Anti-govt protesters rally across Thai capital

[Thailand]

Sorry to p**s on your chips but its nowhere near 15,000,000

Sorry backtonormal.

I had to add you to the ignore list.

I only add people who have such insane and illogical material in their posts that I just won't waste my time reading, I suggest you don't bother quoting my posts hoping for an answer, I won't see them.

Toodle pip, now go and enjoy your life in Thailand with your red tinted glasses.

I may remove you from the list on the day that the Dems win power and reform this country into a proper democracy, I would be interested to hear your whining.

I think it will be a very long time before he is removed from your ignore list, I guess he is devastated, the Dems actually have to contest elections to win them.

It may well be a long time. After reform, then first real elections, the Dems will run.

By which time I guess they will have changed their name to the UNdems?

[scorecard]

I may remove you from the list on the day that the Dems win power and reform this country into a proper democracy, I would be interested to hear your whining.

power in Thailand is won by winning elections, you know the one the "democrats" aren't fielding candidates in.

How many times does the Thai electorate need to go to the polls before one gets the notion that the democrats are not the party the thai electorate supports in sufficient numbers.

How much of democracy needs to be broken before they do get a chance to get to power ? Appoint half of the lower house ? Get rid of the one man one vote ?

What exactly is the relevance of the number of people participating in these protest ? Does that somehow invalidate election results ? Why do these protestors not run for elections, if they have the support they claim, they would win by a landslide.

And how come your post doesn't mention anything about the salient and critical points involved here?

[scorecard]

Doesn't Suthep think it odd that only Bangkok folks are protesting, and only a fraction of the numbers he reports? It's amazing how little support this guy has.

From my local Amphoe alone 5 buses went yesterday morning, and met up with around 15 more in Ranong. Left for the capital at around 9:00 am. My SIL and friends were among them.

Did she happen to mention the cost of the bus?

Now that was funny

Hey come on ego, surely you can come up with something better than that.

[Pikeybkk]

really, by focusing on just the area's with people in them and from different angles it is quite easy to create and illusion on TV, thought that was common knowledge these days and especially when the station you are talking about is the democrat friendly channel.......smoke is easily blown

All one has to do, is to go to blueskychannel.tv to see how many protesters are out there, today Five main stages and at least 10 smaller ones, in Bangkok. Lots of people, lots of fun and excitment. (and some very cute singer, a little while ago, who had everybody dancing.

Little Miss Noluck, seems to be on her way out.

[15Peter20]

Just to give you an idea of how dim witted YL is.

There are bombs going off in Songklha.

I bet she doesn't even acknowledge them, let alone stand up and make a statement about them.

This is how inept and disinterested she is regarding her country.

These protests are very valid, and I hope they remain strong as they have been shown to be since they started.

And if she did make a statement about Songkla, people like you would be saying she's ignoring the other problems. I hope you don't think you are presenting a reasoned argument against this government. Your degree of bias is derailing your efforts at persuasion on this board.

[leesgems]

Doesn't Suthep think it odd that only Bangkok folks are protesting, and only a fraction of the numbers he reports? It's amazing how little support this guy has.

I am pretty sure You were not at Rama II yesterday afternoon, even on a sunday, after a long weekend with peoples returning home from Hua Hin and Cha Am I have not seen a que this long... And yesterday was as, You may know - saturday - the day traffic is normally the other way, going out of Bangkok...

From the 25 km mark until I turned onto Kanchanapietsaek (11 km mark) took me 2 hours... Cars, pickup trucks, busses and minivans with thai flags - and peoples obviously going to join todays rallies - was seen, in thousands...

Suthep has support from a large number of the population, even from what is known as red shirt strongholds I know people going to Bangkok...

The amnesty law tripped the scale, as far as I can see...

If this Suthep has so much support why not run in the election and win some seats...then we can have reform the democratic way

perhaps because he cannot afford to buy enough votes like the others can, an election that is based on purchased votes is not the democratic way

[trucking]

People are fed up with the corruption,

But thats just it.....they are'nt. Countless ABAC polls confirm the fact, they just don't like Thaksin and co being the recipients. If corruption were really to be stopped in Thailand how many civil servants would lose their jobs...and thats before you start on the politicians. Politicians grab the limelight because they go for the big cash prizes but in terms of total amounts the civil servants cream off a lot more. Day in day out, year in year out, the length and breadth of the country in every Dtambon and Amper those corrupt civil servants in a position to give out favours are taking their little envelopes under the table and squirreling away huge amounts.

As for Suthep.....corrupt politicians should face the death penalty ! Well he said that a few days ago ....and yet still he lives on !

If he were as honourable as he is disingenuous he would have gone home that same evening and topped himself.

Until people respect the law and the law enforcers are respectable the end of corruption is a long way off.

No....what the city folk are sick of is Thaksin and his pandering to the rural masses.

[chainarong]

Knowing Thailand, it now treads a dangerous path, one that should or could have been avoided.

[sjaak327]

I may remove you from the list on the day that the Dems win power and reform this country into a proper democracy, I would be interested to hear your whining.

power in Thailand is won by winning elections, you know the one the "democrats" aren't fielding candidates in.

How many times does the Thai electorate need to go to the polls before one gets the notion that the democrats are not the party the thai electorate supports in sufficient numbers.

How much of democracy needs to be broken before they do get a chance to get to power ? Appoint half of the lower house ? Get rid of the one man one vote ?

What exactly is the relevance of the number of people participating in these protest ? Does that somehow invalidate election results ? Why do these protestors not run for elections, if they have the support they claim, they would win by a landslide.

And how come your post doesn't mention anything about the salient and critical points involved here?

Why would I ? Whatever the government did wrong, there are legal and democratic ways to resolve these, trying to go the undemocratic route is not needed and cannot be allowed.

Certainly not if the other side is just as crooked and corrupt. Surely you don't believe they are any better right, that would certainly be a case of ignoring facts and recent history.

Edited December 22, 2013 by sjaak327

[nputman]

excerpt "Meanwhile, a group of female and ladyboy protesters."

TiT Amazing Thailand.

[kimamey]

Doesn't Suthep think it odd that only Bangkok folks are protesting, and only a fraction of the numbers he reports? It's amazing how little support this guy has.

I doubt that's correct. My wife's friend is going today and she asked my wife to go as well but I'm not sure if she will. They are from Isaan but are in Bangkok anyway. I know of others that have gone from Isaan as well so I suspect there are others and I know there are a lot from the south as well. I don't know about now but I'm sure I heard there were protests elsewhere in places like Khon Kaen.

[473geo]

Doesn't Suthep think it odd that only Bangkok folks are protesting, and only a fraction of the numbers he reports? It's amazing how little support this guy has.

I am pretty sure You were not at Rama II yesterday afternoon, even on a sunday, after a long weekend with peoples returning home from Hua Hin and Cha Am I have not seen a que this long... And yesterday was as, You may know - saturday - the day traffic is normally the other way, going out of Bangkok...

From the 25 km mark until I turned onto Kanchanapietsaek (11 km mark) took me 2 hours... Cars, pickup trucks, busses and minivans with thai flags - and peoples obviously going to join todays rallies - was seen, in thousands...

Suthep has support from a large number of the population, even from what is known as red shirt strongholds I know people going to Bangkok...

The amnesty law tripped the scale, as far as I can see...

If this Suthep has so much support why not run in the election and win some seats...then we can have reform the democratic way

perhaps because he cannot afford to buy enough votes like the others can, an election that is based on purchased votes is not the democratic way

Perhaps he does not carry a 'distribution' network in the north?

[Prbkk]

This was a mega flop. Lumpini Park is deserted, no one left at Asoke, very thin and dispirited protest marching down Sukhivit...2 abreast. People have voted with their feet on Khun Suthep by staying away in droves

[MaiDong]

I may remove you from the list on the day that the Dems win power and reform this country into a proper democracy, I would be interested to hear your whining.

power in Thailand is won by winning elections...

Power in Thailand is won by buying elections, hadn't you heard? It's common knowledge amongst almost the entire Thai nation, speak to a few Thais and ask if it's true, they'll most likely smile, or laugh, and admit they were bought.

I can't believe this has to be pointed out to everybody on here who claims Thailand is a democracy and that democracy is at stake, it's <deleted>.

[Boxclever]

This was a mega flop. Lumpini Park is deserted, no one left at Asoke, very thin and dispirited protest marching down Sukhivit...2 abreast. People have voted with their feet on Khun Suthep by staying away in droves

Maybe Khun Suthep's running out of money to pay for the "suporters".

My wife says they are offering 500 baht/day in Kanchanaburi with very few takers

[Local Drunk]

Democracy in Thailand is little more than a gang rape of its own.

[kimamey]

Doesn't Suthep think it odd that only Bangkok folks are protesting, and only a fraction of the numbers he reports? It's amazing how little support this guy has.

I am pretty sure You were not at Rama II yesterday afternoon, even on a sunday, after a long weekend with peoples returning home from Hua Hin and Cha Am I have not seen a que this long... And yesterday was as, You may know - saturday - the day traffic is normally the other way, going out of Bangkok...

From the 25 km mark until I turned onto Kanchanapietsaek (11 km mark) took me 2 hours... Cars, pickup trucks, busses and minivans with thai flags - and peoples obviously going to join todays rallies - was seen, in thousands...

Suthep has support from a large number of the population, even from what is known as red shirt strongholds I know people going to Bangkok...

The amnesty law tripped the scale, as far as I can see...

If this Suthep has so much support why not run in the election and win some seats...then we can have reform the democratic way

I'm not sure that Suthep's proposal for an unelected people's forum or whatever he's calling it is the way forward especially if it's just controlled by him or his supporters. Something more balanced for a limited time would seem a good idea although I'm not sure if it could work in practice.

The problem here is there was a democratic election which won by the PTP which is as it should be but the control seems to be with someone who didn't take part. If Thaksin has so much support why doesn't he come back, serve his time and then stand for election? How far is he prepared to go for the benefit of Thailand and all those who voted for his party? Whilst he might have support that obviously didn't stretch to having an amnesty for Abhisit and Suthep as well. Of course the problem is that they probably don't need one as their cases aren't likely to go very far.

The government could have avoided all this trouble if they hadn't focused on Thaksin's amnesty as that is where it's all gone wrong so far.

One thing I don't understand is why the government is so keen on all senators being elected when the lower house has party list MPs which aren't. Maybe I've got all this wrong but it doesn't make sense to me.

[sjaak327]

I may remove you from the list on the day that the Dems win power and reform this country into a proper democracy, I would be interested to hear your whining.

power in Thailand is won by winning elections...

Power in Thailand is won by buying elections, hadn't you heard? It's common knowledge amongst almost the entire Thai nation, speak to a few Thais and ask if it's true, they'll most likely smile, or laugh, and admit they were bought.

I can't believe this has to be pointed out to everybody on here who claims Thailand is a democracy and that democracy is at stake, it's <deleted>.

Nope it isn't. Yes votes are being bought, either directly or through policies. But no, they do not determine the actual election results. I know quite a few thais and they simply vote for whoever they deem worthy of their vote. Of course the fairy tale that one side participates in vote buying, whilst the other side isn't, is highly amusing.

And yes democracy is very much at stake here, don't for a minute think it isn't.

[siampolee]

Prbkk post # 75

This was a mega flop. Lumpini Park is deserted, no one left at Asoke, very thin and dispirited protest marching down Sukhivit...2 abreast. People have voted with their feet on Khun Suthep by staying away in droves

Perhaps you have not actually seen the images that are posted here on the site on the update page.

Seems there are rather more people there in Bangkok who are demonstrating than you care to admit.

One can but only presume that those red tinted spectacles have a very limiting effect upon your and no doubt others too fields of vision when worn

[MaiDong]

I may remove you from the list on the day that the Dems win power and reform this country into a proper democracy, I would be interested to hear your whining.

power in Thailand is won by winning elections...

Power in Thailand is won by buying elections, hadn't you heard? It's common knowledge amongst almost the entire Thai nation, speak to a few Thais and ask if it's true, they'll most likely smile, or laugh, and admit they were bought.

I can't believe this has to be pointed out to everybody on here who claims Thailand is a democracy and that democracy is at stake, it's <deleted>.

Nope it isn't. Yes votes are being bought, either directly or through policies. But no, they do not determine the actual election results. I know quite a few thais and they simply vote for whoever they deem worthy of their vote. Of course the fairy tale that one side participates in vote buying, whilst the other side isn't, is highly amusing.

And yes democracy is very much at stake here, don't for a minute think it isn't.

I would think democracy was at stake if it was a real democracy, don't for a minute think it is.

[Nibbles48]

I may remove you from the list on the day that the Dems win power and reform this country into a proper democracy, I would be interested to hear your whining.

power in Thailand is won by winning elections...

Power in Thailand is won by buying elections, hadn't you heard? It's common knowledge amongst almost the entire Thai nation, speak to a few Thais and ask if it's true, they'll most likely smile, or laugh, and admit they were bought.

I can't believe this has to be pointed out to everybody on here who claims Thailand is a democracy and that democracy is at stake, it's <deleted>.

Nope it isn't. Yes votes are being bought, either directly or through policies. But no, they do not determine the actual election results. I know quite a few thais and they simply vote for whoever they deem worthy of their vote. Of course the fairy tale that one side participates in vote buying, whilst the other side isn't, is highly amusing.

And yes democracy is very much at stake here, don't for a minute think it isn't.

The only democracy that exists in Thailand at the moment is a highly and dangerously fractured and broken one that has seen the country divided in two.,

Don't think for a minute this sort of democracy should be protected for the good of Thailand.

Even YL and the PTP have been FORCED to agree that reform is now essential. This is the reform of the current democratic system.

[Mosha]

Doesn't Suthep think it odd that only Bangkok folks are protesting, and only a fraction of the numbers he reports? It's amazing how little support this guy has.

From my local Amphoe alone 5 buses went yesterday morning, and met up with around 15 more in Ranong. Left for the capital at around 9:00 am. My SIL and friends were among them.

Did she happen to mention the cost of the bus?

It's not her bus, so I don't know how much it cost.

[Nibbles48]

Prbkk post # 75

This was a mega flop. Lumpini Park is deserted, no one left at Asoke, very thin and dispirited protest marching down Sukhivit...2 abreast. People have voted with their feet on Khun Suthep by staying away in droves

Perhaps you have not actually seen the images that are posted here on the site on the update page.

Seems there are rather more people there in Bangkok who are demonstrating than you care to admit.

One can but only presume that those red tinted spectacles have a very limiting effect upon your and no doubt others too fields of vision when worn

Posted 53 minutes ago

RT@veen_NT: Suthep will be heading to BTS Asoke next after Saladarng. BTS Asoke is now packed.

Prbkk is so anti-protests it has completely eroded his ability to even convince himself let alone everyone here. I bet even his allies are embarrassed about his posts.

[MaiDong]

My wife is at the protest on Thanon Ratchadamnoen, she says it's packed, she was never offered money to attend, I'm not saying that others haven't been offered money, but many haven't.

[binjalin]

I may remove you from the list on the day that the Dems win power and reform this country into a proper democracy, I would be interested to hear your whining.

power in Thailand is won by winning elections...

Power in Thailand is won by buying elections, hadn't you heard? It's common knowledge amongst almost the entire Thai nation, speak to a few Thais and ask if it's true, they'll most likely smile, or laugh, and admit they were bought.

I can't believe this has to be pointed out to everybody on here who claims Thailand is a democracy and that democracy is at stake, it's <deleted>.

PTP and Dems do offer 'gifts' (which is wrong of course) but you do not know Thailand well if you think voters do not vote for who they like. NO ONE checks who they voted for and no one knows.

[ianf]

Doesn't Suthep think it odd that only Bangkok folks are protesting, and only a fraction of the numbers he reports? It's amazing how little support this guy has.

Isn't it strange that I know folk from Chiang Mai, Soi Dao and Chantaburi protesting?

[ianf]

Doesn't Suthep think it odd that only Bangkok folks are protesting, and only a fraction of the numbers he reports? It's amazing how little support this guy has.

Isn't it strange that I know folk from Chiang Mai, Soi Dao and Chantaburi protesting?

[haroldc]

This was a mega flop. Lumpini Park is deserted, no one left at Asoke, very thin and dispirited protest marching down Sukhivit...2 abreast. People have voted with their feet on Khun Suthep by staying away in droves

How did you mange to be in all 3 places at the same time? I've lived in working-class Thai neighborhoods for 25 years and am fluent in both spoken and written Thai. This morning, I saw a lot of people voting with their feet by walking out of the soi to the join the march down Sathorn... And nobody bought their "votes," either.

[MaiDong]

I may remove you from the list on the day that the Dems win power and reform this country into a proper democracy, I would be interested to hear your whining.

power in Thailand is won by winning elections...

Power in Thailand is won by buying elections, hadn't you heard? It's common knowledge amongst almost the entire Thai nation, speak to a few Thais and ask if it's true, they'll most likely smile, or laugh, and admit they were bought.

I can't believe this has to be pointed out to everybody on here who claims Thailand is a democracy and that democracy is at stake, it's <deleted>.

PTP and Dems do offer 'gifts' (which is wrong of course) but you do not know Thailand well if you think voters do not vote for who they like. NO ONE checks who they voted for and no one knows.

I am not assuming that every voter is paid for, I never said that.

I'm also not saying that the opposition has never paid for votes.

[Nibbles48]

Doesn't Suthep think it odd that only Bangkok folks are protesting, and only a fraction of the numbers he reports? It's amazing how little support this guy has.

Isn't it strange that I know folk from Chiang Mai, Soi Dao and Chantaburi protesting?

I know people from Korat who are there.