Just got kicked out of thai with valid visa

[thailiketoo]

Johnny dear, many people asked already, WHAT AIRPORT are you in, can you tell us please ..

thanks, and good luck, terrible experience I gues

Take a guess , Swampy ?.

The OP is making a point of being unclear; school name, official reasons stamped on passport, where this occurred and others are acting like they have inside information filling us in with the details.

If it was me I'd say where I was and who did what to me and take a photo from my cell phone of the stamps in my passport and my school verification and post everything.

The OP calls into question the ED visa and the schools process and may effect thousands of people in Thailand.

Of course we all can guess and give expert advice but what good does that do?

If you were on an ED visa wouldn't you want facts not second hand guesses?

[whybother]

Johnny dear, many people asked already, WHAT AIRPORT are you in, can you tell us please ..

thanks, and good luck, terrible experience I gues

Take a guess , Swampy ?.

The OP is making a point of being unclear; school name, official reasons stamped on passport, where this occurred and others are acting like they have inside information filling us in with the details.

If it was me I'd say where I was and who did what to me and take a photo from my cell phone of the stamps in my passport and my school verification and post everything.

The OP calls into question the ED visa and the schools process and may effect thousands of people in Thailand.

Of course we all can guess and give expert advice but what good does that do?

If you were on an ED visa wouldn't you want facts not second hand guesses?

I think the OP has made it pretty clear that he didn't really qualify for an ED visa. The thread is a warning to others that don't really qualify for ED visas.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/780216-just-got-kicked-out-of-thai-with-valid-visa/?p=8736343

[Anthony5]

Just found this post by the OP :

ED Visa with golf ?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/762843-ed-visa-with-golf/

That has been mentioned before in this topic. You should note it was posted in September. It is completely irrelevant at this time.

But in September the OP was in possession of an ED visa for at least 4 months already, as he clearly states in this thread that his visa was 7-8 months old.

[baboon]

Johnny dear, many people asked already, WHAT AIRPORT are you in, can you tell us please ..

thanks, and good luck, terrible experience I gues

Take a guess , Swampy ?.

The OP is making a point of being unclear; school name, official reasons stamped on passport, where this occurred and others are acting like they have inside information filling us in with the details.

If it was me I'd say where I was and who did what to me and take a photo from my cell phone of the stamps in my passport and my school verification and post everything.

The OP calls into question the ED visa and the schools process and may effect thousands of people in Thailand.

Of course we all can guess and give expert advice but what good does that do?

If you were on an ED visa wouldn't you want facts not second hand guesses?

Of course, but the problem is that nothing seems to be set in stone so guessing and speculation is going to be inevitable.

The thought of flying in from the UK, being turned away at the border and the prospect of enduring another flight straight back churns my stomach. An absolutely dreadful scenario I wouldn't wish on many...

Edited November 30, 2014 by baboon

[thailiketoo]

The OP is making a point of being unclear; school name, official reasons stamped on passport, where this occurred and others are acting like they have inside information filling us in with the details.

If it was me I'd say where I was and who did what to me and take a photo from my cell phone of the stamps in my passport and my school verification and post everything.

The OP calls into question the ED visa and the schools process and may effect thousands of people in Thailand.

Of course we all can guess and give expert advice but what good does that do?

If you were on an ED visa wouldn't you want facts not second hand guesses?

I think the OP has made it pretty clear that he didn't really qualify for an ED visa. The thread is a warning to others that don't really qualify for ED visas.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/780216-just-got-kicked-out-of-thai-with-valid-visa/?p=8736343

The OP, "I just got kicked out of thailand with an ED visa totally valid from waleen and a re entry."

Where does it say he didn't qualify?

Do you know the reason stamped on his passport for being kicked out of Thailand or where he was kicked out or by whom or what school he went to?

The OP posted, "get a tourist visa with at least 700 usd in cash," They told a Frenchman to have USD?

I do agree with you that the thread is a warning to others that don't qualify for ED visas but not from the OP.

[whybother]

Just found this post by the OP :

ED Visa with golf ?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/762843-ed-visa-with-golf/

That has been mentioned before in this topic. You should note it was posted in September. It is completely irrelevant at this time.

But in September the OP was in possession of an ED visa for at least 4 months already, as he clearly states in this thread that his visa was 7-8 months old.

The OP didn't go to classes "because he could already speak Thai well enough", so he knew he didn't qualify for the ED visa. He was looking for other alternatives.

[whybother]

I think the OP has made it pretty clear that he didn't really qualify for an ED visa. The thread is a warning to others that don't really qualify for ED visas.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/780216-just-got-kicked-out-of-thai-with-valid-visa/?p=8736343

The OP, "I just got kicked out of thailand with an ED visa totally valid from waleen and a re entry."

Where does it say he didn't qualify?

Do you know the reason stamped on his passport for being kicked out of Thailand or where he was kicked out or by whom or what school he went to?

The OP posted, "get a tourist visa with at least 700 usd in cash," They told a Frenchman to have USD?

I do agree with you that the thread is a warning to others that don't qualify for ED visas but not from the OP.

The post I linked to indicates that he didn't qualify:

I was here for 8 years on marriage visa but got divorced so i applied for student visa. I dont attend classes as i already speak thai good enough and that was fine until recently. They said they believed that i was working here. I dont work really in thailand i have income from a business in HK. My Ed visa was 7 or 8 month old. Im on the airplane now leaving for Paris.

The "insufficient funds" reason stamped in his passport was not the real reason he was denied entry. Johnny said that the Imm officer told him that 6 months is enough to learn to read and write Thai.

[thailiketoo]

Just found this post by the OP :

ED Visa with golf ?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/762843-ed-visa-with-golf/

That has been mentioned before in this topic. You should note it was posted in September. It is completely irrelevant at this time.

But in September the OP was in possession of an ED visa for at least 4 months already, as he clearly states in this thread that his visa was 7-8 months old.

The OP didn't go to classes "because he could already speak Thai well enough", so he knew he didn't qualify for the ED visa. He was looking for other alternatives.

What are the qualifications, from the immigration department, for an ED visa?

Seems to me he thought he was qualified for an ED visa (I dont attend classes as i already speak thai good enough and that was fine) and had one until the immigration officer (somewhere) disagreed with his interpretation of some rules (by some school somewhere).

Do schools in Thailand have to teach a person to read and write Thai in 6 months and if so what is the test and are there no extensions? Is that the new expiration for ED visas do they only last 6 months?

Edited November 30, 2014 by thailiketoo

[whybother]

What are the qualifications, from the immigration department, for an ED visa?

Seems to me he thought he was qualified for an ED visa (I dont attend classes as i already speak thai good enough and that was fine) and had one until the immigration officer (somewhere) disagreed with his interpretation of some rules (by some school somewhere).

According to the OP, reading and writing Thai after 6 months is a requirement.

He said that he doesn't attend classes because he speaks Thai well enough. That doesn't make you qualified for an ED visa. Attending classes would be a requirement for an ED visa.

edit: I would suggest that there were other things that brought this guy to the attention of immigration. Not being able to read or write ANY Thai might have been the icing on the cake.

Edited November 30, 2014 by whybother

[thailiketoo]

What are the qualifications, from the immigration department, for an ED visa?

Seems to me he thought he was qualified for an ED visa (I dont attend classes as i already speak thai good enough and that was fine) and had one until the immigration officer (somewhere) disagreed with his interpretation of some rules (by some school somewhere).

According to the OP, reading and writing Thai after 6 months is a requirement.

He said that he doesn't attend classes because he speaks Thai well enough. That doesn't make you qualified for an ED visa. Attending classes would be a requirement for an ED visa.

Why would you have to be qualified to get an ED visa? Isn't the point to learn Thai? I would have a Visa from the first day I got the visa but obviously not able to speak Thai after one day of classes but I would still have a Visa. Where can one find the rules for learning Thai with an ED visa?

What you are saying is (I think) he would have been qualified to have an ED visa for 5 months and 29 days but by the passage of 6 months he would have to read and write Thai?

Where do you get the information about what is or is not a requirement for an ED visa? For example do you actually have to attend classes or is enough to have a certificate that you attend classes? Where can one view the test that immigration gives to determine qualification for an ED visa? At what intervals do they administer this test?

You wrote, "edit: I would suggest that there were other things that brought this guy to the attention of immigration. Not being able to read or write ANY Thai might have been the icing on the cake."

I would agree but how do you know? Don't you think the OP might tell us what the real circumstances were if we asked nicely?

Edited November 30, 2014 by thailiketoo

[jacksam]

Many of these problems would not occur if schools enforced attendance and students had some sort of current attendance record. Of course wouldn't work because the schools would just falsify the record.

How many people on ED visas are using them for intended purpose. Is it 50% or way less?

[bkkcanuck8]

What are the qualifications, from the immigration department, for an ED visa?

Seems to me he thought he was qualified for an ED visa (I dont attend classes as i already speak thai good enough and that was fine) and had one until the immigration officer (somewhere) disagreed with his interpretation of some rules (by some school somewhere).

According to the OP, reading and writing Thai after 6 months is a requirement.

He said that he doesn't attend classes because he speaks Thai well enough. That doesn't make you qualified for an ED visa. Attending classes would be a requirement for an ED visa.

edit: I would suggest that there were other things that brought this guy to the attention of immigration. Not being able to read or write ANY Thai might have been the icing on the cake.

I don't think the attendance issue is a new one, just a newly enforced on. The school I went to had me sign attendance records 4 or 5 years ago, and they required around 10 hours before they would process the visa request. They were limited to one year only at that school - which may mean that it was under more scrutiny -- maybe newer.... Thought from what I saw most of their students were actually here on work permits, so it was not a fly by night school for the sole purpose of ED visa scams.

[whybother]

What are the qualifications, from the immigration department, for an ED visa?

Seems to me he thought he was qualified for an ED visa (I dont attend classes as i already speak thai good enough and that was fine) and had one until the immigration officer (somewhere) disagreed with his interpretation of some rules (by some school somewhere).

According to the OP, reading and writing Thai after 6 months is a requirement.

He said that he doesn't attend classes because he speaks Thai well enough. That doesn't make you qualified for an ED visa. Attending classes would be a requirement for an ED visa.

Why would you have to be qualified to get an ED visa? Isn't the point to learn Thai? I would have a Visa from the first day I got the visa but obviously not able to speak Thai after one day of classes but I would still have a Visa. Where can one find the rules for learning Thai with an ED visa?

What you are saying is (I think) he would have been qualified to have an ED visa for 5 months and 29 days but by the passage of 6 months he would have to read and write Thai?

Where do you get the information about what is or is not a requirement for an ED visa? For example do you actually have to attend classes or is enough to have a certificate that you attend classes? Where can one view the test that immigration gives to determine qualification for an ED visa? At what intervals do they administer this test?

You wrote, "edit: I would suggest that there were other things that brought this guy to the attention of immigration. Not being able to read or write ANY Thai might have been the icing on the cake."

I would agree but how do you know? Don't you think the OP might tell us what the real circumstances were if we asked nicely?

* sigh *

edit: The OP said that he had a business in HK. I would think that he traveled to HK regularly. He was previously on a non-imm O (Marriage). Going from that to an education visa would raise some interest.

Although probably not a fixed requirement, the idea of an education visa is so you can attend classes. If you're not attending classes, then why would you want an education visa?

Edited November 30, 2014 by whybother

[bkkcanuck8]

Many of these problems would not occur if schools enforced attendance and students had some sort of current attendance record. Of course wouldn't work because the schools would just falsify the record.

How many people on ED visas are using them for intended purpose. Is it 50% or way less?

It might if their were less corruption (tighter real oversight), and the penalty was the loss of Ministry approval... i.e. loss of business.

[oldsailor35]

Just saw the post. Have to check it. We have students all over the country and if that is true then that would be the very first case. Maybe there is more to it.

Excuse me mate, you are rather late !

However you are welcome, hope you can contact your student in France.

[thailiketoo]

* sigh *

Any good news story asks, Who, What, When, Where, Why and How.

Who kicked him out?

What for?

When?

Where?

Why?

How?

[DaffyDuck]

Hi guys,

In France now, i tried to keep you updated using the on air wifi but it was too slow to post.

I flew with emirates. I asked at Dubai stop what happened and they said "Deportation because of insufficient funds, very strange".

The official "thing" is insufficient funds.

Saves you face - you didn't get PNG status, or any other status you couldn't recover from.

[whybother]

* sigh *

Any good news story asks, Who, What, When, Where, Why and How.

Who kicked him out?

What for?

When?

Where?

Why?

How?

A lot of that has been answered. Some of it you read between the lines. Some of it you have to do your own investigation.

[DaffyDuck]

Also, let's be honest - the OP also had ample opportunity to learn to speak and read/write Thai during his prior 8 years that he lived in the country, while married to a Thai. He also stated that he did not feel like attending classes, because he knew how to speak Thai to whatever degree he felt was passable.

The fact is simply that he used the ED visa to skirt having to get a regular visa, and was abusing the visa process. He was (unfortunately) caught, and the immigration officer was perform their lawful duty. Case closed.

If the official reason given is 'insufficient funds' (a porte-manteau reason, I would think), then all he needs to do next time is arrive with a suitcase of money.

[kerrysum]

Is it me or what?

You are entering a country to teach what language, English? I talked about this with Thai friends in Thailand before... Parents are upset, that they spend the money to teach their children, English. Yet when the child comes home, they speak thai dialect.... This is not some obsurd malfeasance.

My wife has gone to English classes here in the USA, was, and I meant was very good at it! Straight A student in college.... Then she hangs with people from her country, and only speaks thai. Step-daughter same way.... So what is the purpose anymore? Just a thought... Sorry to hear of your misfortune, but when Thais enter this country, mai pen rai.....

[harrry]

If he needed $700 US he obviously had this much available as he was able to purchase a ticket to France.(Return?)

[bkkcanuck8]

* sigh *

edit: The OP said that he had a business in HK. I would think that he traveled to HK regularly. He was previously on a non-imm O (Marriage). Going from that to an education visa would raise some interest.

Although probably not a fixed requirement, the idea of an education visa is so you can attend classes. If you're not attending classes, then why would you want an education visa?

Generally speaking, going from one that could be considered a "permanent type" visa to a "temporary one" (yes I know legally here in Thailand they are both temporary) would raise flags in most countries. A lot of what immigration does is to determine what your intent is and whether the intent matches the intent and purpose of the visa issued. As long as it does there is a level of discretion that is given immigration officers.

You would have problems in the US as well doing that -- because a lot of what immigration is trying to do is determine intent and whether it matches the intent of the visa. In the US they would see that your intent is permanent, but you are trying to skirt the system by using a visa whose intent is temporary and they would deny you entry (there is only one visa that allows for dual intent).

Here the intent is temporary, and the purpose is for education.... while the immigration probably has determined his intent is permanent and the purpose is anything but education...

[bkkcanuck8]

If he needed $700 US he obviously had this much available as he was able to purchase a ticket to France.(Return?)

The cash requirements are just that cash requirements.... not ATM cards, not bank books, not Thai bank books, not credit cards.... Travellers cheques would be acceptable though. There is no requirement for them to "escort you to an ATM". The rest is discretion.

[jacksam]

This OP , if real, is just a classic example of someone abusing the ed visa rules and got caught out.

Get a visa come back if you wish.

[Timwin]

Also, let's be honest - the OP also had ample opportunity to learn to speak and read/write Thai during his prior 8 years that he lived in the country, while married to a Thai. He also stated that he did not feel like attending classes, because he knew how to speak Thai to whatever degree he felt was passable.

The fact is simply that he used the ED visa to skirt having to get a regular visa, and was abusing the visa process. He was (unfortunately) caught, and the immigration officer was perform their lawful duty. Case closed.

Could you point out where in the tourist visa or any other visa except ED it says "you must learn Thai"?! Your kinds of <deleted> really piss me off. Where the <deleted> you came from...go back there. I can help you pack without any extra charge.

[bkkcanuck8]

Also, let's be honest - the OP also had ample opportunity to learn to speak and read/write Thai during his prior 8 years that he lived in the country, while married to a Thai. He also stated that he did not feel like attending classes, because he knew how to speak Thai to whatever degree he felt was passable.

The fact is simply that he used the ED visa to skirt having to get a regular visa, and was abusing the visa process. He was (unfortunately) caught, and the immigration officer was perform their lawful duty. Case closed.

Could you point out where in the tourist visa or any other visa except ED it says "you must learn Thai"?! Your kinds of <deleted> really piss me off. Where the <deleted> you came from...go back there. I can help you pack without any extra charge.

There is no requirement to "learn thai" on any other visa... BUT... he had switched to an ED visa after being here for 8 years.... which if I were immigration would raise some big red flags, since it would seem to indicate that his intent was not to learn -- he had shown no interest in learning in the 8 years prior, and it would also indicate his intent is not temporary. The history of him living here for 8 years and not learning anything can certainly be taken into account by immigration.

Edited November 30, 2014 by bkkcanuck8

[DaffyDuck]

Also, let's be honest - the OP also had ample opportunity to learn to speak and read/write Thai during his prior 8 years that he lived in the country, while married to a Thai. He also stated that he did not feel like attending classes, because he knew how to speak Thai to whatever degree he felt was passable.

The fact is simply that he used the ED visa to skirt having to get a regular visa, and was abusing the visa process. He was (unfortunately) caught, and the immigration officer was perform their lawful duty. Case closed.

Could you point out where in the tourist visa or any other visa except ED it says "you must learn Thai"?! Your kinds of really <deleted> me off. Where the you came from...go back there. I can help you pack without any extra charge.

As has been pointed out by several others, if he had enrolled in a course for a different language, or a course for a different specialty, he could have avoided this (as such other courses are also offered for an ED visa), yet the OP didn't do that. He, like many others, enrolled in a Thai language course, and by his own admission, never went to classes, just procured himself a visa.

That is called abusing the visa privilege. He could have just as easily have procured himself a multiple entry tourist visa, which could have been good for up to 360 days. He chose not to do so.

Please don't act so self-righteously, or attempt to argue for non-existent loopholes. If anyone should annoy people, it's people like you. Carrying the OP's torch, as you attempt to do, only makes you look silly.

[brianp0803]

Waleen

You said you were on an ED visa for about 7 - 8 months but didn't attend class.

Did you have to get 90 day extension?

Did immigration say anything about the attendance report in your extension paperwork?

How were you successful to maintain your Ed visa without attending classes?

[oldsailor35]

I actually saw that I while ago, which would make it 3 months into his ED visa.... which apparently he was having trouble learning Thai so maybe he wanted to change it into something that he was more easily able to learn

I would have trouble learning if I didn't go to classes too.

Did'nt you read his earlier post. He has been here 8 years on a marriage visa and can understand and speak Thai !

[Timwin]

As has been pointed out by several others, if he had enrolled in a course for a different language, or a course for a different specialty, he could have avoided this (as such other courses are also offered for an ED visa), yet the OP didn't do that. He, like many others, enrolled in a Thai language course, and by his own admission, never went to classes, just procured himself a visa.

That is called abusing the visa privilege. He could have just as easily have procured himself a multiple entry tourist visa, which could have been good for up to 360 days. He chose not to do so.

What part of "I can understand and speak Thai" you did not understand? Even if he had participated every class during the first half year, he still would not been able to write Thai because shools do not teach you to write during the first year except few rare exceptions.

So his situation would have been exactly the same. He probably went to a couple of first lessons and found it too elementary.

<Flame/baiting remark removed>

Edited November 30, 2014 by SeaVisionBurma