Red-shirt core leader Kwanchai shot

[FangFerang]

Before anyone can even understand what is going on, the newspapers release conflicting stories. I think printing retractions has never been popular, but it seems non-existent in Thailand.

[northernjohn]

A few grenades thrown at peaceful (?) protesters, a murderattempt on a high-profile red, A few other people killed or injured along the way!

And when the dust settles sometime in the future, who are the winners of this chaotic scenario??

As usual the amart aka the real powerful elite and their high backers!

The feudal system is saved once again and it is business as usual!

Conspiracy theory?? Yes! But as good as any of the other theories thrown around here!!

Just out of curiosity.

Can you explain where all the foreign investment money pouring into this country

relates to the hi so elite? Do they own Toyota or Ford or Honda. Just looking for information.

[JRSoul]

You missed my point. Neither of us know from the information available, but you were prepared to state that it was "a bushwhacking, a targeted pickoff attempt" with no supporting data, but possibly a reason.

My post presents a minimalist statement that characterizes the shooting as a bushwhacking and that presents a conditional, i.e., "If the elite groupings are involved".

I make no attempt to identify the shooter or his motive, nor do I attempt to associate the shooter with anyone national or local. My post is a careful and cautious statement.

You are assigning much more to my post than I state. Re-read it to see that.

Okay, then re-read it again - and again until you get it.

I spent most of my working life using logic diagrams to find elusive faults. That has taught me to be very careful how I express things. Your conditional "if" does not logically continue to a later statement, in a new paragraph, beginning " And this is.." which is definite, even if you intended that to happen.

Even put sequentially "If the elite groupings are involved going after one of their own, broadly speaking, then none of them are safe. And this is a bushwhacking, a targeted pickoff attempt,...." there is no reason for a reader to assume that the "if" should apply.

[Tywais]

Thailand's red shirt leader shot; police pick up 42 bullet casings

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A police source told The Straits Times 42 bullet casings were found at the scene, and Mr Kwanchai had been hit in the right arm and leg while he was sitting outside his office drinking coffee and reading the newspaper.

More here - straitstime

[Nickymaster]

A red shirt planned attempt to make violence against their own so that they can justify using violence against innocent unarmed protestors. An attempt to incite red shirts to be violent - there is a good chance that the order has undoubtedly come from Dubai!! I will add to this that any human life treated this way is wrong! The one in Dubai is no stranger to murder and inciting murder.

I also don't believe that Thaksin would miss this outspoken (self proclaimed) Red Shirt leader.

[ginjag]

Yellow thugs at work outside their protest sites... Terrible ... >_>

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My god-bleeding Mastermind come clairvoyant .

[transam]

Thailand's red shirt leader shot; police pick up 42 bullet casings

<snip>

A police source told The Straits Times 42 bullet casings were found at the scene, and Mr Kwanchai had been hit in the right arm and leg while he was sitting outside his office drinking coffee and reading the newspaper.

More here - straitstime

Hmmmmmmm, regular AK47 doesn't hold 42 rounds in it's clip........

[JRSoul]

"100 metres from the station's fence"

Railway, bus, radio? I read that it was outside his home.

[ginjag]

Thailand's red shirt leader shot; police pick up 42 bullet casings

<snip>

A police source told The Straits Times 42 bullet casings were found at the scene, and Mr Kwanchai had been hit in the right arm and leg while he was sitting outside his office drinking coffee and reading the newspaper.

More here - straitstime

And critical ??? &lt;deleted&gt;, unless all main arteries severed and compound fractures, I am sorry have I missed the latest. just got in and read this.

[bigbamboo]

So many possible motives in this crazy situation here now but you have to ask one important question..... who benefits from a red shirt leader being murdered (as that was clearly the intention) at this point in time?

And what with the blanket amnesty and not paying the farmers those redshirt government supporters have been quieter than an Old Trafford crowd when United are losing.....

[fab4]

You've already made your point, crystal clear, with your earlier pathetic comment

"Oh dear. So sad. Never mind."

That I care very little whether one of the disciples of your little tin god lives or dies was succinctly expressed. There was little pathos because I have almost none for a man I consider despicable. Shooting is too good for some people.

However did you think of that user name.....................................

My little tin god?

Edited January 22, 2014 by fab4

[F430murci]

This is a first report and first reports always get modified.

Still, it's no secret an assault rifle is far more powerful and devastating than a handgun, so this is a serious development. If the elite groupings are involved going after one of their own, broadly speaking, then none of them are safe.

And this is a bushwhacking, a targeted pickoff attempt, which begins to add an eeriness to the shadow boxing already going on.

Actually if it was an M16 which uses 5.56 NATO rounds then NO a 45 or 357 is more devastating. It's a larger slug.

Edit : it seems it was an AK47.. 7.62... much bigger slug

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Shows what you know about guns. The muzzle velocity of a .45 is less than 850 fps. Link.

The speed of a .357 magnum with a typical 158 gr bullet is about 1100 fps. Link

The speed of an M193 bullet fired from an M16 is 3,165 fps. Link

There is something called ballistic energy that cannot be matched by any handgun due in part to a short barrel requiring a fast burning powder that doesn't have time to get the bullet up to speed. The rifle will have a slightly slower burning powder and will accelerate the bullet all the way down the barrel.

Haha, I just read his statement also. I thought about responding, but figured what what's the use with some folks. I, however, was curious if you would jump on and enlighten.

I suppose he would think a 5.7 x .28 a wimpy shot also . . ,-

[JRSoul]

Thailand's red shirt leader shot; police pick up 42 bullet casings

<snip>

A police source told The Straits Times 42 bullet casings were found at the scene, and Mr Kwanchai had been hit in the right arm and leg while he was sitting outside his office drinking coffee and reading the newspaper.

More here - straitstime

Hmmmmmmm, regular AK47 doesn't hold 42 rounds in it's clip........

National Magazine 50 Round Black Mag For AK-47/7.62X39MM ...

[englishoak]

Udon Thani-based Red Shirt leader shot

By Digital Content

UDON THANI, Jan 22 - The top Red Shirt leader in this northeastern province was shot this morning, but the injuries are not life threatening.

Hardline Red Shirt activist Kwanchai Praipana was reading a newspaper at the radio station of Khon Rak Udon group in the provincial seat when an unknown number of gunmen fired a hail of bullets at him.

He was wounded in his right arm and leg and was rushed to a nearby hospital.

His wife, Arporn Sarnkam, said Mr Kwanchai is not in critical condition as the bullets did not hit important organs.

Initial investigation found that an AK-47 assault rifle was used from about 100 metres from the station's fence.

Mr Kwanchai has played an active role in mobilising the supporters of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) in the Northeast.

The Khon Rak Udon group chairman has organised several movements and forums in the region to support the Feb 2 general election in opposition to the anti-government People’s Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC)'s demand for the resignation of the caretaker government and national reform before election. (MCOT online news)

-- TNA 2014-01-22

Great news hes not critical

As to the others here who wish someone harm c...... congratulations to you bottom feeders, your clearly just as low life as those you claim to be above, nice one.

[JRSoul]

42 rounds from 100 yds at a sitting duck target, with 2 hits.

"A rabble is no more an army than a pile of building materials is a house. " Socrates

[transam]

Thailand's red shirt leader shot; police pick up 42 bullet casings

<snip>

A police source told The Straits Times 42 bullet casings were found at the scene, and Mr Kwanchai had been hit in the right arm and leg while he was sitting outside his office drinking coffee and reading the newspaper.

More here - straitstime

Hmmmmmmm, regular AK47 doesn't hold 42 rounds in it's clip........

National Magazine 50 Round Black Mag For AK-47/7.62X39MM ...

As I said, regular. 30 rounds.

[Tywais]

42 rounds from 100 yds at a sitting duck target, with 2 hits.

"A rabble is no more an army than a pile of building materials is a house. " Socrates

An AK47 on full auto is not a very accurate weapon at those distances. Muzzle climb can be significant.

[Lite Beer]

CRIME
Core red leader survives gun attack

Gunmen sprayed bullets at a top redshirt hardliner on Thursday in his hometown province of Udon Thani.

Kwanchai Praipana was reading a newspaper at the radio station of Khon Rak Udon group in the provincial seat when an unknown number of gunmen fired a hail of bullets at him.

He was wounded in his right arm and leg and was rushed to a nearby hospital. His wife, Arporn Sarnkam, said Kwanchai is not in critical condition as the bullets did not hit important organs.

Initial investigation found that an AK-47 assault rifle was used from about 100 metres from the station’s fence.

Kwanchai has played an active role in mobilising the supporters of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) in the northeast.

The Khon Rak Udon group chairman has organised several movements and forums in the region to support the Feb 2 general election in opposition to the anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC)’s demand for the resignation of the caretaker government and national reform before election.

-- The Nation 2014-01-22

[AleG]

Whoever did this was unconcerned about road blocks.

Daylight assassinations in built-up areas almost always use motorbike-carried hitmen. Very easy to get away. Not easy to get away in a pick up truck unless you know you will be allowed to flee without hindrance.

Several of the attacks on anti-government protesters have been drive by shootings from cars.

[rogerdee123]

what is that famous saying ..... "sow the seeds of hate and reap the whirlwind"

[Tatsujin]

Whoever did this was unconcerned about road blocks.

Daylight assassinations in built-up areas almost always use motorbike-carried hitmen. Very easy to get away. Not easy to get away in a pick up truck unless you know you will be allowed to flee without hindrance.

Udon Thani has the same gridlocked traffic and Police presence as Bangkok does it?

[Dogmatix]

Chalerm's third hand at work again. I notice he keeps it behind his back at press conferences.

[Thailand]

Oh dear. So sad. Never mind.

What a sick comment. How can you wish that on anybody?

Same goes for those that "liked" your shameful post.

[Dogmatix]

42 rounds from 100 yds at a sitting duck target, with 2 hits.

"A rabble is no more an army than a pile of building materials is a house. " Socrates

An AK47 on full auto is not a very accurate weapon at those distances. Muzzle climb can be significant.

They must have used the spray and pray setting.

[fab4]

42 rounds from 100 yds at a sitting duck target, with 2 hits.

"A rabble is no more an army than a pile of building materials is a house. " Socrates

Sondhi.

[EyesWideOpen]

This is an odd story.... An assassination attempt from 100 meters away ?? Over the length of a

football field, with a weapon that is in essence a short range automatic, that of course will

climb on auto fire ,rendering it nearly useless for a long range kill. Am amazed he was hit twice,

and equally amazing both extremity parts, leg and arm. I think that there is a lot more to this

story than what appears on the surface....

[tonneke breda]

I guess the rice is starting to cook, and the farmers want their money…….

[NeverSure]

This is a first report and first reports always get modified.

Still, it's no secret an assault rifle is far more powerful and devastating than a handgun, so this is a serious development. If the elite groupings are involved going after one of their own, broadly speaking, then none of them are safe.

And this is a bushwhacking, a targeted pickoff attempt, which begins to add an eeriness to the shadow boxing already going on.

Actually if it was an M16 which uses 5.56 NATO rounds then NO a 45 or 357 is more devastating. It's a larger slug.

Edit : it seems it was an AK47.. 7.62... much bigger slug

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Shows what you know about guns. The muzzle velocity of a .45 is less than 850 fps. Link.

The speed of a .357 magnum with a typical 158 gr bullet is about 1100 fps. Link

The speed of an M193 bullet fired from an M16 is 3,165 fps. Link

There is something called ballistic energy that cannot be matched by any handgun.

Right I don't know much about guns. I'm British.

I do understand that the bullet goes faster and further .. but it's still a small slug.. hence the reason most special forces around the world use 7.62 or equal rather than the 5.56 .. they want stopping power. Just what I've read..

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Most soldiers in the field carry the 5.56 NATO (M16) because it's lighter weight as is the ammo and they can carry at least 200 rounds of ammo. It is also deadly. It tends to tumble when it hits animal, and even break and make multiple wound channels.

7.62 NATO guns and ammo are heavy, and you may find that one or two guys in a unit have that.

Even so, the 147 gr. 7.62x51 NATO round travels at 2,733 fps, a far cry from any hand gun with such a bullet. Link

Give it up. There's an old saying. "A hand gun is what you use to fight your way to your rifle."

Edited January 22, 2014 by NeverSure

[JRSoul]

42 rounds from 100 yds at a sitting duck target, with 2 hits.

"A rabble is no more an army than a pile of building materials is a house. " Socrates

An AK47 on full auto is not a very accurate weapon at those distances. Muzzle climb can be significant.

Only an untrained idiot would attempt a 42 round auto burst. 100m is the MINIMUM distance to train with this weapon, and a competent soldier should be able to hit a man-shaped target at 300m.

[fab4]

The curious thing is that the other paper is reporting the discovery by Police of 30 M16 casings near the fence, and Khaosod, 7.62mm casings.