Anger mounts as Gaza toll rises

[Ulysses G.]

This thread is revealing.  The two sides tell a lot about their causes.  The pro-Israel supporters maintain a fairly calm and reasoned tone, while the pro-Hamas posters are rabid, frothing, and fill their posts with obscenities and shouts.  Now, let me say that Israel often irritates me and a lot of Israelis I meet are sullen, suspicious, and obnoxious.  A lot of Arabs I meet are friendlier and even more hospitable.  BUT the Israelis are in the right, here. Stop the rockets and stop the war.  That was possible until the tunnels were used for terror attacks. This thread, filled with such outright anti-Semitic venom and hatred on the part of the pro-Hamas side, really does verge on being a hate sheet at times.  I don't think I could stand to be around people so obsessively hate-filled.  Like I said, a revealing thread about the two sides.

Well said and you did not even bother with pointing out the constant dishonest remarks and historical "mistakes" - emanating from mostly one side - that Morch keeps patiently correcting.  

[Johpa]

Distortion is now the addition to propaganda & lies I see.

 

What the Nazis did was appalling and so is what the Israelis are doing in deliberately targeting civilians.
 

 

Distortion includes using the Nazis as a comparison, an extension of Arab propaganda.  All rather ironic in that the Arab leadership allied with the Nazis during WWII with one consequence being the establishment of the State of Israel for backing the losing side.  But currently I find the political leadership on both sides appaling, both Hamas and Israel.

[philw]

I am really surprised about some commentators here. So you guys are defending the deliberate bombing of schools and markets by Israel with the fact that some mostly inoffensive cheap rockets are being send of in direction of Israel. How can you do this. You are really low, sorry for that but you need to recheck your position!

 

Gotta double like this straightforward post.

 

JPJ is right.

 

[kblaze]

 

People seem to forget the reason why Hamas starting firing rockets into Israel (I'm not supporting Hamas but the innocents killed). Netanyahu used the kidnapping of three Jewish boys in Gaza to have a soft invasion to "look" for the boys which he claimed were kidnapped by Hamas. The poor boys were already dead which he knew as the murder was recorded via mobile phone. He then used a soft invasion to arrest hundreds of Palestinians, kill 11 Palestinians, and bulldoze the homes of those accused even though they hadn't been tried yet. Hamas, predictably started firing rockets after 2 years of relative peace which gave Bibi Netanyahu exactly what he wanted, and excuse for a full invasion to not wipe out Hamas. The Israeli government not only wants to rid Gaza of Hamas (which is a terrorist organization but duly elected as the government), but will do anything in it's power to either force the Palestinians out of the territories that have been pushed into or exterminate them. They make talk about a two state solution to keep the Americans happy but will never settle for a Palestinian state.

I didn't know they ever stopped firing rockets.
Yep.....I'm American.....retired USAF......I even went as far to offically offer my skills as a Pilot to Israel....hope they call me.......I'm ready to "GET SOME"

 

 

You'd fight under the flag of another country?

[nicothai]

But why a Israel state should exist? The Palestinian state doesn't have any right to exist?
I mean before 1948 there was no Israel state... For 2000 years... So who give them the right? God?
And god allow them to kick out people who live there and kill them.
Nice God indeed

I know many Jewish people... All very nice and kind

what happening is a nonsense


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[Thorgal]

 

People seem to forget the reason why Hamas starting firing rockets into Israel (I'm not supporting Hamas but the innocents killed). Netanyahu used the kidnapping of three Jewish boys in Gaza to have a soft invasion to "look" for the boys which he claimed were kidnapped by Hamas. The poor boys were already dead which he knew as the murder was recorded via mobile phone. He then used a soft invasion to arrest hundreds of Palestinians, kill 11 Palestinians, and bulldoze the homes of those accused even though they hadn't been tried yet. Hamas, predictably started firing rockets after 2 years of relative peace which gave Bibi Netanyahu exactly what he wanted, and excuse for a full invasion to not wipe out Hamas. The Israeli government not only wants to rid Gaza of Hamas (which is a terrorist organization but duly elected as the government), but will do anything in it's power to either force the Palestinians out of the territories that have been pushed into or exterminate them. They make talk about a two state solution to keep the Americans happy but will never settle for a Palestinian state.

I didn't know they ever stopped firing rockets.
Yep.....I'm American.....retired USAF......I even went as far to offically offer my skills as a Pilot to Israel....hope they call me.......I'm ready to "GET SOME"
 

 
You'd fight under the flag of another country?

He will change his mind. I knew that IAF is using US aicraft (F-16+Apache) but I didn't knew that US pilots would engage...

Turns out that striking UN buildings, schools, hospitals, markets and ambulances with Israeli F-16's will be more and more difficult.

A F-16 has apperently been shot down by a portable SAM (surface to air missile).

http://en.shafaqna.com/topnews/item/30430-israeli-f16-hit-by-surface-to-air-missile-over-gaza-hamas-claims.html

Again, not really good for Israeli public opinion if you're twisted into the fight between David and Goliath...




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[chuckd]

 

 

 

 

You were wrong when you said two of the UN school caches had been taken care of by UN weapons experts.

 

 

 

Here ya go for the second one

 

http://www.i24news.tv/app.php/en/news/israel/diplomacy-defense/38147-140725-liveblog-gaza-deaths-above-800-medics

 

 

Nope.  Nothing there.  Try again.

[MJP]

This thread is revealing.  The two sides tell a lot about their causes.  The pro-Israel supporters maintain a fairly calm and reasoned tone, while the pro-Hamas posters are rabid, frothing, and fill their posts with obscenities and shouts.  Now, let me say that Israel often irritates me and a lot of Israelis I meet are sullen, suspicious, and obnoxious.  A lot of Arabs I meet are friendlier and even more hospitable.  BUT the Israelis are in the right, here. Stop the rockets and stop the war.  That was possible until the tunnels were used for terror attacks. This thread, filled with such outright anti-Semitic venom and hatred on the part of the pro-Hamas side, really does verge on being a hate sheet at times.  I don't think I could stand to be around people so obsessively hate-filled.  Like I said, a revealing thread about the two sides.  

 

I'm not sure posters are "pro-Hamas" or anti-Semitic, they're simply appalled at the death toll and suffering of people, particularly the children of Gaza. Although Hamas are equally to blame for this ongoing horror, if it's continuation by Israel is to destroy Hamas tunnels may I suggest excavators and foam concrete as a method rather than shelling, air strikes and snipers?

[Jingthing]

 

This thread is revealing.  The two sides tell a lot about their causes.  The pro-Israel supporters maintain a fairly calm and reasoned tone, while the pro-Hamas posters are rabid, frothing, and fill their posts with obscenities and shouts.  Now, let me say that Israel often irritates me and a lot of Israelis I meet are sullen, suspicious, and obnoxious.  A lot of Arabs I meet are friendlier and even more hospitable.  BUT the Israelis are in the right, here. Stop the rockets and stop the war.  That was possible until the tunnels were used for terror attacks. This thread, filled with such outright anti-Semitic venom and hatred on the part of the pro-Hamas side, really does verge on being a hate sheet at times.  I don't think I could stand to be around people so obsessively hate-filled.  Like I said, a revealing thread about the two sides.  

 

I'm not sure posters are "pro-Hamas" or anti-Semitic, they're simply appalled at the death toll and suffering of people, particularly the children of Gaza. Although Hamas are equally to blame for this ongoing horror, if it's continuation by Israel is to destroy Hamas tunnels may I suggest excavators and foam concrete as a method rather than shelling, air strikes and snipers?

 

Oh please.

Some posters have been explicitly antisemitic and pro Hamas. 

And of course those two things are closely linked considering the ideology of Hamas.

Not all. 

Some. 

It's easy to make armchair technical suggestions to Israel without actually being in charge of the problems they face. 

It's a given that the civilian casualties are horrible. It hardly even needs to be stated. But there is a difference between acknowledging that tragedy and labeling something murder and war crimes when you don't have information about intentionality. 

[MJP]

 

 

This thread is revealing.  The two sides tell a lot about their causes.  The pro-Israel supporters maintain a fairly calm and reasoned tone, while the pro-Hamas posters are rabid, frothing, and fill their posts with obscenities and shouts.  Now, let me say that Israel often irritates me and a lot of Israelis I meet are sullen, suspicious, and obnoxious.  A lot of Arabs I meet are friendlier and even more hospitable.  BUT the Israelis are in the right, here. Stop the rockets and stop the war.  That was possible until the tunnels were used for terror attacks. This thread, filled with such outright anti-Semitic venom and hatred on the part of the pro-Hamas side, really does verge on being a hate sheet at times.  I don't think I could stand to be around people so obsessively hate-filled.  Like I said, a revealing thread about the two sides.  

 

I'm not sure posters are "pro-Hamas" or anti-Semitic, they're simply appalled at the death toll and suffering of people, particularly the children of Gaza. Although Hamas are equally to blame for this ongoing horror, if it's continuation by Israel is to destroy Hamas tunnels may I suggest excavators and foam concrete as a method rather than shelling, air strikes and snipers?

 

Oh please.

Some posters have been explicitly antisemitic and pro Hamas. 

Not all. 

Some. 

It's easy to make armchair technical suggestions to Israel without actually being in charge of the problems they face. 

It's a given that the civilian casualties are horrible. It hardly even needs to be stated. But there is a difference between labeling something murder and war crimes when you don't have information about intentionality. 

 

 

The suffering and immediate needs of the children of Gaza needs be stated and broadcast. A ceasefire is needed right now this minute and international aid agencies need safe and secure access.

 

It doesn't matter what went before, it's what happens now that matters.
 

[Loptr]

But why a Israel state should exist? The Palestinian state doesn't have any right to exist?
I mean before 1948 there was no Israel state... For 2000 years... So who give them the right? God?
And god allow them to kick out people who live there and kill them.
Nice God indeed

I know many Jewish people... All very nice and kind

what happening is a nonsense


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No, not god...

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmond_James_de_Rothschild

[Jingthing]

 

 

 

This thread is revealing.  The two sides tell a lot about their causes.  The pro-Israel supporters maintain a fairly calm and reasoned tone, while the pro-Hamas posters are rabid, frothing, and fill their posts with obscenities and shouts.  Now, let me say that Israel often irritates me and a lot of Israelis I meet are sullen, suspicious, and obnoxious.  A lot of Arabs I meet are friendlier and even more hospitable.  BUT the Israelis are in the right, here. Stop the rockets and stop the war.  That was possible until the tunnels were used for terror attacks. This thread, filled with such outright anti-Semitic venom and hatred on the part of the pro-Hamas side, really does verge on being a hate sheet at times.  I don't think I could stand to be around people so obsessively hate-filled.  Like I said, a revealing thread about the two sides.  

 

I'm not sure posters are "pro-Hamas" or anti-Semitic, they're simply appalled at the death toll and suffering of people, particularly the children of Gaza. Although Hamas are equally to blame for this ongoing horror, if it's continuation by Israel is to destroy Hamas tunnels may I suggest excavators and foam concrete as a method rather than shelling, air strikes and snipers?

 

Oh please.

Some posters have been explicitly antisemitic and pro Hamas. 

Not all. 

Some. 

It's easy to make armchair technical suggestions to Israel without actually being in charge of the problems they face. 

It's a given that the civilian casualties are horrible. It hardly even needs to be stated. But there is a difference between labeling something murder and war crimes when you don't have information about intentionality. 

 

 

The suffering and immediate needs of the children of Gaza needs be stated and broadcast. A ceasefire is needed right now this minute and international aid agencies need safe and secure access.

 

It doesn't matter what went before, it's what happens now that matters.
 

 

Not sure what you're talking about. A temporary ceasefire or an end to the hostilities. A temporary ceasefire will be easier to negotiate. The latter harder as both sides have conditions not agreeable to each other. 

[MJP]

^^ It's clear what I'm talking about. Stop the fighting now, regardless of what you want to call it and get Save the Children et.al in there.

[Jingthing]

^^ It's clear what I'm talking about. Stop the fighting now, regardless of what you want to call it and get Save the Children et.al in there.

I can't read your mind. Sounds like you are talking about a temporary humanitarian ceasefire. I also hope that would be possible. As far as an end to this current war, again, both sides currently have positions they don't seem ready to agree on. 

[Johpa]

 

I am really surprised about some commentators here. So you guys are defending the deliberate bombing of schools and markets by Israel with the fact that some mostly inoffensive cheap rockets are being send of in direction of Israel. How can you do this. You are really low, sorry for that but you need to recheck your position!

 

Gotta double like this straightforward post.

 

JPJ is right.

 

 

 

JPJ seems to think that cheap rockets aimed at one's home could be characterized as "inoffensive".  I strongly beg to differ and I would think that if those same inoffensive rockets were aimed at his own house, or the home of any other poster here where their own children were residing, then he would approve of sending counter-ordnance into the location of where those inoffensive rockets were being launched and damn the consequences or any collateral damage.  Perhaps Jean Pierre was listening to the Gazan journalist interviewed on CNN this morning who claimed that the rockers fired by Hamas were merely fireworks.  The nuts and bolts of this fallacious argument is that there is some sort of magic number of Israeli casualties that Israel must suffer before they respond to these rocket attacks.  The bottom line is that the casualties will only stop when the missiles being fired from Gaza into Israel stop. The problem is that neither side has the political leadership to move forward from that point.

[Jingthing]

Yes the rockets are real.

Israel, the right and the left, is unified and rightly so!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3JCOm346Ss

[Jay Sata]

I am astounded there can be so many blinkered people posting diatribe on here while the world looks on at the carnage and bloodshed in Gaza.

 

Even the USA, the nation that funds Israel has said what is happening is wrong.

 

The US has said the shelling of a UN shelter in Gaza is "totally unacceptable and totally indefensible".

In its strongest criticism yet of Israel's offensive in the Palestinian territory, the US - Israel's closest ally - urged Israel to do more to protect civilian life.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28594155

Israel and Netanyahu are the biggest losers despite 1400 Palestinian deaths.

 

The world is now focusing on the total inequality of the Israeli attitude to the displaced Palestinians who have been confined to Gaza for the last 40 plus years. The citizens of the West Bank living in a land where they are displaced by migrants who take their land and confine them to being second class citizens in a home land they have lived in for centuries.

 

This from a British newspaper today

 

 

The death toll in Gaza has topped 1,400, with more than 40 people dying after another day of intense Israeli bombardment from air, sea and land.

The toll is now greater than in both previous rounds of fighting betweenIsrael and Hamas. Israeli military losses are also significantly higher.

Palestinian officials in Gaza said on Thursday that 8,200 people had been wounded in the four-week operation. Up to 80% of the Palestinian casualties were civilians, according to local non-government organisations and the UN.

Three civilians on the Israeli side and 56 soldiers have been killed so far.

In Gaza City, Abu Ahmed, 65, said the situation was the worst he had ever known. "I have experienced everything – the 1967 war, two intifada [uprisings]. By chance we are alive. But we don't know if we die now, today or tomorrow," the shopkeeper said.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/31/gaza-faces-precipice-death-toll-tops-1400

 

For decent non right wing Zionists the reaction is appalling with antisemitism on the rise

 

 

Incidents of antisemitism in Britain rose by more than a third in the first six months of this year, indicating rising hate crime against Jews prior to the current conflict in Gaza and Israel, according to new figures.

The Community Security Trust (CST), which monitors attacks on the Jewish community, said it had recorded 304 incidents in the first half of 2014, including the desecration of a Manchester cemetery, physical assaults and a poster displaying an antisemitic image of a hook-nosed man pasted on a Hertfordshire street.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/antisemitism-is-on-the-rise--and-has-been-since-before-current-gaza-conflict-9641133.html

The UK prime minister David Cameron has said Israel's conflict with Hamas is making it "impossible" to agree a "genuine peace deal",

 

Which leaves Israel facing integration or apartheid and we all know where the latter got South africa.

[lostsoul49]

guess who supplies the bombs to Israel? and guess who gives Israel all the support they need to be a brutal terrorist state? who is the ultimate terrorist in all this?

 

The USA.
 

[Jay Sata]

 

guess who supplies the bombs to Israel? and guess who gives Israel all the support they need to be a brutal terrorist state? who is the ultimate terrorist in all this?

 

The USA.
 

 

I forgot to mention that. While we try to criticize Russia over Ukraine the jolly old USA is making and selling the weapons that have killed over 1400 people in Gaza

.

And it is not just the USA.

 

 

Data published in a new report from the House of Commons in London states the value of all British military exports to Israel currently being processed comes to £7.9 billion ($12.1 billion).

This data was supplied by Vince Cable, Britain’s business secretary, who oversees the weapons trade.

[Morch]

Israel better not bring up the Holocaust again as they are now as bad as the nazis, Its a shame they will never learn yet its time to forget any special treatment .Israel you reap what you sow.

 

Congratulations!

You were the first to actually bring up the Holocaust yourself.

Nice trick there.
 

[Morch]

 

 

'Terror tunnels', 'Rockets' 'wipe off map'

Perfectly good reasons for putting a stop to Hamas terrorism. Thanks for pointing them out.

 

No country on earth would allow a terrorist group to fire thousands of rockets at them, tunnel under their border and call for their destruction while targeting civilians on a regular basis. The civilian death toll is mostly on Hamas. 

 

 

If Israel had wanted to stop the rockets they had already achieved that as I have repeatedly pointed out to you with a mere 2 falling harmlessly in the first two weeks in June. So the Gaza invasion was not about stopping the rockets.

 

The other misinformation you keep repeating is Hamas calling for Israel's destruction.

 

Hamas have offered an indefinite truce and recognition of Israel in its 1967 borders

 

http://www.haaretz.com/news/haniyeh-hamas-willing-to-accept-palestinian-state-with-1967-borders-1.256915

 

PA and all Arab countries in 2002 and 2007 have offered to recognize Israel in secure permanent borders.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative

 

If Israel were serious about peace they would take up these offers.

 

 

And of course, the conflict started at June....there was nothing prior to this.

Israel carried out operations against Hamas in he West Bank in conjunction with the kidnapping.

Hamas launched rockets from Gaza in response, Israel retaliated with air strikes, Hamas increased rocket fire.

The ground move came after that.

Choosing an arbitrary point to serve as a starting line does not make things true.

 

The one repeatedly spreading misinformation is you.

Hamas did not offer to recognize Israel. Ever. The 2008 link does not even mention that.

All it talks about are accepting 1967 lines as a Palestinian state and a truce. A truce is not  the same thing

as peace, and in this context it basically means delaying operations until conditions are more favorable:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudna

Accepting a Palestinian state does not denote recognizing Israel.

 

The Arab League offer was rejected by Hamas on both times it came up. On the occasion of the original announcemnt

Hamas carried out a mass terrorist attack against Israelis. Of Israel's neighbors, Lebanon was not (and is not) in a position

to sign and uphold any binding agreement due to its own political troubles. The same is true for Syria (and Iraq) today. The

PA was for it, but seeing that it had little control over Hamas (pretty much the same today) it does not seem as if it could

deliver on any major deal signed.

The Arab League may have been a missed opportunity, but absolutely nothing to do with Hamas.

[MJP]

YAY!!!!

 

New Gaza humanitarian truce 'agreed by Israel and Hamas'

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/28596609

[Morch]

People seem to forget the reason why Hamas starting firing rockets into Israel (I'm not supporting Hamas but the innocents killed). Netanyahu used the kidnapping of three Jewish boys in Gaza to have a soft invasion to "look" for the boys which he claimed were kidnapped by Hamas. The poor boys were already dead which he knew as the murder was recorded via mobile phone. He then used a soft invasion to arrest hundreds of Palestinians, kill 11 Palestinians, and bulldoze the homes of those accused even though they hadn't been tried yet. Hamas, predictably started firing rockets after 2 years of relative peace which gave Bibi Netanyahu exactly what he wanted, and excuse for a full invasion to not wipe out Hamas. The Israeli government not only wants to rid Gaza of Hamas (which is a terrorist organization but duly elected as the government), but will do anything in it's power to either force the Palestinians out of the territories that have been pushed into or exterminate them. They make talk about a two state solution to keep the Americans happy but will never settle for a Palestinian state.

 

Hamas was spoiling for a fight as well for some time.

There were quite a few issues to contend with - an economic crisis brought about by Egypt's new regime getting serious on

curtailing smuggling operations (which cut down Hamas funds and increase public pressure in the Gaza Strip), issues with

the Palestinian reconciliation agreement (PA refusing to transfer salaries to Hamas personnel, same effect as above), the

agreement with the PA making Hamas look soft (as opposed to other organizations in Gaza Strip, loss of support and of

prestige) to note some of main one. There were also personal power plays pertaining to the day after the agreement and

the proposed upcoming Palestinian elections.

 

Things are rarely ever easily reduced to single incidents, convenient as these may be. Conflicts are usually two faced (at the

very least....).

 

Post 1948 and 1967 there was no mass push by Israel of Palestinians out of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. If anything

population figures swelled, rather than went down. Same goes for the "exterminate" hyperbole silliness.
 

[Morch]

 

 

Hamas have offered an indefinite truce and recognition of Israel in its 1967 borders

You need to work on your reading skills if you are going to link to articles that directly contradict your dishonest talking points. This guy claimed to be willing to accept a Palestinian state that followed the 1967 borders. He did not agree to "recognize Israel" in return or even stop attacking them - other than temporarily.

 

 

"The Hamas leader in Gaza, Ismail Haniyeh, said on Saturday his government was willing to accept a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders."

 

Well, if the Palestinian state is within the 1967 borders, it ain't inside Israel's borders is it? Ergo, mutually recognized border. Get it?

 

 

No. You do not get it.

It simply does not say anything about recognizing Israel.

What lies beyond the Hamas Palestinian state is more land to be freed at a later date when condition allow.
 

[Morch]

 

 

People seem to forget the reason why Hamas starting firing rockets into Israel 

 

 

What a load of nonsense. Hamas has never stopped firing rockets into Israel.. 

 

 

 

 

I think you will find that your 2008 and 2012 rockets peaks coincided with previous Israeli invasions of Gaza..they are a response to Israeli aggression causing 1000s of Gazan casualties, again mainly innocent civilians.

 

If Hamas has never stopped firing rockets in retaliation, Israel has never stopped killing Palestinians.

 

 

.

 

 

 

 

Not even remotely true as far as 2012 goes: http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Gaza-groups-pound-Israel-with-over-100-rockets

The 2008 a bit more contested, but again, not as clear cut as you present.

 

 

 

 

 

[Morch]

 

 

People seem to forget the reason why Hamas starting firing rockets into Israel 

 

 

What a load of nonsense. Hamas has never stopped firing rockets into Israel.. 

 

 

LoL @ UG using images sourced directly from the IDF Spokeperson's twitter!

 

Why don't you show the number of deaths from these rocket attacks and then tell me if 5000 dead and injured innocent civilians (oh wait i forgot you ascribe to the OBL school of thought that there are no innocents) is a proportional response?

 

Here I'll post it for you;

2007 - 2807 rocket attacks, 2 killed.

2008 - 3716 rocket attacks, 8 killed.

2009 - 858 rocket attacks, 0 killed.

2010 - 365 rocket attacks, 1 killed.

Iron Dome is installed

2011 - 680 rocket attacks, 2 killed.

2012 - 2273 rocket attacks, 6 killed.

2013 - 44 rocket attacks (what?), 0 killed

2014 - 705 rocket attacks, 1 killed

 

 

I do not think that the claim said anything about high casualty figures, but about rockets launched.

Nice deflection all the same.

 

Other than saying Israel's current response is not proportional - what would you consider to be a proportional response

from a military point of view?

 

While at it, why does it have to be in response rather than preemptive and why proportional?

 

[Morch]

 

 

Well, if the Palestinian state is within the 1967 borders, it ain't inside Israel's borders is it? Ergo, mutually recognized border. Get it?

Only in your imagination.  All that would mean is more land for Hamas to continue to launch attacks on Israel - who he is not even pretending to recognize.

 

 

 

So let me get this straight:  you are saying that Hamas offers peace and recognition of Israel but hypothetically they don’t really mean it. Amazing illogic? I just hope there are wiser heads somewhere within Israeli politics than your response to a peace offer?  

 

Well, there’s only one way to find out....give peace a chance.

 

The present round of violence is certainly not going to achieve peace, rather a new generation of bitter freedom fighters.

 

 

Hamas never offered peace. Just a truce.

Hamas never talked about recognition of Israel.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudna
 

[Morch]

 

Hang on mo, what dose it mean Palestinians  state within 1967 borders?... shouldn't that read willing to accept an Israeli state within 1967 borders?

isn't the whole thing about pushing Israel back in to 1967 borders? that statement is not what

you think,

 

The whole world via UN Resolution 242 has called for Israel to give up land illegally occupied and colonized beyond 1967 borders, not just Hamas and PA.

 

All Arab countries (and Iran even) and PA and Hamas have agreed to recognize Israel in secure and permanent 1967 borders if Israel will do the same for Palestinians. It's as simple as that. 

 

 

Hamas did nothing of the sort.

As far as I know neither did Iran, a link would be welcome.

Syria initially rejected 242, as did the PLO....
 

[Morch]

One thing that puzzles me is why are these ardent posters who  state unequivocally that Israel is the innocent victim and much maligned victim of mass rocket attacks are it seems all over here in Thailand and not out on the front line defending the state they so proudly love and so stoutly defend as opposed to mortal combat via their keyboards

 

Actions or perhaps I should write in this case ''inaction's do indeed speak louder than words, mind you talk like a Palestinians life adults, men and women and children are it seems disposable cheap throw away items to the Zionists.  

 

 

 

Guess for the same reason you weren't at the forefront of anti-government demonstrations in Thailand.

It is not a requirement to be directly involved in order to post on this forum, and of course, the same goes for posters

expressing support for either side.

That said, it would seem that there are actually a few members currently in the relevant area in question.

 

A better question would be why people who's sole knowledge about the realities of the conflict come from reading stuff

on the internet and other media seem to imagine they got it all figured out? If some foreigner who's only experience with

Thailand was through internet and media was to comment on Thailand's politics - most expats here would find it amusing,

at best.

[Morch]

ISRAEL IS TRYING TO COLONISE THE REST OF PALESTINE,  BEFORE WW2 IT WAS A CALM NATION,  IT WAS ISRAEL THAT , WITH THE HELP OF ENGLAND  AND THE USA THAT PUSHED INTO AND FORCIBLY TOOK PROPERTY,  AND TODAY THEY ARE TRYING TO PUSH OUT THE  PALESTINE PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR OWN COUNTRY!  

 

How are the Palestinians pushed out of the Gaza Strip? Israel withdrew unilaterally some years back.

How are the Palestinians pushed out of the West Bank? Did population figures decrease and its being kept a secret?

 

Also, your capslock key got stuck.