Family of Brits murdered in Thailand say evidence convincing

[boomerangutang]

The Gang of 4 are understandably spooked by the KT video of the thin shirtless man. The video can't be changed. Lots of other potential evidence can be altered to suit what officials and the Headman want us to believe:

>>> Nomsod's father saying his son returned to Bangkok on Monday morning
>>> the alibi photo with the furniture missing
>>> statements by witnesses
>>> position/existance of shorts on beach
>>> various phones found behind the scapegoats' shack
>>> DNA trail. Just one person could change the DNA typing attributed to that found on Hannah.

But the video is like an arrow carved in rock - and it points to Nomsod in several ways. Too bad Thai officialdom is dead set shielding the Headman's people against ever being suspects. It would be interesting, and would contribute to the overall safety of tourists on the island, if they were pursued. If the evidence holds up against them, they should be found guilty and sentenced to the harshest penalties the law provides. It would also be interesting to find out whether money/gifts were offered to top brass in the case, and how much. Merry Christmas.

[AleG]

The Gang of 4 are understandably spooked by the KT video of the thin shirtless man. The video can't be changed. Lots of other potential evidence can be altered to suit what officials and the Headman want us to believe:

>>> Nomsod's father saying his son returned to Bangkok on Monday morning

>>> the alibi photo with the furniture missing

>>> statements by witnesses

>>> position/existance of shorts on beach

>>> various phones found behind the scapegoats' shack

>>> DNA trail. Just one person could change the DNA typing attributed to that found on Hannah.

But the video is like an arrow carved in rock - and it points to Nomsod in several ways. Too bad Thai officialdom is dead set shielding the Headman's people against ever being suspects. It would be interesting, and would contribute to the overall safety of tourists on the island, if they were pursued. If the evidence holds up against them, they should be found guilty and sentenced to the harshest penalties the law provides. It would also be interesting to find out whether money/gifts were offered to top brass in the case, and how much. Merry Christmas.

I, for one, think you are grasping at a straws. The only reason you "see" Nomsod in that video is because you really, really want to; it doesn't even make sense within the scope of your conspiracy theories, if that CCTV footage showed Nomsod so clearly, why did the police (who are trying to protect the real killers after all ) release it publicly so that everyone could "see" Nomsod running around?

[thailandchilli]

Some people here seem to think social media were the first ones who named and identified Nomsod as the running man in the cctv and as a result call it part of the conspiracy theory.

Oh well, then its a conspiracy theory started by the RTP who were in fact the first people to identify him in the cctv

The police have arrested a suspect in the murder of two British tourists in Koh Tao and are still hunting for a second suspect who has escaped into Bangkok.

Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon.

He is the brother of a village headman in Koh Tao.

He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said.

He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman. But he has already to Bangkok.

He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders. http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/one-tourist-murder-suspect-now-arrested-another-run

Of course things drastically changed when he was taken off the case for whatever reason.

Edited December 23, 2014 by thailandchilli

[gemini81]

Some people here seem to think social media were the first ones who named and identified Nomsod as the running man in the cctv and as a result call it part of the conspiracy theory.

Oh well, then its a conspiracy theory started by the RTP who were in fact the first people to identify him in the cctv

The police have arrested a suspect in the murder of two British tourists in Koh Tao and are still hunting for a second suspect who has escaped into Bangkok.

Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon.

He is the brother of a village headman in Koh Tao.

He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said.

He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman. But he has already to Bangkok.

He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders. http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/one-tourist-murder-suspect-now-arrested-another-run

Of course things drastically changed when he was taken off the case for whatever reason.

The only real 'conspiracy' is the official police claim which no one could be gullible enough to fall for.

[StealthEnergiser]

So a response at last from the UK police just announced by Andy Hall. Confirms the UK police did very little and raises serious questions about the statements from the families: https://twitter.com/atomicalandy

One part of the response strikes me as especially bizarre. They state that no help for the defense (in potentially avoiding the execution of the accused) could be offered because, under Thai law, the charges potentially carry the death penalty!

Apparently, though, it is fine to facilitate statements (by the families) that make a guilty verdict more likely.

This is UK diplomacy at its worst. They will do nothing that risks the larger relationship with Thailand.

This is what gripes me.

The families say the evidence is convincing yet the UK police have told the lawyers defense team that they didn't really investigate much. This stinks to high heaven.

The evidence is convincing? This is probably what the Thai Police relayed to the UK Detectives.. hence the quote from the victim's families..

Total waste of time... UK Detectives going to Thailand... -IMO

This clip is interesting...

from a Facebook site

Sondhi: "I want to make a point here about the incident on Koh Tao. These are my own assumptions, based on the information I have. By the way, I don’t really like sharing my opinion on this matter...

But, the local police didn’t dare to catch the real culprits (because they are on the island). And they know who (did it)! It's not that they didn’t know.

To put it bluntly, it's a small island...as small as a foot.

So why wouldn’t they (the police), along with all the local people, know?

But, because of the mafia presence on the island; the police are prevented from doing their normal duties. Instead, some police are assisting the mafia (the mafia shares their business).

The police had already chosen to help the real culprits when the case began (early in the case).

Then, there was manipulation of evidence (and finding scapegoats?). But we shouldn’t talk about that matter now.

Basically, the police started the case with the basis of intent being to exclude and protect the real culprits from the case.

So, the investigation started with faulty assumptions from the onset. When the case reached the point...

But the Koh Tao case is an international case. So it made Police General Somyot Poompanmuang or General Prayud’s police colleagues become restless, including General Prawit Wongsuwan - since he is the Chairman of the Office of the Police Commission (as well as the Deputy Prime Minister).

That was why they assigned Police General Jaktip Chaijinda to deal with the case.

Jakthip Chaijinda is the kind of police general who came into his high position by the support of high ranking police officers, not at all by his own competence.

Jaktip wanted to please his bosses. His boss now is not General Somyot Poompanmuang. That was only one, but there are two - the two biggest bosses.

One is General Prawit Wongsuwan. He knew that if he could please Prawit, it meant that he would also please General Prayud.

That's why Jaktip came out and took care of the case.

I assume that Jaktip only received information about the case from the local police in the south region.

So, when the information General Jaktip received was like "this and this and this..", then the story must continue on like "this and this and this".

That's why the Burmese were caught.

When the Burmese were caught, Jaktip was certain the Burmese were the right suspects; because he believed the information the local police gave him was true.

Because Jaktip lives in Bangkok, he did not have any information on the case. So he just relied on the local police, who are his colleagues. So, he kept the Burmese suspects.

As we've talked about before, they wanted to make Sean as the original scapegoat; but Sean was smart.

Sean brought his friend, a journalist, with him to the police station. So the police were afraid.

Well, Sean didn’t do it and the evidence didn’t lead to him. So he went back to his country.

Jaktip, who kept the Burmese as suspects, wanted to show off his power. Don’t you notice that the Burmese were put into spotlight? This was done after General Prawit said that he has made an order for police to find the culprits as soon as possible.

Then after two days, the police had suddenly found the culprits.

It was clear that Jaktip wanted to please General Prawit (by making Prawit look good).

The quick capture after Prawit's order made the public think the culprits wouldn't have been caught without the order of the Chairman of the Police Commission Board... Just to give credit to the Chairman, General Prawit.

Now, who is brother “Pom” (Prawit)? “Pom“ (Prawit) is the big brother of Prayud.

If Prayud wanted information about the case, brother “Pom” (Prawit) had to ask General Jaktip."

[berybert]

The Gang of 4 are understandably spooked by the KT video of the thin shirtless man. The video can't be changed. Lots of other potential evidence can be altered to suit what officials and the Headman want us to believe:

>>> Nomsod's father saying his son returned to Bangkok on Monday morning

>>> the alibi photo with the furniture missing

>>> statements by witnesses

>>> position/existance of shorts on beach

>>> various phones found behind the scapegoats' shack

>>> DNA trail. Just one person could change the DNA typing attributed to that found on Hannah.

But the video is like an arrow carved in rock - and it points to Nomsod in several ways. Too bad Thai officialdom is dead set shielding the Headman's people against ever being suspects. It would be interesting, and would contribute to the overall safety of tourists on the island, if they were pursued. If the evidence holds up against them, they should be found guilty and sentenced to the harshest penalties the law provides. It would also be interesting to find out whether money/gifts were offered to top brass in the case, and how much. Merry Christmas.

I, for one, think you are grasping at a straws. The only reason you "see" Nomsod in that video is because you really, really want to; it doesn't even make sense within the scope of your conspiracy theories, if that CCTV footage showed Nomsod so clearly, why did the police (who are trying to protect the real killers after all ) release it publicly so that everyone could "see" Nomsod running around?

The only reason he saw Nomsod was because a policeman said it was Nomsod. The video was released before that policeman was taken off the case.

You need to re-read the start of the case.

[JohnThailandJohn]

The Gang of 4 are understandably spooked by the KT video of the thin shirtless man. The video can't be changed. Lots of other potential evidence can be altered to suit what officials and the Headman want us to believe:

>>> Nomsod's father saying his son returned to Bangkok on Monday morning

>>> the alibi photo with the furniture missing

>>> statements by witnesses

>>> position/existance of shorts on beach

>>> various phones found behind the scapegoats' shack

>>> DNA trail. Just one person could change the DNA typing attributed to that found on Hannah.

But the video is like an arrow carved in rock - and it points to Nomsod in several ways. Too bad Thai officialdom is dead set shielding the Headman's people against ever being suspects. It would be interesting, and would contribute to the overall safety of tourists on the island, if they were pursued. If the evidence holds up against them, they should be found guilty and sentenced to the harshest penalties the law provides. It would also be interesting to find out whether money/gifts were offered to top brass in the case, and how much. Merry Christmas.

I, for one, think you are grasping at a straws. The only reason you "see" Nomsod in that video is because you really, really want to; it doesn't even make sense within the scope of your conspiracy theories, if that CCTV footage showed Nomsod so clearly, why did the police (who are trying to protect the real killers after all ) release it publicly so that everyone could "see" Nomsod running around?

The only reason he saw Nomsod was because a policeman said it was Nomsod. The video was released before that policeman was taken off the case.

You need to re-read the start of the case.

But police have now made very clear it is not him. So, why go on and on about this?

Police shared too much of their suspicions and what they thought were leads at the start of the case. There were many that didn't pan out until they got the two in custody and matched their DNA to the semen in one of the victims.

[AleG]

The Gang of 4 are understandably spooked by the KT video of the thin shirtless man. The video can't be changed. Lots of other potential evidence can be altered to suit what officials and the Headman want us to believe:

>>> Nomsod's father saying his son returned to Bangkok on Monday morning

>>> the alibi photo with the furniture missing

>>> statements by witnesses

>>> position/existance of shorts on beach

>>> various phones found behind the scapegoats' shack

>>> DNA trail. Just one person could change the DNA typing attributed to that found on Hannah.

But the video is like an arrow carved in rock - and it points to Nomsod in several ways. Too bad Thai officialdom is dead set shielding the Headman's people against ever being suspects. It would be interesting, and would contribute to the overall safety of tourists on the island, if they were pursued. If the evidence holds up against them, they should be found guilty and sentenced to the harshest penalties the law provides. It would also be interesting to find out whether money/gifts were offered to top brass in the case, and how much. Merry Christmas.

I, for one, think you are grasping at a straws. The only reason you "see" Nomsod in that video is because you really, really want to; it doesn't even make sense within the scope of your conspiracy theories, if that CCTV footage showed Nomsod so clearly, why did the police (who are trying to protect the real killers after all ) release it publicly so that everyone could "see" Nomsod running around?

The only reason he saw Nomsod was because a policeman said it was Nomsod. The video was released before that policeman was taken off the case.

You need to re-read the start of the case.

Still, the footage is still (as far as I know), part of the evidence the police is using in the case, why if it is so clear that Nomsod is in it would they use it?

The answer is, that Nomsod is not on that video, and only through self-deception would anyone claim he is.

[BoristheBlade]

If the stories about the non investigation/ inept enquiries by the British Police are true, I am certain I made the right choice in leaving the UK.

To say I am shamed by my country is an understatement.

And for certain the statement by the families is strange and ill-timed.

There grief must be horrific, but they have got it very wrong...two more innocent lives are in danger.

[Mooner]

The Gang of 4 are understandably spooked by the KT video of the thin shirtless man. The video can't be changed. Lots of other potential evidence can be altered to suit what officials and the Headman want us to believe:

>>> Nomsod's father saying his son returned to Bangkok on Monday morning

>>> the alibi photo with the furniture missing

>>> statements by witnesses

>>> position/existance of shorts on beach

>>> various phones found behind the scapegoats' shack

>>> DNA trail. Just one person could change the DNA typing attributed to that found on Hannah.

But the video is like an arrow carved in rock - and it points to Nomsod in several ways. Too bad Thai officialdom is dead set shielding the Headman's people against ever being suspects. It would be interesting, and would contribute to the overall safety of tourists on the island, if they were pursued. If the evidence holds up against them, they should be found guilty and sentenced to the harshest penalties the law provides. It would also be interesting to find out whether money/gifts were offered to top brass in the case, and how much. Merry Christmas.

I, for one, think you are grasping at a straws. The only reason you "see" Nomsod in that video is because you really, really want to; it doesn't even make sense within the scope of your conspiracy theories, if that CCTV footage showed Nomsod so clearly, why did the police (who are trying to protect the real killers after all ) release it publicly so that everyone could "see" Nomsod running around?

The only reason he saw Nomsod was because a policeman said it was Nomsod. The video was released before that policeman was taken off the case.

You need to re-read the start of the case.

Its hard to tell 100% that is sure. My GF said some Thai people actually believe it's Mon in the CCTV. Too tall for the B2 that's for sure!!

[JohnThailandJohn]

So in addition to the police in Thailand being inept and correct and taking part in a conspiracy, we now need to add that the UK Authorities don't care about seeking the truth and the UK officials are part of the conspiracy telling UK investigators to go along or maybe the UK Investigators are just too stupid and no match for the more superior Thai police. We also need to add that UK investigators then went on to mislead the family about the evidence to make them think everything was rosey with the evidence against these two even though they didn't have a clue, we covering for Thailand or just plain stupid but good at lying.

Exciting to see how far people can continue with these conspiracy based theories before they realize they have gone beyond the realm of anything remotely sensible.

Two people hailing from a brutal nation where violence and rape is condoned by authorities have been arrested for a violent double murder and rape and the evidence, including their DNA matching semen in the victim. Police interviewed hundreds of people and accused many before finally making an arrest of these two and coming up with matching DNA of two who were witnessed and admitted to being in around the scene at the time of the murders. A witnesses also confirms they were in possession of a victims's phone.

I would say let the case play out in court but of course we will soon be reading how the judges are part of the conspiracy too -- all to protect the son of a tiny island headsman who police had absolutely no problem publicly naming as their main suspect, as they did others, before clearing him .. as they did others.

[greenchair]

The Gang of 4 are understandably spooked by the KT video of the thin shirtless man. The video can't be changed. Lots of other potential evidence can be altered to suit what officials and the Headman want us to believe:

>>> Nomsod's father saying his son returned to Bangkok on Monday morning

>>> the alibi photo with the furniture missing

>>> statements by witnesses

>>> position/existance of shorts on beach

>>> various phones found behind the scapegoats' shack

>>> DNA trail. Just one person could change the DNA typing attributed to that found on Hannah.

But the video is like an arrow carved in rock - and it points to Nomsod in several ways. Too bad Thai officialdom is dead set shielding the Headman's people against ever being suspects. It would be interesting, and would contribute to the overall safety of tourists on the island, if they were pursued. If the evidence holds up against them, they should be found guilty and sentenced to the harshest penalties the law provides. It would also be interesting to find out whether money/gifts were offered to top brass in the case, and how much. Merry Christmas.

I, for one, think you are grasping at a straws. The only reason you "see" Nomsod in that video is because you really, really want to; it doesn't even make sense within the scope of your conspiracy theories, if that CCTV footage showed Nomsod so clearly, why did the police (who are trying to protect the real killers after all ) release it publicly so that everyone could "see" Nomsod running around?

That video was released very early on. At that time nomsod, mon, nomsod brother were suspects. Quote from police 'we have arrested one suspect. 2 have fled to bkk. One has been picked up and the other is on the run' 'we have strong evidence including cctv of one of the suspects. Then the new cop came in. That video has not been mentioned since. Except on TV of course. We not forget.

[JohnThailandJohn]

The Gang of 4 are understandably spooked by the KT video of the thin shirtless man. The video can't be changed. Lots of other potential evidence can be altered to suit what officials and the Headman want us to believe:

>>> Nomsod's father saying his son returned to Bangkok on Monday morning

>>> the alibi photo with the furniture missing

>>> statements by witnesses

>>> position/existance of shorts on beach

>>> various phones found behind the scapegoats' shack

>>> DNA trail. Just one person could change the DNA typing attributed to that found on Hannah.

But the video is like an arrow carved in rock - and it points to Nomsod in several ways. Too bad Thai officialdom is dead set shielding the Headman's people against ever being suspects. It would be interesting, and would contribute to the overall safety of tourists on the island, if they were pursued. If the evidence holds up against them, they should be found guilty and sentenced to the harshest penalties the law provides. It would also be interesting to find out whether money/gifts were offered to top brass in the case, and how much. Merry Christmas.

I, for one, think you are grasping at a straws. The only reason you "see" Nomsod in that video is because you really, really want to; it doesn't even make sense within the scope of your conspiracy theories, if that CCTV footage showed Nomsod so clearly, why did the police (who are trying to protect the real killers after all ) release it publicly so that everyone could "see" Nomsod running around?

The only reason he saw Nomsod was because a policeman said it was Nomsod. The video was released before that policeman was taken off the case.

You need to re-read the start of the case.

Its hard to tell 100% that is sure. My GF said some Thai people actually believe it's Mon in the CCTV. Too tall for the B2 that's for sure!!

Same people who don't believe in the time stamped video clearly showing his face and that he wasn't on the island at the time.

Of course makes perfect sense to disregard clear video on numerous cameras and believe in a video that investigators have confirmed is not him and that nobody in their right mind could ever come close to identify it as being him.

Just curious, as I assume this must be known but am unaware ... How tall is Nomsed? How tall is the person in the video? How tall are the Burmese defendants?

[greenchair]

The Gang of 4 are understandably spooked by the KT video of the thin shirtless man. The video can't be changed. Lots of other potential evidence can be altered to suit what officials and the Headman want us to believe:

>>> Nomsod's father saying his son returned to Bangkok on Monday morning

>>> the alibi photo with the furniture missing

>>> statements by witnesses

>>> position/existance of shorts on beach

>>> various phones found behind the scapegoats' shack

>>> DNA trail. Just one person could change the DNA typing attributed to that found on Hannah.

But the video is like an arrow carved in rock - and it points to Nomsod in several ways. Too bad Thai officialdom is dead set shielding the Headman's people against ever being suspects. It would be interesting, and would contribute to the overall safety of tourists on the island, if they were pursued. If the evidence holds up against them, they should be found guilty and sentenced to the harshest penalties the law provides. It would also be interesting to find out whether money/gifts were offered to top brass in the case, and how much. Merry Christmas.

I, for one, think you are grasping at a straws. The only reason you "see" Nomsod in that video is because you really, really want to; it doesn't even make sense within the scope of your conspiracy theories, if that CCTV footage showed Nomsod so clearly, why did the police (who are trying to protect the real killers after all ) release it publicly so that everyone could "see" Nomsod running around?

The only reason he saw Nomsod was because a policeman said it was Nomsod. The video was released before that policeman was taken off the case.

You need to re-read the start of the case.

Its hard to tell 100% that is sure. My GF said some Thai people actually believe it's Mon in the CCTV. Too tall for the B2 that's for sure!!

I also had thought mon.

Many people have wondered if nomsod was a deflector. And this is about his brother. However why did nomsod doctor the video at apartment. What was he hiding.

[berybert]

The strangest thing about that video is if it does show the killer, why is there only one person ? The Burmese would have both have left at the same time surely ?

There is supposed to be 2 or 3 more minutes of cctv from previous readings. So there simply has to be footage of 2 killers, not just 1.

JTJ If the police are so sure they have the right men in jail why did the offer a taxi driver loads of money to lie for them ?

Why did Nomsods cousin say he was with her in Bangkok at the time of the murder, yet she was unaware she was sending the message from Pattaya.

Its the small things that don't ad up.

As for calling a whole nation brutal. I would imagine you and your fellow Americans have killed far more people than the Burmese ever did.

Edited December 23, 2014 by berybert

[fritzzz25]

Same people who don't believe in the time stamped video clearly showing his face and that he wasn't on the island at the time.

Of course makes perfect sense to disregard clear video on numerous cameras and believe in a video that investigators have confirmed is not him and that nobody in their right mind could ever come close to identify it as being him.

Just curious, as I assume this must be known but am unaware ... How tall is Nomsed? How tall is the person in the video? How tall are the Burmese defendants?

Easy way for Nomsod to clear himself. Produce your bank records (ATM card use and transaction locations) as well as cell phone records to show where the device was used and the towers it was connected to. If these things come up and prove to clear him, all the better.

If I was the suspect, I would be providing every single shred of evidence to prove I was not there. So far the only thing he has done was put on a public display of his "DNA sample" contribution that was likely compared against the DNA of a coconut tree with the official notice of "nope, he's not a match...."

[rockingrobin]

Experts who analyzed the cctv put the guy between 5'3 and 5' 7 (160-170)

The info is out there in the public domain

[JohnThailandJohn]

Same people who don't believe in the time stamped video clearly showing his face and that he wasn't on the island at the time.

Of course makes perfect sense to disregard clear video on numerous cameras and believe in a video that investigators have confirmed is not him and that nobody in their right mind could ever come close to identify it as being him.

Just curious, as I assume this must be known but am unaware ... How tall is Nomsed? How tall is the person in the video? How tall are the Burmese defendants?

Easy way for Nomsod to clear himself. Produce your bank records (ATM card use and transaction locations) as well as cell phone records to show where the device was used and the towers it was connected to. If these things come up and prove to clear him, all the better.

If I was the suspect, I would be providing every single shred of evidence to prove I was not there. So far the only thing he has done was put on a public display of his "DNA sample" contribution that was likely compared against the DNA of a coconut tree with the official notice of "nope, he's not a match...."

Lets be real -- video from his aprtment and reportedly from the university - university staff and records - witnesses - police confirmation - ZERO credible evidence to suggest he was on the island - DNA tests sent to three different labs ......... all this is not enough but you think an ATM card and cell phone records (could have lent to his GF) are going to convince you?

Absolutely NOTHING linking him to the crime or even being within hundred of miles of the crime when it occurred ... in fact STRONG evidence showed he was not there or involved.

Police publicly named him as a suspect early on (no fear of him or his family) and then investigated him and cleared him as they did many people early on while following up on leads which many turned out to be false.

Just picking random people to accuse and demanding they go to extraordinary means to prove they were not involved is beyond illogical and IMO just a way to avoid looking at actual facts.

Are you willing to publicly post your personal records online for the world to see to show you are not involved in the murders? Until you are willing to do that here then I don't see how you think it right to demand somebody else do this. And yes, has to be public otherwise people will say the police are lying to protect him.

[boomerangutang]

The Gang of 4 are understandably spooked by the KT video of the thin shirtless man. The video can't be changed. Lots of other potential evidence can be altered to suit what officials and the Headman want us to believe:

>>> Nomsod's father saying his son returned to Bangkok on Monday morning

>>> the alibi photo with the furniture missing

>>> statements by witnesses

>>> position/existance of shorts on beach

>>> various phones found behind the scapegoats' shack

>>> DNA trail. Just one person could change the DNA typing attributed to that found on Hannah.

But the video is like an arrow carved in rock - and it points to Nomsod in several ways. Too bad Thai officialdom is dead set shielding the Headman's people against ever being suspects. It would be interesting, and would contribute to the overall safety of tourists on the island, if they were pursued. If the evidence holds up against them, they should be found guilty and sentenced to the harshest penalties the law provides. It would also be interesting to find out whether money/gifts were offered to top brass in the case, and how much. Merry Christmas.

I, for one, think you are grasping at a straws. The only reason you "see" Nomsod in that video is because you really, really want to; it doesn't even make sense within the scope of your conspiracy theories, if that CCTV footage showed Nomsod so clearly, why did the police (who are trying to protect the real killers after all release it publicly so that everyone could "see" Nomsod running around?

The only reason he saw Nomsod was because a policeman said it was Nomsod. The video was released before that policeman was taken off the case.

You need to re-read the start of the case.

Still, the footage is still (as far as I know), part of the evidence the police is using in the case, why if it is so clear that Nomsod is in it would they use it?

The answer is, that Nomsod is not on that video, and only through self-deception would anyone claim he is.

As far as I know, the police have not claimed that is NOT Nomsod or Mon on that video. I don't think they've yet claimed it is either of the B2 either. The police think the general public is easily duped (as AleG and JTJ are), but we're not complete imbeciles. I've said it before and I'll say it again: a person doesn't need to be a forensic expert or a policeman to recognize faces and body movements. All people are endowed with that skill. I will state unequivocally: That CCTV from the island, just after the crime, does not show either of the B2. It's not wishful thinking on my part, it's plain observation. Plus, I'm just as certain it shows Nomsod (though cops initially thought it showed Mon). AleG and JTJ (where's jdinasia?) are desperate to have the CCTV dissolve in to nothingness, because they're desperate to shield Nomsod. Everything they've posted attests to that. I'll say it again: don't worry guys, neither Nomsod nor any of the Headman's dear people will be indicted for t his crime. They're clear. They're rich, they're well-connected, they're Thai, they have cop friends, ....in a word, they're untouchable.

[greenchair]

So a response at last from the UK police just announced by Andy Hall. Confirms the UK police did very little and raises serious questions about the statements from the families: https://twitter.com/atomicalandy

When I see the dark ones coming in full force to or 3 posting over and over. I flick through to see what they are trying to steer us away from.

Could it be this?

[catsanddogs]

The Gang of 4 are understandably spooked by the KT video of the thin shirtless man. The video can't be changed. Lots of other potential evidence can be altered to suit what officials and the Headman want us to believe:

>>> Nomsod's father saying his son returned to Bangkok on Monday morning

>>> the alibi photo with the furniture missing

>>> statements by witnesses

>>> position/existance of shorts on beach

>>> various phones found behind the scapegoats' shack

>>> DNA trail. Just one person could change the DNA typing attributed to that found on Hannah.

But the video is like an arrow carved in rock - and it points to Nomsod in several ways. Too bad Thai officialdom is dead set shielding the Headman's people against ever being suspects. It would be interesting, and would contribute to the overall safety of tourists on the island, if they were pursued. If the evidence holds up against them, they should be found guilty and sentenced to the harshest penalties the law provides. It would also be interesting to find out whether money/gifts were offered to top brass in the case, and how much. Merry Christmas.

I, for one, think you are grasping at a straws. The only reason you "see" Nomsod in that video is because you really, really want to; it doesn't even make sense within the scope of your conspiracy theories, if that CCTV footage showed Nomsod so clearly, why did the police (who are trying to protect the real killers after all ) release it publicly so that everyone could "see" Nomsod running around?

The only reason he saw Nomsod was because a policeman said it was Nomsod. The video was released before that policeman was taken off the case.

You need to re-read the start of the case.

But police have now made very clear it is not him. So, why go on and on about this?

Police shared too much of their suspicions and what they thought were leads at the start of the case. There were many that didn't pan out until they got the two in custody and matched their DNA to the semen in one of the victims.

There were many that didn't pan out until they got the two in custody and matched (hatched) their DNA to the semen in one of the victims.

[catsanddogs]

The Gang of 4 are understandably spooked by the KT video of the thin shirtless man. The video can't be changed. Lots of other potential evidence can be altered to suit what officials and the Headman want us to believe:

>>> Nomsod's father saying his son returned to Bangkok on Monday morning

>>> the alibi photo with the furniture missing

>>> statements by witnesses

>>> position/existance of shorts on beach

>>> various phones found behind the scapegoats' shack

>>> DNA trail. Just one person could change the DNA typing attributed to that found on Hannah.

But the video is like an arrow carved in rock - and it points to Nomsod in several ways. Too bad Thai officialdom is dead set shielding the Headman's people against ever being suspects. It would be interesting, and would contribute to the overall safety of tourists on the island, if they were pursued. If the evidence holds up against them, they should be found guilty and sentenced to the harshest penalties the law provides. It would also be interesting to find out whether money/gifts were offered to top brass in the case, and how much. Merry Christmas.

I, for one, think you are grasping at a straws. The only reason you "see" Nomsod in that video is because you really, really want to; it doesn't even make sense within the scope of your conspiracy theories, if that CCTV footage showed Nomsod so clearly, why did the police (who are trying to protect the real killers after all ) release it publicly so that everyone could "see" Nomsod running around?

The only reason he saw Nomsod was because a policeman said it was Nomsod. The video was released before that policeman was taken off the case.

You need to re-read the start of the case.

Its hard to tell 100% that is sure. My GF said some Thai people actually believe it's Mon in the CCTV. Too tall for the B2 that's for sure!!

I think there is a possibility it could be Mon too.

[berybert]

What the latest news on the amazing condom that only has semen on the outside of it ?

[greenchair]

We all wonder what some of this compelling evidence the prosecution has. I hope its still not the un trusted DNA match as that is too unreliable to to give a safe conviction. I have an idea that some of the evidence they have is the cctv. Which can be easily manipulated and fixed by changing dates/times etc. Lets face it, in the west for cctv to be permissible in a court case it needs to go through a rigorous authentication test before it can be trusted, here in Thailand it seems anything will do.

I believe that there is plenty of tape we have not seen yet, for instance take a look at screen grabs below.

The one with the guy and the phone to me looks as if this could be a different man from the running man?

Lets not forget what the prosecutor said to the RTP, "fix the flaws"!!

Watch out for the trolls. Deflecting import information.

[JohnThailandJohn]

As far as I know, the police have not claimed that is NOT Nomsod or Mon on that video.

They have made crystal clear it is not him on the video by making it crystal clear he was not there at that time.

[greenchair]

I read the linked above report the other day:

We cant designate that every witness is important. Their testimony should take affect over the case. If we have that kind of witness ..."

NB: IF

Sounds like grasping at straws but if they are going to go the innocent defense route then this is what needs to be done.

Koh Tao defence lawyers call on British witnesses

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-defence-lawyers-call-on-british-witnesses-burma-myanmar/46655

Well said

[JohnThailandJohn]

We all wonder what some of this compelling evidence the prosecution has. I hope its still not the un trusted DNA match as that is too unreliable to to give a safe conviction.

DNA only proves sexual contact. So despite it seeming obvious they would be guilty based on their semen being in the victim, it may not be legally enough to convict of murder. But what evidence do have at all to support the DNA should be untrusted and you should just disregard this crucial evidence? How do you suggest both defendants semen got into the victim?

Edited December 23, 2014 by JohnThailandJohn

[catsanddogs]

Re JTJ's post 1651.

Why don't you do your own research like others on here if you're curious?

[JohnThailandJohn]

Re JTJ's post 1651.

Why don't you do your own research like others on here if you're curious?

Because I didn't make a claim of who could be on the video based on their height. For somebody to make such a statement honestly surely they must have an idea of the height of the person in the video and that of who they say it can or can't be.

Though this is all kind of just another way to distract from facts since there is nothing we know that links the person in the video to any crime let alone these murders except police early on wanted to find out who this person was just as they did about many people including the two on the beach near the murders that turned out to be the two defendants.

Edited December 23, 2014 by JohnThailandJohn

[catsanddogs]

The strangest thing about that video is if it does show the killer, why is there only one person ? The Burmese would have both have left at the same time surely ?

There is supposed to be 2 or 3 more minutes of cctv from previous readings. So there simply has to be footage of 2 killers, not just 1.

JTJ If the police are so sure they have the right men in jail why did the offer a taxi driver loads of money to lie for them ?

Why did Nomsods cousin say he was with her in Bangkok at the time of the murder, yet she was unaware she was sending the message from Pattaya.

Its the small things that don't ad up.

As for calling a whole nation brutal. I would imagine you and your fellow Americans have killed far more people than the Burmese ever did.

The strangest thing about that video is if it does show the killer, why is there only one person ?

There were another couple of people seen three seconds in front or behind (can't remember without seeing the stills) of the topless man. The big guy with the peaked cap and (not Asian) and an Asian looking woman.