Asian suspects raped English tourist

[dinger]

I read the same story, someone ran to Big C to get a new testing kit. What the heck are they doing and my GOD !!!! did they have to make public that they found semen in her anal cavity. The poor family !!

Aside from anything else, not publicising this information helps to.make absolutely sure you catch the right perp.

I really do wish they would teach these idiots to shut up.

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[mercman24]

in answer to BTUNES what HARD evidence was that then pray tell, there was and is no evidence at all relating to the brit suspects, and as to the "so called blood" on the trousers it was MUD, this is something i think we have known all along really, it was "one or two of them" i would say 2, as if one was being attacked the other surely would have escaped or made an effort to run away, and it is just too bizarre for a western person to kill 2 with a hoe for christs sake

[wellred]

Whilst this is a welcomed breakthrough do they really need to announce every little development in so much detail? A little discretion would go a long way.

[dinger]

This type of reporting belongs in the Sun or Enquirer

[metisdead]

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[ramrod711]

But... police said a thai would never commit such crime?

But....of course, no member of the RTP ever said that, and neither did Prayuth. Only posters with a bias against the current government and Thais in general said that.

[kmj]

I read the same story, someone ran to Big C to get a new testing kit. What the heck are they doing and my GOD !!!! did they have to make public that they found semen in her anal cavity. The poor family !!

Aside from anything else, not publicising this information helps to.make absolutely sure you catch the right perp.

I really do wish they would teach these idiots to shut up.

And that goes for all news agencies and websites that carry it just for a few more clicks, things are getting low...

[Poppy Dave]

I was a copper for 35 + years and I'm totally gobsmacked at the way the Thai Police have/are handling this. They appear to go public with every bit of information they acquire, without holding anything in reserve (having an Ace up their sleeve)to counter bogus alibis, red-herrings etc.

Do the general public NEED to know EVERY intimate detail ?

Serious question: Do the RTP go through ANY type of training or are they just given a uniform, a gun and told to go out there and be seen?

If I had performed my duties the way the RTP do, I would be ashamed to admit that I was once a Police Officer.

I AM DISGUSTED WITH, NEEDLESS TO SAY, THE INCIDENT BUT ALSO THE PROFESSIONALISM OF BOTH THE POLICE AND THE MEDIA.

[Crazy chef 1]

showed they belonged to Mongoloid people or Asians

well that opens up a can of worms

or explains a lot...

[scorecard]

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Per the story at 0600 this morning the police didn't have the technology to properly conduct the DNA testing and were seeking the help of the FBI and now all of a sudden they ard DNA experts and have the case solved. Must have found a copy of DNA testing for Dummies

Don't rule out very poor reporting and strong lack of editorial checking.

[Time Traveller]

Previous news story said "Thai technology" DNA could only determine if DNA was from a male or female. Now suddenly thai technology can determine the DNA was from a mongoloid?

Best not to beleive anything the Thai police or media ever say.

Edited September 20, 2014 by Time Traveller

[Lite Beer]

Koh Tao suspects 'Asian men'

THAILAND: The DNA found in a victim's body in the Koh Tao double murder belonged to two Asian men, according to deputy police chief Pol Gen Somyot Poompanmoung.

The test results from the semen found in the female victim's body indicated the suspects were Mongoloid and not Caucasian.

The results helped narrow down the search, said Pol Gen Somyot, who will become the national police chief on October 1.

Two Britons, Hannah Witheridge, 23, and David Miller, 24, were found dead on a beach on Koh Tao in Surat Thani province with severe head injuries on Monday morning (September 15).

Earlier, the autopsy on Ms Witheridge found semen from two people but subsequent DNA tests found no matches to any of the seven people detained — six Myanmar labourers and one Briton — shortly after the murders.

A cigarette butt found near the bodies on Friday (September 19) contained the DNA of Ms Witheridge and another person. It was believed the second person was someone she knew because the cigarette was shared.

Pol Gen Somyot was in Koh Tao earlier today (September 20) to follow up on the investigation.

He said that after the reconstruction of the crime scene on Friday, the case had progressed and the police had not ruled out anyone. Officers even took DNA samples of more than 20 local women, British media reported.

People on the island from tourists to fishermen and workers are being investigated, he said.

Police on Friday asked the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to help with DNA testing to identify racial markers but they later cancelled the request after succeeding in conducting the tests.

-- Phuket News 2014-09-20

[HeijoshinCool]

Pol Gen Somyot Phunphanmuang disclosed the latest test of DNA samples collected from semen … Ms Hannah Witheridge, 23, showed they belonged to Mongoloid people or Asians.

Finally!

And for the person on the other thread that dismissed my post on exactly this matter and suggested this was not possible with DNA tests, well . . .

Sorry Tatsujin, but both you and the general are mistaken.

DNA can not determine race, it can only identify traits of various groups of people, such as Asians (epicanthic folds), Europeans (blue/green eyes).

Really means little at this point in this particular crime, especially since so many people are of mixed race nowadays.

Furthermore, Thailand unlikely has the capability of determining traits, from DNA, such as blue hair or epicanthic folds. It requires advanced training, techniques, and equipment. And more than just a day or two.

More BS from the BIB.

[sweatalot]

But... police said a thai would never commit such crime?

But....of course, no member of the RTP ever said that, and neither did Prayuth. Only posters with a bias against the current government and Thais in general said that.

Prayuth did not say that. Why try to put blame on him?

[inzman]

Well the three stooges could do a better investigation. They are now testing the women on the island? No way they're gonna bust a Thai male for this are they. It's got to be a migrant woman. Jeez, 5 days have gone by and they still won't check out the Thai males that could've been responsible. Ain't gonna get solved, that's what I think. A small island with very few inhabitants, this could have and should have been solved within 48 hours, but when you won't look at the obvious culprits, you aren't gonna solve it. Must be some mighty connected person who committed this with so much protection.

[MobileContent]

I do wonder if this would also limit the chance of a Royingha being involved, as who were blamed earlier. Royingha I believe are more likely to have an Indian subcontinent heritage, not Mongoloid, like ethnic Thai/Chinese would have.

+1 You are spot on. Looking at the photo I would almost assume a young Thai Chinese or a Chinese.

[MobileContent]

I was a copper for 35 + years and I'm totally gobsmacked at the way the Thai Police have/are handling this. They appear to go public with every bit of information they acquire, without holding anything in reserve (having an Ace up their sleeve)to counter bogus alibis, red-herrings etc.

Do the general public NEED to know EVERY intimate detail ?

Serious question: Do the RTP go through ANY type of training or are they just given a uniform, a gun and told to go out there and be seen?

If I had performed my duties the way the RTP do, I would be ashamed to admit that I was once a Police Officer.

I AM DISGUSTED WITH, NEEDLESS TO SAY, THE INCIDENT BUT ALSO THE PROFESSIONALISM OF BOTH THE POLICE AND THE MEDIA.

Well said - In Germany no one speaks except the Media representative of the police and if anyone says anything they never comment on an ongoing investigation. Here it is the other way around. The cops all want to become the center of the investigation/cameras.

[Fred Flinstone]

The broadcaster you can trust... to make infantile, offensively descriptive, spelling and grammar errors. 'mongoloid'? 'annal'?

As to the DNA technology confusion, well, things here are like that all the time, "yes we have the garlic prawns", then after a visit to the kitchen, "no we don't".

I just always choose two mains now (one is the back-up) to avoid the inevitable let down. Maybe the lab is like that too?

Almost would be funny if people weren't getting butchered but your right about things.

Though its frowned on here, (saying so) some people fall for their captives .

Albeit cowardly, and Unmanly , its so much easier than facing the bill.

Something about Stockholm Syndrome?

[pattjock]

Pol Gen Somyot Phunphanmuang disclosed the latest test of DNA samples collected from semen … Ms Hannah Witheridge, 23, showed they belonged to Mongoloid people or Asians.

Finally!

And for the person on the other thread that dismissed my post on exactly this matter and suggested this was not possible with DNA tests, well . . .

Sorry Tatsujin, but both you and the general are mistaken.

DNA can not determine race, it can only identify traits of various groups of people, such as Asians (epicanthic folds), Europeans (blue/green eyes).

Really means little at this point in this particular crime, especially since so many people are of mixed race nowadays.

Furthermore, Thailand unlikely has the capability of determining traits, from DNA, such as blue hair or epicanthic folds. It requires advanced training, techniques, and equipment. And more than just a day or two.

More BS from the BIB.

It would be fairly easy to find the culprit if it was narrowed down to someone with blue hair.

[ramrod711]

I was a copper for 35 + years and I'm totally gobsmacked at the way the Thai Police have/are handling this. They appear to go public with every bit of information they acquire, without holding anything in reserve (having an Ace up their sleeve)to counter bogus alibis, red-herrings etc.

Do the general public NEED to know EVERY intimate detail ?

Serious question: Do the RTP go through ANY type of training or are they just given a uniform, a gun and told to go out there and be seen?

If I had performed my duties the way the RTP do, I would be ashamed to admit that I was once a Police Officer.

I AM DISGUSTED WITH, NEEDLESS TO SAY, THE INCIDENT BUT ALSO THE PROFESSIONALISM OF BOTH THE POLICE AND THE MEDIA.

Actually they have to pay for a gun, uniform and a motorbike. Many of them are in debt for these items before they ever get on the street.

[haybilly]

Since the RTP and media are being overly insensitive towards the deceased families feelings at such a terrible time--would it not be kinder, if we all tried to be over-sensitive--no need to repeat the invasive nature of the details disclosed, again and again, surely.

RIP --I'm very sad to say that they, for sure, aren't yet. Please try to consider the victims families, also.

Edited September 20, 2014 by haybilly

[angryfarang]

Have they stated if they found DNA from one person, or multiple? There must have been more than one person involved in this crime.

[tonbridgebrit]

Right, so the suspects are of the Mongoloid race, and not Caucasians. Okay, not all Americans are Caucasians (Caucasians are people with European ancestry, or who are indigenous to Europe).

Basically, the guys who did this might be Chinese from America, or indeed, Chinese from Britain or Europe. It doesn't actually mean that they are Thai or Chinese/Thais.

[Suradit69]

Maybe he could get a little more definitive results from the world expert analysts compared to the local staff who have neither the depth of training, experience or equipment. It bemuses me that Thais do not understand how far they are behind the world scientifically.

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" It bemuses me that Thais do not understand how far they are behind the world scientifically."

If only the whole world was as great as people in Farang Land.

It bemuses me that farangs do not understand how imperfect their systems of (supposed) justice are and the naivete with which they blindly assume everything in Farang Utopia is so much more superior.

There are none so blind ...

it is interesting to note that in England and Wales, between 1996 and 2006, 175 people accused of either murder (138) or manslaughter (37) subsequently had their convictions quashed by the Court of Appeal. In all these cases no retrial was ordered. Further to this, 106 (90 for murder and 16 for manslaughter) were then cleared upon retrial. This gives a total of 281 people wrongly convicted for the most serious of crimes. This of course does not account for wrongful convictions in areas of assault, rape, fraud, robbery etc. In each and every case, it could be argued that the individuals concerned must have had their human rights infringed upon as a result of an initially flawed judicial process. After all, the British judicial system promotes itself around the world as being a shining beacon to which many other countries aspire.

http://insidetime.org/articleview.asp?a=108&c=british_injustice

10,000 INNOCENT PEOPLE CONVICTED EACH YEAR, STUDY ESTIMATES

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- About 10,000 people in the United States may be wrongfully convicted of serious crimes each year, a new study suggests.

The results are based on a survey of 188 judges, prosecuting attorneys, public defenders, sheriffs and police

chiefs in Ohio and 41 state attorneys general.

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/ronhuff.htm

[ramrod711]

The broadcaster you can trust... to make infantile, offensively descriptive, spelling and grammar errors. 'mongoloid'? 'annal'?

As to the DNA technology confusion, well, things here are like that all the time, "yes we have the garlic prawns", then after a visit to the kitchen, "no we don't".

I just always choose two mains now (one is the back-up) to avoid the inevitable let down. Maybe the lab is like that too?

Almost would be funny if people weren't getting butchered but your right about things.

Though its frowned on here, (saying so) some people fall for their captives .

Albeit cowardly, and Unmanly , its so much easier than facing the bill.

Something about Stockholm Syndrome?

Am I the only one who doesn't understand this post? Stockholm syndrome? Who are the captives? Did he mean captors, that is the usual way of Stockholm syndrome, captives falling for captors. Of course we still don't know who is who. Cowardly and unmanly, who is that? Sounds like some guy at a keyboard afraid to say what he means.

[Loptr]

Why the (usual TV) sarcasm gentlemen?...There was hard evidence that this crime was possibly committed by their friends from the UK. OK resume drinking.

Really, what evidence? The only "evidence" that was found were blood stains on the Brit backpacker which came back negative for a match days ago...

[chrisinth]

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Koh Tao suspects 'Asian men'

THAILAND: The DNA found in a victim's body in the Koh Tao double murder belonged to two Asian men, according to deputy police chief Pol Gen Somyot Poompanmoung.

The test results from the semen found in the female victim's body indicated the suspects were Mongoloid and not Caucasian.

The results helped narrow down the search, said Pol Gen Somyot, who will become the national police chief on October 1.

Two Britons, Hannah Witheridge, 23, and David Miller, 24, were found dead on a beach on Koh Tao in Surat Thani province with severe head injuries on Monday morning (September 15).

Earlier, the autopsy on Ms Witheridge found semen from two people but subsequent DNA tests found no matches to any of the seven people detained — six Myanmar labourers and one Briton — shortly after the murders.

A cigarette butt found near the bodies on Friday (September 19) contained the DNA of Ms Witheridge and another person. It was believed the second person was someone she knew because the cigarette was shared.

Pol Gen Somyot was in Koh Tao earlier today (September 20) to follow up on the investigation.

He said that after the reconstruction of the crime scene on Friday, the case had progressed and the police had not ruled out anyone. Officers even took DNA samples of more than 20 local women, British media reported.

People on the island from tourists to fishermen and workers are being investigated, he said.

Police on Friday asked the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to help with DNA testing to identify racial markers but they later cancelled the request after succeeding in conducting the tests.

-- Phuket News 2014-09-20

"A cigarette butt found near the bodies on Friday (September 19) contained the DNA of Ms Witheridge and another person. It was believed the second person was someone she knew because the cigarette was shared"

Considering the remote location the bodies were found (away from the other party makers) the above for me would be the DNA of a person of considerable interest as it would be likely they would have been at the crime scene.

[Bluespunk]

Right, so the suspects are of the Mongoloid race, and not Caucasians. Okay, not all Americans are Caucasians (Caucasians are people with European ancestry, or who are indigenous to Europe).

Basically, the guys who did this might be Chinese from America, or indeed, Chinese from Britain or Europe. It doesn't actually mean that they are Thai or Chinese/Thais.

Might be, yeah, maybe, but seriously doubt it.

In all probability are more likely to be Thai or Burmese as they are more numerous on the island.

[Emster23]

My 2 cents: Should have used term "oriental" instead of "Mongoloid": Would have pissed off smaller segment of population. Now trail is cold and lots of time has passed to get perps off island, let's take DNA tests of whoever is left. Then go round up those of "Asian heritage" who already have decamped.

Regarding what makes an RTP, what is this about going out on a beat? "Do the RTP go through ANY type of training or are they just given a uniform, a gun and told to go out there and be seen?" I don't think leaving police station is in job description. It's dangerous away from there. They may run into criminals.

[ezzra]

" Pol Gen Somyot Phunphanmuang disclosed the latest test of DNA samples collected from semen found inside the vagina and annal of Ms Hannah Witheridge, 23, showed they belonged to Mongoloid people or Asians."

Good god, do they really have to be that graphic as to describe where the semen found on the poor lass?

wouldn't be enough to just say " semen found on her body" ? do they have to demean the person like that?