Koh Tao: Prosecutors unfazed by retraction of confession in British tourists' killing

[Franky Bear]

Seems the UK cops are on the ground inn Thailand now

http://www.itv.com/news/channel/update/2014-10-22/met-police-assisting-in-murder-investigation/

[northernjohn]

With all the support you people and the press are giving them why not take their confession back. You people are clueless. You only know what a news paper tells you. A source that only prints what you will buy. Not really great sources of information.

You each and every one of you are the type to say they are innocent until proven in court other wise. Yet here you are trying to stop it from going to court where they can be judged. All the investigators coming from England and Miramar are going to be able to do is make sure that the evidence is handled properly and the trial conducted in a legal manner.

Plus one other little known fact about the trial. When it is over you may be sure that legal will be done. Not necessarily justice. The two are completely different things. Does any one here remember O J Simpson?

[bertty]

Getting kind of sick the extent some are going to in order to defend the suspects who brutally murdered two innocent lives. Time to stop this nonsense with the conspiracy crap and let the case play out ... they have good lawyers and have both the UK and Myanmar officials who will be observing the case and evidence presented.

It has just gotten to the point of being sick the extent some are going to in either making BS up or just coming up with ridiculous theories and speculation based on ignorance about the facts of the case and born out of personal issues and feelings.

Oh look the alter ego is in. The man who has all the evidence in his hands that proves the 2 are indeed to real killers.

Why don't you hand over your evidence to the police JTJ Maybe you can give them the film you made when you were on the beach on the night in question.

It would then put a stop to all of our nonsense and you can stop feeling so sick.

[Gweiloman]

Betty...

I think you should look up the word "hyperbole"

JD,

Do you honestly believe that the two Burmese lads are the real perpetrators of this horrific crime or are you just playing the devil's advocate?

If it's the former, would you kindly share your thoughts as to why you are so convinced? The DNA evidence? Would this be the semen in the victim's orifice? Or the (alleged) presence somewhere else on Hannah's body (which COULD be explained by Muang Muang's post). Apart from this so called DNA evidence, I have not come across any other information (other than the recanted confession) that points to their guilt. Witnesses? One witness? The one that was also allegedly torture, was a suspect and subsequently released?

The information released thus far (by the police, I should add) has been extremely contradictory with many U turns (and no explanations for it) and to be frank, is downright unbelievable (except to some). Therefore it is no wonder that most of the TV members following this topic do not believe that the police have the right criminals in hand.

[jdinasia]

DNA, confessions, CCTV, phone, etc.

However I am not certain of guilt. That is what a trial is for.

[northernjohn]

Mr. Thawatchai said that Thai police will be able to answer every doubt raised but no outside authorities can send their people to work on this case as Thai laws do not permit such a scenario.

Please help me understand this properly.

So the British police are coming here in Thailand to have a chat and a cup of tea with the Thai police?

Will not be allowed to get DNA samples?

Am I reading this right?

If the thai police do not cooperate, as we all suspect, that will be the main conclusion in the British police report.

So the upshot will be another nail in the coffin for the reputation of Thailand. I know many posters like to claim Thailand is such a strong and successful country that it doesn't matter what anyone thinks of them. You are welcome to your opinions, everyone has opinions, just like everyone has certain bodily orifices. I have an opinion too, which is that reputation always matters and that Thailand needs the world a lot more than the world needs Thailand and the country will certainly pay a price for being considered backward, corrupt, disrespectful, dishonest, not deserving of trust and respect and not welcome within the circle of countries thought to be civilised and developed.

There are of course many countries that behave in a unacceptable manner. I am sure North Korea also thinks they are better than the rest of the world. The price they pay is misery. I am sure Putin thinks he is the master of the universe and Russia will be the number one world power....but just look at the Ruble and the plunging price of oil...both signs that his strategy of sending his Neanderthal thugs in to terrorize his neighbors is backfiring pretty badly. If Thailand wants to join the league of failed and disrespected nations then they will also pay a price.

Your secret plan for the foreign police to accumulate more DNA off the body is........................? Also you are probably new to Thailand and have absolutely not a single clue as to how difficult it is for them to translate Thai into English and maintain a neutral attitude to it.

The big question in my mind is why are most of the people so afraid to let it go to court? They have no proof either way other than what they have read in news papers that only print stuff that they will buy. To me that is a vicious circle. Like chasing their tail.

[elektrified]

"When asked about international concerns over the investigation, Mr. Thawatchai said that Thai police will be able to answer every doubt raised but no outside authorities can send their people to work on this case as Thai laws do not permit such a scenario."

The answers the BIB give to every doubt is the cause of international concern.

As to what Thai laws allow, you might want to check with the PM about that, as Burmese and UK police are coming over/already here to look at the case.

To observe as stated in the article. They are not here to investigate.

They will be investigating whether the RTP like it or not.

[transam]

Perhaps they should have waited till the Brit team arrived before making yet another statement...

[jdinasia]

"When asked about international concerns over the investigation, Mr. Thawatchai said that Thai police will be able to answer every doubt raised but no outside authorities can send their people to work on this case as Thai laws do not permit such a scenario."

The answers the BIB give to every doubt is the cause of international concern.

As to what Thai laws allow, you might want to check with the PM about that, as Burmese and UK police are coming over/already here to look at the case.

To observe as stated in the article. They are not here to investigate.

They will be investigating whether the RTP like it or not.

check out JLCrab's posts on what they can actually do. (from UK government websites)

[bertty]

DNA, confessions, CCTV, phone, etc.

However I am not certain of guilt. That is what a trial is for.

DNA A police story. confessions ? CCTV of some guys that looked Asian. phone (his, hers or whatever fits) etc, that will be the blond hair, the hoe, the CCTV of the guy who looked far more like someone else who might have been involved than the CCTV you are relying on, the wine bottle. The etc's go on and on.

However you are far more certain of guilt than the rest of us.

[JohnThailandJohn]

"When asked about international concerns over the investigation, Mr. Thawatchai said that Thai police will be able to answer every doubt raised but no outside authorities can send their people to work on this case as Thai laws do not permit such a scenario."

The answers the BIB give to every doubt is the cause of international concern.

As to what Thai laws allow, you might want to check with the PM about that, as Burmese and UK police are coming over/already here to look at the case.

To observe as stated in the article. They are not here to investigate.

They will be investigating whether the RTP like it or not.

Please stop, you are clueless about such things. Please do a little research.

[bertty]

Mr. Thawatchai said that Thai police will be able to answer every doubt raised but no outside authorities can send their people to work on this case as Thai laws do not permit such a scenario.

Please help me understand this properly.

So the British police are coming here in Thailand to have a chat and a cup of tea with the Thai police?

Will not be allowed to get DNA samples?

Am I reading this right?

If the thai police do not cooperate, as we all suspect, that will be the main conclusion in the British police report.

So the upshot will be another nail in the coffin for the reputation of Thailand. I know many posters like to claim Thailand is such a strong and successful country that it doesn't matter what anyone thinks of them. You are welcome to your opinions, everyone has opinions, just like everyone has certain bodily orifices. I have an opinion too, which is that reputation always matters and that Thailand needs the world a lot more than the world needs Thailand and the country will certainly pay a price for being considered backward, corrupt, disrespectful, dishonest, not deserving of trust and respect and not welcome within the circle of countries thought to be civilised and developed.

There are of course many countries that behave in a unacceptable manner. I am sure North Korea also thinks they are better than the rest of the world. The price they pay is misery. I am sure Putin thinks he is the master of the universe and Russia will be the number one world power....but just look at the Ruble and the plunging price of oil...both signs that his strategy of sending his Neanderthal thugs in to terrorize his neighbors is backfiring pretty badly. If Thailand wants to join the league of failed and disrespected nations then they will also pay a price.

Your secret plan for the foreign police to accumulate more DNA off the body is........................? Also you are probably new to Thailand and have absolutely not a single clue as to how difficult it is for them to translate Thai into English and maintain a neutral attitude to it.

The big question in my mind is why are most of the people so afraid to let it go to court? They have no proof either way other than what they have read in news papers that only print stuff that they will buy. To me that is a vicious circle. Like chasing their tail.

I have never bought a Newspaper in Thailand. I and I'm sure many others have formed our opinions from the headlines of this forum.

[petercool]

flame post removed

[elektrified]

Getting kind of sick the extent some are going to in order to defend the suspects who very likely brutally murdered two innocent lives. Time to stop this nonsense with the conspiracy crap and let the case play out ... they have good lawyers and have both the UK and Myanmar officials who will be observing the case and evidence presented.

It has just gotten to the point of being sick the extent some are going to in either making BS up or just coming up with ridiculous theories and speculation based on ignorance about the facts of the case and born out of personal issues and feelings.

Just pathetic some of the things said by folks who don't have a clue about the case or how the process of observation works or even the circumstances that one country would allow (ask) another country help in an investigation (as Thailand has and will continue to do when needed).

Everyone knows that they are nothing but scapegoats and the real killers are a spoiled kid and his gang of thugs. Thai police have a history of corrupt investigations, protecting the wealthy and powerful. The Burmese had no motive. No blood-spatter, nothing.

Looks like all the apologists are posting today, my guess getting paid to sit in front of the computer all day for their time. Who else would spend the time doing it?

[ianf]

I think it would be very easy for the BiB to pull the wool over the Brit police eyes. The land of smiles and it takes a while before you see behind that smile .....

[JohnThailandJohn]

DNA, confessions, CCTV, phone, etc.

However I am not certain of guilt. That is what a trial is for.

DNA A police story. confessions ? CCTV of some guys that looked Asian. phone (his, hers or whatever fits) etc, that will be the blond hair, the hoe, the CCTV of the guy who looked far more like someone else who might have been involved than the CCTV you are relying on, the wine bottle. The etc's go on and on.

However you are far more certain of guilt than the rest of us.

bertty - actually I hope you post more as it may enlighten others just how much they need to close their eyes to reality to continue with the conviction there has to be a conspiracy of dozens of people ... in order to protect a semi wealthy islander son. Those who don't see it never will regardless of the evidence that comes out or how it is confirmed.

Edited October 23, 2014 by JohnThailandJohn

[JohnThailandJohn]

I think it would be very easy for the BiB to pull the wool over the Brit police eyes. The land of smiles and it takes a while before you see behind that smile .....

But not Facebook or Thaivisa posters who have no access to see any evidence in context at this point

Edited October 23, 2014 by JohnThailandJohn

[elektrified]

Mr. Thawatchai said that Thai police will be able to answer every doubt raised but no outside authorities can send their people to work on this case as Thai laws do not permit such a scenario.

Please help me understand this properly.

So the British police are coming here in Thailand to have a chat and a cup of tea with the Thai police?

Will not be allowed to get DNA samples?

Am I reading this right?

If the thai police do not cooperate, as we all suspect, that will be the main conclusion in the British police report.

So the upshot will be another nail in the coffin for the reputation of Thailand. I know many posters like to claim Thailand is such a strong and successful country that it doesn't matter what anyone thinks of them. You are welcome to your opinions, everyone has opinions, just like everyone has certain bodily orifices. I have an opinion too, which is that reputation always matters and that Thailand needs the world a lot more than the world needs Thailand and the country will certainly pay a price for being considered backward, corrupt, disrespectful, dishonest, not deserving of trust and respect and not welcome within the circle of countries thought to be civilised and developed.

There are of course many countries that behave in a unacceptable manner. I am sure North Korea also thinks they are better than the rest of the world. The price they pay is misery. I am sure Putin thinks he is the master of the universe and Russia will be the number one world power....but just look at the Ruble and the plunging price of oil...both signs that his strategy of sending his Neanderthal thugs in to terrorize his neighbors is backfiring pretty badly. If Thailand wants to join the league of failed and disrespected nations then they will also pay a price.

Your secret plan for the foreign police to accumulate more DNA off the body is........................? Also you are probably new to Thailand and have absolutely not a single clue as to how difficult it is for them to translate Thai into English and maintain a neutral attitude to it.

The big question in my mind is why are most of the people so afraid to let it go to court? They have no proof either way other than what they have read in news papers that only print stuff that they will buy. To me that is a vicious circle. Like chasing their tail.

The British police will send fluent Thai and Burmese speakers. Not everyone is like you - been in Thailand for a few years but can't speak a word of Thai.

[Pi Sek]

The Thai hate the RTP police as much as anyone; my Thai colleagues are also disgusted by this whitewash.

Likewise.

[elektrified]

"When asked about international concerns over the investigation, Mr. Thawatchai said that Thai police will be able to answer every doubt raised but no outside authorities can send their people to work on this case as Thai laws do not permit such a scenario."

The answers the BIB give to every doubt is the cause of international concern.

As to what Thai laws allow, you might want to check with the PM about that, as Burmese and UK police are coming over/already here to look at the case.

To observe as stated in the article. They are not here to investigate.

They will be investigating whether the RTP like it or not.

Please stop, you are clueless about such things. Please do a little research.

I have done some research.

[bertty]

DNA, confessions, CCTV, phone, etc.

However I am not certain of guilt. That is what a trial is for.

DNA A police story. confessions ? CCTV of some guys that looked Asian. phone (his, hers or whatever fits) etc, that will be the blond hair, the hoe, the CCTV of the guy who looked far more like someone else who might have been involved than the CCTV you are relying on, the wine bottle. The etc's go on and on.

However you are far more certain of guilt than the rest of us.

berrry - actually I hope you post more as it may enlighten others just how much they need to close their eyes to reality to continue with the conviction there has to be a conspiracy of dozens of people ... in order to protect a semi wealthy islander son. Those who don't see it never will regardless of the evidence that comes out or how it is confirmed.

June, we all have our eyes wide open

P.s. how funny to spell someone nick name wrong. That's berrry and betty, you boys have such a great sense of humour.

[Costas2008]

Mr. Thawatchai said that Thai police will be able to answer every doubt raised but no outside authorities can send their people to work on this case as Thai laws do not permit such a scenario.

Please help me understand this properly.

So the British police are coming here in Thailand to have a chat and a cup of tea with the Thai police?

Will not be allowed to get DNA samples?

Am I reading this right?

If the thai police do not cooperate, as we all suspect, that will be the main conclusion in the British police report.

So the upshot will be another nail in the coffin for the reputation of Thailand. I know many posters like to claim Thailand is such a strong and successful country that it doesn't matter what anyone thinks of them. You are welcome to your opinions, everyone has opinions, just like everyone has certain bodily orifices. I have an opinion too, which is that reputation always matters and that Thailand needs the world a lot more than the world needs Thailand and the country will certainly pay a price for being considered backward, corrupt, disrespectful, dishonest, not deserving of trust and respect and not welcome within the circle of countries thought to be civilised and developed.

Your secret plan for the foreign police to accumulate more DNA off the body is........................? Also you are probably new to Thailand and have absolutely not a single clue as to how difficult it is for them to translate Thai into English and maintain a neutral attitude to it.

The big question in my mind is why are most of the people so afraid to let it go to court? They have no proof either way other than what they have read in news papers that only print stuff that they will buy. To me that is a vicious circle. Like chasing their tail.

"Your secret plan for the foreign police to accumulate more DNA off the body is........................?"

I haven't got any secret plan, and I believe that the British police have already got DNA from the victims.

But they still don't have any DNA from the so called killers.

Will they be allowed to obtain DNA from the Burmese?

And yes.....I'm new here.......only 7 years living in Thailand.

[JohnThailandJohn]

Mr. Thawatchai said that Thai police will be able to answer every doubt raised but no outside authorities can send their people to work on this case as Thai laws do not permit such a scenario.

Please help me understand this properly.

So the British police are coming here in Thailand to have a chat and a cup of tea with the Thai police?

Will not be allowed to get DNA samples?

Am I reading this right?

If the thai police do not cooperate, as we all suspect, that will be the main conclusion in the British police report.

So the upshot will be another nail in the coffin for the reputation of Thailand. I know many posters like to claim Thailand is such a strong and successful country that it doesn't matter what anyone thinks of them. You are welcome to your opinions, everyone has opinions, just like everyone has certain bodily orifices. I have an opinion too, which is that reputation always matters and that Thailand needs the world a lot more than the world needs Thailand and the country will certainly pay a price for being considered backward, corrupt, disrespectful, dishonest, not deserving of trust and respect and not welcome within the circle of countries thought to be civilised and developed.

Your secret plan for the foreign police to accumulate more DNA off the body is........................? Also you are probably new to Thailand and have absolutely not a single clue as to how difficult it is for them to translate Thai into English and maintain a neutral attitude to it.

The big question in my mind is why are most of the people so afraid to let it go to court? They have no proof either way other than what they have read in news papers that only print stuff that they will buy. To me that is a vicious circle. Like chasing their tail.

"Your secret plan for the foreign police to accumulate more DNA off the body is........................?"

I haven't got any secret plan, and I believe that the British police have already got DNA from the victims.

But they still don't have any DNA from the so called killers.

Will they be allowed to obtain DNA from the Burmese?

And yes.....I'm new here.......only 7 years living in Thailand.

Maybe the police planted the DNA they wanted on the victims before shipping them back home (of course assuming they didn't prepare the bodies including embalming them before shipping back as is required by airlines).

There is no way that any proof will not be discounted and ignored by those who simply want to defend these two rather than see the case be judged in a trial and by their lawyers who will have ALL the evidence to examine and challenge.

Edited October 23, 2014 by JohnThailandJohn

[jdinasia]

"When asked about international concerns over the investigation, Mr. Thawatchai said that Thai police will be able to answer every doubt raised but no outside authorities can send their people to work on this case as Thai laws do not permit such a scenario."

The answers the BIB give to every doubt is the cause of international concern.

As to what Thai laws allow, you might want to check with the PM about that, as Burmese and UK police are coming over/already here to look at the case.

To observe as stated in the article. They are not here to investigate.

They will be investigating whether the RTP like it or not.

Please stop, you are clueless about such things. Please do a little research.

I have done some research.

So you are aware of the convention on consular relationship? Also that the UK states they cannot conduct investigations on foreign sovereign soil?

[maxme]

The only reason this farce has continued without anyone in the current administration questioning it is because it goes way higher than a mob family.

The only question is why northernjohn, the bastion of pro-coup semantics and his fellow posters JTJ and jdinasia are against a new set of eyes looking into this mess. Surely we all after the truth, aren't we?

Edited October 23, 2014 by maxme

[jdinasia]

DNA, confessions, CCTV, phone, etc.

However I am not certain of guilt. That is what a trial is for.

DNA A police story. confessions ? CCTV of some guys that looked Asian. phone (his, hers or whatever fits) etc, that will be the blond hair, the hoe, the CCTV of the guy who looked far more like someone else who might have been involved than the CCTV you are relying on, the wine bottle. The etc's go on and on.

However you are far more certain of guilt than the rest of us.

berrry - actually I hope you post more as it may enlighten others just how much they need to close their eyes to reality to continue with the conviction there has to be a conspiracy of dozens of people ... in order to protect a semi wealthy islander son. Those who don't see it never will regardless of the evidence that comes out or how it is confirmed.

June, we all have our eyes wide open

P.s. how funny to spell someone nick name wrong. That's berrry and betty, you boys have such a great sense of humour.

Pardon, auto-fill error on my phone.

[Mooner]

DNA, confessions, CCTV, phone, etc.

However I am not certain of guilt. That is what a trial is for.

DNA=Agreed!!

Confessions=They don't read or speak Thai and their interpretor is a roti seller ( Unbelievable that a roti seller is doing this job in such a high profile case).

CCTV= Three guys on a bike(proves nothing!) What happened to the first CCTV running man suspect? Much taller and slender than these boys.

Phone= Found behind his dwellings. Worth about 3 months salary but decided to leave incriminating evidence so close to home.

Etc= ??

I do find it interesting that there is a photo of the boys standing in line for the first wave of DNA checks at the beginning of the case and no matches. Then we had a week or two of pissing around, searching for missing guys hiding in caves and the Nomsod saga then they get some CCTV footage and hey presto DNA match!

[Spartakos]

All hopes are that the Brits got their own DNA samples and this would put the lives of two Burmese out of danger if they are really innocent, but it's as far as this case will go. The real killers will never be catched.

"if they are really innocent " followed by"the real killers..."????

Have their guilt or innocence been proven yet? However the "real killers will never be catched" is my opinion.

[jdinasia]

All hopes are that the Brits got their own DNA samples and this would put the lives of two Burmese out of danger if they are really innocent, but it's as far as this case will go. The real killers will never be catched.

"if they are really innocent " followed by"the real killers..."????

Have their guilt or innocence been proven yet? However the "real killers will never be catched" is my opinion.

The 2 statements contradict each other.

[JohnThailandJohn]

DNA, confessions, CCTV, phone, etc.

However I am not certain of guilt. That is what a trial is for.

DNA=Agreed!!

Confessions=They don't read or speak Thai and their interpretor is a roti seller ( Unbelievable that a roti seller is doing this job in such a high profile case).

CCTV= Three guys on a bike(proves nothing!) What happened to the first CCTV running man suspect? Much taller and slender than these boys.

Phone= Found behind his dwellings. Worth about 3 months salary but decided to leave incriminating evidence so close to home.

Etc= ??

I do find it interesting that there is a photo of the boys standing in line for the first wave of DNA checks at the beginning of the case and no matches. Then we had a week or two of pissing around, searching for missing guys hiding in caves and the Nomsod saga then they get some CCTV footage and hey presto DNA match!

They have identified the guys on the bike as them.

If you read about the Phone, you would know they couldn't get his UK Phone unlocked and they gave it to a friend to destroy.

Also explained is that they took hundreds of DNA samples and they didn't have the manpower to check them all as there was a big back up but were putting those near the top of the people they suspected most (questioning).

They were looking for these guys from the get go to question as it was reported early on they were looking for those playing guitar and singing in a foreign tongue near the crime scene.

Probably tons of people in the hours of video around the time of the crime which the police only showed a small clip of as they tried to identify those who they couldn't and who they wanted to question for reasons they maybe have not shared like many many many things they have not shared but will in court.

If we close your eyes hard enough, then yea it seems like a set-up to protect the son of a well off islander who went on a murdering raping rampage and ejaculated with two separate semen DNA.

Edited October 23, 2014 by JohnThailandJohn