Yingluck presents 'road map' for national reform, rivals unconvinced

[Dasekel]

Thailand needs some reasonable, level headed people to be part of this reform process, Suthep and his bloodthirsty zombie sheep are the most unbalanced segment of Thai political society, they should be banned from any politcal contribution until they can calm down and behave like adults.

I have quite a few friends attending the current protests. They are not fans of Suthep, but want changes. And they are hardly bloodthirsty nor zombie sheep.

So why attend protests organized by an elitist fascist? Protesting for what change exactly?

Protesting against a democratically elected "dictatorship" that WASTES Thailand’s state coffers to make the majority poor believe they care for them, just in order to be then elected and able to do whatever they like for their own benefits. The fact that ST is a mad nut (you should justify your calling him an elite "fascist", or would you also call TS the Che Guevarra of Thailand?) does not mean there is no real and just reason to oppose the current government.

Having said that, unfortunately he democrats would not lead to real changes either, I fear. They had the chance last time and they did nothing.

[Dasekel]

Thailand needs some reasonable, level headed people to be part of this reform process, Suthep and his bloodthirsty zombie sheep are the most unbalanced segment of Thai political society, they should be banned from any politcal contribution until they can calm down and behave like adults.

I have quite a few friends attending the current protests. They are not fans of Suthep, but want changes. And they are hardly bloodthirsty nor zombie sheep.

So why attend protests organized by an elitist fascist? Protesting for what change exactly?

Protesting against a democratically elected "dictatorship" that WASTES Thailand’s state coffers to make the majority poor believe they care for them, just in order to be then elected and able to do whatever they like for their own benefits. The fact that ST is a mad nut (you should justify your calling him an elite "fascist", or would you also call TS the Che Guevarra of Thailand?) does not mean there is no real and just reason to oppose the current government.

Having said that, unfortunately he democrats would not lead to real changes either, I fear. They had the chance last time and they did nothing.

[Dasekel]

"This topic has never come up in anything ive heard.

The reds seem more annoyed that the 'establishment' is once again pushing their way back into power and trodding over their vote and respect."

And you say that the current government is indeed acting for the best of ALL Thais? Do you really thing PTP is really trying to help the rural and the poor, while openly ignoring everybody else? Yes, they got elected by the majority of voters and that is what democracy is about right? Wrong, the situation in Thailand shows that democracy does not function for the benefit of all people if certain criteria are not met. And that is for example that the electorate is well informed and does indeed understand whether policies are made in order to fundamentally effect change in order to improve the system for all, or whether it is just legal "vote buying" wasting the money of the state for unsustainable populist policies that will not change anything in the long-term, but ruin the country (the rice pledging scheme is doing this job just right, better than the 30 Baht health card or the U-Athorn housing scheme).

Any toughts on that?

[Dasekel]

I have quite a few friends attending the current protests. They are not fans of Suthep, but want changes. And they are hardly bloodthirsty nor zombie sheep.

I think you would get the same response if you asked a few red shirt supporters what they thought if Suthep took a bullet.

This topic has never come up in anything ive heard.

The reds seem more annoyed that the 'establishment' is once again pushing their way back into power and trodding over their vote and respect.

And you say that the current government is indeed acting for the best of ALL Thais? Do you really thing PTP is really trying to help the rural and the poor, while openly ignoring everybody else? Yes, they got elected by the majority of voters and that is what democracy is about right? Wrong, the situation in Thailand shows that democracy does not function for the benefit of all people if certain criteria are not met. And that is for example that the electorate is well informed and does indeed understand whether policies are made in order to fundamentally effect change in order to improve the system for all, or whether it is just legal "vote buying" wasting the money of the state for unsustainable populist policies that will not change anything in the long-term, but ruin the country (the rice pledging scheme is doing this job just right, better than the 30 Baht health card or the U-Athorn housing scheme).

Any toughts on that?

[Dasekel]

She's the PM (or is she?) but she had avoided parliamentary sitting many times, therefore no contribution to the debates etc. And even when she has attended she hasn't answered any tough questions, always deferred to her leeches.

She's gone abroad numerous times on missions like trade agreements with Montenegro. What a joke. She stands up in the back blocks of China and tell untruths and spin about how she is the champion of democracy in Thailand, not even realizing that the country where she's speaking from is pretty nasty and way off any intention, by it's leaders, to be anything close to a democracy. A sick joke.

And even worse is the disrespect this shows to the Thai people. She thinks they will swallow her lack of capability, lack of attendance, and lack of contribution, and lack of truth.

And now, massive demonstrations and she's campaigning in the NE. What a joke, what an insult to the Thai people.

No, she is not campaigning. She has many important missions everyday and a lot of important work to do. Dealing with the protests and the highly volatile situation comes next.

But really, what she is doing is getting some warm, huggy feeling from her son and the red shirts in Isaan. Poor YS, she suffered so much hard feelings and even hatred in BKK recently. The world is soooo unfair.

[Bpuumike]

She's the PM (or is she?) but she had avoided parliamentary sitting many times, therefore no contribution to the debates etc. And even when she has attended she hasn't answered any tough questions, always deferred to her leeches.

She's gone abroad numerous times on missions like trade agreements with Montenegro. What a joke. She stands up in the back blocks of China and tell untruths and spin about how she is the champion of democracy in Thailand, not even realizing that the country where she's speaking from is pretty nasty and way off any intention, by it's leaders, to be anything close to a democracy. A sick joke.

And even worse is the disrespect this shows to the Thai people. She thinks they will swallow her lack of capability, lack of attendance, and lack of contribution, and lack of truth.

And now, massive demonstrations and she's campaigning in the NE. What a joke, what an insult to the Thai people.

No, she is not campaigning. She has many important missions everyday and a lot of important work to do. Dealing with the protests and the highly volatile situation comes next.

But really, what she is doing is getting some warm, huggy feeling from her son and the red shirts in Isaan. Poor YS, she suffered so much hard feelings and even hatred in BKK recently. The world is soooo unfair.

Can't seem to be running the country tripping around up North at a critical time.

And the Southern border situation needs some attention.

Nah, not Isaan or Bangkok

[Dasekel]

Let's see what leaders come in from Nakhon Si Thammarat, Nong Khai, Nakhon Ratchisma, Udon Thani, Ubon Ratchatani, Chang Mai, Chaiyaphun, Sisaket, Songkhla and all the other populous provinces. Let's see all the people from "all walks of life" in those provinces as well as some Bangkok food sellers and taxi drivers.

Funny, but I thought that was what MPs were for, to represent the people that elected them?

I guess you mean something different, because this is exactly the problem (MPs ......... to represent the people that elected them). Elected politiciams are not asked to rerpresent those who voted for them. The are supposed to represent the country, incuding all those who did not vote for them!

[smedly]

She's the PM (or is she?) but she had avoided parliamentary sitting many times, therefore no contribution to the debates etc. And even when she has attended she hasn't answered any tough questions, always deferred to her leeches.

She's gone abroad numerous times on missions like trade agreements with Montenegro. What a joke. She stands up in the back blocks of China and tell untruths and spin about how she is the champion of democracy in Thailand, not even realizing that the country where she's speaking from is pretty nasty and way off any intention, by it's leaders, to be anything close to a democracy. A sick joke.

And even worse is the disrespect this shows to the Thai people. She thinks they will swallow her lack of capability, lack of attendance, and lack of contribution, and lack of truth.

And now, massive demonstrations and she's campaigning in the NE. What a joke, what an insult to the Thai people.

No, she is not campaigning. She has many important missions everyday and a lot of important work to do. Dealing with the protests and the highly volatile situation comes next.

But really, what she is doing is getting some warm, huggy feeling from her son and the red shirts in Isaan. Poor YS, she suffered so much hard feelings and even hatred in BKK recently. The world is soooo unfair.

Can't seem to be running the country tripping around up North at a critical time.

And the Southern border situation needs some attention.

Nah, not Isaan or Bangkok

the only way to describe what she is doing right now is ignoring her legal duties as Caretaker PM which only a few days ago stated she couldn't legally step down

My opinion of what she is doing in three words "ON The Run"

[tomacht8]

She not feel happy with this prime minister (caretaker) job.

Politics is not her world.

Every day, surrounded by old power hungry men, telling her day by day what to do.

The family clan has pressed her in that role.

Typical Thai, the own family always comes first.

She do this pm job, but with no heart.

She lives the dream of her brother, but not her own dream.

In her position she can not always run away.

She has taken on the responsibility, then she must stand by it

To drop tears doesn´t help.

For the business of politics it lacks everything.

When a Prime Minister is suspected to be received commands by a convict criminal,

is this very bad for the credibility to lead a reform process.

If someone held this high position, he also has the responsibility.

In her position, she is responsible for:

- White wash Amnesty bill, which triggered the protests

- The fact that she has given her fugitive brother a passport

- Unprecedented waste of state money (gambled with the future of the children)

- That a criminal, - convicted in two instances -, Party spokesman speaks on her behalf.

- Policy operates dividing the country

With this record, no Prime minister -in a democracy-, would be able to hold himself only one day more in office.

That we have now a Suthep shouting on the road, it is her, - the prime ministers - fault.

What would happen with/in Thailand if she resigns now?

Edited December 23, 2013 by tomacht8

[northernjohn]

"Suan Dusit poll, meanwhile, revealed 91.55 per cent of 1,240 Bangkokians surveyed, believe politicians are the cause of division in society today. Eighty per cent also said politicians lacked morals, ethics and were self-serving"

Finally a poll that makes sense.

I have to agree with Yingluck's plan. The big hang up is she would still be in power and able to ignore what they come up with. Not sure of the timing but would it be just 90 more days before she could start trying to white wash her brother?

Of course it would not be her doing it. She would not be able to attend the cabinet meeting because she is not feeling well or her helicopter dosen't have lights on it for flying at night. The cabinet would have to go ahead with a skype call from Thaksin for directions.

There are two things that bother me with the situation. The first being she is unwilling to do any thing until she is reelected and she will be. The second that she is remaining silent on Thaksin. I would greatly love to hear her say that as long as she is Prime Minister the only way he could come back is by serving his two year sentience and facing all the other charges against him

It would also help if she stopped with the Mickey Mouse charges against Abhist and Suthep. I imagine that would be asking to much.

They are simply childish. Then again she is the young one.