T_Dog Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 It would seem that with all the pressure from inside Thailand and from abroad, that the family would have volunteered DNA samples to clear themselves if they were innocent. When will the police stop protecting the privileged and do their job? They claim human rights keeps them from swabbing the family but that didn't seem to be a factor with the Burmese. There is a huge story here that still needs to be told, and only the police can make it happen. The world is watching and waiting. Only doing the right thing can save the image of the country at this point. The whole headmaster clan including the son Nomsod are well protected by corruption. This will not last forever because the world will not be quiet until this is cleared Why would they be so protected? Protection has its price, and no one can afford to cover it up at this point. If this is a paid cover up, what is the price? Who is being paid? How could the government of Thailand allow it at this point with all the international pressure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonsai Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 You can think it is a scapegoat as much as you want but they have the right guy this time. You probably mean "You can think it is the right guy as much as you want but they have a scapegoat this time." Anyway, just and only bring the Koh Tao mafia suspects have a DNA test. I have been convinced since day 1 that they are involved. Actually since he offered a THB 1 million reward to anybody who can prove that his family is involved. If he was not, he would just have proposed his DNA test. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlebw Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) I think they are involved but Im sure that they wont give a DNA test as it could tie in with any rapes / murders they have done in the past , will do in the future If they had given DNA tests then what was to stop the RTP swapping with others to make them look innocent? Thats why I do believe that the 2 Burmese lads DNA is found on Hannah - they are guilty of rape ( i believe that Hannah was raped after she died) and there are at least 2/3 other suspects who killed Hannah and David Edited October 9, 2014 by littlebw 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonsai Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Why would they be so protected? Protection has its price, and no one can afford to cover it up at this point. If this is a paid cover up, what is the price? Who is being paid? How could the government of Thailand allow it at this point with all the international pressure? Unfortunately the guy might also disappear... I agree that, at this point, protection can very hardly be held. The whole case is falling apart and I cannot see how the RTP can play more dirty and tricky games. Only option I can see: have the guy vanishing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post canuckamuck Posted October 9, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2014 When will the police stop protecting the privileged and do their job? You are mistaken. Protecting the privileged is their job? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseldave1951 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Too much speculation here on TV , why would anyone swap DNA from the body etc. Some Thais are actually good people trying to do heir best to solve this crime. because it is the norm here To do things throught the proper channels take good skills something a certain agency just does not have, so it is easier to "fit up" someone or two beat the c--p out of them untill they sign a confession and yes yhere are good Thai people out there and they are also showing disatifaction at the proformance of said agency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseldave1951 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I think they are involved but Im sure that they wont give a DNA test as it could tie in with any rapes / murders they have done in the past , will do in the future If they had given DNA tests then what was to stop the RTP swapping with others to make them look innocent? Thats why I do believe that the 2 Burmese lads DNA is found on Hannah - they are guilty of rape ( i believe that Hannah was raped after she died) and there are at least 2/3 other suspects who killed Hannah and David you are so correct in your thinking they are guilty of something in nthe past, i'd put money on it surley you cant rape somone who is already dead it called negrophillia or some thing like that still thats very weird but it aint murder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elektrified Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 So you think that he will be released in a few months ? No way, this is for life or death penalty, the pressure from the world will make sure of that. Not even 10 million baht iis worth it. You can think it is a scapegoat as much as you want but they have the right guy this time. Member balo is one of the biggest Thai apologists I have ever seen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) So you think that he will be released in a few months ? No way, this is for life or death penalty, the pressure from the world will make sure of that. Not even 10 million baht iis worth it. You can think it is a scapegoat as much as you want but they have the right guy this time. Member balo is one of the biggest Thai apologists I have ever seen. I'll take that as a compliment. I do not apologise crime and corruption , in this case the truth might never come out, any investigation performed by any qualified Thai will be laughed at, it doesnt matter how hard they try , even if they tell the truth. Edited October 9, 2014 by balo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post canuckamuck Posted October 9, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2014 even if they tell the truth. Don't worry, it will never come to that. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DekDoi Posted October 9, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) This family have seriously strong connections - islands are great way to bring drugs/arms/contraban into the contury... The father has been doing favours for powerful people for a long time and now he calls in a favour to protect his son - his son will be protected and will avoid prosecution To be honest i'm surprised if the son hasn't left the country 'to study abroad' Just hope someone tracks him down.... Edited October 9, 2014 by DekDoi 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingdoc Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Hi Balo, Were you there? Are you a lawyer or forensic scientist? How is it that the whole world is so unconvinced that there are currently 280,000 signatures and millions of baht being raised to provide a fighting fund for these two lads. Why? If justice has been done, this would be superfluous and pointless as well as insulting to the parents of the two victims! Come up with some real facts! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseldave1951 Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Spot on there, the fact of revealed beatings including the star whitness (by his own confession saw nothing) The world has known for a long time about the conduct of the police (and scammers ) and over the years done nothing because of it being individuals being scammed or low key crimes. There must be millions of us,over the years This fit up has probalay bought all of the people who either been scammed or had dealings with corruption in Thailand together to fight(i.e.) financial donations for the injustice to these defendendants, and secondly at last to stand up and at last and bite Thailand in the ass for letting scammers and corruption run on for so long. WAKE UP THAILAND THE WORLD IS WATCHING YOU, if tourisim is so important more than true justce and fair play, WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE Thailand will never be free of scammers and or corruption,But it would be nice and in the long term beneficial to Thailand if there was a substantial and lasting DENT in it. This Balo i think might have a vested intrest (could be police or thai official ) have to be careful now vailed threats of prosecution if you alledgly insult officials (freedom of speech ) so lucky to be home in the UK at this time Hi Balo, Were you there? Are you a lawyer or forensic scientist? How is it that the whole world is so unconvinced that there are currently 280,000 signatures and millions of baht being raised to provide a fighting fund for these two lads. Why? If justice has been done, this would be superfluous and pointless as well as insulting to the parents of the two victims! Come up with some real facts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 No it's just my personal opinion , in a world that wants to be cheated by social media it's always hard to find the real facts, and this case has gotten more attention than any murder cases I can remember for the last 10 years, thanks to the power of internet. Social media can be a very good thing but it can also backfire. Only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
american12bthai Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 Come on.....let´s do it right......DNA-rest the Brothers...both of them...then we will know!! And the authorities must publish the result Nationwide and on the web for everyone to read !!! If they dont do this....we will forever Believe that some people in society can get away with basically Everything.....if you pay a handsome amount of Money !! And.....Koh Tao will Always be branded as a maffia-Place with their own laws in the Eyes of the Tourists !!! i lost faith in the PM when he said there were no mafia on the island. all credibility lost in so few words. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
givenall Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 Did he submitted DNA sample. Not sure I would do any good any way knowing how police handed everything so far anyways 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
changnaam Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 It seems that he did not submit for DNA testing. I would hope that someone has his DNA now and will be verified in uk. Has the Samui Bangkok flight been checked yet? Has the rumor about scratches on his arms and neck after returning from KT been confirmed? Has the missing cctv turned up yet? Was he in school Monday morning? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_Dog Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Come on.....let´s do it right......DNA-rest the Brothers...both of them...then we will know!! And the authorities must publish the result Nationwide and on the web for everyone to read !!! If they dont do this....we will forever Believe that some people in society can get away with basically Everything.....if you pay a handsome amount of Money !! And.....Koh Tao will Always be branded as a maffia-Place with their own laws in the Eyes of the Tourists !!! i lost faith in the PM when he said there were no mafia on the island. all credibility lost in so few words. They might be friends. Not sure if this link is credible but if you are creative in opening it and translating it, there are some interesting relationships if true. This was posted on another ThaiVisa thread but there wasn't much discussion on it. http://liberez-somyot.over-blog.com/2014/10/koh-tao-un-membre-d-une-famille-mafieuse-locale-serait-il-le-responsable-du-meurtre-des-deux-jeunes-touristes-britanniques.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaobang Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 (edited) from CSI LA "We've asked for DNA and video evidence to prove the innocence you continue to claim. You refused. We will wait another 11 hours for evidence which you've promised. On an unrelated note, we are curious as to what are foreign tourists' opinions about your hotel and other establishment. We are going to gauge that online, publicly and internationally" https://www.facebook.com/CSILA90210/photos/a.600950366649359.1073741828.596740650403664/715722148505513/?type=1&theater Edited October 12, 2014 by kaobang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetlejuice Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Submit DNA and end the speculation. Sent from my LG-D858 Really? Even if the guy was given a DNA test and the results were published as negative, the conspiracy goons would still accuse the police of tampering with the evidence. The police claim they have already established that the guy was not on the Island when the murders took place, but I guess that all the Cluedo detectives will dispute that as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya46 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 i lost faith in the PM when he said there were no mafia on the island. all credibility lost in so few words. You probably don't use the same definition for "mafia". IMHO "organized crime syndicate" is way too much for what you find on this small island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_Dog Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Looks like corruption and mafia connections is getting some news, so perhaps those relationships are significant. http://thediplomat.com/2014/10/thai-junta-beset-by-corruption-scandals/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Flinstone Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Yes Mmmm i would say so. Quote A few days ago, Prayuth appeared angry when Thais demanded the government increase transparency UnQuote Says about everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseldave1951 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 TO LATE ITS BEEN BLOCKED there you have it a on freedom of speech and you can onl;y look at whats approved so there is something to hide or it would not be blocked Come on.....let´s do it right......DNA-rest the Brothers...both of them...then we will know!! And the authorities must publish the result Nationwide and on the web for everyone to read !!! If they dont do this....we will forever Believe that some people in society can get away with basically Everything.....if you pay a handsome amount of Money !! And.....Koh Tao will Always be branded as a maffia-Place with their own laws in the Eyes of the Tourists !!! i lost faith in the PM when he said there were no mafia on the island. all credibility lost in so few words. They might be friends. Not sure if this link is credible but if you are creative in opening it and translating it, there are some interesting relationships if true. This was posted on another ThaiVisa thread but there wasn't much discussion on it. http://liberez-somyot.over-blog.com/2014/10/koh-tao-un-membre-d-une-famille-mafieuse-locale-serait-il-le-responsable-du-meurtre-des-deux-jeunes-touristes-britanniques.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseldave1951 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 a chip of the old block i'd say Yes Mmmm i would say so. Quote A few days ago, Prayuth appeared angry when Thais demanded the government increase transparency UnQuote Says about everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooner Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 https://www.facebook.com/CSILA90210/photos/p.715244065219988/715244065219988/?type=1&theatre Always heard translating Thai but he doesn't seem to mind talking about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monk213 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 a chip of the old block i'd say Yes Mmmm i would say so. Quote A few days ago, Prayuth appeared angry when Thais demanded the government increase transparency UnQuote Says about everything Like I said way before this horrific double murder took place, before the bikini comment made by him and the reward and praise that should go to the BiB for their outstanding work in the investigation, back before people were praising him for things he was saying he was going to do and things he appeared to be doing, I stated that he is an army general with no experience, credentials or skills within politics and thus should not be PM end of. But he appointed himself even if it is for only a year, but yeah lets see if that holds up as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooner Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Hard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmatix Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 His own father even said that his son had left the island on the morning after the murder! The time stamps on the cctv prints could easily be altered by anyone with half an idea of how to use Photoshop after receiving a monetary incentive. This article from Thai Rath gives a pretty good idea about how easy it is modify stills of CCTV footage using a picture exhibited by Nom Sod's lawyer as an example http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3AmySfDizcrxsJ%3Awww.thairath.co.th%2Fcontent%2F455496+&cd=1&hl=th&ct=clnk&gl=th. Although it's in Thai google translate renders a good enough translation to get the gist of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H1w4yR1da Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 (edited) Submit DNA and end the speculation. Sent from my LG-D858 Really? Even if the guy was given a DNA test and the results were published as negative, the conspiracy goons would still accuse the police of tampering with the evidence. The police claim they have already established that the guy was not on the Island when the murders took place, but I guess that all the Cluedo detectives will dispute that as well. When looking back at past murder investigations conducted by the RTP, such as Kirsty Jones, the Saudi diplomats, Sherry Duncan etc. it's quite natural and logical to have no trust whatsoever in the Thai police.And often, it's actually the RTP who are the actual killers. Edited October 12, 2014 by H1w4yR1da Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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