wayned Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 31 minutes ago, cobbler said: Wanyed . Is it true u can convert a combine to a cutter and bailer? Square or round bales? Or am i just the most gullible guy on here for even asking? Sent from my SM-T815Y using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app I guess that I was just pulling your leg, but if there's a will and you've got the money and time there's a way, which I have neither. Farmer Joe once sent me a picture of and old JD combine that his brother had made into a sprayer so I guess anything's possible. 2
kickstart Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 Cobbler Our Ubon Paspalum , for us is a grazing grass we do not do a cut and cart system , our cattle go out grazing every day ,Nappier silage was intended as cool/dry season feed , but now we feed it every day. Cattle are selective grazers ,and as I said, for the past 2 years has not been grass for grazing years , rains come late, then almost in one short period , cattle would eat the young Paspaium ,but the regrowth thay would only eat tips of the plant ,and a few young shots , the rest of the plant would grow old and unplatable ,I could have toped the whole field ,down to snooker table hight ,and it would have grown up again as young grass ,but we do not have a grass topper. On a cut and cart system ,Paspaium would work could be cut more regular , but we have enough to do without cutting grass every day ,we cut the tree legume gratin most days ,that is enough. Our Nappier Packchon II was 60 -70 days old when it was cut , it was not an evon crop ,some in the open ,and some along tree fence line ,where it was in the shade ,Nappier grass dose not like shade, grows stunted,hence some at 70 day ,left it to see if the stunted grass would grow more, it did not. Not certain what you mean ,we do not sell our grass we feed it all , but in this area, it is almost an industry selling bagged maize silage , I wrote a piece a while ago about making maize silage . Some farmers have made Nappier grass silage and sold it ,but the quality was not good ,old grass and wet ,a few years ago we brought some ,put 25% on the field as manual , that was all it was fit for. If I brought in all our feed we would not made a profit, we use to rear dairy heifers to buy in young heifers feed them up .get them in calf and sell them , but like wayned and his pigs , the market was volatile ,buy expensive and sell cheap ,then we brought in everything , maize silage ,concentrate ,and brewers grains , plus minerals ,our margins where low to non existent, now we have beef cows ,and sell they offspring at about 1 year old,make our own silage ,cut Gratin ,the tree legume , still feed concentrate and brewers grains ,now we make a bit, labour intencive I know ,but it works for us . Breed has a lot to do with it, the popular long ears , breed , Indo Brazil, make bad beef breeds ,all leg and ears ,we are using Angus , and Brangus crosses , which grow well , one of our local cattle dealer likes them, and wil soon buy them from us Charalias work well ,must be crossed with a Brahman ,more than 75 % Charalias blood, cattle will suffer from heat stress. Drugs and vitamins are not that expensive,25kg bag of minerals 340 bart ,will keep me going for a couple of moths ,a 5 kg salt lick 240 bart from New Zealand ,will last a few months ,dueing the hot season less so . One problem we have had is lungworm in the calves, due to too many cattle on a small area, calves have no natural resistance, but a worm drench soon sorts the problem out, again drugs not expencive.
cobbler Posted October 23, 2017 Posted October 23, 2017 My wife told me if u want stuff made,. Go to a uni . Theyll build something for u as a projectSent from my SM-T815Y using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
John Sebastion Posted November 2, 2017 Posted November 2, 2017 I live in buriram area and need a supplier of chopped corn for a cattle operation. About 120 bags per month
Ronaldo777 Posted November 4, 2017 Posted November 4, 2017 (edited) I have 500 bags being delivered they will quote them being 20 kilos but i guess will vary between 18 to 20 kilos i am paying 30 baht per bag free delivery and unload they will be delivered on 6 wheel lorry . If you order 200 bags they will deliver on pick up truck but will charge you 31 or 32 baht per bag . In the city buriram have sellers 35 baht per bag but those bags only weigh 16 to 17 kilos also KK farm just outside the city sell i think 35 baht a bag and also sell feed protein 21 and 18 percent and will deliver . Hope this helps pm if you need anymore info . Edited November 4, 2017 by Ronaldo777 1
John Sebastion Posted November 4, 2017 Posted November 4, 2017 It helps but I need a reference, price and delivery is good. Any information where to find or communicate with the producer will lead me to the needed results. Appreciate the price information. I now pay 35 and haul it myself. My usage has reached my work limit and I need delivery.
Ronaldo777 Posted November 4, 2017 Posted November 4, 2017 32 baht 18/20 kilo bags delivery free on 200 bags . I will pm you phone number they are delivering to buriram on monday or tuesday .
Ronaldo777 Posted November 4, 2017 Posted November 4, 2017 0933633674 is the phone number . After you have the first delivery if you have a second delivery they will sell you for 30 baht a bag if you return the empty bag of previous delivery . Hope this helps . 1
John Sebastion Posted November 4, 2017 Posted November 4, 2017 This is like Christmas makes me very happy. Thanks for your assistance, and who says there is a lack of good people in the world. 1
Ronaldo777 Posted November 5, 2017 Posted November 5, 2017 6 hours ago, John Sebastion said: This is like Christmas makes me very happy. Thanks for your assistance, and who says there is a lack of good people in the world. Let me know how you get on john he should deliver you 100 bags because he wants drop 500 into me on monday or tuesday and i am only taking 400 . The feed is good double bagged will last 2 to 3 months . When cut fresh like this deivery is its being cut today try to leave 5 days before start feeding .
Ronaldo777 Posted November 6, 2017 Posted November 6, 2017 On 05/11/2017 at 12:16 AM, John Sebastion said: This is like Christmas makes me very happy. Thanks for your assistance, and who says there is a lack of good people in the world. 400 bags delivered today . 1
Ronaldo777 Posted November 6, 2017 Posted November 6, 2017 I want to check the price of maize per kilo/ tonne at present if anyone knows .
kickstart Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 At this time you are at about at the end of the season for maize ,and it might depend on where you are , here in Lopburi we are about done ,saw one crop to day with cobs on ,but not full ,needs some more rain which it will not get .it will end up as cattle feed . I would say the price would be 5-5.50 baht /kg . Looking at Thai TV and the floods in Issan ,I would say the price would be higher supply and demand . be
Ronaldo777 Posted November 9, 2017 Posted November 9, 2017 10 hours ago, kickstart said: At this time you are at about at the end of the season for maize ,and it might depend on where you are , here in Lopburi we are about done ,saw one crop to day with cobs on ,but not full ,needs some more rain which it will not get .it will end up as cattle feed . I would say the price would be 5-5.50 baht /kg . Looking at Thai TV and the floods in Issan ,I would say the price would be higher supply and demand . be Ok thanks i managed to source what i needed but had to pay 8.5 baht for nice quality maize .
cobbler Posted November 18, 2017 Posted November 18, 2017 400 bags delivered today . Pardon my ignorance. What type of grass is it please?Sent from my SM-T815Y using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
kickstart Posted November 19, 2017 Posted November 19, 2017 23 hours ago, cobbler said: Pardon my ignorance. What type of grass is it please? Sent from my SM-T815Y using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Looking at past posts ,I think it corn silage . 1
Ronaldo777 Posted November 21, 2017 Posted November 21, 2017 On 18/11/2017 at 1:17 PM, cobbler said: Pardon my ignorance. What type of grass is it please? Sent from my SM-T815Y using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Yes its corn silage . Corn silage can be ordered in different cuts a fine cut thats small or long leafy cut . Can be ordered bagged 32 baht for 18 to 20 kilo bags can be tipped and you use your own bags and bag it thats one baht a kilo . There is also a long leafy cut which has the cobs mixed in that two baht a kilo . They will bring you a reciept from the mill showing weight for delivery . Hope this helps ..... 2
CLW Posted November 21, 2017 Posted November 21, 2017 Yes its corn silage . Corn silage can be ordered in different cuts a fine cut thats small or long leafy cut . Can be ordered bagged 32 baht for 18 to 20 kilo bags can be tipped and you use your own bags and bag it thats one baht a kilo . There is also a long leafy cut which has the cobs mixed in that two baht a kilo . They will bring you a reciept from the mill showing weight for delivery . Hope this helps .....Wondering if the supplier makes any profit with 1 Thb per kg / 1000 Thb per ton... 1
kickstart Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 I am intrigued, in my area making maize silage is almost an industry, being a big dairy cow area, we have made it in the past ,all maize/corn , silage is made from a growing crop ,cut and chopped , and bagged. So, what type of corn silage is it that comes from a "mill", is it from a canning factory? , any photographs, of the silage would be nice . Also, around here a 25kg bag of silage is 50-55 baht, that is with grain ,silage with no grain is 45 baht/bag. 2
Ronaldo777 Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 10 hours ago, kickstart said: I am intrigued, in my area making maize silage is almost an industry, being a big dairy cow area, we have made it in the past ,all maize/corn , silage is made from a growing crop ,cut and chopped , and bagged. So, what type of corn silage is it that comes from a "mill", is it from a canning factory? , any photographs, of the silage would be nice . Also, around here a 25kg bag of silage is 50-55 baht, that is with grain ,silage with no grain is 45 baht/bag. Sorry i meant slip for tonnage using weigh station at the mill .
CLW Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 Anyone did / doing sorghum, sunflower or other oil crops?Is the average profit higher than with corn?
kickstart Posted November 23, 2017 Posted November 23, 2017 If it is what I think it is , canning waist ,we have had it around here ,last year I feed my cattle on canning waist ,for a few weeks , corn, mixed with pineapple waist I paid ,45 baht,25kg . Problem with canning waist is the feed quality, protein about 3-4 %, the main problem is the DM, dry matter ,it is a wet feed ,with a DM of about 20% , or 1 kg is 20% feed and 80% water, when feeding it you will need a 14-16% concentrate ,plus some minerals ,would be ok for a few beef cattle,but cattle with a high percent of Indo Brazile blood ,will not do so well , around here it was feed to dairy cattle ,but did not do a lot to the milk yeild , just to wet , and not enough enagey in the feed . @CLW. Sorghum, use to be grown in this area a lot, fallen by the wayside now , use to be grown as a second crop after maize, likes a lot of fertizer to do any good, and uesd to be havested by hand, my miisses has done it said it iched you all the time ,then you had to get the mobile thasher in .,to thrash out the grain ,another hot dusty,noisey job, by the time the combins arived ,it had lost popualaty ,we grew 25 rie combined it ,and lost a good few bart ,that was a red sorghum ,now there is a white sorhum hybrid grown mainly as cattle feed. Sunflowers have ,you could say, has replaced sorghum, they has been a fair bit wrote about sunflowers on this thread, now a popular crop, grown after maize , and now direct drilled in to the field ,and that's it , wait for it to grow ,then combine the crop,normally no fertilizer or sprays are applied, on a downside the cost of the seed ,we grew it once ,a long time ago, then it was10 kg of seed 2600 Bart . Look in TV's Central Thailand forum , past 2 weeks, a bit written about sunflowers. 1
Ronaldo777 Posted November 23, 2017 Posted November 23, 2017 6 hours ago, kickstart said: If it is what I think it is , canning waist ,we have had it around here ,last year I feed my cattle on canning waist ,for a few weeks , corn, mixed with pineapple waist I paid ,45 baht,25kg . Problem with canning waist is the feed quality, protein about 3-4 %, the main problem is the DM, dry matter ,it is a wet feed ,with a DM of about 20% , or 1 kg is 20% feed and 80% water, when feeding it you will need a 14-16% concentrate ,plus some minerals ,would be ok for a few beef cattle,but cattle with a high percent of Indo Brazile blood ,will not do so well , around here it was feed to dairy cattle ,but did not do a lot to the milk yeild , just to wet , and not enough enagey in the feed . @CLW. Sorghum, use to be grown in this area a lot, fallen by the wayside now , use to be grown as a second crop after maize, likes a lot of fertizer to do any good, and uesd to be havested by hand, my miisses has done it said it iched you all the time ,then you had to get the mobile thasher in .,to thrash out the grain ,another hot dusty,noisey job, by the time the combins arived ,it had lost popualaty ,we grew 25 rie combined it ,and lost a good few bart ,that was a red sorghum ,now there is a white sorhum hybrid grown mainly as cattle feed. Sunflowers have ,you could say, has replaced sorghum, they has been a fair bit wrote about sunflowers on this thread, now a popular crop, grown after maize , and now direct drilled in to the field ,and that's it , wait for it to grow ,then combine the crop,normally no fertilizer or sprays are applied, on a downside the cost of the seed ,we grew it once ,a long time ago, then it was10 kg of seed 2600 Bart . Look in TV's Central Thailand forum , past 2 weeks, a bit written about sunflowers. Kickstart what i tried to say and did not make a good job of it was have two ways to buy from them either by the bag 18 to 20 kilo bags or by the tonne and they will use a weighing station to give you a slip of the weight . Sorry to confuse everyone this is maize sillage nothing to fo with canning waste pineapples just maize silage thats what if is . Hope this post clears things up . 1
kickstart Posted November 24, 2017 Posted November 24, 2017 What I am trying to say ,is they are 2 types of maize silage ,the grown maize crop and chopped for silage ,and what you are feeding the stuff you are feeding ,I still think it is not a good quality feed , compared with whole crop maize silage ,as a feed for cattle ,it is ok ,but you will have to feed some form of supplementary feed , or you find that beef cattle will not grow as you expected, and with any breeding cows ,you could have an infertility problem . As for my quote about pinapple ,it was mixed with the maize ,more maize than pineapple but still the same type of feed . Regards. KS 1
Ronaldo777 Posted November 25, 2017 Posted November 25, 2017 17 hours ago, kickstart said: What I am trying to say ,is they are 2 types of maize silage ,the grown maize crop and chopped for silage ,and what you are feeding the stuff you are feeding ,I still think it is not a good quality feed , compared with whole crop maize silage ,as a feed for cattle ,it is ok ,but you will have to feed some form of supplementary feed , or you find that beef cattle will not grow as you expected, and with any breeding cows ,you could have an infertility problem . As for my quote about pinapple ,it was mixed with the maize ,more maize than pineapple but still the same type of feed . Regards. KS Yes this is the grown maize crop and chopped for silage .
kickstart Posted November 25, 2017 Posted November 25, 2017 6 hours ago, Ronaldo777 said: Yes this is the grown maize crop and chopped for silage . Thanks a lot , first time I have heard of chopped corn delivered to a farm for bagging. . We make grass silage ,and a plastic bag and old feed outer bag ,costs me 5 baht each ,one bag is about 25 kg . So, bagging the silage yourself would work out a lot cheaper, than buying in bagged silage. good idea. 1
IsaanAussie Posted November 25, 2017 Posted November 25, 2017 Have you guys tried to ferment this stuff rather than make silage?
John Sebastion Posted November 25, 2017 Posted November 25, 2017 Chopped corn is estimated at 12 percent protein what amount per beef cow to get a reasonable increase in gross weight?
kickstart Posted November 26, 2017 Posted November 26, 2017 Maize silage has a low protein ,5-10%, it's maine benefit is the high energy and starch compared to grass silage , and here in Thailand a higher dry matter compared with grass silage, especially Nappier silage. But the protein comes from the grain , here in Thailand you can get maize silage with or without grain ,a silage without grain could be as low as 4 % protein. How much to feed to a beef cow ,how is long piece of string ,if you have a low grain silage ,and feed silage only ,and the breed has a high percent of Indo Brazil blood in it ,LWG , live weight gain, will be low , just not enough protein and energy in the diet . In the uk we use to feed up to 25 kg of silage maize to a dairy cow /day ,plus a 16-18% concentrat ,plus brewers grains ,or say sugar beet pulp . and the farm made there own silage. But that is the uk, not Thailand here in LOS here maize silage is brought in , a cost, say you have 12 cattle eating say 20kg silage/day , you work out the cost , and you will still have to feed some concentrate to get any LWG ,plus some minerals . So,Thai beef cattal are not like our , Charalais , Simemtile breeds ,that need a good diet to grow , I would say 10 kg of silage and say 3 kg of a14-16% concentrate ,but again , a freshly calved cow would need more feed , to prvide milk for the calf , and prevent weight loss, and you can get her back in calf at ,about 80 days after calving ,but a cow with no calf , say 5 months in calf , will requie less feed ,she is not doing any thing just ticking over waiting to calve. Ronaldo777, said his silage has long leaves in it ,that is good for rumen digestion, around here maize silage is chopped very short , have seen a lot of cows with indidestion ,that can go on to rumen acidosis , to prevent it feed some bicarbonate of soda and feed some rice straw ,long fiber helps rumen digestion . 1
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