NamKangMan Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 I am saying I have not made any corrupt payments in many years here. That includes traffic, business, etc. I am saying legal businesses and people have no need to make corrupt payments. The exception is bars and night-clubs. Also traffic police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 I am saying I have not made any corrupt payments in many years here. That includes traffic, business, etc. I am saying legal businesses and people have no need to make corrupt payments. The exception is bars and night-clubs. Also traffic police. Nope. I, like many others have stated already on the forum, have never had to pay a bribe to the traffic police. Every time I have had to pay a fine, it was because I was guilty, paid the fine at the police station and had to show the receipt of the fine to get my vehicle keys back. There is absolutely no need for the police to take illegal payments from motorists. Set up a road-block and there are so many road-users without helmets, or, licences, it's like shooting fish in a barrel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N47HAN Posted July 9, 2013 Author Share Posted July 9, 2013 Just to lighten up the thread , Ive got some cds going cheap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamKangMan Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 (edited) I am saying I have not made any corrupt payments in many years here. That includes traffic, business, etc. I am saying legal businesses and people have no need to make corrupt payments. The exception is bars and night-clubs. Also traffic police. Nope. I, like many others have stated already on the forum, have never had to pay a bribe to the traffic police. Every time I have had to pay a fine, it was because I was guilty, paid the fine at the police station and had to show the receipt of the fine to get my vehicle keys back. There is absolutely no need for the police to take illegal payments from motorists. Set up a road-block and there are so many road-users without helmets, or, licences, it's like shooting fish in a barrel. Are you also saying that because money has never been demanded from you, for one of your traffic infingements, that it has never happened to anybody, and therefore doesn't exist? I have never been asked for a bribe from a traffic officer either, but from speking to people, they have not had the same experience as me, or you. They have been asked for a bribe and paid the bribe. I have no reason to disbelieve them. Why would they BS about it? Is this a troll thread? Do you think the OP's version of events are factual, or BS. I believe the actual fine you pay at the police station, goes to the Police Department, maybe with some higher rank police taking some of it. The bribe money is split up between the Police Officers, directly. I would suggest, they need a combination of both, each month, but just because it's never happened to me, I don't think that it doesn't happen at all. I was in a taxi in Bangkok a couple of years ago and the driver go pulled over. They spoke in Thai, he handed him 200 baht, and drove we off. The officer didn't even care there was a witness to the bribe. So, I have seen it, with my own eyes, just not on Phuket, yet. Edited July 9, 2013 by NamKangMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Maybe these people you talk to, believe that a legitimate fine is a bribe. Did you ask if they got a receipt? Were they talking about Phuket, or, some other place in Thailand? I know traffic police in Bangkok and Pattaya ask for bribes. As I stated before. What is the need to take bribes when they can raise money legitimately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N47HAN Posted July 9, 2013 Author Share Posted July 9, 2013 Just a thought , could you two start to pm each other 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LivinginKata Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Just a thought , could you two start to pm each other +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamKangMan Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Maybe these people you talk to, believe that a legitimate fine is a bribe. Did you ask if they got a receipt? Were they talking about Phuket, or, some other place in Thailand? I know traffic police in Bangkok and Pattaya ask for bribes. As I stated before. What is the need to take bribes when they can raise money legitimately? "What is the need to take bribes when they can raise money legitimately?" - Are you saying the officer that gives you a legitimate fine keeps the money from the fine? :) A bribe either goes straight into his pocket, or is put in a pool and split up at the end of the shift/month. It's supplement to his small salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosse137 Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Some of you think it is a good idea to lecture BiB about Thai law..? And that you can win against an evilminded one..? Did you forget where you are..? Well,good luck with that!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Some of you think it is a good idea to lecture BiB about Thai law..? And that you can win against an evilminded one..? Did you forget where you are..? Well,good luck with that!! In Bangkok I had a police officer trying to fine me for a non existing event. I asked for a ticket, he told Maybe these people you talk to, believe that a legitimate fine is a bribe. Did you ask if they got a receipt? Were they talking about Phuket, or, some other place in Thailand? I know traffic police in Bangkok and Pattaya ask for bribes. As I stated before. What is the need to take bribes when they can raise money legitimately? "What is the need to take bribes when they can raise money legitimately?" - Are you saying the officer that gives you a legitimate fine keeps the money from the fine? A bribe either goes straight into his pocket, or is put in a pool and split up at the end of the shift/month. It's supplement to his small salary. You do know that also part of the normal fines goes into the policeman's pocket? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Some of you think it is a good idea to lecture BiB about Thai law..? And that you can win against an evilminded one..? Did you forget where you are..? Well,good luck with that!!In Bangkok I had a police officer trying to fine me for a non existing event. I asked for a ticket, he told Maybe these people you talk to, believe that a legitimate fine is a bribe. Did you ask if they got a receipt? Were they talking about Phuket, or, some other place in Thailand? I know traffic police in Bangkok and Pattaya ask for bribes. As I stated before. What is the need to take bribes when they can raise money legitimately? "What is the need to take bribes when they can raise money legitimately?" - Are you saying the officer that gives you a legitimate fine keeps the money from the fine? A bribe either goes straight into his pocket, or is put in a pool and split up at the end of the shift/month. It's supplement to his small salary. You do know that also part of the normal fines goes into the policeman's pocket? Yep. I believe it's 60% of the ticket value. Sent from my i-mobile i-STYLE Q6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tchooptip Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Oh and the law states you must carry your passport with you at all times. It isnt just about id , its there for providing your visa details too . No, not correct. You must show it in a reasonable amount of time, so producing copy and showing real passport later is accepted. A mod could confirmed that? Excuse me Stevenl not I doubt your saying, I certainly do not want to carry my passport everywhere all the time so I have a photo on my iPhone, but not sure its OK ? On the other end I never been asked for my passport, I was fined once for no helmet, with maybe 50 people Thai and Farangs alike, but was not asked neither for license nor for passport?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tchooptip Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Oh and the law states you must carry your passport with you at all times. It isnt just about id , its there for providing your visa details too . No it doesn't, valid ID is required, passport may be requested and you have reasonable time to produce (at station). As for VISA details, available from a police computer over the radio on giving your passport number, written on Thai driving license. Thanks for this answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 (edited) Oh and the law states you must carry your passport with you at all times. It isnt just about id , its there for providing your visa details too .No it doesn't, valid ID is required, passport may be requested and you have reasonable time to produce (at station).As for VISA details, available from a police computer over the radio on giving your passport number, written on Thai driving license. Thanks for this answer To see some sort of link to a site officially quoting this law would be useful and interesting....Just the other night I argued with a good friend of mine: an Immigration Inspector in Bangkok. My argument: that as long as I carry photo ID (I.e. a Thai driving licence) and could offer my passport within a reasonable time frame (I.e. 1 hour), then I'm within the Law. His argument: Foreigners must carry their passport at all times. Now, I'm not sure who is right or wrong, and it doesn't really matter if he or an officer with a similar understanding of the law asks for your passport, you'll need your passport. But: it would be good to know unequivocally and see it written on some legal document before I go quoting the law to a police officer who stops me and requests my passport. Edited July 10, 2013 by richard_smith237 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I am yet again delighted that I don't live in Phuket and a very long time ago made the decision never to go there again. Cheers for making my day, thanks. [from sunny Chonburi] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patongphil Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I am yet again delighted that I don't live in Phuket and a very long time ago made the decision never to go there again. Cheers for making my day, thanks. [from sunny Chonburi] Maybe Phuket is happy about that situation too!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I am yet again delighted that I don't live in Phuket and a very long time ago made the decision never to go there again. Cheers for making my day, thanks. [from sunny Chonburi] But, but.....Chonburi is a crap-hole...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paangjang Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I just live stream my favourite radio station from back home. My car player bluetooths music and calls from my mobile phone. Jeez, catch up with today's tech guys. Mine too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paangjang Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I am yet again delighted that I don't live in Phuket and a very long time ago made the decision never to go there again. Cheers for making my day, thanks. [from sunny Chonburi] Also feel life is better since i left Puke-it (From cool Chiang Mai) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I just live stream my favourite radio station from back home.My car player bluetooths music and calls from my mobile phone.Jeez, catch up with today's tech guys. Mine too Mine does too. But I still play the same CD in the car... the same CD for near on 5 years now...Jack Johnson.. it's kinda relaxing in amongst the moron arrogant drivers here:lol: Sent from my i-mobile i-STYLE Q6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merijn Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I have a few friends who are police officers and immigration officers. As soon i'm back home i will have a talk with them and ask about what the official ruling about this is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I am yet again delighted that I don't live in Phuket and a very long time ago made the decision never to go there again. Cheers for making my day, thanks. [from sunny Chonburi] Also feel life is better since i left Puke-it (From cool Chiang Mai) But you're missing it so much you still feel the need to post on here and slander it here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patongphil Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I am yet again delighted that I don't live in Phuket and a very long time ago made the decision never to go there again. Cheers for making my day, thanks. [from sunny Chonburi] Also feel life is better since i left Puke-it (From cool Chiang Mai) But you're missing it so much you still feel the need to post on here and slander it here. Hey Steven I couldn't agree more. Heaps of people claim to have left Phuket for sunnier climes yet still find they have to return to the Phuket forum and slag it and us that still live here off. Screw 'em I reckon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogpoo Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I wonder why some people have problems with the police whereas others do not? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LivinginKata Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I wonder why some people have problems with the police whereas others do not? Just the luck of the draw. Couple of years ago I was stopped (in car) at check points about once a month. But since then I cannot remember being stopped for quite some time. No doubt karma will give me a stop tomorrow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogpoo Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I wonder why some people have problems with the police whereas others do not? Just the luck of the draw. Couple of years ago I was stopped (in car) at check points about once a month. But since then I cannot remember being stopped for quite some time. No doubt karma will give me a stop tomorrow I meant why do people seem to get fined if they say they have done nothing wrong!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iSabai Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Oh and the law states you must carry your passport with you at all times. It isnt just about id , its there for providing your visa details too .No it doesn't, valid ID is required, passport may be requested and you have reasonable time to produce (at station).As for VISA details, available from a police computer over the radio on giving your passport number, written on Thai driving license. Thanks for this answer To see some sort of link to a site officially quoting this law would be useful and interesting....Just the other night I argued with a good friend of mine: an Immigration Inspector in Bangkok. My argument: that as long as I carry photo ID (I.e. a Thai driving licence) and could offer my passport within a reasonable time frame (I.e. 1 hour), then I'm within the Law. His argument: Foreigners must carry their passport at all times. Now, I'm not sure who is right or wrong, and it doesn't really matter if he or an officer with a similar understanding of the law asks for your passport, you'll need your passport. But: it would be good to know unequivocally and see it written on some legal document before I go quoting the law to a police officer who stops me and requests my passport. The only thing that's unequivocal here is that nothing is unequivocal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I wonder why some people have problems with the police whereas others do not? Just the luck of the draw. Couple of years ago I was stopped (in car) at check points about once a month. But since then I cannot remember being stopped for quite some time. No doubt karma will give me a stop tomorrow But will you get fined for something you did not do? I get stopped quite often, it seems at the moment they are quite active, nearly exclusively on the bike. But I never get fined, simply show them my license and am wearing my helmet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LivinginKata Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 ^ Should have stated - never fined or paid any money at all. All documentation correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keestha Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Though I have done a lot of car mileage in Phuket, I was never stopped there. But lots of times on the highway going to Central Thailand and on to the Isaan. They will say that you were speeding though you were not, or they will say that you have to keep left, but you were overtaking. Guess I could try to play the smart guy and start arguing with them, but I just prefer to give them 100 Baht. Easy does it.To my experience, this is also what Thai people invariably do. At least this thread made me decide always to keep a copy of my passport and visa in the car. Oh well, I guess this thread is about to approach its natural end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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