnt turn out to be too bad. With any young players time will tell. Speaking of talent young Diouf looked the part the other night for Blackburn,before he ran out of legs, and Macheda scored a blinder for the reserves in Ferdinands comeback. If they all come good United will not need to be spending the sort of crazy money some clubs are willing to for quite some time.

That may well turn out to be true but then again you have spent enough crazy money on you squad already have'nt you.

[rixalex]

That may well turn out to be true but then again you have spent enough crazy money on you squad already have'nt you.

It's all relative. For a club of our size i think in recent history our spending has been very tame. I bet if one was compare what we have spent with what other big clubs around Europe have spent over the last five years we would be way down the order.

[BIGTOE3]

That may well turn out to be true but then again you have spent enough crazy money on you squad already have'nt you.

It's all relative. For a club of our size i think in recent history our spending has been very tame. I bet if one was compare what we have spent with what other big clubs around Europe have spent over the last five years we would be way down the order.

It would be intresting to find out our Net spend over the last 5 years compared to other clubs, there must be some smart boffins out there who can find this info ?.

BT

[rixalex]

That may well turn out to be true but then again you have spent enough crazy money on you squad already have'nt you.

It's all relative. For a club of our size i think in recent history our spending has been very tame. I bet if one was compare what we have spent with what other big clubs around Europe have spent over the last five years we would be way down the order.

It would be intresting to find out our Net spend over the last 5 years compared to other clubs, there must be some smart boffins out there who can find this info ?.

BT

Don't look at me!

[BIGTOE3]

That may well turn out to be true but then again you have spent enough crazy money on you squad already have'nt you.

It's all relative. For a club of our size i think in recent history our spending has been very tame. I bet if one was compare what we have spent with what other big clubs around Europe have spent over the last five years we would be way down the order.

It would be intresting to find out our Net spend over the last 5 years compared to other clubs, there must be some smart boffins out there who can find this info ?.

BT

Don't look at me!

Found this...

Players Purchased Fee Players Sold Fee Net Total

Season 10/11

Chris Smalling £10,000,000 Ben Foster £6,000,000

Javier Hernandez £6,000,000 Zoran Tosic £7,000,000

Marnick Vermijl £300,000 Tom Heaton Free

Bebe £7,400,000 Ron-Robert Zieler Free

David Gray Free

Craig Cathcart £350,000

Total £23,700,000 £13,350,000 £10,350,000

Season 09/10

Antonio Valencia £16,000,000[1] Cristiano Ronaldo £80,000,000

Michael Owen Free Lee Martin £1,500,000[2]

Gabriel Obertan £3,000,000 Fraizer Campbell £3,500,000[3]

Mame Biram Diouf £2,000,000[4] Richard Eckersley Tribunal

Paul Pogba Nominal Manucho undisclosed

Danile Galbraith Free

Carlos Tevez Free

Danny Simpson £500,000

Total £21,000,000 £85,500,000 -£64,500,000

Season 08/09

Demitar Berbatov £30,750,000 Ritchie Jones Free

Zoran Tosic £5,000,000[5] Chris Eagles £1,250,000

Adem Ljajic Cancelled[6] Michael Lea Free

Ritchie De Laet Undisclosed Mikel Sylvestre £750,000

Louis Saha Signed

Total £35,750,000 £2,000,000 £33,750,000

Season 07/08

Manucho Signed Gerard Pique £6,000,000

Carlos Tevez £9,000,000[7] Kieran Lee Free

Nani £13,500,000 Phil Bardsley £2,000,000

Tomasz Kuszczak £2,150,000 Ryan Shawcross £1,000,000

Anderson £15,000,000 Adam Eckersley Free

Owen Hargreaves £17,000,000 Phil Marsh Free

Rafael Da Silva £2,500,000 Gabriel Heinze £8,000,000

Fabio Da Silva £2,600,000 Alan Smith £6,000,000

Rodrigo Possebon Signed Daniel Rose Signed

Giuseppe Rossi £6,700,000

Kieran Richardson £5,500,000

Total £61,750,000 £35,200,000 £26,550,000

Season 06/07

Michael Carrick £18,600,000 Tim Howard £3,000,000

David Jones £1,000,000

Liam Miller Free

Paul McShane Free

Luke Steele Signed

Ruud van Nistelrooy £10,300,000

Quinton Fortune Free

Sylvain Ebanks-Blake £200,000

Total £18,600,000 £14,500,000 £4,100,000

Season 05/06

Patrice Evra £5,500,000 John Mikel Obi £12,000,000

Nemanja Vidic £7,000,000 Eddie Johnson Free

Ben Foster £1,000,000 Jonathan Spector £500,000

Ji-Sung Park £4,000,000 Tommy Lee Free

Edwin Van Der Sar £2,000,000[8] Phil Picken Free

Colin Heath Signed

Neil Wood Free

David Fox Free

Roy Keane Free

Kleberson £2,500,000

Phil Neville £3,500,000

Michael Stewart Signed

Paul Tierney Signed

David Bellion Undisclosed

Daniel Nardiello Free

Total £19,500,000 £18,500,000 £1,000,000

On a transfer league site.

BT

[BIGTOE3]

That may well turn out to be true but then again you have spent enough crazy money on you squad already have'nt you.

It's all relative. For a club of our size i think in recent history our spending has been very tame. I bet if one was compare what we have spent with what other big clubs around Europe have spent over the last five years we would be way down the order.

It would be intresting to find out our Net spend over the last 5 years compared to other clubs, there must be some smart boffins out there who can find this info ?.

BT

Don't look at me!

Here is the proof Rix.

# 2006 - 2011 Purchased Gross Sold Nett Per Season

1 Manchester City £428,670,000 £55,050,000 £373,620,000 £74,724,000

2 Tottenham £225,800,000 £135,100,000 £90,700,000 £18,140,000

3 Sunderland £116,850,000 £46,725,000 £70,125,000 £14,025,000

4 Aston Villa £124,850,000 £62,050,000 £62,800,000 £12,560,000

5 Liverpool £194,790,000 £149,480,000 £45,310,000 £ 9,062,000

6 Stoke City £53,000,000 £10,920,000 £42,080,000 £ 8,416,000

7 West Ham £99,070,000 £68,225,000 £30,845,000 £ 6,169,000

8 Fulham £59,675,000 £28,875,000 £30,800,000 £ 6,160,000

9 Wolves £33,025,000 £8,225,000 £24,800,000 £ 4,960,000

10 Chelsea £123,500,000 £101,800,000 £21,700,000 £ 4,340,000

11 Everton £64,750,500 £45,250,000 £19,500,500 £ 3,900,100

12 West Bromwich Albion £46,585,000 £27,560,000 £19,025,000 £ 3,805,000

15 Bolton £45,250,000 £26,750,000 £18,500,000 £ 3,700,000

14 Birmingham City £68,675,000 £50,350,000 £18,325,000 £ 3,665,000

15 Manchester United £160,800,000 £150,550,000 £10,250,000 £ 2,050,000

16 Blackpool £3,700,000 £250,000 £ 3,450,000 £ 690,000

17 Wigan £57,900,000 £60,200,000 -£2,300,000 -£ 460,000

18 Blackburn Rovers £38,752,000 £47,240,000 -£8,488,000 -£1,697,600

19 Newcastle £63,100,000 £75,150,000 -£12,050,000 -£2,410,000

20 Arsenal £85,150,000 £112,500,000 -£27,350,000 -£5,470,000

[rixalex]

Here is the proof Rix.

At least we now know which one of us is the smart boffin... ain't me mate.

Of course when we look at the net figures, things look very favourable for United thanks to the selling of Ronaldo. Shouldn't though take away from the fact that our club has been run very well, thanks to the savy of SAF in player dealings.

[nev]

Here is the proof Rix.

At least we now know which one of us is the smart boffin... ain't me mate.

Of course when we look at the net figures, things look very favourable for United thanks to the selling of Ronaldo. Shouldn't though take away from the fact that our club has been run very well, thanks to the savy of SAF in player dealings.

He is a tight fisted scottish git our manager and long may he continue to be.

[StevieH]

oh dear wayne. oh dear. bye bye coleen and half of your money.

[Englander]

oh dear wayne. oh dear. bye bye coleen and half of your money.

This one was on improvement on the granny.

Smoking though, surely when ManU give him 6 million pounds a year its be in their interest to have a clause banning him from such an activity.

Anyway 1 player down 2 more to be named.

[BIGTOE3]

Here is the proof Rix.

At least we now know which one of us is the smart boffin... ain't me mate.

Of course when we look at the net figures, things look very favourable for United thanks to the selling of Ronaldo. Shouldn't though take away from the fact that our club has been run very well, thanks to the savy of SAF in player dealings.

He is a tight fisted scottish git our manager and long may he continue to be.

I am sure you meant " He is a tight fisted manager and long may he continue to be."

Thanks BT

[StevieH]

oh dear wayne. oh dear. bye bye coleen and half of your money.

This one was on improvement on the granny.

Smoking though, surely when ManU give him 6 million pounds a year its be in their interest to have a clause banning him from such an activity.

Anyway 1 player down 2 more to be named.

rooney's smoked for years. and i've read football physios say that a few fags here and there really makes no difference to a footballer's fitness when they train every single day.

[Englander]

oh dear wayne. oh dear. bye bye coleen and half of your money.

This one was on improvement on the granny.

Smoking though, surely when ManU give him 6 million pounds a year its be in their interest to have a clause banning him from such an activity.

Anyway 1 player down 2 more to be named.

rooney's smoked for years. and i've read football physios say that a few fags here and there really makes no difference to a footballer's fitness when they train every single day.

Medically speaking a phsio wouldnt have a clue about this, a Pulmonolgist might, but judging by his performances of late they arent helping.

But as someone who smokes stinking cigarettes occasionally and keeps fit, im almost certain that there is no way on gods earth that a few a day or a few several times a week should one train frequently do no harm. Furthermore we dont know that its only a few cigarettes now and then.

[Abrak]

# 2006 - 2011 Purchased Gross Sold Nett Per Season

1 Manchester City £428,670,000 £55,050,000 £373,620,000 £74,724,000

2 Tottenham £225,800,000 £135,100,000 £90,700,000 £18,140,000

3 Sunderland £116,850,000 £46,725,000 £70,125,000 £14,025,000

4 Aston Villa £124,850,000 £62,050,000 £62,800,000 £12,560,000

5 Liverpool £194,790,000 £149,480,000 £45,310,000 £ 9,062,000

6 Stoke City £53,000,000 £10,920,000 £42,080,000 £ 8,416,000

7 West Ham £99,070,000 £68,225,000 £30,845,000 £ 6,169,000

8 Fulham £59,675,000 £28,875,000 £30,800,000 £ 6,160,000

9 Wolves £33,025,000 £8,225,000 £24,800,000 £ 4,960,000

10 Chelsea £123,500,000 £101,800,000 £21,700,000 £ 4,340,000

11 Everton £64,750,500 £45,250,000 £19,500,500 £ 3,900,100

12 West Bromwich Albion £46,585,000 £27,560,000 £19,025,000 £ 3,805,000

15 Bolton £45,250,000 £26,750,000 £18,500,000 £ 3,700,000

14 Birmingham City £68,675,000 £50,350,000 £18,325,000 £ 3,665,000

15 Manchester United £160,800,000 £150,550,000 £10,250,000 £ 2,050,000

16 Blackpool £3,700,000 £250,000 £ 3,450,000 £ 690,000

17 Wigan £57,900,000 £60,200,000 -£2,300,000 -£ 460,000

18 Blackburn Rovers £38,752,000 £47,240,000 -£8,488,000 -£1,697,600

19 Newcastle £63,100,000 £75,150,000 -£12,050,000 -£2,410,000

20 Arsenal £85,150,000 £112,500,000 -£27,350,000 -£5,470,000

Sorry I am a little confused by the numbers

1. is purchases

2. is sales

3. is net balance

4. average per season

I guess that is right. Amazing numbers. You can see why Wenger is paid so much. And Man City is so totally outrageous GBP34m per player (at 11 players.) It is a total scam. Interesting to see Chelsea so low and that spending stopped so long ago.

So Tottenham have been net spending most but they have been declaring profits from player transactions. Their capitalized intangibles (players) have risen from GBP30m to GBP120m and liabilities from GBP70m to GBP230m. That is as June 2009.

[rixalex]

oh dear wayne. oh dear. bye bye coleen and half of your money.

Stupid twunt.

How stupid can these players be to not realise that the tabloids will at some point get wind of these sorts of activities, and when they do, there will be consequences that outweigh the five minutes of frolicking they enjoyed. Words fail me...

[LeungKen]

oh dear wayne. oh dear. bye bye coleen and half of your money.

Stupid twunt.

How stupid can these players be to not realise that the tabloids will at some point get wind of these sorts of activities, and when they do, there will be consequences that outweigh the five minutes of frolicking they enjoyed. Words fail me...

"A person who never made a mistake never tried anything new" - Albert Einstein

or perhaps

"You will do foolish things, but do them with enthusiasm" - Collette

Though I doubt Fergie will be quoting either............

[nev]

Cannot bag rooney he is still a young lad and got married and had kids to young,you have the fame and the money the girls will come chasing.

I Have not read the tabloids so i commenting on something i know nothing about

Can someone fill me in what he has been up too.

[StevieH]

oh dear wayne. oh dear. bye bye coleen and half of your money.

Stupid twunt.

How stupid can these players be to not realise that the tabloids will at some point get wind of these sorts of activities, and when they do, there will be consequences that outweigh the five minutes of frolicking they enjoyed. Words fail me...

the news of the world story was interesting, the made-up quotes they attributed to the call girl really banged on about rooney being arrogant, thought he could get away with whatever he liked 'cos he has money etc. he'll probably lose a few endorsements behind this as well.

[StevieH]

Cannot bag rooney he is still a young lad and got married and had kids to young,you have the fame and the money the girls will come chasing.

I Have not read the tabloids so i commenting on something i know nothing about

Can someone fill me in what he has been up too.

dipping his wick in a manchester hooker while coleen was pregnant.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/

[Englander]

Cannot bag rooney he is still a young lad and got married and had kids to young,you have the fame and the money the girls will come chasing.

I Have not read the tabloids so i commenting on something i know nothing about

Can someone fill me in what he has been up too.

He's been beating the granny into some slightly above average looking Manc brass whilst Coleen (who is Rooneys WAG) was knocked up.

[mrbojangles]

Cannot bag rooney he is still a young lad and got married and had kids to young,you have the fame and the money the girls will come chasing.

No nev, even with all his money the girls don't come chasing and he has to purchase a hookers services for a grand. Mind you, she normally charges 250quid but upped the price when she saw how good looking he is

[rixalex]

Cannot bag rooney he is still a young lad and got married and had kids to young,you have the fame and the money the girls will come chasing.

I Have not read the tabloids so i commenting on something i know nothing about

Can someone fill me in what he has been up too.

Can someone fill me in on what "cannot bag" means?