Stakes are huge if Yingluck goes to trial

[JoeThePoster]

Stakes are huge if Yingluck goes to trial

I'll have rice with mine and a glass of red please.

[Baerboxer]

Stakes are even huger (bigger?) if Yingluck does not go to trial! Most of the world had publically condemned the coup but in private condone it. If Yingluck is seen to have been given a free pass then their opinion will no doubt change.

Why should she come back?To stand trial in front of handpicked judges,handpicked by the people who kicked her out in the first place?Same happened with her brother.First they kicked him out of office,then the same people trialed him.In Thailand a government what wants to cut power of army or royalists and BKK elite will never succeed.I don't say she is not guilty,but why people like Suthep not stand trial for land scam,palm oil scam and and?

He wasn't the frickin PM..they were!!! Hands in the cookie jar whilst right in the spotlight. Epidemic graft on a devastating level. Suicides among victims of the rice scheme left with nothing, while her and her brother run around shamelessly. Out of some 15th century Chinese tyrant family.

You covered all the bases there on your trendy pro-red post: royalist, elite..you just forgot 'fascist' thought I'd throw that in to help you keep it hip! haha.

Good point,some people in Thailand still live in past with sakdina system,but now is 2557Bkk,not sukothai anymore.I can't cover everything,because if I do I will get kicked out from TV and end up in prison.You and others here can complain,defame and insult as much u want without worry to get punished.I'm not sure if my post is pro red,I would say it's more a logical post with a lot of truth inside

"A lot of truth inside" - is that the truth according to you?

Let's see. Thaksin had dissolved parliament, then resigned from the caretaker position, then changed his mind and took it back on his own, and only his own authority. His pals in the police wouldn't do anything so the army had to. Welcomed with flowers by the people. He broke the law, was tried, convicted and sentenced. He chose to flee and become a criminal fugitive rather than appeal. Maybe the other 15 criminal charges influenced his decision. He did promise to come back of course.

Yingluck has promised to come back - given her word of honor. That would be enough for anyone from an honorable family. But, as we've seen before a promise or vow from a Shinawatra is worthless. Lies and deceit are considered acceptable.

Yes, your post is pro Shin, and is economical with the truth at best. Thailand needs to see the Shin clan and gang members are not above and beyond the law. If she is as innocent as she claims she should come back and prove it. Her explanation of why she isn't negligent, ignored all the warnings, persecuted people who raised issues, and never attended one meeting of a committee she supposedly chaired on such an important and controversial issue will make interesting reading when it's reported.

I doubt she will come back. No one really wants the embarrassment of her trying to speak for herself whilst on trial.

[northernjohn]

First of all, editorial should have scrapped this article, as it could be deemed to be in contempt of the court, the message is to attack the judgment of the courts , you are applying pressure once again, like in the PTP days, whinging and whining about public figures being hard done by , Yingluck will get what's she deserves nothing more , nothing less, anything else is subject to the courts, not a trial by media

Also this will set a precedent. If she is not found guilty it will open the flood gates for chair people of all commissions to not have to be responsible for what the commission does.

[northernjohn]

Stakes are even huger (bigger?) if Yingluck does not go to trial! Most of the world had publically condemned the coup but in private condone it. If Yingluck is seen to have been given a free pass then their opinion will no doubt change.

Why should she come back?To stand trial in front of handpicked judges,handpicked by the people who kicked her out in the first place?Same happened with her brother.First they kicked him out of office,then the same people trialed him.In Thailand a government what wants to cut power of army or royalists and BKK elite will never succeed.I don't say she is not guilty,but why people like Suthep not stand trial for land scam,palm oil scam and and?

He wasn't the frickin PM..they were!!! Hands in the cookie jar whilst right in the spotlight. Epidemic graft on a devastating level. Suicides among victims of the rice scheme left with nothing, while her and her brother run around shamelessly. Out of some 15th century Chinese tyrant family.

You covered all the bases there on your trendy pro-red post: royalist, elite..you just forgot 'fascist' thought I'd throw that in to help you keep it hip! haha.

Good point,some people in Thailand still live in past with sakdina system,but now is 2557Bkk,not sukothai anymore.I can't cover everything,because if I do I will get kicked out from TV and end up in prison.You and others here can complain,defame and insult as much u want without worry to get punished.I'm not sure if my post is pro red,I would say it's more a logical post with a lot of truth inside

Not sure if the judges are hand picked by the NCPO.

But her brother was the owner of the party that tried him and convicted him. It was not a government seeking reconciliation that convicted him. It was his own party that found itself in such an obvious position of a crime being committed that they could not get out of it that even though it was the guy signing their paychecks they still had to prosecute him and no choice with the over whelming evidence convict him. He had not one shred of evidence in defense other wise he would have appealed the judgment.

[NoBrainer]

Personal gains do not have to be "Money". There are many other gains that politicians receive by spreading vast amounts of Government money around. It is sometimes referred to as Political Capital.

In layman's terms, just Vote Buying on a massive scale.

[Thai at Heart]

As chairperson of the National Rice Policy Committee, the then-premier clearly shares responsibility. Nevertheless, turning a blinded eye to corruption and being negligent in one's duties are not the same things.

Fundamentally flawed logic.

Her failing to be diligent is precisely what being negligent is.

Is it a criminal offence though? This is not a simple case that can be solved in a moment. They need to garner a huge amount of evidence and testimony to prove exactly what Yingluck was told .

I somehow doubt they have it, and the whole thing might descend into farce. If this becomes "we all know that she should have known" as evidence, it will lose all credibility

[Krataiboy]

They've got the woman out of their hair. Bringing her back and jailing her would not only inflame the red shirts, but also cost Thailand yet more brownie points with the international community. Right now Yingluck is in a serious bind, facing prosecution if she returns and the loss of her passport if she breaks her promise to the regime and doesn't. It's starting to look awfully like game, set and match to the generals.

[Mr Yim]

Like in her brother's case, the PDRC Military Junta need a conviction to justify her removal and the political "reforms".

[mikemac]

"As chairperson of the National Rice Policy Committee, the then-premier clearly shares responsibility. Nevertheless, turning a blinded eye to corruption and being negligent in one's duties are not the same things. If Yingluck was somehow directly involved in the corruption at any stage of the process, how exactly did she personally benefit? We wait for the Anti-corruption Commission to explain."

Exactly! Was she derelict in her duties, especially with respect to the rice-scheme, almost certainly, but that is not a criminal offense, it is only grounds to remove her from office. Did she personally gain money in her bank from this, I seriously doubt it. Why would she take the chance when she has enough money? She is simply guilty of getting into a game she knew nothing about, of being naive and not making sure the rice-scheme was being managed properly and probably also guilty of listening to bad advice and her brother.

..........................."Why would she take the chance when she has enough money?".............................

One day you may find the time to do some research on the Shin regime and you won't ask silly questions like that again.

Just Google - "greed, power crazy and money hungry" and their family history will be there somewhere.

[UKCanuk]

Actually the courts need to act in accordance with the rule of law, and not be swayed by media or public opinion like this.

I seem to recall a PT minister last year proudly proclaiming that Thailand was not ruled by the rule of law, but by political science. This, I think, is where the military junta really need to be focusing their efforts.

[belg]

apparently, 800 billion baht loss in the rice scam is not enough ... empty warehouses or filled with low grade moldy trash

[AGareth2]

I would like to see the facts before conviction

sadly unlikely

[TPI]

Stakes are even huger (bigger?) if Yingluck does not go to trial! Most of the world had publically condemned the coup but in private condone it. If Yingluck is seen to have been given a free pass then their opinion will no doubt change.

Why should she come back?

Because she promised she would.

Is she an untrustworthy liar?

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[TPI]

"Prosecutors must show fairness as well as undeniable evidence if we're to avoid further anguish in the streets"

Actually the courts need to act in accordance with the rule of law, and not be swayed by media or public opinion like this.

Also, in the first post it read: Prosecutors claim there was corruption at every step of the process and say the programme cost the country more than Bt870 billion.

My question is, are these the same prosecutors who accept a bribe, any chance they get, to let rich people off the hook? The same ones who accepted the money from the Red Bull heir, to make his case go away? The same ones who live accept payments every day of their lives?

I am not saying prosecuting the Yingbat would be a bad thing. But, if you are going to clean up Thailand, and start bringing about justice, the best place to start would be to arrest, and convict the filthy prosecutors and judges, who are directly responsible for making this one of the most corrupt nations on earth.

Damm! It's not often I read something here that touches all of my buttons, but today, you did just that! You're right, the Thai Justice system is what is basically wrong with Thailand. Two years or more to bring a civil action, five years to bring in a not guilty verdict for murder, on a medical doctor because he is a "hi-so", regardless of the evidence?

How a Judge can tell victims of a senseless crime to quickly come to an agreement for compensation or he will, so as to less'n the guilt felt by the rich young girl who, after all, can't be held responsible because it was a relatives car?

Patronage in Thailand is "you look after my children and I'll look after yours" and to hades everyone else!

[Old Man River]

As chairperson of the National Rice Policy Committee, the then-premier clearly shares responsibility. Nevertheless, turning a blinded eye to corruption and being negligent in one's duties are not the same things.

Fundamentally flawed logic.

Her failing to be diligent is precisely what being negligent is.

Is it a criminal offence though? This is not a simple case that can be solved in a moment. They need to garner a huge amount of evidence and testimony to prove exactly what Yingluck was told .

I somehow doubt they have it, and the whole thing might descend into farce. If this becomes "we all know that she should have known" as evidence, it will lose all credibility

In my opinion, she had to know about the significant losses, given the report by the Deputy Finance Permanent Secretary (Supa) for the first two harvests, showing much higher losses than they originally planned for. This report was leaked to the press.

However, is knowing about the losses malfeasance? It may be that the court also needs to prove that she knew about corruption, was in a position to stop it, but didn't because of possible benefits being gained (and not, necessarily by her). Supa's report also covered the potential for corruption taking place at many levels.

As PM, Chairperson of the Rice Committee, following this report what did she do to look into this situation? If nothing, why not?

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[ratcatcher]

As chairperson of the National Rice Policy Committee, the then-premier clearly shares responsibility. Nevertheless, turning a blinded eye to corruption and being negligent in one's duties are not the same things.

Fundamentally flawed logic.

Her failing to be diligent is precisely what being negligent is.

Is it a criminal offence though? This is not a simple case that can be solved in a moment. They need to garner a huge amount of evidence and testimony to prove exactly what Yingluck was told .

I somehow doubt they have it, and the whole thing might descend into farce. If this becomes "we all know that she should have known" as evidence, it will lose all credibility

In my opinion, she had to know about the significant losses, given the report by the Deputy Finance Permanent Secretary (Supa) for the first two harvests, showing much higher losses than they originally planned for. This report was leaked to the press.

However, is knowing about the losses malfeasance? It may be that the court also needs to prove that she knew about corruption, was in a position to stop it, but didn't because of possible benefits being gained (and not, necessarily by her). Supa's report also covered the potential for corruption taking place at many levels.

As PM, Chairperson of the Rice Committee, following this report what did she do to look into this situation? If nothing, why not?

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"It may be that the court also needs to prove that she knew about corruption,....."

Yingluck is a Shinawatra first and foremost. Saying the court needs to prove she knew about corruption is akin to proving Jack The Ripper knew a thing or two about sharp knives.

[Thai at Heart]

As chairperson of the National Rice Policy Committee, the then-premier clearly shares responsibility. Nevertheless, turning a blinded eye to corruption and being negligent in one's duties are not the same things.

Fundamentally flawed logic.

Her failing to be diligent is precisely what being negligent is.

Is it a criminal offence though? This is not a simple case that can be solved in a moment. They need to garner a huge amount of evidence and testimony to prove exactly what Yingluck was told .

I somehow doubt they have it, and the whole thing might descend into farce. If this becomes "we all know that she should have known" as evidence, it will lose all credibility

In my opinion, she had to know about the significant losses, given the report by the Deputy Finance Permanent Secretary (Supa) for the first two harvests, showing much higher losses than they originally planned for. This report was leaked to the press.

However, is knowing about the losses malfeasance? It may be that the court also needs to prove that she knew about corruption, was in a position to stop it, but didn't because of possible benefits being gained (and not, necessarily by her). Supa's report also covered the potential for corruption taking place at many levels.

As PM, Chairperson of the Rice Committee, following this report what did she do to look into this situation? If nothing, why not?

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She will say that admitting to the rice market that the rice was getting damaged would cause more problems than being quiet.

[Kan Win]

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National Anti-corruption Commission urging her prosecution on charges of corruption and dereliction of duty

Questions needed to be asked first.

1. Why did the NACC refuse other witnesses to testify? 3 if think, but correct me if I am wrong.

2. Once the Rice Farmers knew about this pledge, did they also Cheat by growing cheaper low grade rice without fertilisers ect., and/or saying it was 5% broken rice or better?

3. Why would anyone place Rice Pledged rice into Warehouses with old and rotten rice in the first place?

4. Are the Warehouse Owners not responsible for the storage and well keeping of such New Rice (as in the pledge) and not mixing it up with old and rotten rice?

5. We keep on reading reports, near on daily of missing, rotten, spoilt rice, as the real checks and balances are carried out, not good news by the way, is it?

So the bottom line is ............. who did it and when?

Win

[Old Man River]

As chairperson of the National Rice Policy Committee, the then-premier clearly shares responsibility. Nevertheless, turning a blinded eye to corruption and being negligent in one's duties are not the same things.

Fundamentally flawed logic.

Her failing to be diligent is precisely what being negligent is.

Is it a criminal offence though? This is not a simple case that can be solved in a moment. They need to garner a huge amount of evidence and testimony to prove exactly what Yingluck was told .

I somehow doubt they have it, and the whole thing might descend into farce. If this becomes "we all know that she should have known" as evidence, it will lose all credibility

In my opinion, she had to know about the significant losses, given the report by the Deputy Finance Permanent Secretary (Supa) for the first two harvests, showing much higher losses than they originally planned for. This report was leaked to the press.

However, is knowing about the losses malfeasance? It may be that the court also needs to prove that she knew about corruption, was in a position to stop it, but didn't because of possible benefits being gained (and not, necessarily by her). Supa's report also covered the potential for corruption taking place at many levels.

As PM, Chairperson of the Rice Committee, following this report what did she do to look into this situation? If nothing, why not?

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She will say that admitting to the rice market that the rice was getting damaged would cause more problems than being quiet.

She can say anything, however, not even looking into it, other than reshuffling the whistleblower out of overseeing the accounting of the scheme points in a different direction. in addition, that report was early on. In 2013 she even said no rice was missing.

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[Local Drunk]

So how long is Yingluck going to stay out of town? Perhaps until the courts rule on the charges?

[Old Man River]

So how long is Yingluck going to stay out of town? Perhaps until the courts rule on the charges?

That is my view.

I do disagree about the stakes being huge, though. Whether she is shown to be guilty or not, I don't think Thaksin's agenda will change, nor do I think his local support will change their positions either.

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[ratcatcher]

So how long is Yingluck going to stay out of town? Perhaps until the courts rule on the charges?

Birthday boy's big party is on Saturday 26th, so perhaps she will need a week of Champs Elysees shopping and socializing after the fun.

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[Cuchulainn]

So how long is Yingluck going to stay out of town? Perhaps until the courts rule on the charges?

Birthday boy's big party is on Saturday 26th, so perhaps she will need a week of Champs Elysees shopping and socializing after the fun.

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My dear fellow; she plans to visit the UK and the States as well. So, it's Harrods, Bond St, Madison Avenue and Fifth Avenue.

The "Champion of the Poor" really is getting around while worrying about her rice farmers!

[Local Drunk]

So how long is Yingluck going to stay out of town? Perhaps until the courts rule on the charges?

Birthday boy's big party is on Saturday 26th, so perhaps she will need a week of Champs Elysees shopping and socializing after the fun.

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But don't you remember that she can't eat western food and that she had to survive on mama noodles on all of her many important visits to other countries.

[trainman34014]

So how long is Yingluck going to stay out of town? Perhaps until the courts rule on the charges?

Birthday boy's big party is on Saturday 26th, so perhaps she will need a week of Champs Elysees shopping and socializing after the fun.

.

But don't you remember that she can't eat western food and that she had to survive on mama noodles on all of her many important visits to other countries.

Huh; she can afford a top rated Thai Chef to follow her around if she wants and eat as much Thai food as required. However; she spent a fair amount of time in the US (apparently learning English ) so i'm sure she is familiar with the delights of Mc Donalds menu of death, Chances are that after a few months in exile she will have put on a few pounds.

[connda]

If I was a betting man, I take the odds that Yingluck would go to Dubai (and stay) before ever going to trial.

[NeilSA1]

If I was a betting man, I take the odds that Yingluck would go to Dubai (and stay) before ever going to trial.

It really would be best for all concerned if she did not come back to Thailand.

Thailand can then get on with the job of reconciliation, without more angst.

[NeilSA1]

Does anyone know - Did Yingluck receive additional remuneration whilst holding the position of Chairperson of the Rice Committee or was this part of her duties as PM?

[Local Drunk]

So how long is Yingluck going to stay out of town? Perhaps until the courts rule on the charges?

Birthday boy's big party is on Saturday 26th, so perhaps she will need a week of Champs Elysees shopping and socializing after the fun.

.

But don't you remember that she can't eat western food and that she had to survive on mama noodles on all of her many important visits to other countries.

Huh; she can afford a top rated Thai Chef to follow her around if she wants and eat as much Thai food as required. However; she spent a fair amount of time in the US (apparently learning English ) so i'm sure she is familiar with the delights of Mc Donalds menu of death, Chances are that after a few months in exile she will have put on a few pounds.

I was referring to her PR people who not so long ago who said that the poor PM has to bring food from Thailand because she couldn't find anything to eat on her travels.