What Is It With Hardley Riders?

[denkiblue555]

great handling.... did you really write that ? If Rossi drives one of these heavy busses he probably still be faster then most of us but if you put average Joe wannabe badboy on it this happens:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYxU_lYBHpY#t=0

Actually the Harley saved his butt. He got into the corner too fast, put the bike over too far and lifted the rear tire off the ground as he slid on the frame. See the sparks from the frame. But the weight and low center of gravity of the bike caused it to lay down to the low side, slide, and he got off and jumped away from it with only a scraped knee from getting too low. (A good reason to wear leathers, even if they are chaps.) Other than try to go too fast, he was a very good rider.

Here's what happens with a lighter bike with a higher center of gravity. It crosses up and throws the rider into the air and over the high side of the bike. The poor sucker just has to be all banged up, and lucky to walk. He may still have been badly hurt and just not known it yet.

Don't think the Harley saved these butts:

(And to be fair, it does look like an 'S' bend of sorts - they can be tricky...)

[pokerkid]

great handling.... did you really write that ? If Rossi drives one of these heavy busses he probably still be faster then most of us but if you put average Joe wannabe badboy on it this happens:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYxU_lYBHpY#t=0

Actually the Harley saved his butt. He got into the corner too fast, put the bike over too far and lifted the rear tire off the ground as he slid on the frame. See the sparks from the frame. But the weight and low center of gravity of the bike caused it to lay down to the low side, slide, and he got off and jumped away from it with only a scraped knee from getting too low. (A good reason to wear leathers, even if they are chaps.) Other than try to go too fast, he was a very good rider.

Here's what happens with a lighter bike with a higher center of gravity. It crosses up and throws the rider into the air and over the high side of the bike. The poor sucker just has to be all banged up, and lucky to walk. He may still have been badly hurt and just not known it yet.

Don't think the Harley saved these butts:

(And to be fair, it does look like an 'S' bend of sorts - they can be tricky...)

where is that irony smiley when you nee one...

[RubberSideDown]

That sportbike vid really drives home the point of wearing proper gear- I don't think he regrets having spent probably $2500 on high-end cowhide and a quality helmet.

[denkiblue555]

And just one more - highlighting the dangers of speed bumps:

http://youtu.be/_PAFtLtOX7k

[meechai]

Actually the Harley saved his butt.

No actually your comparing two completely different types of crash.

Hence the name low-side vs high-side.

The Harley can high-side as well as any bike given the proper

screw-up.

[stedyedy]

And notice how they crash when showing off or pushing it.

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[NeverSure]

great handling.... did you really write that ? If Rossi drives one of these heavy busses he probably still be faster then most of us but if you put average Joe wannabe badboy on it this happens:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYxU_lYBHpY#t=0

Actually the Harley saved his butt. He got into the corner too fast, put the bike over too far and lifted the rear tire off the ground as he slid on the frame. See the sparks from the frame. But the weight and low center of gravity of the bike caused it to lay down to the low side, slide, and he got off and jumped away from it with only a scraped knee from getting too low. (A good reason to wear leathers, even if they are chaps.) Other than try to go too fast, he was a very good rider.

Here's what happens with a lighter bike with a higher center of gravity. It crosses up and throws the rider into the air and over the high side of the bike. The poor sucker just has to be all banged up, and lucky to walk. He may still have been badly hurt and just not known it yet.

Don't think the Harley saved these butts:

(And to be fair, it does look like an 'S' bend of sorts - they can be tricky...)

Yes, the Harley saved their butts. Their lack of leathers would result in a lot of road rash, and trying to take the corner faster than any vehicle could do it put them into the situation.

The Harley went down on the low side sliding which is far preferable to flipping and throwing them into the air over the high side. If they had gone off over the high side, they would have been thrown into that gully to the left and probably killed.

That picture was taken in the US in a place called The Tail of The Dragon, aka Deal's Gap in Blount County, Tennessee and partly in North Carolina. It is considered one of the world's most challenging motorcycle runs, and it attracts idiots who try to run it for time.

He simply entered a nasty corner at a speed greater than virtually any vehicle could negotiate it. There is a reason why the guy who has Killboy.com sets up his camera and tripod on that particular corner.

Try it for yourself. I've run it many times.

Edited December 8, 2013 by NeverSure

[pokerkid]

"He simply entered a nasty corner at a speed greater than virtually any vehicle could negotiate it"

This made me laugh out loud. You're a funny guy. Any vehicle ? Almost any big bike made on earth could probably take that corner faster than that sofa on wheels.

[NeverSure]

And notice how they crash when showing off or pushing it.

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Exactly. It isn't an indictment of the bikes, but rather the riders.

Edited December 8, 2013 by NeverSure

[NeverSure]

"He simply entered a nasty corner at a speed greater than virtually any vehicle could negotiate it"

This made me laugh out loud. You're a funny guy. Any vehicle ? Almost any big bike made on earth could probably take that corner faster than that sofa on wheels.

If you haven't ridden The Tail of The Dragon, you should probably keep your comments to yourself.

Link for pictures

Edited December 8, 2013 by NeverSure

[pokerkid]

And notice how they crash when showing off or pushing it.

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Exactly. It isn't an indictment of the bikes, but rather the riders.

I guess you did not see the speed wobble video......

[denkiblue555]

I think that pic demonstrates quite a few points and we can all learn something.

The road looks pretty dam'n dangerous to be honest - ridden similar ones, but nothing quite as hairy really.

Edited December 8, 2013 by denkiblue555

[pokerkid]

"He simply entered a nasty corner at a speed greater than virtually any vehicle could negotiate it"

This made me laugh out loud. You're a funny guy. Any vehicle ? Almost any big bike made on earth could probably take that corner faster than that sofa on wheels.

If you haven't ridden The Tail of The Dragon, you should probably keep your comments to yourself.

Link for pictures

hahaha, keep em coming dude. your American i presume ? Are you really that ignorant to think that this is the non plus ultra of bike roads in the world ?

I like to drive in the Italian alps and the hardleys i have seen (and passed) were all going as fast as the average garden snail .

the tail of the dragon.... sounds to me like a cheap Chuck Norris movie.

Ever heard about the Stelvio pass ? http://www.oddee.com/item_96660.aspx

Edited December 8, 2013 by pokerkid

[NeverSure]

And notice how they crash when showing off or pushing it.

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Exactly. It isn't an indictment of the bikes, but rather the riders.

I guess you did not see the speed wobble video......

I've been around Harleys all of my life. I've seen that "wobble" once. We got the bike into a certified shop, and it had low shock pressure, low tire pressure, and one tire that was out of round from improper braking. It was soon sorted out.

I have several hundred thousand miles on Harleys and I've never experienced it.

I think you could make any bike wobble like that. Just give me a spoke wrench and about ten minutes.

If you have ever personally seen a Harley wobble like that, or had a friend complain that his did, speak up.

[pokerkid]

I think that pic demonstrates quite a few points and we can all learn something.

The road looks pretty dam'n dangerous to be honest - ridden similar ones, but nothing quite as hairy really.

very similar to what is happening here on the roads in thailand lol. Only difference is that Thai drivers can't drive as well as Americans so even more dangerous

[pokerkid]

And notice how they crash when showing off or pushing it.

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Exactly. It isn't an indictment of the bikes, but rather the riders.

I guess you did not see the speed wobble video......

I've been around Harleys all of my life. I've seen that "wobble" once. We got the bike into a certified shop, and it had low shock pressure, low tire pressure, and one tire that was out of round from improper braking. It was soon sorted out.

I have several hundred thousand miles on Harleys and I've never experienced it.

I think you could make any bike wobble like that. Just give me a spoke wrench and about ten minutes.

If you have ever personally seen a Harley wobble like that, or had a friend complain that his did, speak up.

so that video was fake ?

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[/media] Edited December 8, 2013 by pokerkid

[NeverSure]

Let's get back to the nuts and bolts. A Harley was never designed to race. It was designed to carry two people and luggage on the long highways and mountain grades of America. It was designed to have gobs of torque at low rpm's so that it would run easily all day long. It is a purpose-built motorcycle.

Those who want to race should buy something else and if they can afford it, it might be a Harley V-Rod. If they can't afford it, then it will probably be a cheap Jap bike.

And like a Mercedes, It didn't try to prove it was the fastest at anything. It is made for those who appreciate beautiful fit and finish and comfort.

Like a Mercedes, it's also out of reach of those who can't afford it. Those who can't afford it naturally have to knock it to save face.

It's the biggest case of penis envy I've ever seen.

I'm outta here. That's enough Harley bashing by those who can't afford one.

[NeverSure]

so that video was fake ?

No, it needs some kind of repair or adjustment which could happen to any bike. It has a tire that's out of round, wrong tire pressure, low or uneven shock pressure, it needs spoke adjustment, or some kind of repair. That behavior is not normal for Harleys, and whatever is wrong with it would affect any bike.

NOW I'm outta here, leaving the skint jealous types to themselves.

Edited December 8, 2013 by NeverSure

[dave_boo]

Let's get back to the nuts and bolts. A Harley was never designed to race. It was designed to carry two people and luggage on the long highways and mountain grades of America. It was designed to have gobs of torque at low rpm's so that it would run easily all day long. It is a purpose-built motorcycle.

Those who want to race should buy something else and if they can afford it, it might be a Harley V-Rod. If they can't afford it, then it will probably be a cheap Jap bike.

And like a Mercedes, It didn't try to prove it was the fastest at anything. It is made for those who appreciate beautiful fit and finish and comfort.

Like a Mercedes, it's also out of reach of those who can't afford it. Those who can't afford it naturally have to knock it to save face.

It's the biggest case of penis envy I've ever seen.

I'm outta here. That's enough Harley bashing by those who can't afford one.

Forget about the XR(TT) models over the years?

[pokerkid]

Let's get back to the nuts and bolts. A Harley was never designed to race. It was designed to carry two people and luggage on the long highways and mountain grades of America. It was designed to have gobs of torque at low rpm's so that it would run easily all day long. It is a purpose-built motorcycle.

Those who want to race should buy something else and if they can afford it, it might be a Harley V-Rod. If they can't afford it, then it will probably be a cheap Jap bike.

And like a Mercedes, It didn't try to prove it was the fastest at anything. It is made for those who appreciate beautiful fit and finish and comfort.

Like a Mercedes, it's also out of reach of those who can't afford it. Those who can't afford it naturally have to knock it to save face.

It's the biggest case of penis envy I've ever seen.

I'm outta here. That's enough Harley bashing by those who can't afford one.

Hahahahaha,..... You hardley riders always think we envy you guys. Maybe some do (who ride the jap cruisers) but most of us really don't.

I know its not easy for you to understand this but a hardley is not god's greatest gift to the motorcycling community.

There are so many more bikes that are more beautiful, ride better , are better engineered and are better value that frankly we are spoiled for choice.

Its precisely this type of arrogance that most people hate in hardley riders.

[Garry]

Let's get back to the nuts and bolts. A Harley was never designed to race. It was designed to carry two people and luggage on the long highways and mountain grades of America. It was designed to have gobs of torque at low rpm's so that it would run easily all day long. It is a purpose-built motorcycle.

 

Those who want to race should buy something else and if they can afford it, it might be a Harley V-Rod. If they can't afford it, then it will probably be a cheap Jap bike.

 

And like a Mercedes, It didn't try to prove it was the fastest at anything. It is made for those who appreciate beautiful fit and finish and comfort.

 

Like a Mercedes, it's also out of reach of those who can't afford it. Those who can't afford it naturally have to knock it to save face.

 

It's the biggest case of penis envy I've ever seen.    

 

I'm outta here. That's enough Harley bashing by those who can't afford one. 

Forget about the XR(TT) models over the years?

What, European bikes don't get a say?

[Issanman]

Interesting article on Wikipedia about the XR750. They say:

"Riders on XR-750s have won 29 of the 37 AMA Grand National Championships from 1972 to 2008 inclusive. Besides having more wins than any other bike in AMA racing, it has been called the "most successful race bike of all time."

Forget about the XR(TT) models over the years?

[ll2]

Let's get back to the nuts and bolts. A Harley was never designed to race. It was designed to carry two people and luggage on the long highways and mountain grades of America. It was designed to have gobs of torque at low rpm's so that it would run easily all day long. It is a purpose-built motorcycle.

Those who want to race should buy something else and if they can afford it, it might be a Harley V-Rod. If they can't afford it, then it will probably be a cheap Jap bike.

And like a Mercedes, It didn't try to prove it was the fastest at anything. It is made for those who appreciate beautiful fit and finish and comfort.

Like a Mercedes, it's also out of reach of those who can't afford it. Those who can't afford it naturally have to knock it to save face.

It's the biggest case of penis envy I've ever seen.

I'm outta here. That's enough Harley bashing by those who can't afford one.

Forget about the XR(TT) models over the years?

seen a harley xr1200 race prepped yesterday at the race session, the guy was doing fine actually with liter bikes.

[NeverSure]

seen a harley xr1200 race prepped yesterday at the race session, the guy was doing fine actually with liter bikes.

"seen a harley xr1200 race prepped yesterday at the race session, the guy was doing fine actually with liter bikes rice burners."

[ll2]

seen a harley xr1200 race prepped yesterday at the race session, the guy was doing fine actually with liter bikes.

"seen a harley xr1200 race prepped yesterday at the race session, the guy was doing fine actually with liter bikes rice burners."

i said he was doing fine but he was one of the last bikes passed the finish line after him there was a couple of 250 cc bike i remember close to him though!

still, it was a statement to come to a track day with a Harley and i respect that.

and those liter bikes or rice burners like you say can draw circles around all harleys! and even my cbr500r can do that and if i push maybe a cbr250r.

Edited December 9, 2013 by ll2

[dave_boo]

Forget about the XR(TT) models over the years?

What, European bikes don't get a say?

I'm sorry, I don't understand the question.

[denkiblue555]

This guy knows how to ride his harley...... Backflip FTW!!

[tomta20012]

i read this on another forum once

" I want to live my life according to moral behaviour not government laws, i kind of like the lawless attitude of bikies how ever they contradict their philosphy by stepping on other peoples toes, friend or foe

a fanged warning to bikies, govts, farang oozing their arrogance around thailand, the money printers

the red shirts are your creation

a mindless mob lashing out out the invisible hands <deleted> up the world with their immoral behaviour"

[UncleJ]

Some bikes are for squids and some are for real men.

[dave_boo]

Some bikes are for squids and some are for real men.