Convert retirement visa to marriage visa?

[PooMik]

I have been using Krungthai and Bangkok bank all the years, will a statement from them be enough?? it shows monthly income 50 k+, from the last 8 years?? if it is marrige visa, i dont think i can get a letter from embassy, as my income is freelance work, from a lot off countryes, but can prove a average over 60 k+ the last 8 years??

If income is earned/paid outside the country you can use an income letter. The only other way is a work permit and proof of tax payments.

Your only option may be the 400k baht in bank for 60 days.

Thanks, as i see it - i will put the 400 k in the bank and go to the local immigrations, with all papers after 60 days. After that i can take the 400 k out and just show monthly income 40 k+, from overseas every 90 days, have i understand this correct??

Alternatively i apply for a workpermit and pay the taxes in future, same time as aplying for the marrige visa??

I allready have the SSO, but the last year i have been working for overseas company, and not paid taxes, only the SSO 336 Baht for month??

I know i am a little slow, but please advise ;-D

[jrtmedic]

You need to show the 400,000 in the bank for the required time at each renewal of the extension to stay.

No need to show money every 90 days !

[PooMik]

You need to show the 400,000 in the bank for the required time at each renewal of the extension to stay.

No need to show money every 90 days !

OK - 1 time more

It is not enough to show income 50 k+ from oversea the last 8 years in a thaibank, but i need to show 400 k. all the time??

Can i not just show the statement from bank, where they can see the steady income from overseas??

[jrtmedic]

Sorry I give up

Maybe someone else will explain

[ubonjoe]

If you can show that income is coming from outside the country and source you should be able to get a income letter from your embassy.

Immigration will not accept bank statements or books for proof of income.

Edited August 29, 2013 by ubonjoe

[lopburi3]

For income it will require an Embassy letter unless earned in Thailand with a work permit. So it will be up to Embassy what they require for paperwork but if you can show an average above the requirement it will likely be accepted and letter issued - you then use letter with immigration and have the supporting paperwork in reserve in case asked as proof.

[merijn]

You need to show the 400,000 in the bank for the required time at each renewal of the extension to stay.

No need to show money every 90 days !

OK - 1 time more

It is not enough to show income 50 k+ from oversea the last 8 years in a thaibank, but i need to show 400 k. all the time??

Can i not just show the statement from bank, where they can see the steady income from overseas??

Before you apply for the extension you need to have the following:

400.000 Baht in a Thai bank account in your name for at least 3 months. ( 2 months for first time extension )

OR you need an declaration of income ( from outside Thailand ) of at least 40.000 Baht a month from your embassy/consul.

OR proof of income from inside Thailand by means of tax declaration forms and/or work permit.

After the extension is granted in your passport you can remove the money from the bank account (if this option is used) until next extension.

[lopburi3]

400.000 Baht in a Thai bank account in your name for at least 3 months.

The requirement is two months in police order 777/2551.

[merijn]

400.000 Baht in a Thai bank account in your name for at least 3 months.

The requirement is two months in police order 777/2551.

Yes i Know !! But it depends where you go.

Phuket requires 2 months for first time extension and 3 months after that.

[ubonjoe]

 

400.000 Baht in a Thai bank account in your name for at least 3 months.

 

The requirement is two months in police order 777/2551.

 

Yes i Know !! But it depends where you go.

Phuket requires 2 months for first time extension and 3 months after that.

Maybe so but we try to do posts with info according to the rules. If posting info for a specific office you should state it in your post.

[OJAS]

Unless your ulterior motive is to obtain a work permit, I can see absolutely no point in switching from retirement to marriage as the basis for annual extensions if you can meet the retirement financial requirements. After all, an annual extension is still an annual extension at the end of the day, regardless of the basis on which it is granted.

Saving 400.000 Baht could be a good reason for some people.

But you don't have to spend the money, only have it in your bank account!

[ubonjoe]

 

 

Unless your ulterior motive is to obtain a work permit, I can see absolutely no point in switching from retirement to marriage as the basis for annual extensions if you can meet the retirement financial requirements. After all, an annual extension is still an annual extension at the end of the day, regardless of the basis on which it is granted.

 

Saving 400.000 Baht could be a good reason for some people.

 

But you don't have to spend the money, only have it in your bank account!

But you could put that 400k to work in someway that gives a higher return than a bank account.

[PooMik]

You need to show the 400,000 in the bank for the required time at each renewal of the extension to stay.

No need to show money every 90 days !

OK - 1 time more

It is not enough to show income 50 k+ from oversea the last 8 years in a thaibank, but i need to show 400 k. all the time??

Can i not just show the statement from bank, where they can see the steady income from overseas??

Before you apply for the extension you need to have the following:

400.000 Baht in a Thai bank account in your name for at least 3 months. ( 2 months for first time extension )

OR you need an declaration of income ( from outside Thailand ) of at least 40.000 Baht a month from your embassy/consul.

OR proof of income from inside Thailand by means of tax declaration forms and/or work permit.

After the extension is granted in your passport you can remove the money from the bank account (if this option is used) until next extension.

This is the info, i needed - thanks!

To be sure, i will deposit the 400 k. and have the bank statement of steady income from overseas 50 k+, and the paper work, then i should be able to change my visa in the local immigration office, and can save the trip to an embassy outside Thailand, i think that`s what we call, going with both a belt and supencers! but better safe then sorry :-)

[merijn]

You need to show the 400,000 in the bank for the required time at each renewal of the extension to stay.

No need to show money every 90 days !

OK - 1 time more

It is not enough to show income 50 k+ from oversea the last 8 years in a thaibank, but i need to show 400 k. all the time??

Can i not just show the statement from bank, where they can see the steady income from overseas??

Before you apply for the extension you need to have the following:

400.000 Baht in a Thai bank account in your name for at least 3 months. ( 2 months for first time extension )

OR you need an declaration of income ( from outside Thailand ) of at least 40.000 Baht a month from your embassy/consul.

OR proof of income from inside Thailand by means of tax declaration forms and/or work permit.

After the extension is granted in your passport you can remove the money from the bank account (if this option is used) until next extension.

This is the info, i needed - thanks!

To be sure, i will deposit the 400 k. and have the bank statement of steady income from overseas 50 k+, and the paper work, then i should be able to change my visa in the local immigration office, and can save the trip to an embassy outside Thailand, i think that`s what we call, going with both a belt and supencers! but better safe then sorry :-)

If using the 400 K money in bank account method no income or any other statement is required.

Updated bankbook with bank certificate is sufficient.

[DickFarang]

In case of divorce you would know it was coming and have plenty of time to prepare to get another type of extension and change to it without the need to leave the country.

Nobody notifies immigration when you get a divorse other than yourself.

That assumes, of course, that you would be eligible for another extension type. You might be up a gum tree if, for example, you were unable to meet the retirement financial requirements or hadn't fathered any children with your ex! What other grounds would be available to you in such circumstances?

And might not notifying Immigration of your divorce be illegal?

I guess an extension for Education purposes is another alternative, be it in general for three months a time only.

[DickFarang]

As I said there would be time to prepare.

Just recently a member made a trip to Savannakhet and got a multiple O visa based upon marriage just before his divorce because a visa would still be valid after divorce.

You could be liable for overstay from date of divorce but as long as you got to immigration within a few days they probably they would be understanding and not charge you for the fine.

It would not be exactly illegal to not notify immigration but the reason for the extension would be gone.

What is a multiple O visa based upon marriage ?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Poo, for a marriage extension of stay issued by Thai Immigration, you only need to satisfy ONE financial test, not TWO.

You have your choice to qualify EITHER via the deposit in a Thai bank method OR by the 40,000 baht per month income method.

As mentioned, if the income you're claiming is coming from outside Thailand, then you need to get a consulate income letter certifying whatever monthly amount you're claiming. Different countries consulates have different procedures about what they require to issue such a letter. Some are very easy. Some demand a lot of proof. It depends on your country of nationality.

If the income you're claiming is coming from inside Thailand, then it has to be documented via the work permit and Thai tax receipts method.

If you choose to satisfy Immigration's financial requirement by using the 400,000 baht deposit in a Thai bank method, then all of the stuff about monthly income requirements is irrelevant.

[ubonjoe]

As I said there would be time to prepare.

Just recently a member made a trip to Savannakhet and got a multiple O visa based upon marriage just before his divorce because a visa would still be valid after divorce.

You could be liable for overstay from date of divorce but as long as you got to immigration within a few days they probably they would be understanding and not charge you for the fine.

It would not be exactly illegal to not notify immigration but the reason for the extension would be gone.

What is a multiple O visa based upon marriage ?

It is a multiple entry non immigrant O visa you get at an embassy or consulate based upon marriage to a Thai. It is valid for one year and gives a 90 day stay for each entry. Meaning you must leave and re-enter the country every 90 days.

If you leave and re-enter the country just before visa expires you can get a total of almost 15 months of stay out of it.

Edited September 2, 2013 by ubonjoe

[DickFarang]

Easiest way - go find one of the many outfits that specialise in this - tell them what you want, pay the price and get a result- costs money but no stress......

Are you talking about illegal providers ?

[DickFarang]

As I said there would be time to prepare.

Just recently a member made a trip to Savannakhet and got a multiple O visa based upon marriage just before his divorce because a visa would still be valid after divorce.

You could be liable for overstay from date of divorce but as long as you got to immigration within a few days they probably they would be understanding and not charge you for the fine.

It would not be exactly illegal to not notify immigration but the reason for the extension would be gone.

What is a multiple O visa based upon marriage ?

It is a multiple entry non immigrant O visa you get at an embassy or consulate based upon marriage to a Thai. It is valid for one year and gives a 90 day stay for each entry. Meaning you must leave and re-enter the country every 90 days.

If you leave and re-enter the country just before visa expires you can get a total of almost 15 months of stay out of it.

I think that is not what this thread is about.

[DickFarang]

This is from the current Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) website Consular Services Q&A page:

Q: An NGO in Thailand has invited me to go there and work for them as a volunteer for 45 days during my school break. I will not earn any money in Thailand. I am a Belgian college student in Brussels. I understand that I do not need a visa, do I?

A: Although you will work as a volunteer, you do need a Non-Immigrant visa as well as the Work Permit. The NGO must be legally registered with the Thai authority and that you need a recommendation letter from the NGO for your visa application and the Work Permit.

I think you will find, however, that very few NGOs are willing to provide a work permit for other than long-term skilled personnel and not for the causal volunteer who 'wants to help out'.

I even doubt very strongly if the (foreign) tourist police volunteers in Pattaya have got work permits.

[DickFarang]

Retirement is financials of 800k in account 2 months first or 3 months later or 65k income/pension letter from your embassy or a combination to meet 800k baht per year. Other than having a non immigrant visa entry (which you can obtain from immigration with financial proof for 2,000 baht fee) you submit same TM.7 with 4x6cm photo and fee of 1,900 baht and should have some proof of residence if asked (as where you apply is determined by where you live). If using Embassy letter you should have some proof of stated income documents to present if asked but this is seldom required and just have in file if needed. Same copies of passport/visa/arrival stamp and card. Very easy process and one visit if you already have the non immigrant visa entry.

In Pattaya-Jomtien (officially Chonburi Immigration) you sometimes, but not always, have to pick up your passport with the retirement extension the following day.

[Jaggg88]

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Easiest way - go find one of the many outfits that specialise in this - tell them what you want, pay the price and get a result- costs money but no stress......

 

Are you talking about illegal providers ?

 

 

YES - my friend has just been quoted 40000 baht in Bangkok (just need an empty Thai bank account) whereas the current visa price is just 2400 baht so unless you're desperate don't bother