Police address criticisms over Koh Tao arrest of Myanmar suspects

[bertty]

This photo tells me everything! The guilt is written all over his face.

If you only believe with your eyes and not your brain you can call him guilty as much as you like.

To me he looks like s shy , innocent student dragged into all this by his father who wants to clear his name. No I dont think he is capable of killing anyone.

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DNA test.

[keystonecoppers2]

Regarding the phone on the beach: It looks like it`s the male victims clothes. So, if it`s his phone lying there,

then who´s phone did they find at the burmeses place?

[gwenvo]

Who are the guys in the top half of the photo?

Exactly what I have been thinking. They are not the same people at all. The top men who work at AC bar had been arrested and they were the ones seen in the store buying cigarettes.. but they are not the same as the burmese lads. Have they tried to find lookalikes to frame, and think we are all stupid?

Anyone else know if these are meant to be the same guys?

[littlebw]

he had 2 phones, his iphone would not work in Koh Tao( locked to uk)

Regarding the phone on the beach: It looks like it`s the male victims clothes. So, if it`s his phone lying there,

then who´s phone did they find at the burmeses place?

[bertty]

he had 2 phones, his iphone would not work in Koh Tao( locked to uk)

Regarding the phone on the beach: It looks like it`s the male victims clothes. So, if it`s his phone lying there,

then who´s phone did they find at the burmeses place?

Strangely enough I always carry a phone on me that doesn't work.

I mean who wouldn't ?

[bertty]

This photo tells me everything! The guilt is written all over his face.

If you only believe with your eyes and not your brain you can call him guilty as much as you like.

To me he looks like s shy , innocent student dragged into all this by his father who wants to clear his name. No I dont think he is capable of killing anyone.

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No idea how old this kid is, but about 18-19 .. That is one druggy looking eye.

[Norvid]

Inconsistencies and lack of logic in all process, not to mention the previous rationale and published statements by the police. These are the fundamentals how not to conduct an investigation. After these there is no trust of what they did and /or found. Suspects and police.

[bunglebag]

If the DNA evidence is infallibly conclusive, why did they need to beat confessions out of the Burmese boys?

They didn't look particularly beat up to me - only sheepish and clearly regretting raping and killing those two unfortunate Brits.

I don't understand why people are so intent on protecting them when all of the investigative facts point to them being the guilty party.

Beacause ThaiVisa members are totally pizzed off that the killers were not Thai.

No, it's more we can't believe The local Thai Mafia family was/wasn't tested, locked up for 2 days( reported to be 90 minutes, Mon was locked up for 2 days, 70%DNA match), then cleared...this is the word from Koh Tao.

Pretty clear this Fish is rotting at the head.

Anyway, the amount of likes csila has on facebook means you are wrong, likes are limited here, not there...

So many Thais are saying the same thing about this scam...coverup and scapegoats....

Not to mention the other crimes they are talking about that this Family have committed, any tourist who heads to koh Tao needs their head read...It's dodgy as...

Personally I am of the opinion that Sean may well have given us the identity of the killer a week after the murders took place. It was spun a day later to mean that *if* Sean died that night then that is what he was referring to, but Sean's postings that night were very coherent. He may have had a drink but sobered up sharpish when he thought they were going to kill him. He said 'xxxx did it' - past tense. And if this was the case then maybe the nephew (Worat) could be linked by DNA (possibly as one of the sexual perpetrators) hence the sharp exit.

(Where did this alleged 70% DNA match figure for Mon come from? certainly nowhere official or it would surely have been jumped on)

He refused to be tested in the first few days but may have been tested after the Sean threats as the police claimed but he was officially cleared in less than 24 hours and the Forensic chief himself in Bangkok a week later said that it was a minimum of 48 hours to test a DNA sample. That is so suspect it's untrue.

[nadii]

Let's hypothetically say that it was the Headmans son who did this?

Usually murderers are repeat offenders.

He cannot possibly try to murder someone again because that would definitely nail the coffin in Koh Toa's tourist industry and ruin his dad's business and lose all their money.

But most importantly, why have we not heard anything from the other son or about the son? We've heard about Warot but what about the other one???

I've seen Waruts Facebook. He looks like a arrogant little idiot.

Thai food is my favourite cuisine and visiting there was in my bucket list. It has now been crossed off, and by many others I know too.

[bunglebag]

Let's hypothetically say that it was the Headmans son who did this?

Usually murderers are repeat offenders.

He cannot possibly try to murder someone again because that would definitely nail the coffin in Koh Toa's tourist industry and ruin his dad's business and lose all their money.

But most importantly, why have we not heard anything from the other son or about the son? We've heard about Warot but what about the other one???

I've seen Waruts Facebook. He looks like a arrogant little idiot.

Thai food is my favourite cuisine and visiting there was in my bucket list. It has now been crossed off, and by many others I know too.

Who is the other son - He gets mentioned from time to time and was apparently present on the island. I've asked for a name / identity a couple of times but never seen an answer. Is it DJ Spicy FX?

[The stuttering parrot]

If the stuttering parrot is so wrong then how come all you guys have dropped off the phone theory once the police made a press conference statement that cleared it all up.?

Soon the DNA question will also be cleared up and the accused will go to trail.

As for the ghouls who want to pour over the crime scene photos and pretended they are some type of forensic expert you need your heads read.

And what about the guys who were asked not to put the photos on here so they go down the path of giving detailed descriptions of the horrific wounds on both victims and give their so called expert opinions.

This has turned into nothing but a thai bashing thread with the usual suspects getting their cheap shots in and generalising Thais and for that matter Burmese .

And now we have the experts looking at a picture of one of the accused saying he has guilt written all over his face or he looks completly innocent.

The police don't have to inform the public of their investigations every step of the way I case it hinders their case and rightly so.

They will get all their ducks in a row and proceed to court.

[nadii]

This photo tells me everything! The guilt is written all over his face.

If you only believe with your eyes and not your brain you can call him guilty as much as you like.

To me he looks like s shy , innocent student dragged into all this by his father who wants to clear his name. No I dont think he is capable of killing anyone.

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Shy and innocent? I think not.

This is from his Facebook.

[bunglebag]

If the stuttering parrot is so wrong then how come all you guys have dropped off the phone theory once the police made a press conference statement that cleared it all up.?

Soon the DNA question will also be cleared up and the accused will go to trail.

As for the ghouls who want to pour over the crime scene photos and pretended they are some type of forensic expert you need your heads read.

And what about the guys who were asked not to put the photos on here so they go down the path of giving detailed descriptions of the horrific wounds on both victims and give their so called expert opinions.

This has turned into nothing but a thai bashing thread with the usual suspects getting their cheap shots in and generalising Thais and for that matter Burmese .

And now we have the experts looking at a picture of one of the accused saying he has guilt written all over his face or he looks completly innocent.

The police don't have to inform the public of their investigations every step of the way I case it hinders their case and rightly so.

They will get all their ducks in a row and proceed to court.

Because believe it or not we are not actually out to pervert the course of justice. The phone they allegedly found does not appear to be that of Hannah as was claimed by the police initially.

[Cambodger]

This photo tells me everything! The guilt is written all over his face.

If you only believe with your eyes and not your brain you can call him guilty as much as you like.

To me he looks like s shy , innocent student dragged into all this by his father who wants to clear his name. No I dont think he is capable of killing anyone.

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It reminds me of a Baroque painting, it captures all the emotion and intensity of the moment.

[bunglebag]

This photo tells me everything! The guilt is written all over his face.

If you only believe with your eyes and not your brain you can call him guilty as much as you like.

To me he looks like s shy , innocent student dragged into all this by his father who wants to clear his name. No I dont think he is capable of killing anyone.

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I must disagree Balo. If his father wanted to clear his name then why not get him to provide DNA vountarily? That would have cleared his name.

Why have the police accepted a picture of him as proof which in no way proves he was not on that island in the early hours of that morning? There are multiple flights he could have caught to Bangkok that would have got him there in time for that picture (if it is genuine). Indeed there is a tale that he flew from Samui early that morning under his father's name.

[Cambodger]

I'm sure that when Hannah and Davids bodies arrived back in England that they were sent for thorough investigation from coroners, pathologists, toxicologists, DNA etc, plus interviewed everyone who has returned from that holiday.

So the UK and the ambassador will already know much more about stab wounds and weapons used than they are letting on publicly.

I imagine much diplomacy is needed in dealing with hi-so governmental level Thais.

[IslandLover]

Anthony5, on 06 Oct 2014 - 18:18, said:

IslandLover, on 06 Oct 2014 - 18:11, said:

Anthony5, on 06 Oct 2014 - 16:55, said:Anthony5, on 06 Oct 2014 - 16:55, said:

IslandLover, on 06 Oct 2014 - 16:53, said:

Looks like the end of the belt around the shorts to me.

No no, you must have an agenda, you must be paid by the rtp, it is a phone Stealthengineert said so.

I have no agenda. I'm just reporting what I see. Besides, the latest story from the RTP is that the perps took the phone from the pocket of the male victim's shorts, so why would it be lying on the beach beside them in the crime scene photos? Personally, I think this case has more holes than a colander. In a British court of law, it is up to the prosecution to prove the case "beyond all reasonable doubt". There seems to be plenty of reasonable doubt in this case so far! JMO

Didn't you notice the sarcasm in my post, I thought it was easy to notice.

Actually yes I did but decided to nail my colours to the mast anyway.

[ScotBkk]

Personally. I think it’s all a complete and utter shambles.

So much good evidence to disprove these 2 accused ‘were and are in fact’ the so-called' perpetrators. Furthermore, No official forensic teams from the west (as yet) to collate all the information together to explain in great methodical detail how these heinous crimes were committed.

More so, very frustrating and pretty factual that David’s wounds are too small on his cranium (and everywhere else) to have been inflicted by a Hoe. Since, the cuts and depth of injuries would have invariably been much deeper and wider with the force inflicted to incapacitate and render him to a degree of restraint holding back the chance of any attack from him personally. What really gets at me, is this feeling we are all giving relative facts that truly need answered - but will they?

Seems to be a song and dance routine throughout this farce. It really needs intervention by others albeit independent investigation from the UK so we can all digress in the notion that justice will prevail and put a lot of people's mind at rest. These people within this topic throwing in the odd disgusting contemptible noxious verbiage are probably doing this to keep this forum alive and well to up the ante on posters. If not, and doing this from a personal point of view then these undesirables are very sick individuals indeed.

Will be interesting to see how this case progresses over the coming week ……………

[IslandLover]

Dogmatix, on 06 Oct 2014 - 18:24, said:

IslandLover, on 06 Oct 2014 - 18:11, said:

IslandLover, on 06 Oct 2014 - 16:53, said:

Looks like the end of the belt around the shorts to me.

Apparently David had two phones. A black iPhone 4 and a Samsung Hero. As mentioned originally the resolution of the picture is too low to be sure what the object is but it could be a Samsung Hero which is a long, thin phone. It doesn't look like the end of the belt. Take another look. 10623425_709488982462163_1090058383342056131_o.jpg images.jpg

This doesn't contradict the police version that the black iPhone 4 was stolen by the perps. If they stole his iPhone, they must have gone through his pockets and would probably have picked his other phone and then dumped it on the sand leaving prints on it.

Yep, I didn't know there were two phones when I first commented. It could be a phone in the picture but it's pretty hard to tell.

[IslandLover]

bertty, on 06 Oct 2014 - 19:59, said:

rick182, on 06 Oct 2014 - 16:44, said:

Would it be weird of me to attend the funeral on friday even though I didnt know her?.. and yes the public are allowed are invited according to the paper

Sorry excuse my ignorance, but attend the funeral! You mean some sort of service on the island ?

Really I've been ou,t and a few pages behind.

Does that mean 100's of people will come to the island to pay there respects ?

And then the BIB will say 'tourists and back on the island'

As said before the more the BIB talk the bigger the hole becomes.

Hannah's funeral is taking place in the U.K. later this week.

[bigjules007]

I wish that parrot would stop his squawking, rather irritating.

Are you another part time Hasbara employee? Spreading vile propaganda for a living! I know your type mate, no moral compass, just a brainwashed sheep following the herd in total denial.

[Upsidedown1986]

The guys caught on convenience store - do not seem to be the same people they have arrested (other than maybe one???)

In Pic One - you can clearly see the guy in the red t-shirt is tallish - definitely not as small as the one they have arrested - they have just put him in the same t-shirt??

The guy in the ACTWO t-shirt was in the convenience store and I believe he was arrested however he is the one they have claimed went home early and did not commit the crime - (is he thai?)

As for the little one - I cannot tell.

In Picture Two - it doesn't even look like the guy in the red t-shirt is on the motorcycle.

They have just picked some burmese/myanmar at random surely as they can slightly pass as the ones spotted!

[bigjules007]

bertty, on 06 Oct 2014 - 19:59, said:

rick182, on 06 Oct 2014 - 16:44, said:

Would it be weird of me to attend the funeral on friday even though I didnt know her?.. and yes the public are allowed are invited according to the paper

Sorry excuse my ignorance, but attend the funeral! You mean some sort of service on the island ?

Really I've been ou,t and a few pages behind.

Does that mean 100's of people will come to the island to pay there respects ?

And then the BIB will say 'tourists and back on the island'

As said before the more the BIB talk the bigger the hole becomes.

Hannah's funeral is taking place in the U.K. later this week.

Like we keep saying this is a complete stitch up!!

[cowboy country]

Let's hypothetically say that it was the Headmans son who did this?

Usually murderers are repeat offenders.

He cannot possibly try to murder someone again because that would definitely nail the coffin in Koh Toa's tourist industry and ruin his dad's business and lose all their money.

But most importantly, why have we not heard anything from the other son or about the son? We've heard about Warot but what about the other one???

I've seen Waruts Facebook. He looks like a arrogant little idiot.

Thai food is my favourite cuisine and visiting there was in my bucket list. It has now been crossed off, and by many others I know too.

Who is the other son - He gets mentioned from time to time and was apparently present on the island. I've asked for a name / identity a couple of times but never seen an answer. Is it DJ Spicy FX?

Yes great question, here's abetter one...

Is the policeofficer in the crime scene, standing next to Mon his brother? It has been allegged he is his brother, a Koh Tao Policeman who was working in the station 50 metres from the crime,

Also, is the man shown in the photos published by Sean on FB reeally a poiliceman, conducting police work with MON....figure it out....the you can charge us social media...shame Thai police, local mafia etc....

[Strangebrew]

The words" Don't Thai me" comes to mind. Oh still got that bridge for sale if you believe this cr-p.

[gwenvo]

For all the guys living in Thailand - what uniform is this? Navy??

[katana]

This afternoon I saw Sorayuth on Channel 3 interviewing a police forensic scientist who was saying there was DNA found on Hannah's nipples from two males, neither of whom were David or the two suspects. I wonder what that is all about.

There is a Youtube clip in Thai of Khunying Pornthip saying the the Koh Tao case is a "cover-up" (kati ampran). Haven't seen any reports of that elsewhere.

The Porntip view of the investigation (a cover-up) was reported in Thairath a couple of days ago too.

[greenchair]

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3 people have gone very very quiet.

Sean. The owner and the son. Laying lower than low. Waiting , waiting .the suspense must be unbearable.

Are we gonna worm our Way out of this?

one of the people you just mentioned has updated their facebook cover photo yesterday. it now says "hello, goodbye".......

Does not surprise me.

It's not that hard for someone to quietly disappear off the radar. People should do their best to keep these 3 right up front and center.

[bigjules007]

For all the guys living in Thailand - what uniform is this? Navy??

This is just a government official uniform, such as a puyai bahn would wear

[bigjules007]

Someone who works at the ampur ( local government offices)