Nuttawut: Red shirts not to confront PDRC-led protesters

[Smokemachine]

"He said the rallies of the red shirts on January 13 would be held in many provinces, but not in Bangkok and its adjacent provinces."

I am curious and waiting to see their quantity is it the same as before. As i know some of the red shirts have back off from this party as they realise the core value of UDD is to worship TS as the state supreme leader and they can really get nasty if someone is jeopardizing their way.

"No one has ever dared to challenge the people's power as Mr Suthep does today," Mr Nattawut said, describing the PDRC head's action as a "move which is not different from a coup. No matter you are a Red Shirt or not, no matter which party you support, we urge all of you to join the anti-coup movement."

Yes, pls all come out and support so called "anti-coup movement" by UDD. They are now the most afraid of a coup no matter the army is coming out to dealing with either group. Once a coup is staged, the caretake govt is going to disperse. If the military doing the govt, i not sure will they discover many other scams, how many people are directly involved. But one thing for sure, the current govt members will lose their "bonuses" in flood scam scheme, rice scam scheme, infrastructure scam scheme and many other future scams schemes they can think of.

Edited January 3, 2014 by Smokemachine

[rreddin]

It is about to split the country into 2.

It is better to split it now, before the civil war.

Or have a 20 years civil war and loose 5 million people first than spit the country.

Wrong! Split at least 3 ways. Do not forget that on average every day 1 or 2 people are mudered in the South by separatists. Abhisit refused to call them terrorists! What is the death toll at now - 5,900?

[Old Man River]

^{Yeah that's right, ignore the reason for the anti-govt. protests and spin it all to look like a coup is imminent and the military will be a nasty dictator, and the reds are the white knights of anti-coup.}

^{Words / phrases like: false, spin, immoral, highly manipulative come to mind.}

Of the RS's, Nattawut is the one I fear the most as he is the smartest of the group. From the conversations I have had, he appears to be the most underestimated, which makes me even more uncomfortable.

[mumjokmok]

Bad news for Suthep if the reds actually do that and avoid confrontation he won't have the violence he needs.

Absurd assumption. He doesn't need or want violence and neither do the protesters.

Suthep will still have a hugely volatile situation in which two large political bases have urged their followers into the streets to protest. This is more than enough than anyone needs to try to achieve their desired ends.

Can't painfully and inexplicably drag out an announced street fight very easily now can you.....

[Scamper]

This statement is a relief, as the UDD's participation in Bangkok would have been incendiary ( perhaps literally ). Strongly hope that this advice is followed.

[mumjokmok]

It is about to split the country into 2.

It is better to split it now, before the civil war.

Or have a 20 years civil war and loose 5 million people first than spit the country.

Wrong! Split at least 3 ways. Do not forget that on average every day 1 or 2 people are mudered in the South by separatists. Abhisit refused to call them terrorists! What is the death toll at now - 5,900?

I think Abhisit might have been tryin' to garner 'em as constituents no? We tried that in Australia but it doesn't seem to win the favour of the people.

Ticks one box in the divisive strategy column for someone else.

Now in terms of championing a struggle for three true democracies, with a wild three way split, would anyone like to elaborate on where we think our international friends would be found. Who pays for guns? How quick do you wanna chop it, the 13th? That kinda stuff, in the real world, gets so ugly and nasty that everybody who wants that better have a little read of "Modern history in the Indian subcontinent and other South East Asian countries other than here"- chapter number 'bloodshed and horror'. Might change your mind.

[Centrum]

K. Jatuporn will be somewhat disappointed, he wanted to keep Bangkok open. BTW to drop those letters at Embassies ar least some people need to come to Bangkok I would imagine?

Yeah, what's going on there?

Jatuporn must have opened his mouth without direction from the man in Dubai.

Mr. T probably shit himself at the thought of violence and a fast track to the coup, and got on to Nuttawut to calm the situation.

I wonder how long the red bullyboys can be kept on a leash?

[LuckyLew]

IMO reds will not come into Bangkok because they will be outnumbered massively

They came to Rajamangala and had to retreat in less that 24 hours. If the reds roll into Bkk again they will get the same welcome .. none.... 10K 20K even 50K can come on down ... will still be outnumbered.

[spirit47]

Bad news for Suthep if the reds actually do that and avoid confrontation he won't have the violence he needs.

You've posted a lot of dumbass stuff but I think this counts as one of the dumbest. No one wants any violence and everyone on both sides of this conflict is breathing a sigh of relief that there probably won't be a confrontation.

You are seriously naive if you believe Suthep (and equally importantly his backers) would not like to see the government/security forces crack down violently, not least because it would allow the army/directed judges to step in and remove the Yingluck government.Unfortunately for them the government has been very patient and has won international approval for its approach.

Yes, they nominated for an Oscar...And what about the death Protestors and the Policeman...

International approval.... Big Brother deals with the devil as he see a favour

[MrSlatersParrot]

IMO reds will not come into Bangkok because they will be outnumbered massively

They came to Rajamangala and had to retreat in less that 24 hours. If the reds roll into Bkk again they will get the same welcome .. none.... 10K 20K even 50K can come on down ... will still be outnumbered.

If 75% of the Bangkok electorate do not have the vote in Bangkok just which side do you suppose they will support?

[dinom]

IMO reds will not come into Bangkok because they will be outnumbered massively

They came to Rajamangala and had to retreat in less that 24 hours. If the reds roll into Bkk again they will get the same welcome .. none.... 10K 20K even 50K can come on down ... will still be outnumbered.

If 75% of the Bangkok electorate do not have the vote in Bangkok just which side do you suppose they will support?

Are you saying that 75 % living in Bangkok are from the North and North East and all of them are Thaksin fans? You must be joking or dreaming....

[Smokemachine]

This time UDD will have difficulties of recruiting huge army as before because some of the people who work for them in the past is not paid as promised.

Share a youtube link here about a thai citizen who was a RED supporter (i do not know him). In the video he self declare he used to be a red protester/guard working for UDD and same as others they all are promised to receive a sum of money for taking part in the protest activities. He mentioned there are red shirt people getting hurt or killed. All of them has take part in the event but only some of the protesters have gotten the rewards as promised. He is one of them who is out of the police station receive nothing. He even reveal his mobile number. People can call him for more details about the red activities if interested.

If more public start to know about this, it will be more difficult to organise a huge red rally.

Nevertheless, Jatuporn has mentioned his PEOPLE POWER. We will look forward to it.

ps: This is just a sharing with other TV members. Not sure about the authenticity of this video incase other op start to bash me

this guy is a yellow faking as a red, any proof or evidence.

You may call him and even come out for meeting session. Pls update in TV if anyone has contacted him.

I am interested too. Thanks

Edited January 3, 2014 by Smokemachine

[Maha Sarakham Marty]

Problems with the travel expenses for red shirt supporters to keep Bangkok open by going there?

Perhaps Nuttiwhat doesn't want to add to his still pending rioting charges from 2007, 2009, and 2010.

[animatic]

Nation wide, except where they can't go.

Nuttawat can't say the reds will or should go after the rallies,

because he is IN the caretaker government under duress and would be seen as

the government strong arming the protestors with street violence from his unofficial militia.

One of the few things worse than an army close down of the rallies.

But that doesn't mean OTHER Red leaders won't push the other way.

Good Cop / Bad Cop.

After the last big Red Rally at the stadium, it was not a winning combination for the Reds.

So very many empty seats and taking the dog end of the violence also was not good for the cause.

Edited January 3, 2014 by animatic

[Prbkk]

This statement is a relief, as the UDD's participation in Bangkok would have been incendiary ( perhaps literally ). Strongly hope that this advice is followed.

Yes, I agree. This is a wise decision. They are not being provoked by the other side and playing a very restrained and responsible part in this dispute.

[MrSlatersParrot]

IMO reds will not come into Bangkok because they will be outnumbered massively

They came to Rajamangala and had to retreat in less that 24 hours. If the reds roll into Bkk again they will get the same welcome .. none.... 10K 20K even 50K can come on down ... will still be outnumbered.

If 75% of the Bangkok electorate do not have the vote in Bangkok just which side do you suppose they will support?

Are you saying that 75 % living in Bangkok are from the North and North East and all of them are Thaksin fans? You must be joking or dreaming....

they're not from the south now are they?

You forget about the workers and all those who come into work in Bangkok every day.

They don't want their rights taken away.

Just because 400,000 or so mostly middle class chinese thai take to the street they are not the majority.

[whybother]

Nice to see Nuttawut putting Jatuporn in his place.

[Raspberry]

The political topic of who's red or yellow has clearly polarized the population. I'm sure a lot of families are split up because of this. How about businesses? Companies that are strongly red or yellow, do they lose clients or do they intimidate their customers to stay away?

....probably the things that are keeping the red and yellow as one people still is their religion and ethnicity. They are of the same. In some other places in the world, having different opinions and being of different ethnicity and praying to different gods mean all out war, ethnic cleansing, genocide, etc.

Edited January 3, 2014 by Raspberry

[whybother]

The political topic of who's red or yellow has clearly polarized the population. I'm sure a lot of families are split up because of this. How about businesses? Companies that are strongly red or yellow, do they lose clients or do they intimidate their customers to stay away?

....probably the things that are keeping the red and yellow as one people still is their religion and ethnicity. They are of the same. In some other places in the world, having different opinions and being of different ethnicity and praying to different gods mean all out war, ethnic cleansing, genocide, etc.

Or maybe a majority of the population are neither red nor yellow, and are just sick of the corruption of both sides.

[binjalin]

The political topic of who's red or yellow has clearly polarized the population. I'm sure a lot of families are split up because of this. How about businesses? Companies that are strongly red or yellow, do they lose clients or do they intimidate their customers to stay away?

....probably the things that are keeping the red and yellow as one people still is their religion and ethnicity. They are of the same. In some other places in the world, having different opinions and being of different ethnicity and praying to different gods mean all out war, ethnic cleansing, genocide, etc.

Or maybe a majority of the population are neither red nor yellow, and are just sick of the corruption of both sides.

and "maybe" an ELECTION would solve that?

[Baerboxer]

Bad news for Suthep if the reds actually do that and avoid confrontation he won't have the violence he needs.

You've posted a lot of dumbass stuff but I think this counts as one of the dumbest. No one wants any violence and everyone on both sides of this conflict is breathing a sigh of relief that there probably won't be a confrontation.

You are seriously naive if you believe Suthep (and equally importantly his backers) would not like to see the government/security forces crack down violently, not least because it would allow the army/directed judges to step in and remove the Yingluck government.Unfortunately for them the government has been very patient and has won international approval for its approach.

Naive. Hmmm. Do you think the government is behaving like this because they deeply care for the safety and well being of the Thai people? That they really respect the right of protest, democracy and will listen to the people and implement reforms that will benefit the country as a whole?

Or might it just be the usual often confusing machinations associated with their manipulative grand strategist?

Trying to dress up the international approvals as support for PTP is wearing a bit thin now. Not one single government has come out and actually supported the Yingluck government or PTP.

[Baerboxer]

The political topic of who's red or yellow has clearly polarized the population. I'm sure a lot of families are split up because of this. How about businesses? Companies that are strongly red or yellow, do they lose clients or do they intimidate their customers to stay away?

....probably the things that are keeping the red and yellow as one people still is their religion and ethnicity. They are of the same. In some other places in the world, having different opinions and being of different ethnicity and praying to different gods mean all out war, ethnic cleansing, genocide, etc.

Or maybe a majority of the population are neither red nor yellow, and are just sick of the corruption of both sides.

and "maybe" an ELECTION would solve that?

Do you remember the nice picture of Yingluck posing with a group of guys in front of a massive stop corruption poster?

Do you remember Yingluck babbling on about stopping corruption, and there being no corruption in her government?

Did you see the recent index on corrupt countries?

So how would an election solve this?

PTP are headed by a convicted criminal fugitive who was convicted of fraud. A considerable number of his relatives and extended family have been convicted of fraud but have been selected to fight as PTP candidates or party list. <deleted> makes you think an election will change anything?

[Tokay]

It is about to split the country into 2.

It is better to split it now, before the civil war.

Or have a 20 years civil war and loose 5 million people first than spit the country.

They need to have their war and get it over with. It's inevitable that it will happen, so lets have at it so normal people can get on with their lives. Split the country into 2 or 3 parts and be done with it. But it won't stop there, oh no, they will continue to fight each other because that's just how they are. So since no one will ever win, they should just call it a wrap and get back to Thai rak Thai.

[GrantSmith]

UDD key leader Nattawut Saikua asked Red Shirt supporters who are against shutting down the capital by the People’s Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) led by former deputy premier and Democrat MP for Surat Thani Suthep Thaugsuban to show their purpose and join the UDD mass rally on January 13 at 9am in every province--except Bangkok, Nonthaburi, Pathum Thani and Samut Prakan. But people in these provinces are invited to join the rally in other provinces

So given Bangkok's North, South and North Eastern borders will be UDD free, they'll be converging on the West and Eastern provinces of Samut Sakhon, Nakhon Pathom and Chachoengsao then?

Now, where did I put my tinfoil hat... Probably next to my X-ray film 'bullet proof' vest...

[WAERTH]

If Thailand splits up. It will not be 2 ways. Sooner 5 or 6 ways.

North = Lanna Land
Maybe even the province of Nan a former kingdom up until the 20th century will want to be independent again.
Northeast North = Isaan Lao
Northeast South = Isaan Khmer
South Area of Nakhon Si Thammarat was once a kingdom.
Deep Southern Malay area

I have travelled in Thailand extensively as a member of the Doo Dokraedone comedy group and one thing that I noticed in my travels is that although there are many similarities there are many cultural divisions in this country. They were forced to assimilate by Plaek Phibul Songkram into one Thai identity in the 40ties and this was further enforced up till now. But many of these people are different culturally. So if the shit hits the fan, look for many more breakups in the country, not just a north vs south thing.

[jackrich]

Bad news for Suthep if the reds actually do that and avoid confrontation he won't have the violence he needs.

Absurd assumption. He doesn't need or want violence and neither do the protesters.

Oh yeah, they're very peaceful indeed.

[Roadman]

Bad news for Suthep if the reds actually do that and avoid confrontation he won't have the violence he needs.

You've posted a lot of dumbass stuff but I think this counts as one of the dumbest. No one wants any violence and everyone on both sides of this conflict is breathing a sigh of relief that there probably won't be a confrontation.

Glad you appreciate my contribution.

If you don't understand that Suthep needs confrontation to bring in the troops then where have you been? The military have basically said they will intervene if any occurs.

I believe the reds may have made a good move, not going at all would have been better, and I sincerely hope that everything goes off peacefully and nobody gets hurt.

Whatever happens it will only be the old cycles of Thailand repeating itself and it will achieve exactly the same results as in the past. Back to square one.

Disagree with only the very last sentence and only to some degree.

Somewhere beyond this latest protest and people coup there will need to be the restart from Square One but I think from looking at the large sector of support that the rabid Suthep is drawing and also from those from all spheres of Thailand who do not like Suthep but agree with the principles of reform, that this time around that Square One start is going to look somewhat different from the past. There is a huge voice for the requirement of reform coming from everywhere - Thai middle class society, the business sector, the governments own employees, the banking and economic sector, universities, Somchai citizen, The Army, etc. I think the average Thai is only now starting to realise that Thailand is slipping at an alarming rate from a possible consistently strong economy to the upcoming basket case of ASEAN while it is held captive and financially creamed under any elite mostly for their benefit whether that be old school elite or the modern scum that are the Shinawatra's.. ASEAN - yah coming to you soon and look at the mess that the Shinawatra clowns have Thailand in - leader and hub for ASEAN? or Shinawatra Cambodian type basket case of ASEAN?

[MaiChai]

Is he a government employee or a red shirt leader? Surely there is a conflict of interest and he should not have two jobs? PMs have been removed for having two jobs.

[JRSoul]

Is he a government employee or a red shirt leader? Surely there is a conflict of interest and he should not have two jobs? PMs have been removed for having two jobs.

Not 2 jobs. both are facets of the one position, Thaksin's paid stooge.

[Maha Sarakham Marty]

Bad news for Suthep if the reds actually do that and avoid confrontation he won't have the violence he needs.

Absurd assumption. He doesn't need or want violence and neither do the protesters.

Oh yeah, they're very peaceful indeed.

Agreed. Compared to their predecessors, they are comparatively peaceful.