Red Shirt rally called off early; leaders vow to gather again, regroup

[winstonc]

....2 big differences......

...1) ......the PDRC....fund themselves.....

....(What was the price tag on this red shirt fiasco.....and where did the money come from...???)....

.... 2)......the PDRC are shot....bombed....maimed.....killed.....

....(.....no such incidents directed towards the red shirts....Can we conclude where ALL of the violence originates from....???....)

What? WHAT??!! Just because you hate the Shins, as the TV posters love to snipe, you have a very selective memory, like the PDRC guard holding the voter by the larynx who wanted to vote, or the burned out bus with a corpse inside near Dong Meung Airport and pics of a PDRC man breaking out the windows with a flag pole? That's just the tip of the bloody iceberg.

And don't throw the lame blog challenge at me to prove it. Look it up yourself, sloth.

Both sides have lots of blood on their hands. The Shins and the shadow puppeteers pulling Suthep's strings are ruining this country because they refuse to share power and are closing in on succession.

If you want to punt on football, fine, but stay out of adult arguments.

well mr mature it got nasty when the reds went to bangkok or has your adult mind forgotten that little snippet of fact sloth oooow name calling that is adult hahahahahahahahaha

[Basil B]

Next time, I wonder what they can use to entice the masses???

Maybe Chalerm will publicly decapitate himself on stage as promised.

[Smokemachine]

If i heard correctly on one part during the rally speech that Thida is showing a picture of all the cars parking in the red rally and she said that it is enough just to see the total amount of vehicles park there. No need to see the actual amount of protesters. Just the quantity of cars will reflect the quantity of the protesters.

People around me heard this and give the same reply. W.T.F???

How will the amount of vehicles justify the quantity of the protesters?

All the vehicles can be driven there by each driver alone in the car.

So what she means is see those big long buses, wow so many of them. So we will count the capacity of every vehicle and considered that is the actual quantity of protesters?

hmm....

Edited April 7, 2014 by Smokemachine

[gadeloo]

Different days, different numbers. People come & go. As with Suthep's largest rallies, there were very few left the next morning. In fact his rally sites were largely deserted during the days.

As for numbers, the PRDC site is looking pretty <deleted> sick now. Minus the guards, they have bugger all. In reality, his big crowds were anti-amnesty not pro-PRDC.

do you mind put up an evidence for your claim? and please put them up side by side for comparison, the pictures of the two groups when they were marching.

[dru2]

'Your only as good as your last game'

Last mass rally of the good & incorruptible = 30 - 40,000

Red Shirt rally = 80 - 100,000 (2nd biggest in their history)

So I am really wondering why there is any yellow gloating going on.

What source do you have for the 80 - 100,000 ? The security forces and BP reporters estimate 35,000. Perhaps your source is Fryslan Boppe?

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Lies and deceit I see.

1 BP report posted early Saturday evening stated that the actual crowd as of late Saturday afternoon was about 80,000. Later in the same report a security advisor stated that the crowd was over 100,00

The next day on Sunday the same news source said numbers were down to 35,000. Obviously 45,000 - 65,000 were local and didn't sleep there.

They call that bias by selection & omission.

By the way,where are your figures from; ASTV, Blue Sky or one of the other TV yellow cheer-leading team perhaps?

If they get 80,000 now, wait till the PM that 16 million of them willfully elected gets thrown out by some bent judges!

You are a sad individual, clearly incapable of facing the reality that will soon come to pass. Neither rich, I am sure, nor much of a teacher. Sad, deluded, loser.

[tomhell]

So, not only did they deliberately trash the road and district, all of which has a religious designation, but, according to the OP, we now need to wait and see if the Red Communists left any IEDs or landmines on the road. What a pack of animals this group is.

I am shocked about the insults and primitive language in this forum.

You complain about primitive redshirts. Just look at yourself.

I think you are a very frustated and negative person.

[Morch]

....2 big differences......

...1) ......the PDRC....fund themselves.....

....(What was the price tag on this red shirt fiasco.....and where did the money come from...???)....

.... 2)......the PDRC are shot....bombed....maimed.....killed.....

....(.....no such incidents directed towards the red shirts....Can we conclude where ALL of the violence originates from....???....)

There is no way that the PDRC funds itself. There are no member fees, and the money handout in rallies don't even come close to covering the bills. Each side got backers with deep pockets.

The PDRC (and related groups) were involved in incidents were violence was directed at red shirts (real or suspected).

Granted, if you add up the incidents and numbers, the PDRC is on the receiving end.

[Morch]

....2 big differences......

...1) ......the PDRC....fund themselves.....

....(What was the price tag on this red shirt fiasco.....and where did the money come from...???)....

.... 2)......the PDRC are shot....bombed....maimed.....killed.....

....(.....no such incidents directed towards the red shirts....Can we conclude where ALL of the violence originates from....???....)

What? WHAT??!! Just because you hate the Shins, as the TV posters love to snipe, you have a very selective memory, like the PDRC guard holding the voter by the larynx who wanted to vote, or the burned out bus with a corpse inside near Dong Meung Airport and pics of a PDRC man breaking out the windows with a flag pole? That's just the tip of the bloody iceberg.

And don't throw the lame blog challenge at me to prove it. Look it up yourself, sloth.

Both sides have lots of blood on their hands. The Shins and the shadow puppeteers pulling Suthep's strings are ruining this country because they refuse to share power and are closing in on succession.

If you want to punt on football, fine, but stay out of adult arguments.

You're basically talking about two violent incidents (Ram Khamhaeng, and the disruption of the elections). How is that the "tip of the iceberg"? There were other incidents, but not wholesale violence directed at red shirts. The demonstrators, on the other hand, are being targeted pretty regularly.

[smedly]

I have only read the OP but here is my interpretation

The Red Thug Rally that was supposed to draw over 500,000 people only managed less than 10,000, most of those came from bribes to organisations and employers who needed their foreign workers back by Monday morning, the expected Thai support from the northern regions of the country was none existent which basically amounts to a no confidence vote for the red rabble in charge and their motives

The good people of Thailand have had enough of the lies and corruption and want to see change - and they want their money back all 700 billion baht that thaksin and his rabble have stolen

I am personally not convinced that Suthep has all the answers and would like to see someone like the boss at BOT take a leading roll in moving the country forward, he is respected and pretty much knows were it's at (smart man) and would be good for Thailand if he decided to take up the challenge to lead Thailand to a better place, I can understand why such a revered man would decline from lowering himself and getting himself involved in the dirty game of politics but I believe he could make a difference

I hope he might see an opportunity to make a difference and get involved - here's hoping

[rametindallas]

In amphur Theung, about 40 km east of Chiang Rai, my inlaws were offered 100 baht to attend a meeting at a school. At the meeting the monk beaters offered them 500 baht per day to sign up to go to Bangkok, apparently there were very few takers. I think the UDD have underestimated the anger of the farmers.

It's very difficult for Thais to hold anger long. They can hold a grudge forever. Anger requires proactive behavior and grudges only require opportunity. I would be upset if I was promised Bt. 500 a day to attend this latest rally and had dreams of earning a couple thou only to have the whole thing suddenly canceled. I would feel cheated; long trip for very little. Next time I'll want money up front. This UDD organization is becoming less organized. Is it Jatuporn's leadership or lack thereof?

[rametindallas]

'Your only as good as your last game'

Last mass rally of the good & incorruptible = 30 - 40,000

Red Shirt rally = 80 - 100,000 (2nd biggest in their history)

So I am really wondering why there is any yellow gloating going on.

5555555555555555555 How can anyone possibly take you seriously with such 'facts'?

[rametindallas]

Jatuporn looks like he just got an ass chewing from the dear leader on Skype. A look of gloom, despair, and agony on me,

deep, dark depression, excessive misery, if it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all.

I bet he did.

I can imagine it...

'I sent you 200 million baht for an extravaganza that you promised me.... you absolute t**t, I could have you killed for this you complete ar***le!!!! You told me you would have been much better than Thida, what a complete cock I must have been to listen to you.... At least Chalerm has an excuse that he is pissed most of the time... I am telling you Jats old boy... I am expecting change from this 200 million and lots of it. You better get my cash you fat useless bas***d!..... Now we have no other option but to revert back to terrorism tactics and hope we can sway popular opinion in our favour..... What a complete balls up this has been from start to finish..... don't ever come to Dubai without my 200 million, I am telling you now.... you are on your last chance.... and I want my 200 million back.... what a total wan**r you are!!!!'

But the elevated toilets were first class...

[rametindallas]

Next time, I wonder what they can use to entice the masses???

Maybe Chalerm will publicly decapitate himself on stage as promised.

Wow, I'm not a UDD supporter but I would wear a red shirt to see that.

[rametindallas]

So, not only did they deliberately trash the road and district, all of which has a religious designation, but, according to the OP, we now need to wait and see if the Red Communists left any IEDs or landmines on the road. What a pack of animals this group is.

I am shocked about the insults and primitive language in this forum.

You complain about primitive redshirts. Just look at yourself.

I think you are a very frustated and negative person.

Hi, Tom. Welcome to the forum. Don't mind zydeco. He's most likely a nice guy who gets the bile out of his system on the forum. It IS frustrating to care about Thailand and one side or the other is constantly trolling and making outrageous statements. It's easy to lose perspective when the arguments get heated, also. If you want to stay happy on the forum, take people lightly and try to focus more on giving your opinion on the OP or correcting what you think are inaccuracies posted by others. (I, myself, fail on occasion) It is not productive to condemn posters for their attitude. I'll read your posts and see how you react to the other posters. I look forward to your constructive comments.

[rametindallas]

....2 big differences......

...1) ......the PDRC....fund themselves.....

....(What was the price tag on this red shirt fiasco.....and where did the money come from...???)....

.... 2)......the PDRC are shot....bombed....maimed.....killed.....

....(.....no such incidents directed towards the red shirts....Can we conclude where ALL of the violence originates from....???....)

There is no way that the PDRC funds itself. There are no member fees, and the money handout in rallies don't even come close to covering the bills. Each side got backers with deep pockets.

The PDRC (and related groups) were involved in incidents were violence was directed at red shirts (real or suspected).

Granted, if you add up the incidents and numbers, the PDRC is on the receiving end.

I think several posters have named some of the corporate sponsors of the PDRC. Unlike the UDD, which is funded solely by Thaksin Shinawatra, the PDRC gets its funding from a broad spectrum of society and businesses.

[whybother]

'Your only as good as your last game'

Last mass rally of the good & incorruptible = 30 - 40,000

Red Shirt rally = 80 - 100,000 (2nd biggest in their history)

So I am really wondering why there is any yellow gloating going on.

What source do you have for the 80 - 100,000 ? The security forces and BP reporters estimate 35,000. Perhaps your source is Fryslan Boppe?

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Lies and deceit I see.

1 BP report posted early Saturday evening stated that the actual crowd as of late Saturday afternoon was about 80,000. Later in the same report a security advisor stated that the crowd was over 100,00

The next day on Sunday the same news source said numbers were down to 35,000. Obviously 45,000 - 65,000 were local and didn't sleep there.

They call that bias by selection & omission.

By the way,where are your figures from; ASTV, Blue Sky or one of the other TV yellow cheer-leading team perhaps?

If they get 80,000 now, wait till the PM that 16 million of them willfully elected gets thrown out by some bent judges!

So ... You're only as good as your last game. The red shirts last game was 35,000.

Sent from my phone...

[Malone]

'Your only as good as your last game'

Last mass rally of the good & incorruptible = 30 - 40,000

Red Shirt rally = 80 - 100,000 (2nd biggest in their history)

So I am really wondering why there is any yellow gloating going on.

5555555555555555555 How can anyone possibly take you seriously with such 'facts'?

No one does.

It's just filler to scroll past on the way to reading posts with a modicum of credibility.

[smedly]

Jatuporn looks like he just got an ass chewing from the dear leader on Skype. A look of gloom, despair, and agony on me,

deep, dark depression, excessive misery, if it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all.

I bet he did.

I can imagine it...

'I sent you 200 million baht for an extravaganza that you promised me.... you absolute t**t, I could have you killed for this you complete ar***le!!!! You told me you would have been much better than Thida, what a complete cock I must have been to listen to you.... At least Chalerm has an excuse that he is pissed most of the time... I am telling you Jats old boy... I am expecting change from this 200 million and lots of it. You better get my cash you fat useless bas***d!..... Now we have no other option but to revert back to terrorism tactics and hope we can sway popular opinion in our favour..... What a complete balls up this has been from start to finish..... don't ever come to Dubai without my 200 million, I am telling you now.... you are on your last chance.... and I want my 200 million back.... what a total wan**r you are!!!!'

But the elevated toilets were first class...

They were doing a collection for their next "movement" on the courts - anyone like me to explain in case you didn't get it

[smedly]

....2 big differences......

...1) ......the PDRC....fund themselves.....

....(What was the price tag on this red shirt fiasco.....and where did the money come from...???)....

.... 2)......the PDRC are shot....bombed....maimed.....killed.....

....(.....no such incidents directed towards the red shirts....Can we conclude where ALL of the violence originates from....???....)

There is no way that the PDRC funds itself. There are no member fees, and the money handout in rallies don't even come close to covering the bills. Each side got backers with deep pockets.

The PDRC (and related groups) were involved in incidents were violence was directed at red shirts (real or suspected).

Granted, if you add up the incidents and numbers, the PDRC is on the receiving end.

I think several posters have named some of the corporate sponsors of the PDRC. Unlike the UDD, which is funded solely by Thaksin Shinawatra, the PDRC gets its funding from a broad spectrum of society and businesses.

It's the farmers that fund the redshirts - they just don't realise it

[Morch]

....2 big differences......

...1) ......the PDRC....fund themselves.....

....(What was the price tag on this red shirt fiasco.....and where did the money come from...???)....

.... 2)......the PDRC are shot....bombed....maimed.....killed.....

....(.....no such incidents directed towards the red shirts....Can we conclude where ALL of the violence originates from....???....)

There is no way that the PDRC funds itself. There are no member fees, and the money handout in rallies don't even come close to covering the bills. Each side got backers with deep pockets.

The PDRC (and related groups) were involved in incidents were violence was directed at red shirts (real or suspected).

Granted, if you add up the incidents and numbers, the PDRC is on the receiving end.

I think several posters have named some of the corporate sponsors of the PDRC. Unlike the UDD, which is funded solely by Thaksin Shinawatra, the PDRC gets its funding from a broad spectrum of society and businesses.

I really don't recall any list of PDRC sponsors (other than the non-published one with the deceased Red Bull founder). There are rumors and "everybody knows" but don't think many big players are actually out there risking a possible backlash. Same holds true, btw, for the red shirts - I don't think (could be wrong) that there was ever any official plausible statement as to how they are funded and by whom. That is not to say that what "everybody knows" isn't true, of course.

Running prolonged mass demonstrations/protest costs a lot of money. Sure that the PDRC gets donations of all kinds, but keeping it all going for months on end takes investment of different caliber. If considering the money that matters - not sure that "broad spectrum of society and businesses" is a good description.

[Pops]

QUOTE:

Mr Jatuporn accepted a challenge by anti-government leader Suthep Thaugsuban to conduct a comparative count on the number of demonstrators for both factions.]

This challenge by Suthep towards Jatuporn is an easy one to perform.

It's done by "ELECTIONS" !!!

[Nickymaster]

'Your only as good as your last game'

Last mass rally of the good & incorruptible = 30 - 40,000

Red Shirt rally = 80 - 100,000 (2nd biggest in their history)

So I am really wondering why there is any yellow gloating going on.

What source do you have for the 80 - 100,000 ? The security forces and BP reporters estimate 35,000. Perhaps your source is Fryslan Boppe?

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Lies and deceit I see.

1 BP report posted early Saturday evening stated that the actual crowd as of late Saturday afternoon was about 80,000. Later in the same report a security advisor stated that the crowd was over 100,00

The next day on Sunday the same news source said numbers were down to 35,000. Obviously 45,000 - 65,000 were local and didn't sleep there.

They call that bias by selection & omission.

By the way,where are your figures from; ASTV, Blue Sky or one of the other TV yellow cheer-leading team perhaps?

If they get 80,000 now, wait till the PM that 16 million of them willfully elected gets thrown out by some bent judges!

How many people voted for PT on Feb 2?

Rt you know as well as I do that more and more people don't want to be associated with the Reds. They are labelled as a violent group of mostly people that don't have much else to do. That's why their last 5 rallies had to be cancelled early. Attendance in most cases was only 20% of what was planned. The plan with this rally was to have 500,000 people on stand-by just in case Jatuporn needed them to pay down-town Bangkok a visit.

Please tell your red buddies to clean up their mess next time.

[scorecard]

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....2 big differences......

...1) ......the PDRC....fund themselves.....

....(What was the price tag on this red shirt fiasco.....and where did the money come from...???)....

.... 2)......the PDRC are shot....bombed....maimed.....killed.....

....(.....no such incidents directed towards the red shirts....Can we conclude where ALL of the violence originates from....???....)

There is no way that the PDRC funds itself. There are no member fees, and the money handout in rallies don't even come close to covering the bills. Each side got backers with deep pockets.

The PDRC (and related groups) were involved in incidents were violence was directed at red shirts (real or suspected).

Granted, if you add up the incidents and numbers, the PDRC is on the receiving end.

I think several posters have named some of the corporate sponsors of the PDRC. Unlike the UDD, which is funded solely by Thaksin Shinawatra, the PDRC gets its funding from a broad spectrum of society and businesses.

But there have been some recent reports that the paymaster has recently ben pushing local pt parliamentarians to fund the travel / pay of the local red shirts to join rallies, but with little success to get the parliamentarians to contribute funds.

[rubl]

'Your only as good as your last game'

Last mass rally of the good & incorruptible = 30 - 40,000

Red Shirt rally = 80 - 100,000 (2nd biggest in their history)

So I am really wondering why there is any yellow gloating going on.

I can only hope you're not teaching mathematics

[rametindallas]

....2 big differences......

...1) ......the PDRC....fund themselves.....

....(What was the price tag on this red shirt fiasco.....and where did the money come from...???)....

.... 2)......the PDRC are shot....bombed....maimed.....killed.....

....(.....no such incidents directed towards the red shirts....Can we conclude where ALL of the violence originates from....???....)

There is no way that the PDRC funds itself. There are no member fees, and the money handout in rallies don't even come close to covering the bills. Each side got backers with deep pockets.

The PDRC (and related groups) were involved in incidents were violence was directed at red shirts (real or suspected).

Granted, if you add up the incidents and numbers, the PDRC is on the receiving end.

I think several posters have named some of the corporate sponsors of the PDRC. Unlike the UDD, which is funded solely by Thaksin Shinawatra, the PDRC gets its funding from a broad spectrum of society and businesses.

I really don't recall any list of PDRC sponsors (other than the non-published one with the deceased Red Bull founder). There are rumors and "everybody knows" but don't think many big players are actually out there risking a possible backlash. Same holds true, btw, for the red shirts - I don't think (could be wrong) that there was ever any official plausible statement as to how they are funded and by whom. That is not to say that what "everybody knows" isn't true, of course.

Running prolonged mass demonstrations/protest costs a lot of money. Sure that the PDRC gets donations of all kinds, but keeping it all going for months on end takes investment of different caliber. If considering the money that matters - not sure that "broad spectrum of society and businesses" is a good description.

I believe Fryslan boppe said that Singha was a sponsor as well as the other brewery and suggested government supporters drink beer. I'll bet the owners of the business that were burned during the 2010 Red Shirt protests are donors to the anti-government cause. If your company is not one of Thaksin's friends, then you are not getting government contracts and they would probably be supporters. I can see where a lot of businesses don't like the government.

[The Deerhunter]

A mines bigger than yours, school kids games.

No brainer that everybody was pissed off with rallies red white or blue and to call it just before Songkran even more mind numbingly dumb.

more spin dont twist it son red..was the disaster rally be honest for once..even try.

Ditto Ken, and further............

" No brainer that everybody was pissed off with rallies red white or blue and to call it just before Songkran even more mind numbingly dumb.???????????????????????? Yeah Right KEN!!!! THe reds havent had a major rally for months & couldn't get numbers. Abandoned , trashed the place (as usual) & went home early. Suthep has been rallyiong every day for over 4 months, calls a rally at that stage & it is the biggest one yet. And they clean up after themselves...

Please respect our intelligence & powers of observation

You may be trying to fool yourself, but I doubt you are succeding in that simple job. You sure as hell ain't fooling anyone else.

So plan B was to run home to Chiangmai & get Khaosod to publish a deviously edited version of Suthep's speech to try & excite the reds who might read it, believe it & get excited. You know what they say............ Like showing a red rag (Khaosod) to a bull. You will note that I resisted the opportunity to throw the word Buffalo in there. This was deliberate. That epithet is apparently inappropriate now. They are obviously learning to not believe all their Dear Leaders' Bull$%*t\ anymore. The tide may well have turned. Furthermore, they may get nasty to their own leaders if the groundswell realizes the magnitude of deceit they have been subject to. But, some will still say It would all be alright , if only Mr Thaksin could come home & sort it all out. Some of them will never "get it."

[Basil B]

'Your only as good as your last game'

Last mass rally of the good & incorruptible = 30 - 40,000

Red Shirt rally = 80 - 100,000 (2nd biggest in their history)

So I am really wondering why there is any yellow gloating going on.

What source do you have for the 80 - 100,000 ? The security forces and BP reporters estimate 35,000. Perhaps your source is Fryslan Boppe?

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Lies and deceit I see.

1 BP report posted early Saturday evening stated that the actual crowd as of late Saturday afternoon was about 80,000. Later in the same report a security advisor stated that the crowd was over 100,00

The next day on Sunday the same news source said numbers were down to 35,000. Obviously 45,000 - 65,000 were local and didn't sleep there.

They call that bias by selection & omission.

By the way,where are your figures from; ASTV, Blue Sky or one of the other TV yellow cheer-leading team perhaps?

If they get 80,000 now, wait till the PM that 16 million of them willfully elected gets thrown out by some bent judges!

How many people voted for PT on Feb 2?

Rt you know as well as I do that more and more people don't want to be associated with the Reds. They are labelled as a violent group of mostly people that don't have much else to do. That's why their last 5 rallies had to be cancelled early. Attendance in most cases was only 20% of what was planned. The plan with this rally was to have 500,000 people on stand-by just in case Jatuporn needed them to pay down-town Bangkok a visit.

Please tell your red buddies to clean up their mess next time.

Wot, no red spin doctor saying that photo was "Photo Shopped", yet?

[The Deerhunter]

'Your only as good as your last game'

Last mass rally of the good & incorruptible = 30 - 40,000

Red Shirt rally = 80 - 100,000 (2nd biggest in their history)

So I am really wondering why there is any yellow gloating going on.

What source do you have for the 80 - 100,000 ? The security forces and BP reporters estimate 35,000. Perhaps your source is Fryslan Boppe?

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Wahahahaha Fryslan Boppe! Good one. No he didn't have time to sent out fake quotes, his head is stuck in the red tv channel.....

Boppe is busy in his cubicle cutting & pasting his next "Coup Mongering" post.. They all have to keep their heads down & look busy. Thiida and Chattaporn are running round the troll shed with big bamboo sticks hitting anyone who asks how many people REALLY attended the rally.

[wolf5370]

To be honest it is completely irrelevant how many supporters are at any of the rallies. Unless one rally brought together 51% of the voting population, they are largely irrelevant in terms of how things will pan out going forward- short of all out civil unrest i presume.

Having 100,000 persons at a rally does not change a law- hence if someone is innocent or guilty, really it should make no difference if the law is followed correctly.

That sounds right , but of course it isn't when one thinks about it.

When was the last time any party ever got 51% (or more) of the whole voting population of Thailand voting for them?

We have to consider, (and ignoring other devices such as payment or coercion to attend) that people that attend these rallies of their own volition are much more likely to be the non-apathetic Thais that are likely to vote in an election - indeed they must really be considered the most involved in this regard. Therefore, great numbers would signify a sway in general public feeling (whereas very small numbers could mean nothing more than a niche following) - if we consider for every person with the gumption to turn up accounts for ten that feel likewise, but are less enthusiastic in their beliefs, then 350k could equate into a huge vote chunk (if it was a first past the post system - which it is not - so spread also is important). Of course I have pulled this figure from the top of my head -and it may be just as likely to be 20, 30, 100 as it is 2, 3 or 5 less enthusiastic believers (though I would suggest 10 is somewhat conservative).

Note: I have not made this as a sided argument - just a logical one that applies to any such turnout regardless of colour, orientation or topic.

[wolf5370]

By god thais are pigs....the rubbish left behind and thrown about....would it not be too much of an inconvenience for each person to take their rubbish to a bin....or carry it in, carry it out.....nope pigs.

Just look at any local market the next morning and thats always after a night of wind often blowing shIt from arshole to breakfast as well.

Mmmmm...the litter is just about as unattractive as your language - but not quite. Grow up!

Edit: Any English-reading Thais may have the same opinion of you.....but wouldn't be so crass as to voice it.

Yes, pigs are clean animals (when not forced to live in their own affluent) - monkeys would be more apt - they tear up and throw stuff everywhere.

It is the failure to "speak up" that allows for such mindless sloth to continue unabated (that and the complete lack of rule of law).