There's rice in the warehouses, fish in the aquarium at Siam Paragon, sick buffalo in the fields, who gives a toss about Engrish?

I think expats in Thailand relish this kind of survey result, but of course they aren't interested in looking into it further, much better to sit back and say "I told you so" as if they have some in depth knowledge of the cutlural ins-andouts of language leaning and a detailed knowledge of language teaching - suddenly everyone's an expert?

Singapore - ex- British colony

Malaysia - ex-British colony

Philippines - ex - US colony

Indonesia and Thailand not a lot of difference apart from the fat Idonesia had Dutch and English influences

The 'facts' are that Indonesia was a Dutch colony. Moreover English is mandatory in Holland.

The facts also are that Thailand was never 'colonised' (sic) a fact that their xenophobic masters place great emphasis on. BUT they were conquered by the Burmese AND the Japanese. (and were it not for the allies Japanese would be the official language)

And for the record English, is widely spoken in Burma, particularly by anyone who is semi educated.

And finally, Aung San Suu Kyi 'whilst not your 'normal Burmese' has a command of English that would put many Oxford grads to shame.

The problem in Thailand is that parents don't see the need for their children to learn/speak English consequently not many do/or are proficient in the language.

How did the Thais get 55%? As an ex-teacher, I was invited into a Thai school in Surin. The Headmaster had little English so we awaited the Head of English to get the conversation going.

Confidently he shook my hand and said, 'Hello, I number 1 Angrit teach in sacoon.'

Before we dump too hard on the Thai community there is one thing i have not seen mentioned. 3 of the 5 were colonies of an English speaking country

SINGAPORE - VERY BRITISH

MALAYSIA - ALSO VERY BRITISH

PHILIPPINES - VERY AMERICAN How many bases are there or were there.

That is why they are so high actually they should be higher considering.

Thailand will not and cannot become a bilingual country thru education. Sure the kids are learning but as has been stated there is not enough English speaking organizations to further there abilities.

a studetn to me

Teacher i like English but cannot learn it.

When you leave the class do you speak English with your classmates?

Not really we are Thai

When you go home do you speak English to your parents?

no they are Thai and do not speak English.

So what you are saying is the only time you speak English is in class with me or when you see me.

Yes teacher.

@ wilcopops: no cheap thai-banging here. it doesn't matter that some countries were colonized or not. it's all about motivation and interest. plenty of good things to be said about thai, however, when it comes to "studying" they are utterly lazy and spoiled. i helped out my neighbour's kid with english. it turned out useless because "english is no fun". indeed, memorising vocabulary is no fun. one needs dedication and concentration. brainless chatting on facebook is less "silliout" ...

@ wilcopops: no cheap thai-banging here. it doesn't matter that some countries were colonized or not. it's all about motivation and interest. plenty of good things to be said about thai, however, when it comes to "studying" they are utterly lazy and spoiled. i helped out my neighbour's kid with english. it turned out useless because "english is no fun". indeed, memorising vocabulary is no fun. one needs dedication and concentration. brainless chatting on facebook is less "silliout" ...

Couldn't agree more.

Gosh, if Thais start using English and go to the United States, they won't be able to read half of the road signs. I always end up in Mexico when I am trying to get to New York.

The Thai government has known this for years but ... !

Four years ago when working at a Technical School in North Isan the staff were shown a video made for the government by an independant company on how ready the country was for the coming Asian Economic Group and English language was one of the points covered. In short this video slated everything and stated Thailand was not ready to compete.

At the end of the video my boss, an American educated Thai. who had been translating the main points for me was shocked because he just could not believe the government had sent out such a damning video.

I asked what he thought would be done and his response was along the lines of " very little if anything ".

But what about YL's hub in the 2015 ASEAN thing????????????????

When the ASEAN thing happens in 2015 there are going to be an awful lot of thais who will wonder "What the **** happened ?". They have been sheltered too long with the artificial thought that Thailand is the centre of the universe.

Amusing to see all the good advice posted by people many of which will never ever speak more than bar girl slang after more than a decade of living here. And I won't exclude myself from that merry group.

Let me just say that an English language educated mass of voters is not in any present or future government's interest, unless they can fully control the Internet.

Furthermore, if all Thais could read the things that are written on this forum, if would be the end of living happily here.

460.000 millions speak english as nativ but 1.3 billion speak english as second or third language , so who cares !?

What exactly are you attempting to say?? Many (many) more than 1.3 billion fall into the category you describe. The Commonwealth of Nations alone has a population well in excess of your quoted figure.

Before we dump too hard on the Thai community there is one thing i have not seen mentioned. 3 of the 5 were colonies of an English speaking country

SINGAPORE - VERY BRITISH

MALAYSIA - ALSO VERY BRITISH

PHILIPPINES - VERY AMERICAN How many bases are there or were there.

That is why they are so high actually they should be higher considering.

Thailand will not and cannot become a bilingual country thru education. Sure the kids are learning but as has been stated there is not enough English speaking organizations to further there abilities.

a studetn to me

Teacher i like English but cannot learn it.

When you leave the class do you speak English with your classmates?

Not really we are Thai

When you go home do you speak English to your parents?

no they are Thai and do not speak English.

So what you are saying is the only time you speak English is in class with me or when you see me.

Yes teacher.

And?

This is the way, English is tought all over the world.

That's the way I learned it, being from Germany.

But at least in our English classes, we SPOKE English and did not exclusively learned grammar.

There are many ways to practice English!

Get DVD's in English and with Thai- subtitles, f.e.

Read English books, listen to English music.

But of course, you have to be interested!

If you just listen to Thai- music because it is so sanook or watch only Thai (dubed) movies, because "pasa angrid" makes you "bod hua"....

I took my dog down to the neighborhood shop recently, tying it to a post outside. A car stopped and a well-dressed Thai lady got out.

She approached my dog, petted it briefly, then asked while pointing at it: "Race?"

I replied: "Yes, and very fast, too."

I think expats in Thailand relish this kind of survey result, but of course they aren't interested in looking into it further, much better to sit back and say "I told you so" as if they have some in depth knowledge of the cutlural ins-andouts of language leaning and a detailed knowledge of language teaching - suddenly everyone's an expert?

Singapore - ex- British colony

Malaysia - ex-British colony

Philippines - ex - US colony

Indonesia and Thailand not a lot of difference apart from the fat Idonesia had Dutch and English influences

Interesting! So my English is so good because the Netherlands were a former British colony.....

The above mentioned South East Asian countries have been independent for over 50 years!

In the former French colonies only the really elderly speak French. It's all about the young generation and whether they are motivated to learn English. I do agree that it could be because one good thing about being a former colony is that the colonisers made an effort to put decent education in place. Malaysian and Singaporean independence was a gradual process - Lee Kwan Yoe had Dutch & English advisers. Denying the colonial past and just booting all foreigners out led to the "downfall" of the former Dutch & British crown colonies Indonesia and Burma.

I have two sons, Thai American. Their English is very good, but I only speak to them in English. They both go to Thai schools, not international schools. One son is in regular class and the other is in HM the Kings class at the same school. The quality of teaching is different. in the Kings class the English teacher is from the USA. In the regular class they are Philippine or Indian.

When I came here in 1966, I was in the US Army and worked with Thais. Some of them were very fluent in English, but they were trained by the Army.

The problem with the English language usage in Thailand is oral communication and comprehension. The majority listen to the English and than translate it to Thai in their head. Professor Brown at AUA taught the total immersion program, learn by listening.

I'm sorry, but have to disagree. I have yet to meet any students from AUA who have successfully acquired Thai language in total. Now there be exceptions, but one has to consider the hundreds who enroll and then drop out. Some say the only way to learn Thai is by learning to read and write too. Case in point, the Defense Language Institute in Monterey California. At DLI, unlike AUA, the teachers are bilingual. Most US Government and military personnel who go to DLI, become multilingual. Actually, language fluency is not easy - there is no shortcut.

I have two sons, Thai American. Their English is very good, but I only speak to them in English. They both go to Thai schools, not international schools. One son is in regular class and the other is in HM the Kings class at the same school. The quality of teaching is different. in the Kings class the English teacher is from the USA. In the regular class they are Philippine or Indian.

When I came here in 1966, I was in the US Army and worked with Thais. Some of them were very fluent in English, but they were trained by the Army.

The problem with the English language usage in Thailand is oral communication and comprehension. The majority listen to the English and than translate it to Thai in their head. Professor Brown at AUA taught the total immersion program, learn by listening.

Must be a good way; poor kids selling copied goods in Cambodia shocked me with clear, fluent American slang. 'Hey there man, you wanna buy some cigarettes?' After years in Thailand, that is a surprise and....supports what you said & shows the backwardness, pride, uncultured and unexposed tendencies here, with some exception in Bangkok.

Surely the aping of American slang in Cambodia does not indicate the quality of knowledge of the English language?

Nor the quality of schooling?

You must be joking.

Running around in Tesco one can hear the same aping of American twanging sounds on the tannoy.

Quite awful, and indeed, hardly understandable.

I am not a native speaker, but I wonder if American "English" is a measure to weigh someone's knowledge of the language.

Thai students of English have a tendency to "change" the sounds, and the American sounds even more.

Making it even more difficult to understand what is said.

What are you on about? You're blaming Americans for the poorly accented English spoken here?

Of course American English is used to measure someone's knowledge of the language: we have been around long enough to have influenced the world quite a bit, in case you haven't noticed.

American English isn't all twanging, by the way, just like every Brit doesn't sound like a Jordie. In a country of 300,000,000 and nearly the size of Europe, it shouldn't surprise you there are numerous American accents. Many consider the English spoken in the Midwest the clearest and thus easiest English to understand.

And given the difference in syntax, I suppose Shakespeare didn't speak English either....

Please step away from the keyboard.

The problem is nothing to do with white teachers. The majority of Thais are taught by Thai teachers who are afraid to speak english (even if they could), and use Thai 95% of the time. I'm still astounded that the average government school graduate can say barely more than hello, even after 12 years of learning english. There are plenty of excellent speakers of english here, educated in private / international schools / overseas, but they are in the vast minority of all citizens.

The vast majority of well educated Thais who speak English well do not want to work in schools for a pittance ... and who can blame them?

Offer a lot more money to those with better skills - including Thai-Americans - and there may be no future need for poor teachers with 'no' skills.

As long as the Thais prefer to save face ( for whatever reson they shouldloose ?) above income.. it will not improve.

Bye-the way: loosing from Singapore, Malaysia, Philippines all with historic ties to the English language..is understandable, but.. to loose from Indonesia..

its lose, losing. LOSING.

Anyways this poorly written gem awash in the sea of non-constructive negativity really pissed me off.

The problem is nothing to do with white teachers. The majority of Thais are taught by Thai teachers who are afraid to speak english (even if they could), and use Thai 95% of the time. I'm still astounded that the average government school graduate can say barely more than hello, even after 12 years of learning english. There are plenty of excellent speakers of english here, educated in private / international schools / overseas, but they are in the vast minority of all citizens.

This gets to the heart of the problem with Thai teachers passing on the bad English they themselves were taught. I taught for quite a few years including university level and soon stopped being surprised at the stories the students told me of how they had learned, or not learned , in High School.

Most had never really put a sentence or two of spoken English together in class as the teacher couldn't handle it and the students knew it.

I know quite a few people who have a BA in English but from their spoken English you would never believe it.

THE #1 most common one is calling milk "mel" - Thais are perfeclty capable of pronuncgin milk reaosnably well but some text book from 10,000 years ago transliterated it as "mel" and its been copied infinitum.

I have two sons, Thai American. Their English is very good, but I only speak to them in English. They both go to Thai schools, not international schools. One son is in regular class and the other is in HM the Kings class at the same school. The quality of teaching is different. in the Kings class the English teacher is from the USA. In the regular class they are Philippine or Indian.

When I came here in 1966, I was in the US Army and worked with Thais. Some of them were very fluent in English, but they were trained by the Army.

The problem with the English language usage in Thailand is oral communication and comprehension. The majority listen to the English and than translate it to Thai in their head. Professor Brown at AUA taught the total immersion program, learn by listening.

I'm sorry, but have to disagree. I have yet to meet any students from AUA who have successfully acquired Thai language in total. Now there be exceptions, but one has to consider the hundreds who enroll and then drop out. Some say the only way to learn Thai is by learning to read and write too. Case in point, the Defense Language Institute in Monterey California. At DLI, unlike AUA, the teachers are bilingual. Most US Government and military personnel who go to DLI, become multilingual. Actually, language fluency is not easy - there is no shortcut.

There is a difference between practical bilingualism and fluency. Creating bilingualism has been proven to be far simpler if a child has some ability in two languages before 7.

Becoming fluent in a language beyond the age of 12 is proven to be extremely difficult. Start them young. However, it is also statistically proven that of you have a dual language capability before the age of 7, learning subsequent languages is far easier.

No one is talking about turning out 18 year old Thais capable of writing war and peace, but if they could put together a correct email and a PowerPoint, that would be progress.

I offer to teach for free. I'm over 60 and now I'd like to give back to society. But Thai society just doesn't get it.

First, I've offered to teach any government organization a 30 hour basic English class for free. My only requirement -- that the organization fills out the necessary paperwork for me to obtain a valid work permit. I get smiles, and promises, and "feigned" interest, but little more,

Second, I've offered to teach any school within the Ampher I live in a 30 hour basic English class for free, but only for teachers...why not students -- give a man a fish and he eats for a day; teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime. My only requirement -- that the organization fills out the necessary paperwork for me to obtain a valid work permit. I get smiles, and promises, and "feigned" interest, but little more,

If the Alien Work Act wasn't such a xenophobic piece of legislation (which by the way, there is no mention of volunteering, but anger the wrong Puu Yai and see if you don't end up in jail), then perhaps pensioners like me (with educational qualifications, and I do have them) would be willing to help the rural poor where I live. You know what would make my day? One or two kids breaking free from the poverty and going on to university, and having a good life. And then sharing that good fortune with their village by coming back and assisting others to break free from the cycle of poverty. Don't tell me that the culture will not allow it: Young folk will define the future of this and other countries.

Yes, Thailand's xenophobic, nationalism will keep them in the back seat of the Emerging Markets. And until the Amart and middle classes pull there heads out of where the "sun don't shine", they will remain in the back seat. But as long as the Amart make the big bucks -- who cares, right! And the middle-class, like all middle-classes, are too glued to their 50 inch plasma screen TVs and their Hilux 4x4s to give much of a rip about anyone but themselves.

Excellent post!

There are hundreds, if not thousands,of retired native English speaking expats living here in Thailand who would probably be willing to spend a few hours a week with a small group of Thais, be they kids, teens or business people.

The biggest problem is that Thais are terrified of using English as they are afraid of making a mistake and being laughed at.

We've all had experience with Thais when we've asked for something only to be met with a quizzical look and an "arrai na?"

I try to speak Thai as much as I can when out and am not afraid to make a mistake even if it's met with good natured laughter.

The problem with helping (volunteering) Thais to speak English (or any other language) is that it is technically illegal unless you have a work permit.

It only takes one disgruntled person to see you with a group and sometimes that can be a problem.

In some cases, Thais are their own worst enemy.

Thailand must have the worst English-language skills in ASEAN, with the possible exception of Laos. I know from personal experience how much better the English is in Vietnam and Burma.

The reason is simple: the people in those countries want to learn English so as to get ahead.

For example, there was an embarrassing segment on Thai TV this morning, featuring Thailand's best-known news reporter, the main sports reporter, an interpreter, and a young footballer from Manchester Utd, here on a promotional trip.

Neither of the journalists tried anything in English, while the chosen interpreter spoke baby-talk English for the most part, and was getting no more than 60% of what the footballer was saying (and he was trying to speak slowly).

But as long as they don't care about the outside world, and its opportunities and pitfalls, Thailand is going to discover that the outside world doesn't care about it, either.

Bang!.....that's the sound of the nail being hit firmly on the head.

Many students in other Asian countries want to learn English to get ahead and be better. Too many Thais believe they are already the best.

 

 

I think expats in Thailand relish this kind of survey result, but of course they aren't interested in looking into it further, much better to sit back and say "I told you so" as if they have some in depth knowledge of the cutlural ins-andouts of language leaning and a detailed knowledge of language teaching - suddenly everyone's an expert?

 

Singapore - ex- British colony

Malaysia - ex-British colony

Philippines - ex - US colony

Indonesia and Thailand not a lot of difference apart from the fat Idonesia had Dutch and English influences

 

The 'facts' are that Indonesia was a Dutch colony. Moreover English is mandatory in Holland.

The facts also are that Thailand was never 'colonised' (sic) a fact that their xenophobic masters place great emphasis on. BUT they were conquered by the Burmese AND the Japanese. (and were it not for the allies Japanese would be the official language)

And for the record English, is widely spoken in Burma, particularly by anyone who is semi educated.

And finally, Aung San Suu Kyi  'whilst not your 'normal Burmese' has a command of English that would put many Oxford grads to shame.

The problem in Thailand is that parents don't see the need for their children to learn/speak English consequently not many do/or are proficient in the language.

Erm.. she is an Oxford graduate?

No surprise..and with ASEAN around the corner...the Thais will lose out on job opportunities in their own country

Although this 'Assessment' was recent, the fact that Thai's are the worse in the region at spoken English is not new. Only a month or two ago we had the Thai average TOEIC results to scrutinise.

Back then and now, it's still the same problem. The whole educational system, from top to bottom, needs to be updated, planned and organised by Thai's that have knowledge of foreign teaching methods, Thai educational graduates from overseas, Europe, North America and Australasia.

Until this shake-up happens, be prepared for more blatant ignorance, continued under performing and obvious embarrassment from the 'experts' that sit in office.

When I had a job interview with a Thai guy from a university I said to him "Good morning, how are you?"

His responce "Slowly, slowly please....."

No doubt the head of the English department

my ex-neighbour, 10 year older than me, referred to me as "teacher" because i was actually willing to speak english with him AND correct him. he told me people often laughed with him because he liked studying english, didn't drink boose and liked an occasional sunbath. in other words: an atypical thai = laughing stock (pra-lààt or worse baba). this stupid group's mentality is one of the downsides here. people don't dare to be different.

The problem is nothing to do with white teachers. The majority of Thais are taught by Thai teachers who are afraid to speak english (even if they could), and use Thai 95% of the time. I'm still astounded that the average government school graduate can say barely more than hello, even after 12 years of learning english. There are plenty of excellent speakers of english here, educated in private / international schools / overseas, but they are in the vast minority of all citizens.

This gets to the heart of the problem with Thai teachers passing on the bad English they themselves were taught. I taught for quite a few years including university level and soon stopped being surprised at the stories the students told me of how they had learned, or not learned , in High School.

Most had never really put a sentence or two of spoken English together in class as the teacher couldn't handle it and the students knew it.

I know quite a few people who have a BA in English but from their spoken English you would never believe it.

I was recently approached by a group of Thai students (college level - 18-19 years old) with a 'survey' project where they had to find a farang and giggle a lot. And ask questions.

I scanned the teacher's question sheet. Then spent 3 or 4 minutes correcting all the teacher's mistakes. There were maybe 20 errors in 10 simple questions. Then told the puzzled front man that he should give this back to the teacher with all the mistakes corrected, so he/she (teacher) could get it right next time.

I wonder whatever became of my corrected sheet. Sure as sh*t it never got to the teacher (face face face) and it it ever did nothing was changed (face face face)!

R

I have been to several " language " schools as a potential teacher of English and I have returned their test sheet with correct answers and corrected questions. Needless to say I didn't get offered any work

What % of thais will ever visit a native or bi-lingual english speaking country? Or would ever be given any real opportunities through speaking english?

Me not know. 3% ?

My guess is.. most of them just don't give a fuxk.

Until Thai schools engage native English teachers to teach English, the standard will always be the poorest in Asia.

Not a hope in hell my friend. This was highlighted at my school today, when a Thai English Teacher complained about a NES teacher teaching students grammar and not conversation English.

It does not take a Rhodes scholar to work out that Singapore was an English colony so English is a second language, also Malaysia. And that The Philippines was an American protectorate so their second language American English. However as we ALL know Thailand was never conquered so knowing everything, they do not have or need English as a second language !