The one thing in common with mass killings most of the time is seriously mentally disturbed people however just like guns the number of wack jobs who commit these crimes is tiny tiny tiny compared to the number of mentally ill people so it's pretty hard to forsee which one might commit these crimes.

Oddly enough the population of Skitophrenics has a lower crime rate than "normal" people and are more likely to be the victum of crime than a perputrator.

My guess is the problem is far more complicated than we realise involving not just the dangerous over perscribed meds but also involving the majority of todays food supply and the additives and genetic modifications in them.

The rates of all kinds of mental imparements are skyrocketing not just from over diagnosis but more people really are more mentally ill than ever before , most seem to get through it but plenty don't , it really is a larger problem than it seems masked in the USA by disibility payments that sort of make the problem go away for the citizenry by sustaining the disabled person with a small income.

Their are no tests that can predict violent future behavior so what to do ? I haven't a clue seems like every time their is some indication that the person was ill but no one suspected they were THAT ill , did they really fall through the cracks or is it just about impossible to foresee these things ?

My guess is that tightening forced incarceration laws would have little effect , most of these people were not considered a danger to themselves or others to begin with , just odd or socially inept not plumb crazy and violent.

So for me tigtening up gun laws or mental illness standards are both inefective solutions.

The world we live in sells violent vid games , movies , tv shows ect. we have a culture of violence all around us should it suprise us that some of these fantasys are acted out in real life ? No Fact is it is going to continue because it's the world we created for ourselves and their is no going back now , you can grab all the guns and all the crazy people but more will be created the next day and the problem will continue because of the culture of violence.

It's not going anywhere anymore than annoying people with cell phones are going anywhere. It's just a by product of advanced technonoly and flaws in human nature , the real deal is it's going to get worse not better , the next wack job will need to kill younger children or maybe the elderly who knows but all attention seeking people need to outdo the last guy , look how far Rock stars have come from the beatles , Tim Mckvey was replaced by Osama bin laden ect.

Get used to it the world gets crazier and crazier as time goes by and the food , water , medicine is part of the problem not the solution , will we really be suprised when an entire citys water supply is poisoned and thousands of people die ? Or when some wack job with a sutcased sized nuke lights it off ....... You might be but I won't be. It's inevetable ............ welcome to Earth.

I don't see the suprise in it anyhow , a bunch of slightly evolved monkeys have no bisness with sharp objects, let alone armor percing bullets shooting out of guns or cemical wepons , Huge arrays shooting lazers into the sky just to see what happens .... LOL We do the craziest stuff with no real reguard for what happens next ..... collecting anti matter from cyclotrons and particle colliders that are thousands of times more destructive than an nuke and then we complain when some nut will light off the anti matter bomb someday or wonder why the climate might be changing as we intentionally heat up the atmosphere with our HAARP arrays.

Personally I find the inept way we run our world to be funny and amusing and like I said what would you expect from monkeys anyhow !

If you had just given up, MrRealDeal, as you seem to think the rest of us should do, what made you bother to write this post?

I haven't given up I just see the world for what it is ..... I wrote the post because I thought someone might have something sensible to say about the mental illness angle.

I think you should see the world for what it is yes it's not giving up it's recognising human flaws and limitations , the main problem humans have is that our ability to create dangerous things moves at a pace that is astronomicly faster than our ability to use them properly and that will increase over time , our evolution of responsibility is very slow compared to our ability to create dangerous drugs, wepons , ect, It's just reality not giving up.

If that's reality, I'm glad I live in CloudCuckooLand.

Family close enough to the possibly mentally ill who are in the best position to notice when something is going wrong ignore the signs out of love or wishful thinking.

I wrote before about my nephew, mid-20's, stays in his room playing video games (like millions of others). In the past year or so I've visited 4-5 times, including Thanksgiving (big-time family holiday for those who don't know). In all those times, he only came out of his room once, to say, "hello", shake my hand and return immediately to his room...over and done in 3 seconds. No sign of him at Thanksgiving, my sister didn't even try to coax him away from whatever it is he does in his room. I asked my sister last month (and again this morning, awaiting reply) if he was OK, and was she sure he wasn't going to go postal or anything. "Oh, no, no, no, he's a good kid, normal, works, comes ot when there are no visitors, blah, blah, blah". I don't really buy the normal part one bit but Mom doesn't see it. I realize he is living at home, helping to pay bills and all, but there is nothing wrong with telling the kid to stop playing and come visit with the uncle who has come from the other side of the planet. I sometimes wonder if they are afraid of him or something.

The last two mass shootings had more in common than just guns, they involved above average intelligence, young, single males, social outcasts with no friends and being treated for mental problems. Even if you take away the guns, these nuts will find another way to hurt people and we need to nip this in the bud. That means finding a way to identify them before they snap. I have no idea how to go about doing that short of rounding up nerds in trench coats.