Gastro problems - what's in Meiji milk?

[Will2011]

What about Hokkaido milk? The one in small (i think 150ml) glass bottles which sell for 38baht/bottle in Tops supermarket? I thought it was fresh pasturised milk without any preservatives or processing and have been buying it for my son.

Check out my post, as I refer to it http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/735777-quality-of-the-milk-produced-in-thailand/?p=8134241

[beammeup]

I think Meigi, tastes great. I am sure it says fresh milk on it somewheres. I would stay away from soy also as it has estrogenic properties. Unless you want man boobs.

[beammeup]

Oh post 666 quick ... You should read wheat belly. I had similar symptoms as you. I stopped eating wheat (not easy) and the pains in my upper intestines went away mostly.

[callaway]

Many years ago I had similar problems. (I took milk to help the pain!)

I found that a couple of beers at night actually made me better, and for a day or two...

I was later diagnosed as having Helicobacter pylori and treated with a specific antibiotic.

This worked for a while, but I found having a garlic tablet between meals STOPPED ALL stomach problems.

I now always take them - except when I have had a beer or two...

Try it. You can get "Tastless and odourless" types

(The more you pay the less your breath will smell... and the more it works)

Use fresh garlic peel the cloves and put 3-4 in a little glass with water and put it in the microwave for a min you can eat it raw and drink the water it does not smell

Sharene, guess your stomach problems are fixed with your brew, now off the the Ear, Nose and Throat specialist to get your nasal passages fixed. You will be so pleased when you get the sense of smell back 5555

[metisdead]

A nonsense post has been removed.

[natway09]

The M milk at start of this thread is the only milk I drink here.

No problems for me. I know what milk should taste like as I am a Kiwi.

Taste changes in NZ a little bit (for the worse) when they winter feed swedes.

My suggestion, don't drink milk at all, see what happens

Good Luck

[connda]

... so as the topic as digressed a little

Can anyone who reads (Micro) Thai suggest what milk is the freshest - and the least messed with!

I used to enjoy "semi-skimed" milk, that lasted about 4 days from fresh purchase, and could be frozen for convenience.

?

Chokchai Farms imho.

[Slain]

I suffered the same things as OP did for many years (at least 30). I had many examinations in UK and Thailand,and throughout all this, I had no advice that helped at all.

One Christmas while in UK I over-indulged. In a lot of chocolates and toffee sweets. A few days later I really was in agony, so decided to trawl the internet until I found some clue.

I found, like OP, lactose intolerance is in a very high percentage of adults over 25 years. It is apparently an almost natural result of not needing natural milk (lactose) over a certain age.

Well I thought I would give it a try and to stop having products with lactose...To cut a long story short I am now OK.

The best thing is, there are many lactose free products increasingly available in UK where I now live. Milk, butter, cheese, yogurt. all available in my local Tescos.

But watch out for ordinary milk chocolate and toffee sweets. They are loaded with lactose apparently.

[soundman]

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[Will2011]

Posters trying to better understand the fresh vs powdered milk argument will find the following link invaluable:

http://www.animal.ufl.edu/elzo/Presentations/2010/14AAAP/Presentation-SKK-MAE_20100819-Final.pdf

Some comments from the link:

- in 2009 Thailand's dairy herd comprised 483,899 cattle, better than 95% are crossbred with high Holstein fraction:

- the herd produced 2,093,521 kgs of milk PER DAY.

I am unsure if these figures are reliable, but according to http://www.icar.org/Documents/Yearly%20inquiry/2008-2009/Table%201.pdf, in the same year France had a total of dairy cows of 3,793,600 , and yearly average milk production per cow of 6,105 kg. So, for the same human population and less cows (which I doubt it), France produced so much more milk per day. In addition, bear in mind that there is always trashy milk, as not the entire production is edible.

I should mention once again that MOST of the milk in Thailand comes from powdered ingredient whether 100% or 50/50 mix. Even though, Meiji might taste good, it's made of powdered milk. The only 100% Thai Fresh Milk I found is Butterfly Organic milk.

[attrayant]

Even though, Meiji might taste good, it's made of powdered milk.

What's your cite for this assertion?

[papa al]

Humans consuming dairy of bovine origin is wrought with digestive, autoimmune & other negative health & moral consequences.

Desist for improved health and karmic status.

[attrayant]

I hate to sound like a broken record but...

What's your cite for that assertion?

[Sandman77]

Drink all milk in Thailand

Usually only jok Jai farm

When it's out of stock in local tesco

Have do buy meji

Foremost the worst off all..

Meji chocolate milk ok

[Sheryl]

Humans consuming dairy of bovine origin is wrought with digestive, autoimmune & other negative health & moral consequences.

Desist for improved health and karmic status.

There are many cultures where milk and dairy are a staple and have been for many ages...India, northern/western Europe, Tibet/Bhutan to name a few. Hundreds of millions of people therein.

No indication of worse health as a result.

[papa al]

Humans consuming dairy of bovine origin is wrought with digestive, autoimmune & other negative health & moral consequences.

Desist for improved health and karmic status.

There are many cultures where milk and dairy are a staple and have been for many ages...India, northern/western Europe, Tibet/Bhutan to name a few. Hundreds of millions of people therein.

No indication of worse health as a result.

Negative consequences of bovine milk consumption are well documented and easily discoverable to anyone willing to search.

USA, UK, Holland & Scandinavia have the highest rates of dairy consumption and also the highest rates of osteoporosis.

Coincidence? Not an indication of worse health?

Milk in USA (& elsewhere) contains insecticides, herbicides, bovine growth hormone, antibiotics, white blood cells (pus), in addition to the casein, lactose, and enzymes...all of which risk human health.

Top endocrinologists/immunologists implicate dairy in DM-I, asthma, psoriasis, MS, autism spectrum, RA, lupus, fibromyalgia, and other auto-immune conditions.

12% of American 8-year-old girls are precociously pubescent... from BGH?

Adverse health effects are frequently subclinical in presentation, but real none-the-less.

Commercial dairy operations are inhumane.

I drank ~2 liters of milk/day for >50 years before I finally wised up.

[Maroon Watcher]

You need to travel outside the box...

Osteoporosis is Rife amongst the poor who cannot afford ANY form of Calcium.

(Including farmers)

I have travelled widely inside Europe/Scandnavia - raely do you see accute osteoporosis,

as you see in poor parts of ASIA (Don't believe the figures (No pun) in China

I have seen many many old women bent double...

Many vegitables contain minute traces of insecticide etc

I have been to commercial milking palours - there is a feeling of tranquility there!

Final point - don't eat/drink too much of anything - especially 2 ltrs of Milk!

[AnotherOneAmerican]

Negative consequences of bovine milk consumption are well documented and easily discoverable to anyone willing to search.

USA, UK, Holland & Scandinavia have the highest rates of dairy consumption and also the highest rates of osteoporosis.

Coincidence? Not an indication of worse health?

Milk in USA (& elsewhere) contains insecticides, herbicides, bovine growth hormone, antibiotics, white blood cells (pus), in addition to the casein, lactose, and enzymes...all of which risk human health.

Top endocrinologists/immunologists implicate dairy in DM-I, asthma, psoriasis, MS, autism spectrum, RA, lupus, fibromyalgia, and other auto-immune conditions.

12% of American 8-year-old girls are precociously pubescent... from BGH?

Adverse health effects are frequently subclinical in presentation, but real none-the-less.

Commercial dairy operations are inhumane.

I drank ~2 liters of milk/day for >50 years before I finally wised up.

1. Side effect of fluoridating the water supply.

2. Side effect of multiple vaccination at early age.

3. Hormones in everything from flesh to the water supply. (It gets in the water supply from the urine of women who take oral contraceptives, and the water purification plants can't get it out).

PS

If you drank 2l a day for 50 years, and survived, it can't have done you that much harm!

Edited July 29, 2014 by AnotherOneAmerican

[attrayant]

USA, UK, Holland & Scandinavia have the highest rates of dairy consumption and also the highest rates of osteoporosis. Coincidence?

Yes, that's exactly what it is. Until you can establish causation with a high degree of statistical certainty, all you have is a short list of two things that happen in the same place.

Not an indication of worse health?

Sure, osteoporosis is a deteriorating health condition. Nobody here has said that it's not, so I'm not sure why you though it was germane to the topic. What you've failed to do, however, is establish a causative link between osteoporosis and a large consumption of dairy.

Milk in USA (& elsewhere) contains insecticides, herbicides, bovine growth hormone, antibiotics, white blood cells (pus), in addition to the casein, lactose, and enzymes...all of which risk human health.

I've been unable to find a cite for this. The only way I could turn anything up was by plugging your scare words into a search engine and working backwards. The only thing that comes up are the junk science sites like Mercola, Rense and Natural News.

[Sheryl]

A very high proportion of inaccurate statements in recent postts and also getting far off topic.

The OP asked if there was any unusual additive in particular brand of milk. Answer appears to be not as far as any of us knows, and it has been suggested that this is just lactose intolerance..but if so it will not be limited to one brand of milk.

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