Thai Police Hunt For Portuguese Men In Phi-Phi Island Hotel Death Case

[Nisa]

Particularly poignant when seeing the photos of the healthy happy girls.

Dozens of young folks come and go to my farm up here in Chiang Rai, via a work-exchange / home-stay program. All leave with smiles - plus they learn useful skills, like organic gardening, alternative building techniques, alternative power mechanics, etc.

Quite a bit different from Phuket and Pattaya, where young folks get drunk, hung-over, ripped off by jet-ski renters and taxis, and sometimes get sick and die.

I think Phuket has actually become worse than Pattaya on many levels and maybe one of the most dangerous cities in the country. It has taken a very sharp turn since the Tsunami. But good to remind ourselves that foul play has not been found to be the case with these girls at least not yet or at least not made public.

[canuckamuck]

Particularly poignant when seeing the photos of the healthy happy girls.

Dozens of young folks come and go to my farm up here in Chiang Rai, via a work-exchange / home-stay program. All leave with smiles - plus they learn useful skills, like organic gardening, alternative building techniques, alternative power mechanics, etc.

Quite a bit different from Phuket and Pattaya, where young folks get drunk, hung-over, ripped off by jet-ski renters and taxis, and sometimes get sick and die.

I think Phuket has actually become worse than Pattaya on many levels and maybe one of the most dangerous cities in the country. It has taken a very sharp turn since the Tsunami. But good to remind ourselves that foul play has not been found to be the case with these girls at least not yet or at least not made public.

But if no foul play then definitely gross criminal negligence has occurred, and danger remains.

[Nisa]

Particularly poignant when seeing the photos of the healthy happy girls.

Dozens of young folks come and go to my farm up here in Chiang Rai, via a work-exchange / home-stay program. All leave with smiles - plus they learn useful skills, like organic gardening, alternative building techniques, alternative power mechanics, etc.

Quite a bit different from Phuket and Pattaya, where young folks get drunk, hung-over, ripped off by jet-ski renters and taxis, and sometimes get sick and die.

I think Phuket has actually become worse than Pattaya on many levels and maybe one of the most dangerous cities in the country. It has taken a very sharp turn since the Tsunami. But good to remind ourselves that foul play has not been found to be the case with these girls at least not yet or at least not made public.

But if no foul play then definitely gross criminal negligence has occurred, and danger remains.

I think the only facts are is we don't have them (facts) yet.

[meand]

^well, the other important fact is that it is taking WAY too long to get the facts.

[Nisa]

^well, the other important fact is that it is taking WAY too long to get the facts.

From a personal desire to want to know, yes. But from an investigative angle, not at all. I highly doubt we will have a cause of death in a few days when they announce the results of the preliminary autopsy done in Thailand. It takes weeks to more than a month to get toxicology reports back. This is the norm anywhere including Canada where autopsies will be performed soon. While the preliminary autopsy will likely show what organ failure occurred, it is very unlikely they will know what the underlying cause was at this point.

Edited June 24, 2012 by Nisa

[pauljones]

Chlorpyrifos can cause cholinesterase inhibition in humans; that is, it can overstimulate the nervous system causing nausea, dizziness, confusion, and at very high exposures (e.g., accidents or major spills), respiratory paralysis and death.

If there is a bedbug problem at the hotel, I assume the staff sprays the bed.

Edited June 24, 2012 by pauljones

[cowslip]

What really worries me is what were the staff doing whilst these girls suffered. I can't believe this all went un-noticed. Surely they would have called for help or even contacted the hotel staff or reception .......... did they just stand by and hope it would get better or just go away? - The "Thai way"?????

[pauljones]

A quik search on the travel forums reveal bug problems at this hotel.

http://www.agoda.com/asia/thailand/koh_phi_phi_krabi/phi_phi_palms_residence/reviews.html

[EyesWideOpen]

If it were insecticide you'd see deaths of staff and other guests not just two. I doubt it is anything to do with the hotel which is a bit obvious.

I agree. One would assume that the same bug spray methods would be used in all the rooms. Hence if the killing agent really was insecticide , it would affect the other guests and they would be hauling bodies out of Phi Phi by the boatload.....

[LomSak27]

Obviously Mendes Pinto was involved. This will be a tough one for the men in tight brown, but I'm sure the lads will give it their all.

[Nisa]

A quik search on the travel forums reveal bug problems at this hotel.

http://www.agoda.com...ce/reviews.html

Those comments are recent too including from June 06, 2012 .

[TinoThailand]

What really worries me is what were the staff doing whilst these girls suffered. I can't believe this all went un-noticed. Surely they would have called for help or even contacted the hotel staff or reception .......... did they just stand by and hope it would get better or just go away? - The "Thai way"?????

I always see a comment like yours in this kind of news.

1. It's normal you not check in all the rooms all the time if nobody asks you to do so

2. Nothing is for sure

[TinoThailand]

A quik search on the travel forums reveal bug problems at this hotel.

http://www.agoda.com...ce/reviews.html

Those comments are recent too including from June 06, 2012 .

Very wide comments. From clean to bed bugs and humit. From friendly to unfriendly.

I really hope it's not just a bug spray, that would be so sad and stupid.

Thai often make a bed that can't breath. Under the mattras they put a square peace of wood with no holes for ventilation.

The most famous bug spray in Thailand is:

เซนไดร้ท์1 / CHAINDRITE 1

i THINK IT'S VERY STRONG AND AFTER SPAY IT, IT STAYS 4 WEEKS THEY SAY

Edited June 24, 2012 by TinoThailand

[Nisa]

Samantha Kay flees to Malaysia ... http://www.scotsman....iland-1-2371209

Some of here earlier comments to the press ...

Sami Kay (24) also fell ill and spent three days in hospital. She paid about £200 for a year's insurance.

''My job is going out and speaking to people and handing them leaflets, taking them into bars and restaurants and chatting to them,"

"I was just talking with them and dancing with them last week.''

''One of my friends walked one of them home and he was arrested but they know it wasn't anything to do with him."

"you can buy all sorts of stuff here and some people say it could have been something they bought on the beach. You have to be really careful about what you buy and where you buy it from."

"I really just want to get to Australia now. I can't wait to get out of here."

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/News/Dundee/article/23413/dundee-woman-stranded-in-thai-resort-at-centre-of-probe-into-canadian-sisters-deaths.html

http://www.scotsman.com/news/international/scot-left-stranded-on-thai-island-after-her-friends-poisoned-1-2363027

Edited June 24, 2012 by Nisa

[geriatrickid]

I have been informed that the bodies of the two women are now in Montreal, Quebec, Canada at the provincial facility.

The appointed coroner is Renée Roussel, MD. Although there are some news reports stating that she is conducting the autopsy, that is not likely the case. She is a part time coroner and is a GP in the region where the 2 women come from. Her job will be to review the findings of the autopsy and hold an inquest if need be.

The reason why a regional coroner was used, is that this is standard practice. As well, this will allow someone that knows and understands the behaviours of people from the region. Considering the small population, this will probably facilitate her investigation when she has to determine if there was a history of drug abuse, risky behaviour etc. (Please note that I am not saying that this is the case, but the coroner has to investigate all aspects.) Should the autopsy support the need, and should there be public pressure, she will hold a full inquest. A coroner's inquest can take a year or more, if witnesses have to be called etc.

I think we shall have some reliable information in respect to the physical evidence within the next month.

I really do hope there is a full coroner's inquiry. It is the only way the full truth can be determined. If there is one, you can bet there will be a solicitation of foreign input. Thailand won't be able to put any diplomatic pressure on the process as this is a provincial undertaking and provincial coroners are independent,

Edited June 24, 2012 by geriatrickid

[kjhbigv]

Samantha Kay flees to Malaysia ... http://www.scotsman....iland-1-2371209

Some of here earlier comments to the press ...

Sami Kay (24) also fell ill and spent three days in hospital. She paid about £200 for a year's insurance.

''My job is going out and speaking to people and handing them leaflets, taking them into bars and restaurants and chatting to them,"

"I was just talking with them and dancing with them last week.''

''One of my friends walked one of them home and he was arrested but they know it wasn't anything to do with him."

"you can buy all sorts of stuff here and some people say it could have been something they bought on the beach. You have to be really careful about what you buy and where you buy it from."

"I really just want to get to Australia now. I can't wait to get out of here."

http://www.thecourie...ers-deaths.html

http://www.scotsman....soned-1-2363027

Quality, all witnesses to these tragic events have "done the off", I hope she at least gave some info to the BiB about what they did consume!

Would not be good to see the same happen to someone else!

[LomSak27]

I hope she at least gave some info to the BiB about what they did consume!

Strange we must have read Two Different Articles. The one I read said nothing about what they may have consumed as Sami by her own admission was not with them - comsumed nothing with them and knows nothing about what the two did that day.

Her comment was about herself and what might have happend - BUT sha has no clues as to what they did - maybe aliens got them - maybe arsenic and old lace - , Sam Rami has as much frist hand info on that as she does about what they MIGHT have consumed

Look I have no problems with the Thaivisa supersleuths out there, but PLEASE put the LEO down before you post!! Thank You

[cowslip]

What really worries me is what were the staff doing whilst these girls suffered. I can't believe this all went un-noticed. Surely they would have called for help or even contacted the hotel staff or reception .......... did they just stand by and hope it would get better or just go away? - The "Thai way"?????

I always see a comment like yours in this kind of news.

1. It's normal you not check in all the rooms all the time if nobody asks you to do so

2. Nothing is for sure

sorry but your reply seems to be nonsense and ignores common sense.

If I or my room mate got suddenly ill, I'd try to raise the alarm.

Edited June 24, 2012 by cowslip

[cowslip]

THe insecticide theory has been proposed for many of these deaths.

Could it be possible that some procedure has been overlooked allowing toxic amounts of this stuff to hang around long after their use?

THis is precisely the kind of thing the locals would want to cover up.

[Nisa]

What really worries me is what were the staff doing whilst these girls suffered. I can't believe this all went un-noticed. Surely they would have called for help or even contacted the hotel staff or reception .......... did they just stand by and hope it would get better or just go away? - The "Thai way"?????

I always see a comment like yours in this kind of news.

1. It's normal you not check in all the rooms all the time if nobody asks you to do so

2. Nothing is for sure

sorry but your reply seems to be nonsense and ignores common sense.

If I or my room mate got suddenly ill, I'd try to raise the alarm.

Agree but then again your assumption the hotel knew about the girls being sick or should have known about the girls being sick is kind of far fetched based on everything reported.

Edited June 24, 2012 by Nisa

[mommysboy]

THe insecticide theory has been proposed for many of these deaths.

Could it be possible that some procedure has been overlooked allowing toxic amounts of this stuff to hang around long after their use?

THis is precisely the kind of thing the locals would want to cover up.

Most likely yes, you just have to know Thai people to realise this.

Failing this, then deliberate poisoning either in the room, or a spiked drink/food next most likely.

Booze and motrin no way.

[cowslip]

What really worries me is what were the staff doing whilst these girls suffered. I can't believe this all went un-noticed. Surely they would have called for help or even contacted the hotel staff or reception .......... did they just stand by and hope it would get better or just go away? - The "Thai way"?????

I always see a comment like yours in this kind of news.

1. It's normal you not check in all the rooms all the time if nobody asks you to do so

2. Nothing is for sure

sorry but your reply seems to be nonsense and ignores common sense.

If I or my room mate got suddenly ill, I'd try to raise the alarm.

Agree but then again your assumption the hotel knew about the girls being sick or should have known about the girls being sick is kind of far fetched based on everything reported.

i think it is equally likely (probably unprovable) that someone in the hotel knew or saw something but decided to ignore it....confrontation or unpleasantness avoided.

But it is worth bearing in mind if you start feeling ill that help may NOT be at hand.

Edited June 24, 2012 by cowslip

[Nisa]

i think it is equally likely (probably unprovable) that someone in the hotel knew or saw something but decided to ignore it....confrontation or unpleasantness avoided.

But it is worth bearing in mind if you start feeling ill that help may NOT be at hand.

When on a small island you are almost always going to have limited medical facilities but this is a upscale hotel with 24-hour reception and a doctor on call. Absolutely no reason and completely illogical to believe staff wouldn't have assisted them. Even more silly to believe staff saw something beyond what surveillance video showed and that was the girls being escorted to their room by a couple male guests. Not likely at all that hotel staff saw anything they should have intervened with.

[pauljones]

THe insecticide theory has been proposed for many of these deaths.

Could it be possible that some procedure has been overlooked allowing toxic amounts of this stuff to hang around long after their use?

THis is precisely the kind of thing the locals would want to cover up.

A friend of mine runs a big hotel in Bangkok. Very well known, high end place.

If something bad happens, the police are there, ready for a backhander to keep it quiet.

Press too.

[Dario]

"There were neither signs of fighting, nor robbery, but we found many kinds of over-the-counter-drugs, including ibuprofen, which can cause serious effects on the stomach."

Really, ibuprofen is the most dangerous drug they found in their room?

I've never been a basher but this one has finally got to me.

Good god, where is Columbo when we need him.

You can buy valium, clonazepam, xanax, tramadol, you name it, it can be bought without script in a lot of pharmacies here. If you mix benzos with alcohol and maybe a little opiates, you can get yourself into a very very intoxicated state where you pass out and can choke on your own vomit or die from where your breathing becomes so shallow it eventually stops. I should know, way back I was using valium and other benzos daily and one day I drank a lot of whisky with a lot of benzos and I don't remember 2 whole days after that incident. My GF came back from work to find me in a room full of vomit and with blue lips, but I was not dead luckily. She helped me back to recovery and everything from that point for a good week is hazy. I honestly think these girls maybe were very intoxicated and ended up dying because of it, alcohol plus benzos is really quite a dangerous mix. I could be wrong because they have both died, we shall have to wait and see.

Sorry, I do not believe that Xanax can be bought anywhere in Thailand in a pharmacy.

[Jayman]

"There were neither signs of fighting, nor robbery, but we found many kinds of over-the-counter-drugs, including ibuprofen, which can cause serious effects on the stomach."

Really, ibuprofen is the most dangerous drug they found in their room?

I've never been a basher but this one has finally got to me.

Good god, where is Columbo when we need him.

You can buy valium, clonazepam, xanax, tramadol, you name it, it can be bought without script in a lot of pharmacies here. If you mix benzos with alcohol and maybe a little opiates, you can get yourself into a very very intoxicated state where you pass out and can choke on your own vomit or die from where your breathing becomes so shallow it eventually stops. I should know, way back I was using valium and other benzos daily and one day I drank a lot of whisky with a lot of benzos and I don't remember 2 whole days after that incident. My GF came back from work to find me in a room full of vomit and with blue lips, but I was not dead luckily. She helped me back to recovery and everything from that point for a good week is hazy. I honestly think these girls maybe were very intoxicated and ended up dying because of it, alcohol plus benzos is really quite a dangerous mix. I could be wrong because they have both died, we shall have to wait and see.

Sorry, I do not believe that Xanax can be bought anywhere in Thailand in a pharmacy.

Have you tried? I have bought xanax from many pharmacies in Pattaya.

[maidu]

"There were neither signs of fighting, nor robbery, but we found many kinds of over-the-counter-drugs, including ibuprofen, which can cause serious effects on the stomach."

Really, ibuprofen is the most dangerous drug they found in their room?

I've never been a basher but this one has finally got to me.

Good god, where is Columbo when we need him.

You can buy valium, clonazepam, xanax, tramadol, you name it, it can be bought without script in a lot of pharmacies here. If you mix benzos with alcohol and maybe a little opiates, you can get yourself into a very very intoxicated state where you pass out and can choke on your own vomit or die from where your breathing becomes so shallow it eventually stops. I should know, way back I was using valium and other benzos daily and one day I drank a lot of whisky with a lot of benzos and I don't remember 2 whole days after that incident. My GF came back from work to find me in a room full of vomit and with blue lips, but I was not dead luckily. She helped me back to recovery and everything from that point for a good week is hazy. I honestly think these girls maybe were very intoxicated and ended up dying because of it, alcohol plus benzos is really quite a dangerous mix. I could be wrong because they have both died, we shall have to wait and see.

Sorry, I do not believe that Xanax can be bought anywhere in Thailand in a pharmacy.

Have you tried? I have bought xanax from many pharmacies in Pattaya.

hmmm, Pattaya, the hub of yet another interesting product.

[pauljones]

"There were neither signs of fighting, nor robbery, but we found many kinds of over-the-counter-drugs, including ibuprofen, which can cause serious effects on the stomach."

Really, ibuprofen is the most dangerous drug they found in their room?

I've never been a basher but this one has finally got to me.

Good god, where is Columbo when we need him.

You can buy valium, clonazepam, xanax, tramadol, you name it, it can be bought without script in a lot of pharmacies here. If you mix benzos with alcohol and maybe a little opiates, you can get yourself into a very very intoxicated state where you pass out and can choke on your own vomit or die from where your breathing becomes so shallow it eventually stops. I should know, way back I was using valium and other benzos daily and one day I drank a lot of whisky with a lot of benzos and I don't remember 2 whole days after that incident. My GF came back from work to find me in a room full of vomit and with blue lips, but I was not dead luckily. She helped me back to recovery and everything from that point for a good week is hazy. I honestly think these girls maybe were very intoxicated and ended up dying because of it, alcohol plus benzos is really quite a dangerous mix. I could be wrong because they have both died, we shall have to wait and see.

Sorry, I do not believe that Xanax can be bought anywhere in Thailand in a pharmacy.

Have you tried? I have bought xanax from many pharmacies in Pattaya.

It's available at some shops. Not on the shelf but it magically appears. Wa-lah!

My ladyfriend says they won't sell it to Thais, only the Farang.

Worried about undercover cops trying to scam them.

[Jayman]

You can buy valium, clonazepam, xanax, tramadol, you name it, it can be bought without script in a lot of pharmacies here. If you mix benzos with alcohol and maybe a little opiates, you can get yourself into a very very intoxicated state where you pass out and can choke on your own vomit or die from where your breathing becomes so shallow it eventually stops. I should know, way back I was using valium and other benzos daily and one day I drank a lot of whisky with a lot of benzos and I don't remember 2 whole days after that incident. My GF came back from work to find me in a room full of vomit and with blue lips, but I was not dead luckily. She helped me back to recovery and everything from that point for a good week is hazy. I honestly think these girls maybe were very intoxicated and ended up dying because of it, alcohol plus benzos is really quite a dangerous mix. I could be wrong because they have both died, we shall have to wait and see.

Sorry, I do not believe that Xanax can be bought anywhere in Thailand in a pharmacy.

Have you tried? I have bought xanax from many pharmacies in Pattaya.

It's available at some shops. Not on the shelf but it magically appears. Wa-lah!

My ladyfriend says they won't sell it to Thais, only the Farang.

Worried about undercover cops trying to scam them.

many drugs that the pharmacy stock are not on the shelves. For legal reasons they must keep them locked up.

[dingdang]

http://en.video.canoe.tv/archive/source/splash-news/quebec-sisters-autopsied/1705143630001

this video says

- autopsy started friday 22-06-2012

- autopsy finished, no results, toxicology reports yet

- funeral, saturday 30-06-2012