NLA will be asked by NACC to impeach Ms Yingluck and other Pheu Thai ex-MPs

[Lite Beer]

NLA will be asked by NACC to impeach Ms Yingluck and other Pheu Thai ex-MPs

BANGKOK: -- The National Anti-Corruption Commission will submit to the National Legislative Assembly next week two impeachment cases, one regarding constitutional amendments to change the composition of the Senate and the other concerning with the rice pledging scheme.

NACC secretary-general Sansern Poljiak said today (Friday) that since the NLA had passed the final reading of the parliamentary meeting regulations which empower the assembly to consider impeachment cases, the NACC decided to proceed with the two cases to the NLA.

In the first case, former parliament president Somsak Kiatsuranont and former Senate speaker Nikhom Wairachpanich are among former MPs of the Pheu Thai party and other coalition parties as well as senators facing the impeachment process for their endorsement of the constitutional amendments which are deemed unlawful.

As for the rice pledging case, Mr Sansern said that former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra would face the impeachment.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/nla-will-asked-nacc-impeach-ms-yingluck-pheu-thai-ex-mps/

-- Thai PBS 2014-09-26

[Roadman]

Well stick that where it best fits Attorney General.

[Cuchulainn]

As for the rice pledging case, Mr Sansern said that former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra would face the impeachment hangman

[rubl]

As for the rice pledging case, Mr Sansern said that former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra would face the impeachment hangman

one may wonder if Ms. Yingluck would prefer to face her older brother again who might be somewhat disappointed and really saddened by the ineffectiveness of his clone.

[Cuchulainn]

A stupid clone at that!!

[StealthEnergiser]

Great news about time many people suffered under Yingluck's Government time to face reality , this is what they get for being puppets .

thank you General Prayuth.

[whybother]

Does that mean that ALL law changes will need to go through all the legal channels before being voted on in parliament?

[tbthailand]

never saw that one coming.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/763638-nla-grants-itself-open-ended-impeachment-power/#entry8441760

[Pib]

This is great political theater.

[JOC]

Great news about time many people suffered under Yingluck's Government time to face reality , this is what they get for being puppets .

thank you General Prayuth.

Who exactly suffered during Yinglucks time in power? You? Your wife? Your children? Your dog?

Yes it was an expensive experience, but nobody was suffering? Apart from the country as a whole.

As for the impeachment, a complete waste of time and money. Since it can only remove her from power or ban her from politics for 5 years.

Removed she has been already, and I honestly think, she would only welcome a 5 year ban.

So a lot of hot air for nothing!!

[StealthEnergiser]

Great news about time many people suffered under Yingluck's Government time to face reality , this is what they get for being puppets .

thank you General Prayuth.

Who exactly suffered during Yinglucks time in power? You? Your wife? Your children? Your dog?

Yes it was an expensive experience, but nobody was suffering? Apart from the country as a whole.

As for the impeachment, a complete waste of time and money. Since it can only remove her from power or ban her from politics for 5 years.

Removed she has been already, and I honestly think, she would only welcome a 5 year ban.

So a lot of hot air for nothing!!

You are talking in riddles you say the country suffered but not the people , how can you say people never suffered ?

[2befrank]

Great news about time many people suffered under Yingluck's Government time to face reality , this is what they get for being puppets .

thank you General Prayuth.

Who exactly suffered during Yinglucks time in power? You? Your wife? Your children? Your dog?

Yes it was an expensive experience, but nobody was suffering? Apart from the country as a whole.

As for the impeachment, a complete waste of time and money. Since it can only remove her from power or ban her from politics for 5 years.

Removed she has been already, and I honestly think, she would only welcome a 5 year ban.

So a lot of hot air for nothing!!

You are missing the point. It is what follows impeachment that matters.

If successfully impeached, it opens the door for a criminal case and almost certainly will result in a guilty verdict. For example, if impeached then that shows her/them as 'guilty as charged'.

You can't really be guilty in one case and not guilty in the other when one is 100% pertinent to the other. Using all the same evidence, and logic prevails, then the two cases contradicting each other would be a mockery. While we are all well aware that a judicial mockery is more than a realistic possibility in Thailand. I doubt the General will be willing to embarrass the country any further seeing as it is currently a laughing stock in the eyes of the world or at least the rest of ASEAN.

As for suffering, yes... The whole country did suffer and so did a million rice farmers and their families of which some will never forget the name Shinawatra. The vast majority of the nation are wanting to see Yingluck and PTP ministers get their come-uppence. Remember they only got half the amount of votes back in Feb compared with 2011... That is how much support they lost during their term in office. Making the majority of Thailand's population against PTP now.

The General will see to it that the majority will get what they want. Returning happiness to the people.

Edited September 26, 2014 by 2befrank

[Sharp]

Who exactly suffered during Yinglucks time in power? You? Your wife? Your children? Your dog?

Yes it was an expensive experience, but nobody was suffering? Apart from the country as a whole

Ummmmm i missing something here ??

Oh yeah the "suicides" linked to this scheme.

Muppet !!!

[JOC]

@2befrank.

Good post. But why not take her (them) straight to the criminal court?

[2befrank]

@2befrank.

Good post. But why not take her (them) straight to the criminal court?

There is a process, and the NACC probably knows that all political cases must go via an impeachment hearing first. The criminal case will probably take years anyway, but with an impeachment verdict of 'guilty' already in place, then it will be a pretty much open and shut case.

The NACC want convictions here, and impeachment will deffo strengthen their case and probably speed it up.

Edited September 26, 2014 by 2befrank

[fobuff]

Impeach. everybody was impeached de facto when the great leader had a coup and declared himself the great leader under martial law

[Thai at Heart]

Great news about time many people suffered under Yingluck's Government time to face reality , this is what they get for being puppets .

thank you General Prayuth.

Who exactly suffered during Yinglucks time in power? You? Your wife? Your children? Your dog?

Yes it was an expensive experience, but nobody was suffering? Apart from the country as a whole.

As for the impeachment, a complete waste of time and money. Since it can only remove her from power or ban her from politics for 5 years.

Removed she has been already, and I honestly think, she would only welcome a 5 year ban.

So a lot of hot air for nothing!!

You are missing the point. It is what follows impeachment that matters.

If successfully impeached, it opens the door for a criminal case and almost certainly will result in a guilty verdict. For example, if impeached then that shows her/them as 'guilty as charged'.

You can't really be guilty in one case and not guilty in the other when one is 100% pertinent to the other. Using all the same evidence, and logic prevails, then the two cases contradicting each other would be a mockery. While we are all well aware that a judicial mockery is more than a realistic possibility in Thailand. I doubt the General will be willing to embarrass the country any further seeing as it is currently a laughing stock in the eyes of the world or at least the rest of ASEAN.

As for suffering, yes... The whole country did suffer and so did a million rice farmers and their families of which some will never forget the name Shinawatra. The vast majority of the nation are wanting to see Yingluck and PTP ministers get their come-uppence. Remember they only got half the amount of votes back in Feb compared with 2011... That is how much support they lost during their term in office. Making the majority of Thailand's population against PTP now.

The General will see to it that the majority will get what they want. Returning happiness to the people.

You postulate a very serious problem with this empeachment. If she is empeached politically and loses, but doesn't lose a criminal case, then what?

Yes. You said it. A mockery. I think they would do well, just to let it lie

[rickirs]

Isn't the impeachment request premature?

This is what I understand:

1) Yingluck has not been found quilty in a court of law for negligent dereliction of duty in the rice pledge program. To date the prosecutor has declined to charge Yingluck and bring her to trial. But it seems the NACC has independent prosecurial powers to the extent that it can hire its own prosecutor to take the case to trial. Regardless, she has not been tried and\ found guilty. So is the grounds for impeachment is based on NACC allegations that she should be impeached?

2) With regards to the failed Pheu Thai Party MP's legislation to alter the way some senators are selected (proposed 100% elected vs. 50% appointed), the Supreme Court ruled that it was the PROCESS used to pass the legislation that was unconstitutional. The SC did not rule that it was the PROPOSAL itself that was unconstitutional as the 2007 Constitution provided for changes to the Constitution. Again, where is the criminality and conviction?

3) Finally, it is odd that NACC is asking that Yingluck to be impeached for attempting a change in the constitution that no longer exists. To those new TV readers, the 2007 Constitution doesn't exist because the military coup aborgated (threw out) the constitution in May 2014 and by its own perrogative created an Interim Constitution and a National Legislative Assembly in which the Senate no longer exists.

So what is the grounds for impeachment other than a political vendetta against the PTP and Yingluck?

[Thai at Heart]

Isn't the impeachment request premature?

This is what I understand:

1) Yingluck has not been found quilty in a court of law for negligent dereliction of duty in the rice pledge program. To date the prosecutor has declined to charge Yingluck and bring her to trial. But it seems the NACC has independent prosecurial powers to the extent that it can hire its own prosecutor to take the case to trial. Regardless, she has not been tried and\ found guilty. So is the grounds for impeachment is based on NACC allegations that she should be impeached?

2) With regards to the failed Pheu Thai Party MP's legislation to alter the way some senators are selected (proposed 100% elected vs. 50% appointed), the Supreme Court ruled that it was the PROCESS used to pass the legislation that was unconstitutional. The SC did not rule that it was the PROPOSAL itself that was unconstitutional as the 2007 Constitution provided for changes to the Constitution. Again, where is the criminality and conviction?

3) Finally, it is odd that NACC is asking that Yingluck to be impeached for attempting a change in the constitution that no longer exists. To those new TV readers, the 2007 Constitution doesn't exist because the military coup aborgated (threw out) the constitution in May 2014 and by its own perrogative created an Interim Constitution and a National Legislative Assembly in which the Senate no longer exists.

So what is the grounds for impeachment other than a political vendetta against the PTP and Yingluck?

Oh stop it now.

As loads of people have said on here, "we all know the Shinawatras are evil, thieving people, and we all know that they must be guilty of something, so we all know that they must be found guilty, because we all know that they are the baddies and the other guys are the goodies, because we all know this, and this is the truth, because the Nation said so".

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[gamini]

Great news about time many people suffered under Yingluck's Government time to face reality , this is what they get for being puppets .

thank you General Prayuth.

Who exactly suffered during Yinglucks time in power? You? Your wife? Your children? Your dog?

Yes it was an expensive experience, but nobody was suffering? Apart from the country as a whole.

As for the impeachment, a complete waste of time and money. Since it can only remove her from power or ban her from politics for 5 years.

Removed she has been already, and I honestly think, she would only welcome a 5 year ban.

So a lot of hot air for nothing!!

You are talking in riddles you say the country suffered but not the people , how can you say people never suffered ?

I suffered out of anxiety for one of my close Thai friends who had to go into hiding because of the PTP goons who hunted him down for leading a protest against them. And what about the demonstrators who were killed? and those who were wounded. Do you live in Thailand? Your remaks are ridiculous!

[rubl]

Does that mean that ALL law changes will need to go through all the legal channels before being voted on in parliament?

Not sure. It would seem the NLA (as being both parliament/senate) does all the work. Mind you, the 'all' is in part done by NCPO and it's advisors who have the power to present a draft to NLA for 'consideration'.

[rubl]

never saw that one coming.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/763638-nla-grants-itself-open-ended-impeachment-power/#entry8441760

I can only hope that Ms. Yingluck and other Pheu Thai MPs are less naive than you seem to be.

They got at least four months by now to better prepare themselves, have their legal representatives prepared, etc., etc.

[jesimps]

Surprise surprise.....not! The military and it's political wing, the Democrats, plus the judiciary, have been planning this for years. It's not sufficient just to upseat her, she has to be put out of action by banning and possibly jail time. Saw this coming from start of protests, didn't need a crystal ball.

[rubl]

@2befrank.

Good post. But why not take her (them) straight to the criminal court?

There is a process, and the NACC probably knows that all political cases must go via an impeachment hearing first. The criminal case will probably take years anyway, but with an impeachment verdict of 'guilty' already in place, then it will be a pretty much open and shut case.

The NACC want convictions here, and impeachment will deffo strengthen their case and probably speed it up.

I beg to differ. A criminal case will offer the defendants the possibility to call almost all and any witnesses they think may help their cause. The NACC doesn't have to accept all witnesses, is the difference.

Of course, a criminal case may offer the defendants to clear their good name. Just dropping the matter because it's inconvenient leaves a bad taste in the mouth of many. IMHO

[rubl]

Isn't the impeachment request premature?

This is what I understand:

1) Yingluck has not been found quilty in a court of law for negligent dereliction of duty in the rice pledge program. To date the prosecutor has declined to charge Yingluck and bring her to trial. But it seems the NACC has independent prosecurial powers to the extent that it can hire its own prosecutor to take the case to trial. Regardless, she has not been tried and\ found guilty. So is the grounds for impeachment is based on NACC allegations that she should be impeached?

2) With regards to the failed Pheu Thai Party MP's legislation to alter the way some senators are selected (proposed 100% elected vs. 50% appointed), the Supreme Court ruled that it was the PROCESS used to pass the legislation that was unconstitutional. The SC did not rule that it was the PROPOSAL itself that was unconstitutional as the 2007 Constitution provided for changes to the Constitution. Again, where is the criminality and conviction?

3) Finally, it is odd that NACC is asking that Yingluck to be impeached for attempting a change in the constitution that no longer exists. To those new TV readers, the 2007 Constitution doesn't exist because the military coup aborgated (threw out) the constitution in May 2014 and by its own perrogative created an Interim Constitution and a National Legislative Assembly in which the Senate no longer exists.

So what is the grounds for impeachment other than a political vendetta against the PTP and Yingluck?

For on the NLA represent both parliament AND Senate. Read the Interim Constitution.

Your first point is like going back to the future. First Ms. Yingluck needs to be impeached BEFORE a Criminal Court may possibly be involved depending on the findings of the NACC

As for process, well, dsomehow it would seem Senators were involved in that process.

As for grounds for impeachment, that should be obvious and clear to all. It offers the alleged offenders the possibility to formally clear their name, rather than having to live with innuendo and half truths.

[2befrank]

Isn't the impeachment request premature?

This is what I understand:

1) Yingluck has not been found quilty in a court of law for negligent dereliction of duty in the rice pledge program. To date the prosecutor has declined to charge Yingluck and bring her to trial. But it seems the NACC has independent prosecurial powers to the extent that it can hire its own prosecutor to take the case to trial. Regardless, she has not been tried and\ found guilty. So is the grounds for impeachment is based on NACC allegations that she should be impeached?

2) With regards to the failed Pheu Thai Party MP's legislation to alter the way some senators are selected (proposed 100% elected vs. 50% appointed), the Supreme Court ruled that it was the PROCESS used to pass the legislation that was unconstitutional. The SC did not rule that it was the PROPOSAL itself that was unconstitutional as the 2007 Constitution provided for changes to the Constitution. Again, where is the criminality and conviction?

3) Finally, it is odd that NACC is asking that Yingluck to be impeached for attempting a change in the constitution that no longer exists. To those new TV readers, the 2007 Constitution doesn't exist because the military coup aborgated (threw out) the constitution in May 2014 and by its own perrogative created an Interim Constitution and a National Legislative Assembly in which the Senate no longer exists.

So what is the grounds for impeachment other than a political vendetta against the PTP and Yingluck?

Your post is flawed from end to end.

You start by saying 'Yingluck has not been found quilty in a court of law for negligent dereliction of duty in the rice pledge program'.

In fact she WAS convicted by the constitutional court... she was found guilty of the both charges pertaining to the rice pledging negligence claims and the attempted changing of the constitution for pretty much personal gain. The constitutional court being the highest court in the land.

The supreme court has made no such rulings, again it was the Cons Court and they ruled it unanimously as 'ILLEGAL' and in breech of the constitution.

Finally it is 100% wrong for you to assume that if the constitution is no longer valid then all past crimes that against it are all also invalid... That is not the case and should never be the case, it is merely your own opinion and a very biased one at that.

There WAS a constitution at the time the 'crimes' against it were committed. The conviction was handed down by the Cons court and everything in the hereafter is all part of the process of what happens next.

It is like saying that a man in prison for murder can not be convicted because the person he killed is no longer here.

Thank god common sense prevails and will see these political criminals face their punishment. W are all sick and tired of the rich and powerful being given a free hand to do what the hell they like. Anything else is just showing all those that follow in their footsteps can get away with it and Thailand will never move forwards until those damaging the country are brought to swift and exceedingly harsh justice.

That is my opinion.

[rubl]

Surprise surprise.....not! The military and it's political wing, the Democrats, plus the judiciary, have been planning this for years. It's not sufficient just to upseat her, she has to be put out of action by banning and possibly jail time. Saw this coming from start of protests, didn't need a crystal ball.

Oh, the judicial coup again, allegedly only of course.

Nothing to do with any wrong doing. All the fault of those pesky anti-government protesters who probably by mistake were even called 'within their democrat rights' by the Yingluck Administration. That was before they realised it was a bit more serious than expected. Then it became undemocratic, terrorist like and so.

It would seem that such noble cause as defending Ms. Yingluck really requires halftruths, innuendo, and so.

[tbthailand]

never saw that one coming.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/763638-nla-grants-itself-open-ended-impeachment-power/#entry8441760

I can only hope that Ms. Yingluck and other Pheu Thai MPs are less naive than you seem to be.

They got at least four months by now to better prepare themselves, have their legal representatives prepared, etc., etc.

either you don't read posts entirely or you don't understand irony and mild sarcasm.

[rubl]

never saw that one coming.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/763638-nla-grants-itself-open-ended-impeachment-power/#entry8441760

I can only hope that Ms. Yingluck and other Pheu Thai MPs are less naive than you seem to be.

They got at least four months by now to better prepare themselves, have their legal representatives prepared, etc., etc.

either you don't read posts entirely or you don't understand irony and mild sarcasm.

By now I think I've got you figured out, my dear chap.

I think it's neither irony nor sarcasm, more like obfuscated accusation. IMHO