Protest Grenade Attack: Police Dispute PCAD's Claims

[JRSoul]

Sure. Anyway, over to the other English language newspaper in Thailand then. They report flatly that a 'Democrat Aide' is a suspect in the bombing (murder). But those kinds of articles you don't see in The Nation and affiliated media/forums.

Do a google search for " democrat-aide-sought-over-blast "

The BP article states no such thing. It reports they are seeking the owner of the pickup, no mention is made of him being a suspect.

Thailand's Police are seeking two men, one believed to be an aide of a former Democrat MP, seen in a video clip of the grenade explosion that killed one protester and injured scores of others ..

Thailand's added to accommodate the paste; Even with one eye how you missed the first sentence of the article is well Suthepidity.

So you don't understand that someone police are "seeking" is not necessarily a suspect? He owns the pick-up, would most likely know who the driver was, and would be routinely questioned. Go back to the BP article and find the word "suspect" if you can.

[Tatsujin]

Interesting. I'd heard the same things.

Also heard that Yingluck is actually Thaksin's illegitimate daughter, though I'm really not sure about that one lol

I think that rumour arose from an American colloquial expression, used to describe Thaksin, that was taken literally when translated. Lost in translation, you could say.

No, it was not from an expression at all. But it's going off-topic so let's leave it alone

[Fat Haggis]

Simplest thing is for the driver, who would also be a key "witness" to come forward, to be eliminated.

Opps sorry, eliminated from their inquiries!!

[pipkins]

The more the truth comes out the more it looks like a cover up by the anti government protesters and their leaders. But it seems to have failed.

In your hardly humble and ever so slightly biased opinion.

Well, I support neither side as I feel the elites need to be brought to account as much as Thaksin and his cronies do. However I have to say this looks very, very dubious to me. The police cap is just so hard to believe, why would they leave it behind? Personally I would not put ANYTHING past ANY of these self serving thugs that call themselves politicians (on either side). For me this one ranks along side the sniper shooting of the Red Sergent Major in 2010, it's very difficult to know just who did it. In that case I felt the most benefit would have been to Thaksin, in this instance I see the main beneficiary as Suthep. I don't think anyone here on TV can be certain who did what.

Why would they leave the red cap behind...

Going into a PDRC stronghold with guns (and a fridge we are told)... why would they have red caps with them anyway if they were a crack assassination team.

Then, why would the miss the target. Anybody wanting to attack PDRC would have to Suthep or his bodyguards.

Who the hell would to to all that trouble, miss, - by a mile - and read a pile of toy guns and hats and ID at the scene.

Finger only pointing one way... even on here, he is not getting much benefit of the doubt even from his own people.

Watch him collecting the money this past week. This is the key video and picture.... He is broke... They are facing real defeat this time and are very desperate

[diceq]

So you don't understand that someone police are "seeking" is not necessarily a suspect? He owns the pick-up, would most likely know who the driver was, and would be routinely questioned. Go back to the BP article and find the word "suspect" if you can.

Just because they don't use the word suspect, doesn't mean they are not. Get it now?

After the explosion, the pickup driver fled the vehicle and ran to the pole. After the dust settled, the two men came out from behind the pole together and picked up something on the ground, which police expect was the grenade pin, before leaving without showing any interest in the injured people. Pol Maj Gen Adul said it was believed the two likely knew each other and were involved in the bombing.

[3NUMBAS]

only PCAD would know the route and time in advance ,nobody else

[patjem]

Actually the "granader" ran into that building and I assume had pre-planted the "bb-guns" and the red hat with the police insignia on it hoping that the protesters would follow him strait away, discover the plant and retaliate against the police which would then bring in the army and vualah.......COUP.

Nice try Suthep you.....MORON..........You killed again didn't you?

I'm quite sure Suthep has enough things going on. Only a moron would come up with the conclusion that Suthep himself planned this attack.

[pumpuiman]

Actually the "granader" ran into that building and I assume had pre-planted the "bb-guns" and the red hat with the police insignia on it hoping that the protesters would follow him strait away, discover the plant and retaliate against the police which would then bring in the army and vualah.......COUP.

Nice try Suthep you.....MORON..........You killed again didn't you?

I'm quite sure Suthep has enough things going on. Only a moron would come up with the conclusion that Suthep himself planned this attack.

Do you only get your information from the Blue sky channel?

Do you really believe Suthep is free from corruption and is beyond reproach?

Have you chosen to ignore the fact that Suthep is backed by two powerful retired generals?

Do you believe Suthep would allow ANY populist to win an election in the future, if given the power?

This is not only about the Shin clan, this is about returning control to the elite,.

Change the channel, and read some uncensored reports.

Edited January 19, 2014 by pumpuiman

[Prbkk]

The RTP announced that the grenade did not come from the building but was thrown by someone in the protest group (BP)

[gerry1011]

The RTP announced that the grenade did not come from the building but was thrown by someone in the protest group (BP)

The truth is coming out...

This was set up by Suthep to reinvigorate his ailing protest.

The social media is inundated with pictures of yellow "guards" caught with all sorts of weapons (the latest one was high on yaba)

To avoid more blood there is only one thing to do: Eradicate Suthep and his followers.

Thailand needs peace.

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[AleG]

The RTP announced that the grenade did not come from the building but was thrown by someone in the protest group (BP)

Yes, it's amazing. For example they where able to determine that after dropping a bomb on their feet and hiding behind a light post they stopped to pick up grenade fragments. The video analysis equipment they must have to have determined that from the grainy video shot from the other end of the street must make the guys at CSI weep in awe.

I'm sure this investigation was very thorough and backed by experts. Except the police's IED forensic expert that say that scenario was <deleted>, but what would he know?

Edited January 19, 2014 by AleG

[aussieinthailand]

The more the truth comes out the more it looks like a cover up by the anti government protesters and their leaders. But it seems to have failed.

You mean the "truth" as put forward by the Govt and Police who have proven so trustworthy and honest over the years?

If you put the words "Govt" or "Police" in any statement, I'm going to take what they claim with a VERY large pinch of salt.

Ye'p I hear you, just as anything Suthep say would have to be taken with a very large sack of salt considering his history.

[whybother]

The BP article states no such thing. It reports they are seeking the owner of the pickup, no mention is made of him being a suspect.

Thailand's Police are seeking two men, one believed to be an aide of a former Democrat MP, seen in a video clip of the grenade explosion that killed one protester and injured scores of others ..

Thailand's added to accommodate the paste; Even with one eye how you missed the first sentence of the article is well Suthepidity.

Where in that sentence does it say he's a suspect?

[whybother]

It really helps to take off those rose-tinted glassed sometimes you know then you'll see that a flag is indeed a flag and not whatever spin the red propaganda machine wants to put on it at that moment in time.

You didn't see it was a flag either.

I think you need to watch the video on something bigger than your mobile phone.

[ramrod711]

"Please don′t pull us into politics," Pol.Maj.Gen. Pattanawuth said,

one might feel sorry for him, or possibly even believe him, except the police had those darn pro Thaksin rallies led by the top cop who went to Dubai for his stripes.You know the one, the guy with his picture with Thaksin on his wall.

[whybother]

One fact is blatantly obvious.

Whoever changed the route is guilty of involvement in the bombing.

Plain and simple.

That is based on the assumption that it was a planned bombing. Why couldn't it be some nut job taking advantage of a chance situation.

[blabth]

The question is always who will benefit from the grenade attack? Only if chaos in Bangkok street will appear than there is a chance that the military will intervene. That is my guess, but my guess is as good as everybody's else guess.

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[Baerboxer]

The more the truth comes out the more it looks like a cover up by the anti government protesters and their leaders. But it seems to have failed.

Sure - you can believe everything the police and the red press say. They wouldn't lie would they now ?

Just like the men in black on the ministry roof - the police denied they were police officers, until their COC admitted it!

I doubt the real truth will ever come out about many of the recent events.

[than]

It's interresting to see that weapon show by RTP are so different by saw on blue sky tv

On bluesky tv you saw M16A1 and A2

RTP show M4A1

Edited January 19, 2014 by than

[Ozymandias]

The more the truth comes out the more it looks like a cover up by the anti government protesters and their leaders. But it seems to have failed.

In your hardly humble and ever so slightly biased opinion.

Sure. Anyway, over to the other English language newspaper in Thailand then. They report flatly that a 'Democrat Aide' is a suspect in the bombing (murder). But those kinds of articles you don't see in The Nation and affiliated media/forums.

Do a google search for " democrat-aide-sought-over-blast "

Not unusual to look for the driver of a vehicle that was attacked, nor is it unusual for them to look for the owner of said vehicle.

"Pol Col Khamthon Ouicharoen, an explosive ordnance disposal (EOD) specialist attached to the Patrol and Special Operations Division, said it was unlikely the grenade had been thrown from the pickup said to be owned by an anti-government protester."

So who's right then?

The suspicious aspects of this are a) that the route was changed at the last minute that the PDRC claims it was thrown from a building and then stormed the building to find the evidence (now discredited) c) that the PDRC would not allow the police to access the crime scene - but let the army in who now have 'evidence' but mostly that d) if you watch the video a few times over, the behaviour fo the man in the white cap makes it clear that he was the one that dropped the bomb.

How curious - it seems to have disappeared from youtube. Can anybody locate the video? The Bangkok Post featured it earlier today and now it seems to have disappeared. Hope it hasn't been censored...

[rwdrwdrwd]

I slowed down the 4 seconds and noticed something, a person next to the post in the top right of the video throws something about 3 seconds before the explosion. May be just a coincidence.

There's also some odd looking movement at 10 seconds in this video in the same area, a flash of white moving quickly in the direction of the car.

Edited January 19, 2014 by rwdrwdrwd

[AleG]

I slowed down the 4 seconds and noticed something, a person next to the post in the top right of the video throws something about 3 seconds before the explosion. May be just a coincidence.

There's also some odd looking movement at 11 seconds in this video in the same area, a flash of white moving quickly in the direction of the car.

I don´t see that, i see an object falling from left to right, entering the frame at almost exactly the middle of the top edge around second 10, to me it seems that it bounced off the ground, hit the window of the pick-up truck (the plume like shape would be glass particles) before falling back to the right on the road and exploding.

[rwdrwdrwd]

I don´t see that, i see an object falling from left to right, entering the frame at almost exactly the middle of the top edge around second 10, to me it seems that it bounced off the ground, hit the window of the pick-up truck (the plume like shape would be glass particles) before falling back to the right on the road and exploding.

Might be the same white flash I mention, it is at 10 secs not 11 as I originally wrote, and is about 1/8th of the way down and very slightly to the right of center

One thing I can definitely see is that there is movement of an object toward the vehicle window before there is movement away from it. I don't think it came from the vehicle.

Edited January 19, 2014 by rwdrwdrwd

[englishoak]

One fact is blatantly obvious.

Whoever changed the route is guilty of involvement in the bombing.

Plain and simple.

That is based on the assumption that it was a planned bombing. Why couldn't it be some nut job taking advantage of a chance situation.

Absolutely it could be and is a nutjob taking advantage of the situation be it a lone one or paid.

The driver if not involved should realise hes a very important possible witness so its rather surprising he just ran then walked off. Id say he could be discounted from enquiries very quickly if he stuck around as he should have. In fact everyone there should be coming forward to police to give them statements.

Certainly the guy in the white cap is a suspect atm and im curious what he and what looked like the driver bent to pick up when everyone around was writhing on the ground.

You would expect them to have rushed to help people etc not just act as if they had seen a wallet.

All very very suspect,

[AleG]

One fact is blatantly obvious.

Whoever changed the route is guilty of involvement in the bombing.

Plain and simple.

That is based on the assumption that it was a planned bombing. Why couldn't it be some nut job taking advantage of a chance situation.

Absolutely it could be and is a nutjob taking advantage of the situation be it a lone one or paid.

The driver if not involved should realise hes a very important possible witness so its rather surprising he just ran then walked off. Id say he could be discounted from enquiries very quickly if he stuck around as he should have. In fact everyone there should be coming forward to police to give them statements.

Certainly the guy in the white cap is a suspect atm and im curious what he and what looked like the driver bent to pick up when everyone around was writhing on the ground.

You would expect them to have rushed to help people etc not just act as if they had seen a wallet.

All very very suspect,

The two crouched in front of one of the people crawling on the ground, there are many reasons for that, picking up a grenade fragment would be very, very far down in the list in order of probability.

[tingtongteesood]

The amount of total bs from the red lovers seems to reach new highs with every passing day, just following the lead of the government and police I guess....

[englishoak]

One fact is blatantly obvious.

Whoever changed the route is guilty of involvement in the bombing.

Plain and simple.

That is based on the assumption that it was a planned bombing. Why couldn't it be some nut job taking advantage of a chance situation.

Absolutely it could be and is a nutjob taking advantage of the situation be it a lone one or paid.

The driver if not involved should realise hes a very important possible witness so its rather surprising he just ran then walked off. Id say he could be discounted from enquiries very quickly if he stuck around as he should have. In fact everyone there should be coming forward to police to give them statements.

Certainly the guy in the white cap is a suspect atm and im curious what he and what looked like the driver bent to pick up when everyone around was writhing on the ground.

You would expect them to have rushed to help people etc not just act as if they had seen a wallet.

All very very suspect,

The two crouched in front of one of the people crawling on the ground, there are many reasons for that, picking up a grenade fragment would be very, very far down in the list in order of probability.

I mentioned nothing about grenade fragments anf tbh how the heck anyone can see that when ive trouble reading the car numberplate is beyond me.

Actually im looking at a clearer vid right now and it seems the guy in the white cap after the explosion might not be the same person as the one that walks by and behind the post just as it goes off.

Look and just behind the person in black on the floor youll see another on the floor also with a white cap on closer to the pavement he then proceeds to get up and then bend down again with the other guy in black milling about beside him and wander off in a daze

Edited January 19, 2014 by englishoak

[AleG]

The two crouched in front of one of the people crawling on the ground, there are many reasons for that, picking up a grenade fragment would be very, very far down in the list in order of probability.

They did nothing to try and aid them but seemed to be interested in something else, checking one of them wasnt hurt maybe ? then just stood up and walked nonchalantly off. I mentioned nothing about grenade fragments anf tbh how the heck anyone can see that when ive trouble reading the car numberplate is beyond me.

No, you didn´t mention that; it was the CAPO that declared that, based on the video evidence they determined that the two men were picking up part of the grenade.

Them checking out the crawling man is much more probable, maybe they saw the man wasn´t actually spilling his guts on the sidewalk and decided to walk away, how can anyone find fault in people wanting to leave the area of a bomb attack?

Anyway, analysing the actions of people in the seconds following a traumatic event is rather pointless, how can you apply logic to what person in shock, or injured will do?

[englishoak]

Sorry Al just edited, currently got the time to really look at this vid thats a really good copy so doing so.

[visionchaser45]

So just who is PCAD ? did they change the name before or after the explosion ? if before then this man wanted for questioning has nothing to do with the movement, that was the PDRC ... oh here we go again with the peoples front Monty Python sketch again.

LOL Yeah, they used to be the Judean Peoples Front and now they are the Peoples Front of Judea. That skit always comes to my mind when I read about all the factions in Thailand. It is really one of the most comic tragedies I've followed in my lifetime.