The link doesn't work for me.

I've double-checked it. It works fine for me.

Just when you thought the French had a handle on their Muslim problem. After sensibly banning the wearing of the full-face veil in public, they now take a step back.

http://news.yahoo.com/french-prison-ordered-halal-food-muslims-183938875.html

Can I ask if any of the 'anti-Muslims' (for want of a better phrase) have ever had much to do with Muslims? Worked with them? Worked for them? Gone down the pub with them? Genuine question.

Anyone?

I worked with a Pakistani-Muslim in the UK for a few years. Well, he called himself a 'Muslim' but drank, smoked dope and womanized along with the best of us. Very nice guy actually but about as 'Muslim' as I am.

I currently work with two Africans. One a Muslim and the other a supposed Christian. In reality the Muslim guy is a pious, honest, polite, trustworthy family man and the 'Christian' a back-stabbing, sychophantic, duplicious snake-in-the-grass.

But what's that got to do with my belief that Islam is incompatible with western culture?

BTW, to lighten the mood, here's joke.

What do the guys shout out at a Muslim strip club?

"Get your face out for the lads."

Hey 7x7 is back being fair minded as he's not calling us bigots today! I do not hate Muslims but I do hate the vileness in the koran and hadith, they don't speak out about that do they.

Muslim leaders and scholars do speak out against violence and hate. See the many earlier links.

Shame you can't be bothered to research the Bible; you'll find some very horrific stuff in there. In a different topic I posted a verse from Leviticus (Old Testament) and another from Romans (New Testament) about how true believers (i.e. Jews and Christians for Leviticus, Christians for Romans) should deal with the sin of homosexuality and those who practice it.

How many priests, rabbis, vicars, pastors, whatever have spoken out about those and the many similar verses.

As for people using the bible to justify their crimes;

How criminals use religion to justify their crimes

As the researchers put it, “…the hardcore offenders we interviewed are able to exploit the absolvitory tenets of religious doctrine, neutralizing their fear of death to not only allow but encourage offending.” That is, the criminals relied on the fact that their religion (overwhelmingly Christianity) uplifts forgiveness and absolution, and so the criminals reasoned they would be forgiven too.

Different report of the same research: How Criminals Use Religion to Justify Their Crimes

Cool, a 25-year-old male drug dealer says,

"The way it work is this. You go out and do some bad and then you ask for forgiveness and Jesus have to give it to you, and you know wipe the slate clean. So, I always do a quick little prayer right before and then I'm cool with Jesus. Also another thing is this; if you doing some wrong to another bad person, like if I go rob a dope dealer or a molester or something, then it don't count against me because it's like I'm giving punishment to them for Jesus. That's God's will. Oh you molested some kids? Well now I'm [God] sending Cool over your house to get your [expletive deleted]."

How about Anders Behring Breivik; remember him?

Now, I do not in anyway consider that these people are representative of Christians, Christian teachings or Christian leaders.

To do so would be stupid; like saying that the murders of Lee Rigby are representative of British Muslims.

You're making the mistake of assuming just because someone is opposed to Islam, they're automatically pro-Christian.

In my case, nothing could be further from the truth but the UK is (or was!) a Christian country and I believe that's the way it should stay but I wouldn't have a problem with it becoming a secular state.

I see the usual pony is once again being brought out. To paraphrase; "The Muslims who do speak out don't represent the majority, and are lying anyway!"

I've had enough of this hate filled cesspit.

As a last comment; people like Ibrar Ali are far more representative of British Muslims than the hate preachers and murderers. In fact I would say that he is far more representative of all British people than you three.

Never heard of him?

Google Captain Ibrar Ali, Military Cross.

Again it's NOT about hating muslims but about the truth of what the koran commands, the history of Islam and what the evil cult ends up making quite a large minority do. A few Muslims who pat kids on the head, win a medal or who fought for us in world wars does not alter that. Islam is of course one big lie, but those lies command killing, wife beating, hatred towards Jews, Christians and gays, child mutilation, child brides, woman regarded as second class, and that Muslims should not befriend the unbeliever. Line up as many 'nice' Muslims as you like 7x7, they cannot alter history or the koran. I admit I do hate the filthy koran though, the ravings of a madman, a murderer and a child abuser.

Can I ask if any of the 'anti-Muslims' (for want of a better phrase) have ever had much to do with Muslims? Worked with them? Worked for them? Gone down the pub with them? Genuine question.

Anyone?

The answer is yes, the question is totally immaterial to whether Islam contains within it a morally repugnant ideology. I hate Nazi ideology, knowing any Germans is immaterial to this fact. I have lived in Germany for a time to demonstrate that I don't believe in original sin and can understand the difference between a human being and an ideology.

looks like 7x7 has thrown the towel in, 'the hate filled cesspit' of course is not the posters on here exposing the evil of Islam, but the koran itself.

Not throwing in the towel; but as rationality and facts are of no interest to you, I am going to cease banging my head against the brick wall of your ignorant prejudice.

You and your fellows can enjoy yourselves by swapping your hate stories; I have a life and so am leaving you all to it.

Like most people who say you will not post again here you are again. As far as I can see you are the only person on this thread to have posted abuse to other people calling us bigots, hateful, prejudiced, cesspit and so on. This looks like frustration with the paucity of the material you have to argue with, so instead of making reasoned comments you hit out with personal abuse. Presumably you think this will impress or hurt people, but it just shows you up as a poster will no arguments.Goodbye, unless you want to come back yet again with more abuse, and totally unconvincing Islamic apologies of course!

Presumably, 300,000 individuals don't represent anything while a couple of people from a self appointed body do. I wouldn't want to try and back up that piece of illogic either.

Can I ask if any of the 'anti-Muslims' (for want of a better phrase) have ever had much to do with Muslims? Worked with them? Worked for them? Gone down the pub with them? Genuine question.

Anyone?

I worked with a Pakistani-Muslim in the UK for a few years. Well, he called himself a 'Muslim' but drank, smoked dope and womanized along with the best of us. Very nice guy actually but about as 'Muslim' as I am.

So now you're an expert on who's a Muslim and who isn't? You couldn't make this stuff up.

So now you're an expert on who's a Muslim and who isn't? You couldn't make this stuff up.

Logically inept statement. Would it make sense to call someone an expert on who has blue eyes? Hint: You have to say yes to this question.

So now you're an expert on who's a Muslim and who isn't? You couldn't make this stuff up.

Logically inept statement. Would it make sense to call someone an expert on who has blue eyes? Hint: You have to say yes to this question.

I was pointing out the fact that the poster considered that he was qualified to decide whether someone qualifies as a Muslim based on the poster's like or dislike of that person which is rather convenient if you're arguing from an anti-Islamic viewpoint. Good bloke - not a Muslim. Nasty bastard - must be a Muslim.

Hint: This isn't Logic 101 and I'm not a DPhil so I don't even have to answer the question no matter how many red words you throw my way.

So now you're an expert on who's a Muslim and who isn't? You couldn't make this stuff up.

Logically inept statement. Would it make sense to call someone an expert on who has blue eyes? Hint: You have to say yes to this question.

I was pointing out the fact that the poster considered that he was qualified to decide whether someone qualifies as a Muslim based on the poster's like or dislike of that person which is rather convenient if you're arguing from an anti-Islamic viewpoint. Good bloke - not a Muslim. Nasty bastard - must be a Muslim.

Hint: This isn't Logic 101 and I'm not a DPhil so I don't even have to answer the question no matter how many red words you throw my way.

And I was pointing out that sometimes no qualification is required. If you met someone who needed a qualified person to discern if another person had blue eyes, what would you think of that person? Another example on a slightly different line... Do I need a meteorologist to tell me if is raining outside? If I feel unwell, do I need a doctor to tell me that?

I've a little time on my hands while I have a light late night salad and a beer before bed so I'll add a few bits without any point in mind.

I'm as anti-religious as you will find but I am not anti-people. Someone I know is coming over for Songkran and is Muslim, as is her husband and 7 year old boy, Iranian, from Tehran. We are both massive foodies and talk for perhaps 10 hours a week... not all about food, sometimes religion, politics, life etc. but mostly food. Because of the sanction they cannot book anything like hotels (no visa - mastercard - paypal). Given it is Songkran I said I was willing to front the money but she wouldn't have any of it though I was the only one who could lose. I and others who have posted on this thread are not anti-Muslim but anti-Islam. If people are unable to understand the difference such as a member who I will not mention then they are not 'qualified' to even comment on the subject.

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I have never met the people from Iran in person.

I hope it can be said that I do go out of my way to explain my views and provide backup as to why they are at the very least logically viable. When in turn I question the logic of others it is just ignored. Put up or shut up I say.

And I was pointing out that sometimes no qualification is required. If you met someone who needed a qualified person to discern if another person had blue eyes, what would you think of that person? Another example on a slightly different line... Do I need a meteorologist to tell me if is raining outside? If I feel unwell, do I need a doctor to tell me that?

I've a little time on my hands while I have a light late night salad and a beer before bed so I'll add a few bits without any point in mind.

I'm as anti-religious as you will find but I am not anti-people. Someone I know is coming over for Songkran and is Muslim, as is her husband and 7 year old boy, Iranian, from Tehran. We are both massive foodies and talk for perhaps 10 hours a week... not all about food, sometimes religion, politics, life etc. but mostly food. Because of the sanction they cannot book anything like hotels (no visa - mastercard - paypal). Given it is Songkran I said I was willing to front the money but she wouldn't have any of it though I was the only one who could lose. I and others who have posted on this thread are not anti-Muslim but anti-Islam. If people are unable to understand the difference such as a member who I will not mention then they are not 'qualified' to even comment on the subject.

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I have never met the people from Iran in person.

I hope it can be said that I do go out of my way to explain my views and provide backup as to why they are at the very least logically viable. When in turn I question the logic of others it is just ignored. Put up or shut up I say.

I'm sorry but I simply don't understand what you're talking about. I'm talking about the opinion that the poster holds about a large number of people that he doesn't know based on what he thinks they believe. The poster is deciding on who is a Muslim solely on his interpretation of what a Muslim ought be and assuming that anyone who doesn't fit into his neat little definition is a problem Muslim.

BTW I have met many people from Iran. I spent 3 years hauling mutton up there. I found them much more hospital and friendly that many of my countryfolk.

BTW I have met many people from Iran. I spent 3 years hauling mutton up there. I found them much more hospital and friendly that many of my countryfolk.

Wow! You met some friendly Iranians? Woop-be-de-do! But <deleted> has that to do with anything?

The old 'I've got lots of black friends' argument, eh?

I noticed you conveniently ignored my previous posts on page 15 on the UK Muslim community turning a blind eye to the widespread problem of Pakistani Muslim men grooming underage white girls.

See posts 353 http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/670908-lee-rigbys-killers-plead-not-guilty/page-15#entry7601204

354 http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/670908-lee-rigbys-killers-plead-not-guilty/page-15#entry7601378

355 http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/670908-lee-rigbys-killers-plead-not-guilty/page-15#entry7601508

Try reading the links and educate yourself.

Ah, but it's all okay. He knows some friendly Iranians.

Can I ask if any of the 'anti-Muslims' (for want of a better phrase) have ever had much to do with Muslims? Worked with them? Worked for them? Gone down the pub with them? Genuine question.

Anyone?

I worked with a Pakistani-Muslim in the UK for a few years. Well, he called himself a 'Muslim' but drank, smoked dope and womanized along with the best of us. Very nice guy actually but about as 'Muslim' as I am.

So now you're an expert on who's a Muslim and who isn't? You couldn't make this stuff up.

So drinking alcohol, smoking dope and womanizing are signs of follower of Islam?

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Here is an article commenting on the folly of enshrining Sharia law into British law. It is true that a will can be drawn up within current UK law to satisfy Sharia regarding inheritance, which of course begs the question as to why any change was needed in the first place. On the other hand it sets a precedent that by a consistent drip of demands backed up with threats more Sharia norms will sneak through. I suspect an attempt to impose alien blasphemy laws will be the next thing to be shoved through this bridgehead.

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/03/27/allowing-sharia-law-sets-dangerous-precedent

P.S An interesting related issue is what happens if a Muslim dies intestate. Normally in such cases the estate goes to the next of kin in equal amounts, but in the case of Sharia would surviving male heirs argue they should receive double what surviving female ones do. Finally I expect the silence on this issue to be total from western feministas, who would rather prostitute their own principles rather than step on the sacred cow of multiculturalism.

More disgrace!

http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/news/hate_preacher_anjem_choudary_to_attend_brick_lane_anti_alcohol_march_1_3105244

Doesn't this picture just show the wonderful world of equality, multiculturalism and understanding we currently have in the UK?

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For some reason the Law Society has provided guidelines for a Will that adheres to Sharia civil law principles. However, an Islamic Will is not enshrined under UK law; an Act of Parliament or amendment to existing legislation has not been passed to approve Islamic Wills. There is not a plural legal system in the UK, an Islamic Will can be contested either under the terms of the Inheritance Act or the usual Court dispute process that would take precedence over Islamic Wills.

It appears that this thread is going off-topic and has passed its use-by-date.

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