Thaksin 'urges Yingluck to stay' as Prayuth demurs

[Prbkk]

Prbkk - I dont want to reply to you again but i see you are very misguided man.Thailand CANNOT move on from Thaksin he is using his wealth to STOP us from doing that. Also can you see that you are providing false fact - you are misrepresenting fact -in 2010 Red people bring guns and shoot rockets at innocent people in Silom. They post stickers on walls around Bangkok and proclaim "President Thaksin" Do you not understand that as long as this man is here there will never be any rest for anyone. My own University was having student shot three weeks ago - unarmed students - yet you need we move on from thaksin - why you think he go to Kampouchea so much to talk to Hun Sen? You are farang we dont expect you to know same as we know - but please - do not call us trett thugs and insult us like this!!

Well said ... many of us here are getting tired of Prbkk's totally one-sided (and ill-considered) view of the situation here. He talks about how ridiculous it is that Yingluck can be held responsible, and yet spews out venomous comments on how Abhisit and Suthep should be jailed, or even killed...!

You should ignore Prbkk's comments because, as you so rightly point out, he is a very misguided individual!

Misguided or not George, there is an obligation to tell the truth. Please do not suggest that I have posted that Abhisit or Suthep should be jailed or killed. I have not, ever. Why you feel the need to make that claim is for you to contemplate

[ginjag]

Prbkk - I dont want to reply to you again but i see you are very misguided man.Thailand CANNOT move on from Thaksin he is using his wealth to STOP us from doing that. Also can you see that you are providing false fact - you are misrepresenting fact -in 2010 Red people bring guns and shoot rockets at innocent people in Silom. They post stickers on walls around Bangkok and proclaim "President Thaksin" Do you not understand that as long as this man is here there will never be any rest for anyone. My own University was having student shot three weeks ago - unarmed students - yet you need we move on from thaksin - why you think he go to Kampouchea so much to talk to Hun Sen? You are farang we dont expect you to know same as we know - but please - do not call us trett thugs and insult us like this!!

Yes, I understand you don't like criticism or questioning. Perhaps that's why , in a post yesterday, you advised foreigners to leave Thailand if they didn't like what is happening and that too many farang had been listening to their Isaan wives. You are not quite the ingenue you appear at first glance.

And a student of RU? Well, indeed we have all seen the pictrues of those peaceful RU students students attacking innocent citizens in taxis and on a bus, and those arrested with guns.

Many of the protesters are peaceful. Some are thugs. I have not provided any "false facts".

There are incidents of violent student behavior, I will re word your last sentence ( Near ALL the protesters are peaceful very few are thugs) I have not provided "false facts"

Again you want to compare true facts---well compare REDS in BKK petrol soaked rubber tyres sharpened bamboos--barracades. armed/ burnt and pillaged.

[scorecard]

What is Thaksin saying?

"Thaksin, who said the Constitution did not allow her to resign, according to the sources."

Well this is imply not true. Yingluck has the right to resign at anytime and would face no penalties for doing so.

"If she did resign, the protesters would ask the court to rule that she had violated the Penal Code's Article 157, which punishes officials who abandon their duty. She would face a jail term, he warned."

Again this is simply untrue, article 157 is a subsection of the Penakl code that deals with corruption..........

"The provisions of the Penal Code incriminating acts of corruption are contained in Articles 147 to 157 and those that aggravate the punishment for specific officers are stipulated in Articles 200 to 202.

In addition, Articles 153 to 156 impose criminal sanctions, up to imprisonment for life, on corrupted of officers whose duties concern ccountancy functions. A general offence is prescribed in Article 157 as misconduct in office punished with a maximum imprisonment of 10 years." http://www.unafei.or.jp/english/pdf/RS_No83/No83_22PA_Pinthip.pdf

So that means Thaksin is manipulating his sister with unsubstantiated threats of imprisonment if she doesn't do what he says and remains in the caretaker PM position, even though it is against her will. What a great and thoughtful brother he is.

The reality is Thaksin doesn't want Yingluck to resign because he will loose control of the government and that leaves them open to a uncontrolled investigation of their corrupt practices. This would obviously lead to charges for most of the PTP members and maybe prison sentences. No wonder the blanket amnesty bill is so important for this administration, Yingluck must stay in her role, win the election and push through the blanket amnesty bill then she is free to resign.

"The reality is Thaksin doesn't want Yingluck to resign because he will loose control of the government and that leaves them open to a uncontrolled investigation of their corrupt practices. This would obviously lead to charges for most of the PTP members and maybe prison sentences. No wonder the blanket amnesty bill is so important for this administration, Yingluck must stay in her role, win the election and push through the blanket amnesty bill then she is free to resign."

Well said.

Here's another maybe: Yingluck says 'enough, I resign', the paymaster appoints his cousin surapong as pm. How about that for a twist?

Edited January 14, 2014 by scorecard

[rubl]

I find it very difficult to believe that the rest of the world would accept Yingluck being held accountable if "something happens". What kind of rubbish is this? Thailand would become (even more of) an international laughing stock in the event that an elected PM is held responsible for the actions of anti-democratic street thugs. That would lead to sanctions, trade embargoes, investors fleeing the country, ASEAN intervention. It's complete rubbish. Classics case of blaming the victim.

totally unfair indeed, but that the lot of a PM even if she's only caretaking PM with a golf caddy as special advisor.

With the 'we told you so' I guess the charge can be 'premeditated'

[Showbags]

Anybody else wonder why billionaires talk via skype ?

[Prbkk]

Prbkk - I dont want to reply to you again but i see you are very misguided man.Thailand CANNOT move on from Thaksin he is using his wealth to STOP us from doing that. Also can you see that you are providing false fact - you are misrepresenting fact -in 2010 Red people bring guns and shoot rockets at innocent people in Silom. They post stickers on walls around Bangkok and proclaim "President Thaksin" Do you not understand that as long as this man is here there will never be any rest for anyone. My own University was having student shot three weeks ago - unarmed students - yet you need we move on from thaksin - why you think he go to Kampouchea so much to talk to Hun Sen? You are farang we dont expect you to know same as we know - but please - do not call us trett thugs and insult us like this!!

Yes, I understand you don't like criticism or questioning. Perhaps that's why , in a post yesterday, you advised foreigners to leave Thailand if they didn't like what is happening and that too many farang had been listening to their Isaan wives. You are not quite the ingenue you appear at first glance.

And a student of RU? Well, indeed we have all seen the pictrues of those peaceful RU students students attacking innocent citizens in taxis and on a bus, and those arrested with guns.

Many of the protesters are peaceful. Some are thugs. I have not provided any "false facts".

There are incidents of violent student behavior, I will re word your last sentence ( Near ALL the protesters are peaceful very few are thugs) I have not provided "false facts"

Again you want to compare true facts---well compare REDS in BKK petrol soaked rubber tyres sharpened bamboos--barracades. armed/ burnt and pillaged.

Yes, I don't disagree. But I didn't support those activities by the reds or the invasion of the airport by the others.I do want an amnesty for them all...so the country can move on. Yes, amnesty is a painful concept for may, I get that but still think it's worthwhile

[waza]

OMG are you serious, it is not a crime for the PM to talk to her brother, it is not a crime for Thaksin to encourage his sister to resist the fascist who want to turn this country into a dictatorship, it is not a crime for her to call her brother and ask for advise, on any issue, he doesn't have any authority but he can be influential. I love they way you say the law should be 'modernized' you call that modern? It's modern to abolish freedom of speech, the PM cannot talk to her brother and all her communications should be monitored in case she commits this crime.

What authority does this man have from a legal standpoint on this situation?

Could this article (if taken from statements directly from her and also possibly from the brawler himself) be an admission of associating with and acting on behalf for the benefit of a known fugitive?

If Thai law does not cover this kind of activity then perhaps it is time Thai law was modernised into the digital era to reflect this type of crime. This goes not only for dialogue between PTP and Thaksin but all other fugitives of the Kingdom - he is not the first and will not be the last unless the law is changed.

Well actually it is a crime, pkspeaker, article 192 of the penal code states. "Section 192 Whoever, harboring, hiding or assisting with any means the person escaped from the lawful custody under the power of the Court, inquiry official or official empowered to investigate the criminal cases so as to such person may not be arrested, shall be imprisoned not out of three years or fined not out of six thousand Baht, or both."

I also believe that a government official consorting with, aiding and abetting a know fugitive would be open to malfeasant charges too.

[icommunity]

This news quoting sources is just like the faked "open letter" of Dr Surin, former Secretary General of ASEAN

[Docno]

Hard to imagine an army chief in a western democracy talking to an elected leader in this way. Can you imagine Chuck Hagel telling Obama, 'I'm not going to give you my opinion, but if you get it wrong, it's on your head and you will see what happens next'? People here keep saying that the Isaan farmers don't understand democracy. Well, they're not the ones I worry about....

This is not a western country.

The armed forces relationship with 'elected' government is different in pretty much every country in the world.

The armed forces relationships with the populace is different in every country.

Yep - I know that. Still amazing to see it in action.

[ginjag]

Prbkk - I dont want to reply to you again but i see you are very misguided man.Thailand CANNOT move on from Thaksin he is using his wealth to STOP us from doing that. Also can you see that you are providing false fact - you are misrepresenting fact -in 2010 Red people bring guns and shoot rockets at innocent people in Silom. They post stickers on walls around Bangkok and proclaim "President Thaksin" Do you not understand that as long as this man is here there will never be any rest for anyone. My own University was having student shot three weeks ago - unarmed students - yet you need we move on from thaksin - why you think he go to Kampouchea so much to talk to Hun Sen? You are farang we dont expect you to know same as we know - but please - do not call us trett thugs and insult us like this!!

Yes, I understand you don't like criticism or questioning. Perhaps that's why , in a post yesterday, you advised foreigners to leave Thailand if they didn't like what is happening and that too many farang had been listening to their Isaan wives. You are not quite the ingenue you appear at first glance.

And a student of RU? Well, indeed we have all seen the pictrues of those peaceful RU students students attacking innocent citizens in taxis and on a bus, and those arrested with guns.

Many of the protesters are peaceful. Some are thugs. I have not provided any "false facts".

There are incidents of violent student behavior, I will re word your last sentence ( Near ALL the protesters are peaceful very few are thugs) I have not provided "false facts"

Again you want to compare true facts---well compare REDS in BKK petrol soaked rubber tyres sharpened bamboos--barracades. armed/ burnt and pillaged.

Yes, I don't disagree. But I didn't support those activities by the reds or the invasion of the airport by the others.I do want an amnesty for them all...so the country can move on. Yes, amnesty is a painful concept for may, I get that but still think it's worthwhile

If then you do not disagree, why did you go OTT with your comments ???

Again you call REDS in BKK "activities" that is outrageous.

You want amnesty for them ALL--including TS ??? without his 2 year jail there are countless other more serious charges against him, and to boot what about the charges that will crop up when the books are looked at with the country being bankrupt. you want amnesty for the PM and PTP ???

I was schooled at a lower level but I have decent values past on from my elders as to right and wrong.

[pooket]

I find it very difficult to believe that the rest of the world would accept Yingluck being held accountable if "something happens". What kind of rubbish is this? Thailand would become (even more of) an international laughing stock in the event that an elected PM is held responsible for the actions of anti-democratic street thugs. That would lead to sanctions, trade embargoes, investors fleeing the country, ASEAN intervention. It's complete rubbish. Classics case of blaming the victim.

It really is audacious of the general to tell the elected leader that she would be held responsible.

I completely agree with your statement! I am continuously sickened when I read the newspaper where the army is asked if they're going to have a coup. Can you imagine this in any developed country!?! <deleted> the military!!! What they think doesn't matter. They're a tool and that's all. It just shows how screwed up Thailand is when they openly talk about coups. It legitimizes coups and shows that the military here has WAY too much power and influence.

Instead of demanding a suspension of democracy, these people should be demanding the military be neutered. Sent from my vagina with a wooden spatula

[icommunity]

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When was Thaksin guilty of terrorism???

He travels freely around the world because the world accepted him as a politically persecuted person. AV administration even lied to the whole world that it had an international arrest warrant.

They are many with terrorism charges but have not step a step into jail. Their cases got postponing for about six year by now. As for the redshirt/UDD, they are many of them still in jails without trail while some on bail waiting trial.

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[Prbkk]

yes, amnesty for all, including Thaksin, Suteph, Abhisit That is my position...has been for weeks

[RtotheC]

Funny how Thaksin is such an expert on legal and constitutional matters yet didn't see a problem hiding his assets in his maid and gardners name, bribing a court official with 2 million stuffed in a pastry box, selling Thai national communication satellites to another country and trousering the proceeds, and having countless thousands of innocents slaughtered after catching a family member dusting his nose. A legal expert when it suits him?

He would have gotten away with it to if it weren't for those meddling kids!

[Scamper]

This story should be plastered on every television station around the world, every billboard, every blog, every newspaper. There shouldn't be a single space on the planet that doesn't carry this story. Thaksin - alternating between the role of Iago and Lady Macbeth - is now whispering ( shouting ) in his sister's ear, telling her that the protesters' call for her resignation is really just a ruse - once she resigns they will prosecute her for abandoning her country ( unlike him ) and throw her in prison ! This is the very height of infamy.This could have been peaceful resolved - yesterday ! But Thaksin - as ever the most selfish being on the planet, and dangerous to boot - is telling a prime minister over that blasted skype connection to hang tough ! ( presumably like he would, if he were only a man, and were actually here, where a prison sentence wouldn't be a just mere ruse ). Yingluck, trust your better instincts. Trust your heart and your feelings. Don't seek guidance from this man. He is only out for himself. He is out to deceive you and the country.

[Docno]

I personally don't see a whole lot wrong about Yingluck talking to her brother for advice. I'm sure George W Bush sought advice from his dad (not to mention other family members), that Hilary Clinton seeks advice from Bill, that Singapore PM Lee Hsieng Loon seeks advice from Lee Kwan Yew, etc etc etc. I just don't understand why they 'advertise' it like this, as it just feeds the perception that Yingluck is a puppet/mouthpiece for Thaksin [which she very well may be]. Total lack of political savvy. Or is it that PTP supporters find comfort in Thaksin's involvement?

[tomacht8]

Yingluck later called a meeting with Pheu Thai Party executives and talked via Skype with Thaksin, who said the Constitution did not allow her to resign, according to the sources.

Thaksin does not run the country, I do, says Yingluck, after getting her daily orders from Dubai.

Thaksin, if the report is correct, referred to the Thai Penal Code Section 157; Section 157 quoted below. There must be hundreds, if not thousands of Thai officials to whom this would apply, including Thaksin. I wonder how many have been convicted and serving their sentence.

Criminal Code Section 157: Whoever, being an official, wrongfully exercises or does not exercise any of his function to the injury of any person, or dishonestly exercises or omits to exercise any of his functions, shall be punished with imprisonment of one to ten years or fined from two thousand to twenty thousand Baht, or both.

"shall be punished with imprisonment of one to ten years or fined from two thousand to twenty thousand Baht, or both."

I think the penalty formulation "and/or" is poor. These types of formulations can be found in many legal texts.

The minimum penalties are a joke and have no deterrent effect.

The law is open to corruption here. Many rich criminals using this, to get a soft sentence with a pre agreement.

Also the bail regulation is urgent to reform.

For example:

§ 376

Any person who without justifiable grounds shoots an explosive gun in a town, village or amongst a public gathering shall be

liable to imprisonment for not more than ten days, or a fine not exceeding five hundred baht or both.

So you can fire a gun in a crowd: 15 Dollar (500 Baht)

§ 385

Any person who, without lawful authorisation and without necessity, obstructs a public way by placing or leaving any object on it or by any other act to such an extent that the traffic safety or convenience is likely to be disturbed shall be liable to a fine not exceeding five hundred baht.

So you can block a highway: 15 Dollar (500 Baht)

[JRSoul]

What I find more interesting in this Yellow Nation story is the source

or sources.

"Shoot the messenger" seems to be popular today. Makes a change from "Talk about something else."

[BuddyPinkham]

And WHO is "NOT" pulling strings from Dubai? How many times has she said that she is not in contact with her brother over political matters, but only family matters?

The pot is stewing!

[icommunity]

Love102 - Where are your evidence that "Red people bring guns and shoot rockets at innocent people in Silom. They post stickers on walls around Bangkok and proclaim "President Thaksin"? You are trying to distort and mislead people.

[icare999]

I find it very difficult to believe that the rest of the world would accept Yingluck being held accountable if "something happens". What kind of rubbish is this? Thailand would become (even more of) an international laughing stock in the event that an elected PM is held responsible for the actions of anti-democratic street thugs. That would lead to sanctions, trade embargoes, investors fleeing the country, ASEAN intervention. It's complete rubbish. Classics case of blaming the victim.

but same does not apply to attempt to charge Abahist with murder - unbelievable the hypocrisy and double standards of some people

[lovetotravel]

I personally don't see a whole lot wrong about Yingluck talking to her brother for advice. I'm sure George W Bush sought advice from his dad (not to mention other family members), that Hilary Clinton seeks advice from Bill, that Singapore PM Lee Hsieng Loon seeks advice from Lee Kwan Yew, etc etc etc. I just don't understand why they 'advertise' it like this, as it just feeds the perception that Yingluck is a puppet/mouthpiece for Thaksin [which she very well may be]. Total lack of political savvy. Or is it that PTP supporters find comfort in Thaksin's involvement?

Except for the fact he's a convicted criminal on the run?

[yasorab]

Well surprise surprise ! He would come out with something like that ! Wouldn't want to compromise his own long term position would he ! Time the UN or some outside body took a hold of this place and shook it by its throat !

[bigbamboo]

I personally don't see a whole lot wrong about Yingluck talking to her brother for advice. I'm sure George W Bush sought advice from his dad (not to mention other family members), that Hilary Clinton seeks advice from Bill, that Singapore PM Lee Hsieng Loon seeks advice from Lee Kwan Yew, etc etc etc. I just don't understand why they 'advertise' it like this, as it just feeds the perception that Yingluck is a puppet/mouthpiece for Thaksin [which she very well may be]. Total lack of political savvy. Or is it that PTP supporters find comfort in Thaksin's involvement?

Except for the fact he's a convicted criminal on the run?

Why shouldn't she do what he 'urges' her to? He is the de facto PM.

Edited January 14, 2014 by bigbamboo

[kingalfred]

Nothing is more certain that the shinawatras have to be removed from Thai politics for there to be any peace in the country.And the Issan and Chiang Mai disciples of their fugitive crook and darling puppet better realize or you know what.You can have your "Isaanland'

Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Edited January 14, 2014 by kingalfred

[Lupatria]

Oh, there is punishment for officials who abandon their duty in this country? Was he aware of this befor he got kicked out of office?

[ggold]

 

'sources said' 'the source said' ... Why not name the sources if they are credible? If not, this article is a joke and will no doubt be discredited by Yingluck and all others present.

 

Me thinks some of you guys have been on the sauce!

The OP said "To protect themselves from being attacked by unknown parties, soldiers should dress in plain clothes while guarding the many buildings of government agencies and their command posts, according to a source."

which is all the source said, That doesn't attribute the whole Post to a source does it?

But Hey lets not try to actually understand what is being said lets just spout off for the fun of it!

[AlphMichaels]

Whether right or wrong...., exiled former leaders advising in "absentia"..., been happening for hundreds of years.

Not taking sides..., only pointing out a fact.

[GarryP]

Perhaps Thaksin is not aware of the true picture in Thailand. Don't forget that he is being served by yes-men who tell him what he wants to hear, and reading the foreign press which for the most part is putting a different spin on what is happening to the local press. So perhaps he is not being mean to his little sister (if you can believe that you can believe anything) but really believes that an election is possible on 2 February.

[ginjag]

Perhaps Thaksin is not aware of the true picture in Thailand. Don't forget that he is being served by yes-men who tell him what he wants to hear, and reading the foreign press which for the most part is putting a different spin on what is happening to the local press. So perhaps he is not being mean to his little sister (if you can believe that you can believe anything) but really believes that an election is possible on 2 February.

Thaksin should not be in the picture, Our PM is wrong in keeping him there and will have to answer that on judgment day.