Myanmar embassy seeking defence witnesses for Koh Tao accused

[JLCrab]

To the esteemed Counselor: Thank you for letting us know that you don't intend to let us know what you know other than that, based upon what you know, you know and based upon that, that others should know that the 2 accused are 100% innocent. You betcha.

[Eirene]

@ JLCrab...are you Donald Rumsfeld in disguise?

Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns, that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns - the ones we don't know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones.

Department of Defense news briefing, 02/12/02

To the esteemed Counselor: Thank you for letting us know that you don't intend to let us know what you know other than that, based upon what you know, you know and based upon that, that others should know that the 2 accused are 100% innocent. You betcha.

[JLCrab]

@ JLCrab...are you Donald Rumsfeld in disguise?

Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns, that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns - the ones we don't know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones.

Department of Defense news briefing, 02/12/02

To the esteemed Counselor: Thank you for letting us know that you don't intend to let us know what you know other than that, based upon what you know, you know and based upon that, that others should know that the 2 accused are 100% innocent. You betcha.

Not as far as I know but i will check with staff and get back to you to let you know what they tell me they know.

[AleG]

Twice I noticed the defense using dishonest methods in asking for funds, once claiming the defendants were at risk of being executed before the beginning of 2015, the second claiming that donations would be tax deductible, both claims were false.

I don't give people that solicit money using deceptive tactics to be credible.

At the end of the day some people want to see a fair trial, and some people don't.

Lets not forget the case only went to court because the 7 returns and out lark was almost up. They still have no more evidence the Burmese committed the crime than they did 5 months ago.

P.S. give us a link to the defense claiming the boys would hang before 2015 and not just a poster saying it ? I look forward to your proof.

The post was deleted because it was in violation of TV's rule against asking for donations.

[berybert]

Twice I noticed the defense using dishonest methods in asking for funds, once claiming the defendants were at risk of being executed before the beginning of 2015, the second claiming that donations would be tax deductible, both claims were false.

I don't give people that solicit money using deceptive tactics to be credible.

At the end of the day some people want to see a fair trial, and some people don't.

Lets not forget the case only went to court because the 7 returns and out lark was almost up. They still have no more evidence the Burmese committed the crime than they did 5 months ago.

P.S. give us a link to the defense claiming the boys would hang before 2015 and not just a poster saying it ? I look forward to your proof.

The post was deleted because it was in violation of TV's rule against asking for donations.

Are you sure ?

[AleG]

Twice I noticed the defense using dishonest methods in asking for funds, once claiming the defendants were at risk of being executed before the beginning of 2015, the second claiming that donations would be tax deductible, both claims were false.

I don't give people that solicit money using deceptive tactics to be credible.

At the end of the day some people want to see a fair trial, and some people don't.

Lets not forget the case only went to court because the 7 returns and out lark was almost up. They still have no more evidence the Burmese committed the crime than they did 5 months ago.

P.S. give us a link to the defense claiming the boys would hang before 2015 and not just a poster saying it ? I look forward to your proof.

The post was deleted because it was in violation of TV's rule against asking for donations.

Are you sure ?

Actually, it was the post falsely claiming donations via “youcaring” would be tax deductible that was deleted.

The one with the false claims that the Burmese defendants were facing the possibility of being executed before the end of the year still stands:

If the lawless and ruthless powerful of the island have their way, the lads will die by lethal injection before the year ends if not soon next year. Actual murderers, who are the sons and daughters of the political elite, never go to trial. This is not a made-up drama; it’s a real life disaster in the making.

"This is not a made-up drama", yeah, right...

[thailandchilli]

I'm assuming the RTP in their quest to convict the B2 and a possible death sentence have made no false claims, oops not enough fingers to count them all. Attempting to discredit the defense team when one poster makes a couple of allegedly false claims speaks volumes.

Calling a fund that is controlled by Andy Hall dubious is unforgivable. Andy is respected world wide for his Human Rights endeavors in Asia.

It does appear that to some people a fair trial is the last thing they want. No doubt those people will now reply to this post to attempt to discredit it........................

[greenchair]

I have had some further ideas about the design of a tshirt to raise money desparetly needed for Andy and the trial of the boys. I think I can buy them for about 100 baht and sell them at 200. I thought the shirt should be light hearted and appeal to man, woman and child .inside the packet we could put a note telling people about the work we are all doing and the donation site that we cannot mention. It starts "you" and ends "care. We can send some to England, Burma and Australia. I expect to have my first batch ready by March. I am thinking of this wording.

Year?of?the?goat?innocence ?project?2015

Or

I would like some help with a nice image.

I would like to chain the words together please help me.

I have 2 free movie tickets for the winning image.

[greenchair]

This looks better.

Year?of?the?goat.

Innocence?project?2015

Don't forget to help me chain the words. And double don't forget free movie tickets for some guy and his lucky girlfriend ?

[JLCrab]

How about:

Hey, we even got OJ off!

(copyright concerns aside)

[Chetzee]

I have had some further ideas about the design of a tshirt to raise money desparetly needed for Andy and the trial of the boys. I think I can buy them for about 100 baht and sell them at 200. I thought the shirt should be light hearted and appeal to man, woman and child .inside the packet we could put a note telling people about the work we are all doing and the donation site that we cannot mention. It starts "you" and ends "care. We can send some to England, Burma and Australia. I expect to have my first batch ready by March. I am thinking of this wording.

Year?of?the?goat?innocence ?project?2015

images (7).jpg

Or

I would like some help with a nice image.

I would like to chain the words together please help me.

I have 2 free movie tickets for the winning image.

i should should stick to the day job if i were you ! or get some help through fiverr.com .

[berybert]

How about:

Hey, we even got OJ off!

(copyright concerns aside)

And on the back

And the Red Bull cop killer

The policeman's son

The rich girl who killed loads on the bus.

Of course ending in the famous SAME SAME BUT DIFFERENT.

[JLCrab]

I don't think they would all fit but up to you

[greenchair]

I have had some further ideas about the design of a tshirt to raise money desparetly needed for Andy and the trial of the boys. I think I can buy them for about 100 baht and sell them at 200. I thought the shirt should be light hearted and appeal to man, woman and child .inside the packet we could put a note telling people about the work we are all doing and the donation site that we cannot mention. It starts "you" and ends "care. We can send some to England, Burma and Australia. I expect to have my first batch ready by March. I am thinking of this wording.

Year?of?the?goat?innocence ?project?2015

images (7).jpg

Or

I would like some help with a nice image.

I would like to chain the words together please help me.

I have 2 free movie tickets for the winning image.

i should should stick to the day job if i were you ! or get some help through fiverr.com .

I could sit around on my ? all day , and talk? or I can make an effort. If I listened to everyone who said. You will not succeed, I would be in the ? with you lot.

Please help me chain my words.

Year?of? the?goat

innocence?project?2015

And ideas for a pic ?

[greenchair]

Oh thank you Chetzee. What a great idea. I will get onto that this week. Bless. ?

Sorry guys no free movie tickets. I have found another way. Maybe I will send them to Chetzee.

[AleG]

I'm assuming the RTP in their quest to convict the B2 and a possible death sentence have made no false claims, oops not enough fingers to count them all. Attempting to discredit the defense team when one poster makes a couple of allegedly false claims speaks volumes.

Calling a fund that is controlled by Andy Hall dubious is unforgivable. Andy is respected world wide for his Human Rights endeavors in Asia.

It does appear that to some people a fair trial is the last thing they want. No doubt those people will now reply to this post to attempt to discredit it........................

"Attempting to discredit the defense team when one poster makes a couple of allegedly false claims speaks volumes."

First off, no allegedly anything, the claims were false, completely.

Secondly, that poster is not some random person, he has been asking for money for the defense team.

[thailandchilli]

I'm assuming the RTP in their quest to convict the B2 and a possible death sentence have made no false claims, oops not enough fingers to count them all. Attempting to discredit the defense team when one poster makes a couple of allegedly false claims speaks volumes.

Calling a fund that is controlled by Andy Hall dubious is unforgivable. Andy is respected world wide for his Human Rights endeavors in Asia.

It does appear that to some people a fair trial is the last thing they want. No doubt those people will now reply to this post to attempt to discredit it........................

"Attempting to discredit the defense team when one poster makes a couple of allegedly false claims speaks volumes."

First off, no allegedly anything, the claims were false, completely.

Secondly, that poster is not some random person, he has been asking for money for the defense team.

Thank you for proving my point.............unforgivable

[JLCrab]

With apologies to Nat King Cole--

Unforgivable

That's what you are,

Unforgivable

Tho' near or far.

Unforgivable

In every way,

And forever more

That's how you'll stay.

That's why, darling, it's incredible

That someone so unforgivable

Thinks that I am

Unforgivable, too.

[AleG]

I'm assuming the RTP in their quest to convict the B2 and a possible death sentence have made no false claims, oops not enough fingers to count them all. Attempting to discredit the defense team when one poster makes a couple of allegedly false claims speaks volumes.

Calling a fund that is controlled by Andy Hall dubious is unforgivable. Andy is respected world wide for his Human Rights endeavors in Asia.

It does appear that to some people a fair trial is the last thing they want. No doubt those people will now reply to this post to attempt to discredit it........................

"Attempting to discredit the defense team when one poster makes a couple of allegedly false claims speaks volumes."

First off, no allegedly anything, the claims were false, completely.

Secondly, that poster is not some random person, he has been asking for money for the defense team.

Thank you for proving my point.............unforgivable

"It does appear that to some people a fair trial is the last thing they want. No doubt those people will now reply to this post to attempt to discredit it........................"

That point?

Your rhetoric is as ham-fisted as it is specious.

[thailandchilli]

I'm assuming the RTP in their quest to convict the B2 and a possible death sentence have made no false claims, oops not enough fingers to count them all. Attempting to discredit the defense team when one poster makes a couple of allegedly false claims speaks volumes.

Calling a fund that is controlled by Andy Hall dubious is unforgivable. Andy is respected world wide for his Human Rights endeavors in Asia.

It does appear that to some people a fair trial is the last thing they want. No doubt those people will now reply to this post to attempt to discredit it........................

"Attempting to discredit the defense team when one poster makes a couple of allegedly false claims speaks volumes."

First off, no allegedly anything, the claims were false, completely.

Secondly, that poster is not some random person, he has been asking for money for the defense team.

Thank you for proving my point.............unforgivable

"It does appear that to some people a fair trial is the last thing they want. No doubt those people will now reply to this post to attempt to discredit it........................"

That point?

Your rhetoric is as ham-fisted as it is specious.

No this point Calling a fund that is controlled by Andy Hall dubious is unforgivable. Andy is respected world wide for his Human Rights endeavors in Asia.

[AleG]

No this point Calling a fund that is controlled by Andy Hall dubious is unforgivable. Andy is respected world wide for his Human Rights endeavors in Asia.

Well, good thing I don't need forgiveness for showing how a person working to solicit donations to that fund has used deceptive methods to entice people to donate.

When you try to steer things away from that fact, it's not just dubious, it's downright suspicious.

[berybert]

Well I must apologise. As you are a man who demands links and proof to any and every argument. I feel I must give way to the fact you have typed out some random words in a different coloured fount as total proof these guys committed the murder

Actually, it was the post falsely claiming donations via “youcaring” would be tax deductible that was deleted.

The one with the false claims that the Burmese defendants were facing the possibility of being executed before the end of the year still stands:

If the lawless and ruthless powerful of the island have their way, the lads will die by lethal injection before the year ends if not soon next year. Actual murderers, who are the sons and daughters of the political elite, never go to trial. This is not a made-up drama; it’s a real life disaster in the making.

"This is not a made-up drama", yeah, right...

Hang them now.

[AleG]

Actually, it was the post falsely claiming donations via “youcaring” would be tax deductible that was deleted.

The one with the false claims that the Burmese defendants were facing the possibility of being executed before the end of the year still stands:

If the lawless and ruthless powerful of the island have their way, the lads will die by lethal injection before the year ends if not soon next year. Actual murderers, who are the sons and daughters of the political elite, never go to trial. This is not a made-up drama; it’s a real life disaster in the making.

OK lets try again !!!!!!!!!!!!!! So AleG You are claiming some random words used in a different coloured font is proof enough the Burmese boys are guilty of murder.

You have convinced me.

Hang them high.

I fixed your messed up post because I'm nice like that.

I will give you a clue, berybert, those "random words used in a different coloured font" are a link to the post were SLEQS wrote them.

Now sweep your dignity off the floor and next time try a little harder.

[berybert]

Actually, it was the post falsely claiming donations via “youcaring” would be tax deductible that was deleted.

The one with the false claims that the Burmese defendants were facing the possibility of being executed before the end of the year still stands:

If the lawless and ruthless powerful of the island have their way, the lads will die by lethal injection before the year ends if not soon next year. Actual murderers, who are the sons and daughters of the political elite, never go to trial. This is not a made-up drama; it’s a real life disaster in the making.

OK lets try again !!!!!!!!!!!!!! So AleG You are claiming some random words used in a different coloured font is proof enough the Burmese boys are guilty of murder.

You have convinced me.

Hang them high.

I fixed your messed up post because I'm nice like that.

I will give you a clue, berybert, those "random words used in a different coloured font" are a link to the post were SLEQS wrote them.

Now sweep your dignity off the floor and next time try a little harder.

And these are the words you claimed had been deleted. As you often say. PROOF, LINKS. Blah blah blah.

[CharlieH]

Off topic posts removed. This thread is not about T-shirt slogans

[007cableguy]

Re.G-al ,why is anyone bothering with him with replies ?,just ignore him and let him amuse himself!

[greenchair]

Off topic posts removed. This thread is not about T-shirt slogans

Seems some can get away anything on this forum and some cannot. Depends who your friends are i suppose.

[SLESQ]

Thank you ... well most of you.. for your positive support of the defendants. I will not respond to the weird comments of some few, or try to reason why they write as they do.

The Defense Team now has possession of copies of what purports to be the full prosecution file and is going over it very closely. For reasons of past prosecutorial misconduct some doubt we received their entire file and expect some key exculpatory materials have been "inadvertently" omitted.

The T shirt concept advocated here is a good idea and we wish it good success, even as the TVF censors don't want to agree how well it fits this topic.We need to find witnesses; we need resources to find witnesses; we can't ask for resources here and now we can't promote good ideas to locate what is needed. .. really!

Others are working to make a documentary and short videos about the plight of the defendants, and we too wish them great success as well. Will posting that documentary also be banned by the TVF censors?

Is their agenda more than just their OWN rules? For example, we who are aged and with challenged vision are now prohibited from using the large fonts available here....REALLY. What then are the large fonts for other than for masking expletives?

I am told that the use of my circle logo with the defendants' pictures a the start of my postings on this topic is also now banned! Is that for real? I've not been told that so now must I "self-censor" or risk this post t going to the trash heap?

With key assistance and advice from several knowledgeable and skilled writers, my own personal letter to leaders of industry, high-income earners, and people with high net-worth the world over will soon be mailed out and then published. A portion is offered here for critical (not idiotic nor nonsensical) review and comment:

"I am the former Associate General Counsel of a major USA chemical and ethical pharmaceutical company, a trial lawyer with 40+ years’ experience, chairman of my own international consultancy, and Siam University business law teacher. Before my retirement, I had access to organizations of leaders similarly situated who kept each other informed of worthy causes that needed our support.

"The recent murders of Hanna Witheridge and David Miller on Koh Tao have focused the world's attention on Thailand. This attention has led police and politicians to be concerned with quickly finding someone to blame for the murders to move the issue out of the international spotlight. After several miss-steps, attempts to implicate others that were later retracted, and faulty forensic procedures, the remaining evidence is now used to charge Zaw Lin and Wei Phyo, two migrant workers who appear as easy targets. Both 21 years old with little formal education, they were among the few Myanmar resident/workers in the vicinity of the murders who did not run away. They had no reason to run as they are innocent of the murder and rape that form the basis of the death-penalty charges against them.

"Evidence that might clear Zaw Lin and Wei Phyo was not gathered and/or ignored because it did not support the presumed guilty theory put forth by the police. The evidence against them is so obviously contaminated, incomplete, and manipulated, a team of Lawyers Council of Thailand lawyers for the defense, headed by Mr. Nakhon Chompuchat, have joined forces to represent them pro-bono (no fee is being paid to any lawyer). Because of the international attention, police and politicians tried to rush the case to court without giving Zaw Lin's and Wei Phyo's lawyers time to react, time to study the supposed evidence, time to gather rebuttal witnesses, etc. At Court, Khun Nakhon won 7 months to prepare the defense but lawyers working for no fee cannot mount a complete defense against the tainted evidence without resources to (i) make frequent flights to Koh Tao, Samui, and Rangoon to interview witnesses, locate other witnesses who fled fearing for their lives, and even visit the defendants in jail; (ii) conduct new scientific tests independent of the flawed tests by the police; or (iii) hire scientific expert witnesses to provide testimony on proper forensic and police investigation techniques that were not conducted by the police; etc. Those resources are not available at this time and time is running out for the defendants.

"I am writing to ask for your good suggestions on how to help this defense team. Please tell me who you know, any organizations or person, who might be willing to help, directly or anonymously."

[JLCrab]

No problem Counselor -- just sell the book and movie rights.

Why Amanda Knox hired D.C. superlawyer Bob Barnett

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/reliable-source/post/why-amanda-knox-hired-dc-super-lawyer-bob-barnett/2011/12/06/gIQAKIKOaO_blog.html

[greenchair]

I thought the space anagram was quite ingenious. Meaning scape. Never would have figured it out.

Go on delete me?