Why Are Men So Dumb Regarding Women?

[MrRealDeal]

Try this for an excersise if you don't believe me ...... look at the last 500 threads and see if you can find even 1 where someone is complaining about getting ripped off by his wife .......... then count the number asking about why people do dumb things or get ripped off by their wife ........ What you will find is that it's not filled with stories from people getting ripped off , it's filled with stories from people claiming some other guy was ripped off , or stories about why do so many people get ripped off based on second hand accounts or pure fabrications.

What you really don't find very often at all is a first hand story talking about all these things , just people talking about these things as if their were all these stories ........ but if you look down you will find they are not there in the amount you think they are. ....... Odds are you will quit looking before you are able to find even 3

[TommoPhysicist]

I've always found most guys get taken once, only the very lucky few avoid all losses.

Many get taken repeatedly until all is gone and never learn from their mistakes.

But is this really about Thailand? I think it happens all over the world again and again.

@MtRealDeal

I was taken once

Transam admits to being taken once

Not long to reach three now ..........

[noob7]

God created man before creating woman, because you need a rough draft before creating a masterpiece.

Nope, only because he don't wanted any advice!

[loong]

I've always found most guys get taken once, only the very lucky few avoid all losses.

Many get taken repeatedly until all is gone and never learn from their mistakes.

But is this really about Thailand? I think it happens all over the world again and again.

@MtRealDeal

I was taken once

Transam admits to being taken once

Not long to reach three now ..........

I will admit that when I first came to Thailand, I was over generous, taken advantage of and in the end left thinking "what the hell happened?" I would never have happily handed that much money over to a GF in the UK.

When my 2nd relationship in Thailand ended and I thought about how much it had cost me, I couldn't believe how stupid I had been.

That was my education finished, financially, at least, I had learned from my mistakes.

When i see somebody start a topic along the lines of being taken to the cleaners by a Thai girl, I'm pretty sure that at least 50% of the time it is a troll thread.

When I see a thread such as the "Visit Thai jail" thread, I can see that the guy is being taken advantage of and will issue a warning, but he can't see it. Maybe he is a clever troll.

Most people, when they realise that they have been taken for a fool will not post their experiences until they have actually learned enough to admit their mistakes.

So, OP I ask you to post 2 or 3 links to the threads where people complain about the experiences that you refer to.

Can you do that?

[noob7]

Try this for an excersise if you don't believe me ...... look at the last 500 threads and see if you can find even 1 where someone is complaining about getting ripped off by his wife .......... then count the number asking about why people do dumb things or get ripped off by their wife ........ What you will find is that it's not filled with stories from people getting ripped off , it's filled with stories from people claiming some other guy was ripped off , or stories about why do so many people get ripped off based on second hand accounts or pure fabrications.

What you really don't find very often at all is a first hand story talking about all these things , just people talking about these things as if their were all these stories ........ but if you look down you will find they are not there in the amount you think they are. ....... Odds are you will quit looking before you are able to find even 3

Does a 'GIG' count, too?

or has it to be the wife?

With Tommo and Transam, it is minimum 3, now.

I guess, you haven't checked the last 500 topics, have you?

[rene123]

Is it really being "taken" when two people agree with a price for something? Some people say I took my ex-husband to the cleaners, but it was he that started the proceedings by messing around with a woman who I thought was my friend. How many men who complain about being taken by the "little women" were playing around with other women before the wife found out? It takes two to tango. And, with all the knowledge available today are men REALLY that stupid?

[TommoPhysicist]

Is it really being "taken" when two people agree with a price for something? Some people say I took my ex-husband to the cleaners, but it was he that started the proceedings by messing around with a woman who I thought was my friend. How many men who complain about being taken by the "little women" were playing around with other women before the wife found out? It takes two to tango. And, with all the knowledge available today are men REALLY that stupid?

We are talking about the important stuff ...... money.

Do you really consider your husband fooling around justification for taking his house and home away.

[chiang mai]

The law is not a total ass and does not take away somebody's house in a divorce, just because they were fooling around. But what does happen is that a financial split is made, not infrequently that is on a 50/50 basis where one person gets property and the other gets cash, regardless of the form it takes the split is still 50/50. Soooo, taken to the cleaners doesn't exactly mean 0/100, does it!

[Rancid]

To the OP, you are not divorced, are you just working here? Thing is people mess up relationships back home usually before they ever arrive here, is that because they are imbeciles, every guy divorced is an idiot? Even in the most challenging of circumstances some times things work and other times not. We hear endless tales about lies, deceit and theft, however statistically they are less than the scenarios that work out.

Roll the dice, the best odds sometimes fail and the worst survive, it is a strange old world. Had a mate in real estate who told me he expected to see countless divorces and ripoffs after reading Stickman but was surprised to see that most lasted. Perhaps it is the old adage that bad news travels fast and good goes unreported.

We all know the horror tales but I read that Asian bride divorce is about compatible to the West, which could lead one to conclude that the right mix lasts regardless of where.

[chiangmaikelly]

Is it really being "taken" when two people agree with a price for something? Some people say I took my ex-husband to the cleaners, but it was he that started the proceedings by messing around with a woman who I thought was my friend. How many men who complain about being taken by the "little women" were playing around with other women before the wife found out? It takes two to tango. And, with all the knowledge available today are men REALLY that stupid?

That strikes me as rather odd. I thought no fault divorce was the norm in North America.

[Thongkorn]

Maybe a lot of men move to Thailand having had failed relationships with the lady's in there own County, They think that the Thai locals are thick and stupid, ''Greatful of a fat balding old falang, when in reality a fool and his money are easily parted, Then when they realize they have been played, and used they come crying to this Site. Why accept and try to do things that you would not do in your own Country.

[chiangmaikelly]

Maybe a lot of men move to Thailand having had failed relationships with the lady's in there own County, They think that the Thai locals are thick and stupid, ''Greatful of a fat balding old falang, when in reality a fool and his money are easily parted, Then when they realize they have been played, and used they come crying to this Site. Why accept and try to do things that you would not do in your own Country.

99.9 percent of the stories I read on Thai Visa are from men who think they have a successful relationship. It's rare to get a good cracker about a fellow who XXXXXX up. Thai Visa is home to the hi so Western educated beauty queens.

[TommoPhysicist]

The law is not a total ass and does not take away somebody's house in a divorce, just because they were fooling around. But what does happen is that a financial split is made, not infrequently that is on a 50/50 basis where one person gets property and the other gets cash, regardless of the form it takes the split is still 50/50. Soooo, taken to the cleaners doesn't exactly mean 0/100, does it!

In the UK, if children around, woman gets the house free and clear, then everything else (pensions, savings, investments) split 50/50.

[weegee]

A real problem is that even the most honest, well intentioned lady can lose a man a lot of money. She is raised to take care of family first and will ask for things for the family. That might be a car or a house or both, but if she had the money she'd buy them for the family herself. It's her culture. She may think the farang is so rich that he can do it no problem and therefore should. The farang is well smitten by the lovely lass and does it for her. He also of course buys a house for himself and his new bride not knowing (or at the moment really considering) the consequences if things go wrong.

Now if the marriage goes bad in due course, the farang is toast even if neither party intended it to wind up that way. Surely in the West marriages end up in disaster where no bad intentions existed in the beginning. Surely a farang can lose his butt in the West when the woman didn't set out to ruin him.

I find this to be a frustrating and financially dangerous culture in LOS, and have determined never to "own" a house. Even on leased land the lease can go sour. There are so many complications and it seems that the native Thai usually wins. At least to me it does.

Even in my home country about 50% of marriages go bad, and that's where both share the same culture and language. Both parties get angry and the woman goes for the juggler for spousal and child support. She probably gets the house. I've seen fathers nearly in poverty in my home country from paying support.

There are scammers everywhere, but I don't think you need one to walk into quicksand in LOS.

$.02

Probably the most sensible Thread i have read for ages...with regard to this problem...THANKS, I hope people take notice of what you have said.

[noob7]

Maybe a lot of men move to Thailand having had failed relationships with the lady's in there own County, They think that the Thai locals are thick and stupid, ''Greatful of a fat balding old falang, when in reality a fool and his money are easily parted, Then when they realize they have been played, and used they come crying to this Site. Why accept and try to do things that you would not do in your own Country.

99.9 percent of the stories I read on Thai Visa are from men who think they have a successful relationship. It's rare to get a good cracker about a fellow who fecked up. Thai Visa is home to the hi so Western educated beauty queens.

That's the same with car buyers or packet holiday, too:

They fighting with the guarantee / refund, but still saying it was one of the best decisions, they ever made.

Cause they would look totally stupid, after all what got reported in the media, beforehand, about the dealers service / quality of the travel agent or hotels, if it would be otherwise!

Same old, same old.

[Beetlejuice]

A few facts that may save a guy a fortune and a lot of emotional trauma.

Cute girl sends out signals to a guy that she likes him.

After spending a passionate evening with her and a night of lovey-doveyness

with and perhaps the best sex the guy has had for years, he becomes smitten and can hardly believe his luck.

He holds her hand and listens intently to her pitiful hard luck stories and then wants to be her knight in shining armour, to the rescue, at any price, dreaming that at last he has discovered a true soul mate and love of his life, believing in a dream the guy decides to invest in her for a good future.

This is how it begins and of course in most cases the result will turn out completely different to the guy’s expectations.

Three major clues that will determine if the girl is not sincere and giving a guy a load of BS:

1. Most of her problems can only be solved with money.

2. The girl is not willing to give up any of her usual social schedules to be with the guy.

3. Appears to have many relatives, friends, acquaintances or colleges that she prefers to keep to herself and separate from her so-called relationship with the guy.

It`s very simple. If a girl really likes or loves a guy, she will unconditionally follow him anywhere with no strings or provisos attached.

Her main ambition in life will become solely to be with her man without any financial stipulations and social limitations. She should in fact be proud and keen to show off her new boyfriend and let everyone know that he and she is now an item.

If this is not the case, then dream on baby, because it`s going to cost you dear and you are wasting your time.

Now, would I lie to you?

[weegee]

A few facts that may save a guy a fortune and a lot of emotional trauma.

Cute girl sends out signals to a guy that she likes him.

After spending a passionate evening with her and a night of lovey-doveyness

with and perhaps the best sex the guy has had for years, he becomes smitten and can hardly believe his luck.

He holds her hand and listens intently to her pitiful hard luck stories and then wants to be her knight in shining armour, to the rescue, at any price, dreaming that at last he has discovered a true soul mate and love of his life, believing in a dream the guy decides to invest in her for a good future.

This is how it begins and of course in most cases the result will turn out completely different to the guy’s expectations.

Three major clues that will determine if the girl is not sincere and giving a guy a load of BS:

1. Most of her problems can only be solved with money.

2. The girl is not willing to give up any of her usual social schedules to be with the guy.

3. Appears to have many relatives, friends, acquaintances or colleges that she prefers to keep to herself and separate from her so-called relationship with the guy.

It`s very simple. If a girl really likes or loves a guy, she will unconditionally follow him anywhere with no strings or provisos attached.

Her main ambition in life will become solely to be with her man without any financial stipulations and social limitations. She should in fact be proud and keen to show off her new boyfriend and let everyone know that he and she is now an item.

If this is not the case, then dream on baby, because it`s going to cost you dear and you are wasting your time.

Now, would I lie to you?

Proud of you mate....you have called it exactly as it is.....

[JDGRUEN]

Success strategy: When dealing with women regardless of where you live (learned from the school of hard knocks)... Upon meeting that wonderful new woman - suppress the testosterone urges...or confidentially find other temporary outlets, downplay, disguise or if pressed hide your available monetary assets - don't play them up (that is if you have any monetary assets to risk), talk of many weeks and months to get to know her. Just do not do anything risky with money. My favorite motto to the ladies is "I'm not a rich man" - which happens to be true. But I want them to know it - alas, some gals don't want to believe.

Taken from another post on another thread: Practice due diligence: Don't fool yourself - Pay Attention: What level of education does she actually have?, Does she have a job for real and at what pay?, Does she owe money?, Is she really divorced? Does she have a lot of ill advised tattoos? (I am sure this will bring up some nasty retorts), Does she make 'expectant' statements early on? You know - the "I want - I need" - does she dwell on that?, Is she in too much of a hurry to cement the relationship?, After meeting her, does someone just happen to break into her apartment and take all her gold jewelry? (I really like this one - seems to happen a lot), Are those nieces and nephews living with her mother actually her children?, Does she actually own that part of the family homestead - she speaks of? Or is it some kind vague promise that the elder sister gave (the one who was the only real heir to the family land)...

Yes - it's a shame to have to go down a lengthy questionnaire with the new g/f - but unfortunately it's necessary.

I have been very fortunate to come know some very nice Thai women in the past two years... The ones I am still talking to passed the test listed above... Not because I asked all the questions directly - mostly I just listened and paid attention - took mental notes. Stretching out the 'budding' of the relationship makes all the difference. Hopefully my listening and paying attention got me all the right answers... I'll see in the coming years.

[473geo]

The majority of those I am aware of, who encountered a lightening of the wallet, have gotten over it, and simply moved on remembering with humour rather than self reproach.......the people who appear beached on the topic are those who appear confident they will never experience the experience....

[tingtongtourist]

The only thing i cannot believe is the women can keep a straight face when they go through the easy con.

I guess in all honesty you cannot really hold any grudge to them after all who would say NO i DONT want a free house after a few months relationship with some fool they hardly do even know from squat.

Would any Western girl say NO if you did offer this ?

Western woman probably dont play this same plan only because they think theres no possible way a man could be so stupid to fall for it.

Funny Thai girl do proove wrong ova and ova

[arch77778]

Beetlejuice you are spot on.My ex GF wanted money for land but my gut told me ,laugh it off.I knew her for 18 months and was very fond of her.I have since ascertained that at the moment she is on to 5 chaps and have 4 Skype accounts.What make us Farangs that stupid,i dont know.

[473geo]

The only thing i cannot believe is the women can keep a straight face when they go through the easy con.

I guess in all honesty you cannot really hold any grudge to them after all who would say NO i DONT want a free house after a few months relationship with some fool they hardly do even know from squat.

Would any Western girl say NO if you did offer this ?

Western woman probably dont play this same plan only because they think theres no possible way a man could be so stupid to fall for it.

Funny Thai girl do proove wrong ova and ova

You miss out one important factor, you can build a home with your back pocket money in Thailand, in 'the west' wouldn't even serve as a deposit on the land!!

[andrew]

Does she have a job for real and at what pay?, Does she owe money?, Is she really divorced? Does she have a lot of ill advised tattoos? (I am sure this will bring up some nasty retorts), Does she make 'expectant' statements early on? You know - the "I want - I need" - does she dwell on that?, Is she in too much of a hurry to cement the relationship?, After meeting her, does someone just happen to break into her apartment and take all her gold jewelry? (I really like this one - seems to happen a lot), Are those nieces and nephews living with her mother actually her children?, Does she actually own that part of the family homestead - she speaks of? Or is it some kind vague promise that the elder sister gave (the one who was the only real heir to the family land)...

Stretching out the 'budding' of the relationship makes all the difference. Hopefully my listening and paying attention got me all the right answers... I'll see in the coming years.

Does she have a lot of ill advised tattoos?

Any tattoos and she's out. The relationship is finished.

After meeting her, does someone just happen to break into her apartment and take all her gold jewelry?

Or, did she lose her purse? Or, is her "friend" short of money?

If you ever send or give these girls money, the relationship is over. You have become a White Knight. You have become a sucker.

Even worse are the fools who try to help these girls by employing them or creating businesses on their behalf.

Stretching out the 'budding' of the relationship makes all the difference

No, it doesn't. There is no substitute for meeting the girl asap and seeing her for what she really is.

[tingtongtourist]

The only thing i cannot believe is the women can keep a straight face when they go through the easy con.

I guess in all honesty you cannot really hold any grudge to them after all who would say NO i DONT want a free house after a few months relationship with some fool they hardly do even know from squat.

Would any Western girl say NO if you did offer this ?

Western woman probably dont play this same plan only because they think theres no possible way a man could be so stupid to fall for it.

Funny Thai girl do proove wrong ova and ova

You miss out one important factor, you can build a home with your back pocket money in Thailand, in 'the west' wouldn't even serve as a deposit on the land!!

In my thinking that is false economy. Yes,house may be cheap, even if you get a great house for US$60k...still you throw away 60k in the west?

[473geo]

The only thing i cannot believe is the women can keep a straight face when they go through the easy con.

I guess in all honesty you cannot really hold any grudge to them after all who would say NO i DONT want a free house after a few months relationship with some fool they hardly do even know from squat.

Would any Western girl say NO if you did offer this ?

Western woman probably dont play this same plan only because they think theres no possible way a man could be so stupid to fall for it.

Funny Thai girl do proove wrong ova and ova

You miss out one important factor, you can build a home with your back pocket money in Thailand, in 'the west' wouldn't even serve as a deposit on the land!!

In my thinking that is false economy. Yes,house may be cheap, even if you get a great house for US$60k...still you throw away 60k in the west?

Don't be silly, you are looking for reasons why they do it.....in my book......because they can........I'm beginning to think the scared,ultra cautious, tick list people who raise these type of threads and suggest due diligence, ain't the most generous people in the world........and why are they still running their due diligence and checks.....well all the tidy women have been snapped up by those a little more adventurous......course it may not work out.....but the adventurous guys are on their second lap before the 'due diligence' guys have started their engines.....course their fuel and thirst for enjoying life may have cost a baht or two

[andrew]

The only thing i cannot believe is the women can keep a straight face when they go through the easy con.

I guess in all honesty you cannot really hold any grudge to them after all who would say NO i DONT want a free house after a few months relationship with some fool they hardly do even know from squat.

Would any Western girl say NO if you did offer this ?

Western woman probably dont play this same plan only because they think theres no possible way a man could be so stupid to fall for it.

Funny Thai girl do proove wrong ova and ova

You miss out one important factor, you can build a home with your back pocket money in Thailand, in 'the west' wouldn't even serve as a deposit on the land!!

In my thinking that is false economy. Yes,house may be cheap, even if you get a great house for US$60k...still you throw away 60k in the west?

.I'm beginning to think the scared,ultra cautious, tick list people who raise these type of threads and suggest due diligence, ain't the most generous people in the world........and why are they still running their due diligence and checks.....well all the tidy women have been snapped up by those a little more adventurous......course it may not work out.....but the adventurous guys are on their second lap before the 'due diligence' guys have started their engines.....course their fuel and thirst for enjoying life may have cost a baht or two

Great stuff. And very true.

the scared,ultra cautious, tick list people who raise these type of threads

These people never win.

and why are they still running their due diligence and checks

Because they are the men who got left behind.

[MrRealDeal]

Maybe some of those people who thinnk they got taken advantage of should look in a full length mirrior naked and reconsider who took advantage of whowm ! LOL

[Tchooptip]

Maybe a lot of men move to Thailand having had failed relationships with the lady's in there own County, They think that the Thai locals are thick and stupid, ''Greatful of a fat balding old falang, when in reality a fool and his money are easily parted, Then when they realize they have been played, and used they come crying to this Site. Why accept and try to do things that you would not do in your own Country.

Why accept and try to do things that you would not do in your own Country.

Because if one is a fat balding old farang man, unless millionaire, in his own country not the smalest chance to have sexual relationship with a young, good looking, sexy girlfriend

[rene123]

Is it really being "taken" when two people agree with a price for something? Some people say I took my ex-husband to the cleaners, but it was he that started the proceedings by messing around with a woman who I thought was my friend. How many men who complain about being taken by the "little women" were playing around with other women before the wife found out? It takes two to tango. And, with all the knowledge available today are men REALLY that stupid?

That strikes me as rather odd. I thought no fault divorce was the norm in North America.

Like chiang mai said, we split the home and assets 50-50, but he put more in financially in the beginning. As far as I was concerned we were married for life, but it didn't work out that way... just as a lot of Thai - farang marriages don't work... but many do. But, after getting my freedom back I'm beginning to like it more and more. I was getting locked into the little wifey syndrome and didn't realize it.

[MrRealDeal]

Maybe a lot of men move to Thailand having had failed relationships with the lady's in there own County, They think that the Thai locals are thick and stupid, ''Greatful of a fat balding old falang, when in reality a fool and his money are easily parted, Then when they realize they have been played, and used they come crying to this Site. Why accept and try to do things that you would not do in your own Country.

Why accept and try to do things that you would not do in your own Country.

Because if one is a fat balding old farang man, unless millionaire, in his own country not the smalest chance to have sexual relationship with a young, good looking, sexy girlfriend

I hate to break it to ya but the girlfriend part aint gona happen even in Thailand ...... it's called GF experience ...... just a fake prostitute expericnce