Coming to the end of the visa run - local language schools may suffer most

[bertty]

 

There is certainly more to Thailand than the red light districts; however, since I live in Bangkok it isn't possible to spend time in many areas of Sukumvit or Silom without having the sex trade thrust at you with touts and street walkers and go-go bars so prevalent.  

 

 

 

 

In my 87 years of living here, I have never seen the sex trade and believe it is people like you who perpetuate the lies of its existence to only give a black eye to the great and generous Kingdom.

 

 

 

 

I live just off Sukhumvit 38 other than the odd massage shop, I have no problem not seeing the naughty girl's or boy's if I do so wish.

[myluckythai]

what is the reason, that Thailand doesn't want these people. is er there a dangeroua criminal aspect? maybe the terrorists? Is there a justified reason to make and apply these rules?

[AYJAYDEE]

what is the reason, that Thailand doesn't want these people. is er there a dangeroua criminal aspect? maybe the terrorists? Is there a justified reason to make and apply these rules?

many of them work illegally, many cannot afford health insurance or medical care, some engage in petty crime and they dont see an upside to having them in the country.

[Equalizer]

 

It all stinks to high heaven. 25 million visitor a year and they say 70,000 people paid an overstay fine last year. Take away the 80% of these who had a few days or a week or two and the real figure is closer to 10.000. Work out the percentage out of the 25 million and you are left with a percentage of 0.00001% in other words virtually zero. Young people who come here and want to stay are just passing through an exploratory stage in their life, an experience. Most disappear after a while and go home to settle down. I have been here a while now. It is virtually impossible for most people to make a living here. Most just blow all their savings and go home broke as hard as they try to make a coin. Even people who had a few quid end up skint through one reason or another. This country is very good at getting people to spend their money here but on the flip side they are not appreciative in the slightest.  

Try overstaying in Singapore.

OB


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I never said the green fees where getting more expensive on Thailand's golf courses.

 

[bertty]

 

what is the reason, that Thailand doesn't want these people. is er there a dangeroua criminal aspect? maybe the terrorists? Is there a justified reason to make and apply these rules?

many of them work illegally, many cannot afford health insurance or medical care, some engage in petty crime and they dont see an upside to having them in the country.

 

 

So what if they don't have medical care or insurance. What does that matter. If they don't have cover they die, unlike in the UK here the tax payer doesnt pay to keep people alive.

As for insurance, if you have an accident its your fault every time.

Petty crime is just for Thai's then ?

If people spend money in a country then they are doing the country some good. There are people working illegally all over the world. And as in many other countries I bet ( oops illegal ) that you go to 50% of the wealthy Thai's you will  find illegal workers employed. Everyone is at it. Don't try to blame it on just foreigners.

[AYJAYDEE]

 

 

what is the reason, that Thailand doesn't want these people. is er there a dangeroua criminal aspect? maybe the terrorists? Is there a justified reason to make and apply these rules?

many of them work illegally, many cannot afford health insurance or medical care, some engage in petty crime and they dont see an upside to having them in the country.

 

 

So what if they don't have medical care or insurance. What does that matter. If they don't have cover they die, unlike in the UK here the tax payer doesnt pay to keep people alive.

As for insurance, if you have an accident its your fault every time.

Petty crime is just for Thai's then ?

If people spend money in a country then they are doing the country some good. There are people working illegally all over the world. And as in many other countries I bet ( oops illegal ) that you go to 50% of the wealthy Thai's you will  find illegal workers employed. Everyone is at it. Don't try to blame it on just foreigners.

 

if they get sick or have an accident they end up in thai hospitals and cost thailand money. and almost every country in the world does not want people working illegally if at all possible and will take steps to stop it if they can. thailand has decided they can. 

[Varangkul]

To really understand the purpose of the recent enforcement of the immigration laws you really have to understand the military mind. It is all based upon discipline - where, if there is a ruling it must be obeyed to the letter, there are no grey scales. This makes life easy for the military personnel. They know exactly where they stand - and the rules are accepted, as it makes life easier for everyone.

Without this control each and every individual would be able to interpret the rules differently, really believing their interpretation to be correct. thus ending up with the situation that existed before the Junta took over. There always have been a set of rules covering immigration, it was just that each and every individual interpreted them differently, without much guidance from the authorities that issued them.

The Junta - the military - is saying "back to square one, everyone, let's start again!" Because they (the military) work within the rules, control is that much easier to apply.

It is going to be hard for a lot of "visitors" to Thailand. If the Junta can be trusted - and I hope it can - then once the ship is back on an even keel, things can get back to normal and "rules and regulations" can be revisited and adjusted to meet the requirements. That is what "reforming" is all about, isn't it?

There has been a great deal of comment, complaint and suggestion made, both here on TV and in many other forums. I understand that many of these forums are being monitored quite closely, so perhaps many of your suggestions for a better Thailand are being taken note of and may well be fodder for the "Reform" committees!

Just my little two-pen'th!

[bertty]

 

 

 

what is the reason, that Thailand doesn't want these people. is er there a dangeroua criminal aspect? maybe the terrorists? Is there a justified reason to make and apply these rules?

many of them work illegally, many cannot afford health insurance or medical care, some engage in petty crime and they dont see an upside to having them in the country.

 

 

So what if they don't have medical care or insurance. What does that matter. If they don't have cover they die, unlike in the UK here the tax payer doesnt pay to keep people alive.

As for insurance, if you have an accident its your fault every time.

Petty crime is just for Thai's then ?

If people spend money in a country then they are doing the country some good. There are people working illegally all over the world. And as in many other countries I bet ( oops illegal ) that you go to 50% of the wealthy Thai's you will  find illegal workers employed. Everyone is at it. Don't try to blame it on just foreigners.

 

if they get sick or have an accident they end up in thai hospitals and cost thailand money. and almost every country in the world does not want people working illegally if at all possible and will take steps to stop it if they can. thailand has decided they can. 

 

 

Do you really believe Thailand wants to stop all of these things from happening ?

If so why are they allowing people so much time to get out of the country, why is it OK to just pay 20,000 baht at the airport if you are an overstayer yet if stopped in the street you can go to jail.

There are so many inconsistancies  in all instances. There is probably not a country in the world that wants rid of all illegal workers. When the workers earn so little they don't pay tax anyway, even less so.

Edited August 4, 2014 by bertty

[bangkoklasse]

 

 

 

I feel very sorry for unmarried guys under 50 who have purchased condos here. 
 
Until last year you could always get a O visa by showing your chanote to a consulate (though they never advertised it) starting last year they say they can't do that anymore.
 
It's a disgrace that the law allows a person to purchase property in a country but then potentially won't allow him to stay there.

I've said it before many times. Never buy any property here unless you can afford to walk away and lose it.
 
Can rent a very long time for the cost of a condo or house and move if the neighbours get too noisy.

walk away from it?

sell it and be thankful for the value appreciation and rent free living

 

 

Not to take the thread in another tangent...but the market for previously owned condos is very weak.  I have two friends who have had their condos for sale in different areas in Bangkok but both near the BTS.  They aren't asking for more than the purchase price but have not been able to sell for 1 year

 

Because they have a too high price. There are thousends of empty condos and apartments in Bangkok. And still people belive they can sell for a crazy high price

[AYJAYDEE]

Do you really believe Thailand wants to stop all of these things from happening ?

If so why are they allowing people so much time to get out of the country, why is it OK to just pay 20,000 baht at the airport if you are an overstayer yet if stopped in the street you can go to jail.

There are so many inconsistancies  in all instances. There is probably not a country in the world that wants rid of all illegal workers. When the workers earn so little they don't pay tax anyway, even less so.

 

of course they want to stop it. and they are allowing legally granted exemptions to expire because that is the legal way to do things. and they let you pay 20,000 because they know you are leaving. if they catch you anywhere else they hold you until they can be sure you will leave.. face it, thailand has decided to do what other countries have decided is wise . They dont want less affluent tourists deciding to stay in the country as many of them will become a drain on the country or begin to work illegally to pay for their stay. and if some dont fit this mould? too bad, its easier to clear the whole lot of them than pick and choose.

[abrahamzvi]

We should all accept that here in Thailand there are laws and regulations like in most other countries, in ALL western countries. These laws and regulations have to be abided by and if these are abused the way they have been here for many years , we shouldn't complain when the authorities decide to clamp down. One should try to get a job in the EU (if one is not an EU citizen) and unless that person fullfills all the extremely rigid requirements, they are just NOT let in. Most employers won't even dream of employing people illegally, although this would be much cheaper (refugees and others without a permission to follow employment, (so called "tolerated people"), as if they are caught they face very stiff fines and other penalties. My appeal, as someone who has lived here for many years (legally) is for all of us to abide by the laws and regulations, thereby make it easier for all of us, authorities and foreigners!

[bertty]

Ok so lets all abide by the rules of the land. So for instance lets say a kid in a fast car ,hmmm how about a Ferrari, run over a policeman and kills him.

What will be the outcome.

You see it's just about money and that's all it will every be about. If you can afford to pay to stay then theres no problem, right or wrong visa.

 

[AYJAYDEE]

Ok so lets all abide by the rules of the land. So for instance lets say a kid in a fast car ,hmmm how about a Ferrari, run over a policeman and kills him.

What will be the outcome.

You see it's just about money and that's all it will every be about. If you can afford to pay to stay then theres no problem, right or wrong visa.

 

if you have that kind of money you can buy an elite card. simple

[jspill]

if they get sick or have an accident they end up in thai hospitals and cost thailand money. and almost every country in the world does not want people working illegally if at all possible and will take steps to stop it if they can. thailand has decided they can. 

 

Thai hospitals won't admit you until you can pay 20k+ upfront on a credit card.

[AYJAYDEE]

 

if they get sick or have an accident they end up in thai hospitals and cost thailand money. and almost every country in the world does not want people working illegally if at all possible and will take steps to stop it if they can. thailand has decided they can. 

 

Thai hospitals won't admit you until you can pay 20k+ upfront on a credit card.

 

so you claim they are going to let you die on the doorstep? do you have evidence of this happening?

[atyclb]

TOEFL,IELTS & TOEIC. These are not necessarily what most Thai students need.

TEOIC is no longer acceptible in UK as reason for a visa, as it was exposed as totally corrupted. These qualifications are useful so long as they are scrupulously monitored. They are also above the level of many Thai students. I worked for one company who decided that their management should all have a TOEIC rating....the lengths they went to to circumvent this test was astounding...
It was nothing to do with the Teacher, these people had bought or simply lied about their EL ability for years.
This is all a result of Thailand's endemic corruption. Cleaning up one aspect is just not the way to tackle these problems.
If farang owned schools are permitted that can employ as many teachers as they need without having to employ huge numbers of unnecessary Thai staff, then progress can be made. They are in short tackling a symptom, not the cause

 

 

I would take an educated guess and surmise the same people that brainstormed all the "inactive salaried posts" for government workers came up with the idea of 4 O2 consuming Thai employees for each foreigner.

[jspill]

One should try to get a job in the EU (if one is not an EU citizen) and unless that person fullfills all the extremely rigid requirements, they are just NOT let in. Most employers won't even dream of employing people illegally, although this would be much cheaper (refugees and others without a permission to follow employment, (so called "tolerated people"), as if they are caught they face very stiff fines and other penalties.

 

Yet these Thai language school agencies face no penalties for employing teachers off the books to avoid taxes, underpaying them, not arranging 3000 baht work permits, etc. Comparisons between first world countries and Thailand quickly fall apart.

[jspill]

 

so you claim they are going to let you die on the doorstep? do you have evidence of this happening?

 

 

Common knowledge I thought. It's happened to friends of mine and many posts on TV discuss this. Read a recent post quoting 40k, can't recall the thread. Google it or start a thread? 

[AYJAYDEE]

 

 

so you claim they are going to let you die on the doorstep? do you have evidence of this happening?

 

 

Common knowledge I thought. It's happened to friends of mine and many posts on TV discuss this. Read a recent post quoting 40k, can't recall the thread. Google it or start a thread? 

 

Friends of yours have actually died on the doorstep of a hospital? i would be anxious to see the evidence of this actually happening.

[jspill]

They weren't admitted without paying up front. Therefore they didn't cost Thailand money.

[AYJAYDEE]

They weren't admitted without paying up front. Therefore they didn't cost Thailand money.

then we are talking about two entirely different things. I was discussing guys that cant pay up front and the hospitals are bound to admit them to save their lives. and that costs money.

[Pattaya46]

Thai hospitals won't admit you until you can pay 20k+ upfront on a credit card.

Not true, or more precisely certainly not true for emergencies with death risk. Edited August 4, 2014 by Pattaya46

[AYJAYDEE]

 

Thai hospitals won't admit you until you can pay 20k+ upfront on a credit card.

Note true, or more precisely certainly not true for emergencies with death risk.

 

exactly!

[jspill]

Not true, or more precisely certainly not true for emergencies with death risk.

 

A minority of cases then. I was originally replying to AK's post about farang 'getting sick' being a drain on the thai economy. Get real.

[AYJAYDEE]

 

Not true, or more precisely certainly not true for emergencies with death risk.

 

A minority of cases then. I was originally replying to AK's post about farang 'getting sick' being a drain on the thai economy. Get real.

 

my post was about getting sick enough or hurt enough that they could die.

[transam]

 

Not true, or more precisely certainly not true for emergencies with death risk.

 

A minority of cases then. I was originally replying to AK's post about farang 'getting sick' being a drain on the thai economy. Get real.

 

 

There are a lot of non UK nationals being a drain on the UK economy, whether health care or benefits that UK folk fund. .
 

[belg]

mistah general... maybe give the people already here on legal visa's, retirement, marriage, etc... the chance to do some volunteer work for free ???

 

how hard can that be ?

 

how many people abstain from doing something for free to help others, because they risc to be deported for their kindness ???

[AYJAYDEE]

mistah general... maybe give the people already here on legal visa's, retirement, marriage, etc... the chance to do some volunteer work for free ???

 

how hard can that be ?

 

how many people abstain from doing something for free to help others, because they risc to be deported for their kindness ???

he just stepped out. can you wait?

[Absolute Zero]

@ absolute zero, sorry Thailand did not work out for you and happy you found your paradise!

I just don't understand why you would create a new account today and start taking the piss?

Move on dude.

Thailand did work out for me as much as i wanted it too. Its all about choices and I choose to live elsewhere thats more suitable to my lifestyle. Thailand isn't one of them. Whole world out there. Places that haven't been infiltrated and  commercialised. However , you seem to always find someone selling coke from base camp Everest to Timbuktu.  

[chrisinth]

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Ok so lets all abide by the rules of the land. So for instance lets say a kid in a fast car ,hmmm how about a Ferrari, run over a policeman and kills him.

What will be the outcome.

You see it's just about money and that's all it will every be about. If you can afford to pay to stay then theres no problem, right or wrong visa.

 

 

What would happen if the driver was a rich foreigner?