Koh Tao: Trial opens for 2 accused of killing British tourists

[GOLDBUGGY]

I always shake my head when I read something like "These Poor Boys!" "Take a look at them!" "They couldn't hurt a flea"!

Now let me point out a "Fact" to you all.

Myanmar, and where these so called "Innocent Boys" come from, has the Highest Murder Rate in all of Asia. All of Asia! The Myanmar Murder Rate is triple what it is in Thailand. Meaning by population for every 1 Murder in Thailand, there are 3 Murders in Myanmar. Thailand's Murder Rate is only slightly higher than the USA. But no small wonder they look at Myanmar Workers first when their is a murder committed nearby.

So could they commit murder? You bet your bottom dollar they could! And there own Government Statistics proves that and they can back that up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Might the different statistics be as a result of the Myanmar police being more capable of recognising a murder as such and not as a suicide or accident?

From what I read about Myanmar and crime, there are a far more murders and rapes that go on their then are being reported. Nobody here are claiming these murders and rape are suicides so I am not going to touch this subject as it is irrelevant.

The Links on Myanmar has recently been provided for you to read.

[thailandchilli]

But they need to have someone found guilty of this crime, so it is very possible these 2 were to be found guilty no matter what.

If they're found not guilty it means finding the actual culprits which i just can't see happening.

It would not surprise me one bit if they turned up dead in their cells. End of case and a result for the Polee. Face saved.

That was prophesied since they were arrested, it was fear mongering then and it is fear mongering now.

Prophesied by the prison chief yes, fear mongering officials eh

Prison Chief Fears Koh Tao Suspects May Commit Suicide

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1412859323

[Heisenbergg]

Could those of you who were brave enough to view the pictures of Hannah and particularly David confirm that the injuries to him could have been made by the blunt end of a hoe!! From everything I have seen and taken in his injuries were not consistent with a implement like that. I'm sure somebody will confirm or deny the possibility. Thanks

There was no wound to the back of David's head. There were a couple of wounds on the side of the head, but most of the wounds (similar looking) are on the front.

To my eyes, the pattern of David's wounds are consistent only with a protracted fight. The wounds do not look consistent with a blunt instrument.

The only possible explanation I can concoct (and concoct is the word) is that the single blow from behind that incapacitated David and left him to drown in the sea left no mark (being a blow in an area covered by hair from a blunt instrument) and the visible wounds were inflicted by sharp shells or other objects after he fell. Realistically, the RTP story is a load of round objects.

Tim You are incorrect about the wound. I have PM'd u.

If anyone wants to see the wounds PM me and I will send them over then u can judge for yourself. Let me know if you want both victims or just David

I second that, anyone who needs to be shown why we are skeptical of the police theory, there are ample pictures to show the inaccuracies of the police actual description of events. Plain as day lights to anyone

The more people who see this for what it is the better.

[thailandchilli]

Could those of you who were brave enough to view the pictures of Hannah and particularly David confirm that the injuries to him could have been made by the blunt end of a hoe!! From everything I have seen and taken in his injuries were not consistent with a implement like that. I'm sure somebody will confirm or deny the possibility. Thanks

There was no wound to the back of David's head. There were a couple of wounds on the side of the head, but most of the wounds (similar looking) are on the front.

To my eyes, the pattern of David's wounds are consistent only with a protracted fight. The wounds do not look consistent with a blunt instrument.

The only possible explanation I can concoct (and concoct is the word) is that the single blow from behind that incapacitated David and left him to drown in the sea left no mark (being a blow in an area covered by hair from a blunt instrument) and the visible wounds were inflicted by sharp shells or other objects after he fell. Realistically, the RTP story is a load of round objects.

Tim You are incorrect about the wound. I have PM'd u.

If anyone wants to see the wounds PM me and I will send them over then u can judge for yourself. Let me know if you want both victims or just David

I second that, anyone who needs to be shown why we are skeptical of the police theory, there are ample pictures to show the inaccuracies of the police actual description of events. Plain as day lights to anyone

The more people who see this for what it is the better.

Watch this vid interesting bits start at around 7.49. Its a Thai investigative documentary on how the wounds to David were caused, I think they have it spot on. Its in Thai but its easy to see whats going on. Get the link quick to the vid before it gets reported by the usual suspects and disappears from TV

Edited July 25, 2015 by thailandchilli

[Nigeone]

A lawyer contracted by the Burmese embassy to defend two Burmese migrants accused of murdering a British couple on the Thai island of Koh Tao said the men confessed to the crimes on Monday, but told the legal team they had been tortured.

Officials from the Burmese embassy in Bangkok on Monday travelled to the neighbouring island of Koh Samui to meet the two Arakanese migrants who have been remanded in custody pending murder and rape charges. The embassy officials, led by second secretary Htun Aye, were accompanied by Thai and Burmese lawyers, as well as migrant rights activists. The embassy said Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun signed over power of attorney to the legal team contracted by the embassy.

Today, [Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun] signed power of attorney to the embassys legal team, said lawyer Aung Myo Thant on Monday. We will try to offer them any assistance we can from a legal perspective.

Speaking to DVB on Monday, Kyaw Thaung, a representative of the Myanmar Association in Thailand, who attended the interview with the defendants, said, We went to the prison [on Koh Samui] and were allowed to meet with the two freely. They confessed to committing the crime under the influence of alcohol. When asked for further details, they said they bashed the victims two or three times each with the blunt end of a hoe, but not with the sharp end. They said they did it because they were drunk but did not intend to kill the couple.

Under what type of threat? Any threat from RTP is a credible one to these guys. Also, their statement given to this embassy official is inaccurate. One victim was not killed with a hoe.

Are the 2 accused trained Doctors that they would know that when they hit David Miller with the Hoe, or any other weapon that was not found, and he was laying unconscious face down in the Ocean, that the didn't kill him this way? That he drowned instead? Hell! Even a trained doctor wouldn't know that unless he really checked closely. .

They were probably as surprised about this news of David drowning as the rest of us were.

Wow....you have been embarrassing for quite a while now but now your just getting really quite honestly pathetic and an insult to the human race. All I can say is you must be getting paid in kind or monetary a considerable amount to sell yourself and stoop to such low levels. And before you say anything about having opinions this is more than that as no sane person would come out with some of the stuff you have done in the last weeks. The police said it was a hoe that was used in the murders. Now you are suggesting that there's another weapon not found. Well we all know there was another weapon but your straying from your official party line. And how would they know how David died as up to now the RTP have not, and I repeat again, NOT produced one grain of evidence that the B2 were there. I actually am not sure who is the most incompetent ,you and your mate JTJ or your buddies the RTP. It's a close call. While you of course have a right to continue to post I will certainly not let you away with anything rest assured. Even one of the main police guys is unsure they still have a case and the defense haven't done anything yet. Please for everyone's sanity think and contemplate before you post and consider how stupid you are sounding. Edited July 25, 2015 by Nigeone

[DaveinAsia]

Had never seen Koh Samui Provincial Court before. Pretty large and fancy building for a small island. When it comes to creating comfort for their bureaucrats, the gov spend the tax payers money extravagantly.

[glenmohr]

Follow the trail- we know they were in the AC bar- what happened there? Was there an altercation or not? Then what happened next- timelines and witness interviews. This case is solvable. There is always a motive. The defense needs to do their own independent investigation. Someone will eventually crack. Why would 2 Burmese workers murder 2 foreign tourists? They would have had no motive.

I agree with everything you say except for the last sentence, you dont need a motive if youre influenced by drugs or alcohol and want to sexually rape and even murder

Doesnt matter if they are Burmese, Thais or other people. People are ebeing murdered on a weekly basis in Thailand and most of the killings happens under the influence of drugs.

Yes you might be right but why on earth if they did it would they hang around afterwards. Let's be honest anyone doing this particularly the Burmese would get the hell out of there . Also why, and it's very clear it's happened would the Thai mafia on the Island bother to shut everybody up and lean on translators etc for Burmese who they look on as low life. No it's doesn't make sense in any shape or form. And I don't feel this was about rape so much as I agree with many other posters it was about face. This also was carried out by psychos who more than likely have done similar before. This was a brutal brutal act.

I agree when even translatars are threatened and you see tweets like this it really makes you think how many people are behind and how far does the cover up go.

those of us who love Thailand have to really be concerned when we see tweets like above from Andy Hall.

[AleG]

Are the 2 accused trained Doctors that they would know that when they hit David Miller with the Hoe, or any other weapon that was not found, and he was laying unconscious face down in the Ocean, that the didn't kill him this way? That he drowned instead? Hell! Even a trained doctor wouldn't know that unless he really checked closely. .

They were probably as surprised about this news of David drowning as the rest of us were.

Wow....you have been embarrassing for quite a while now but now your just getting really getting quite honestly pathetic and an insult to the human race. All I can say is you must be getting paid in kind or monetary a considerable amount to sell yourself and stoop to such low levels. And before you say anything about having opinions this is more than that as no sane person would come out with some of the stuff you have done in the last weeks. The police said it was a hoe that was used in the murders. Now you are suggesting that there's another weapon not found. Well we all know there was another weapon but your straying from your official party line. And how would they know how David died as up to now the RTP have not, and I repeat again, NOT produced one grain of evidence that the B2 were there. I actually am not sure who is the most incompetent ,you and your mate JTJ or your buddies the RTP. It's a close call. While you of course have a right to continue to post I will certainly not let you away with anything rest assured. Even one of the main police guys is unsure they still have a case and the defense haven't done anything yet. Please for everyone's sanity think and contemplate before you post and consider how stupid you are sounding.

No evidence presented?

In court yesterday - the final day of the trial’s second session of prosecution witnesses - judges heard from two police officers who said they tested evidence collected from the crime scene that matched the DNA of the suspects.

The second witness, Pol.Col. Wathee Asawutthimangkul from the Institute of Forensic Medicine, told the court that he was provided with genetic profiles of the suspects that matched semen collected from Witheridge's body that he tested in his lab.

That is evidence, and very damning too. Which the defense can reexamine (in spite of what the doomsayers prognosticated)

As the saying goes, you are entitled to your own opinions, not to your own facts.

[BritTim]

Could those of you who were brave enough to view the pictures of Hannah and particularly David confirm that the injuries to him could have been made by the blunt end of a hoe!! From everything I have seen and taken in his injuries were not consistent with a implement like that. I'm sure somebody will confirm or deny the possibility. Thanks

There was no wound to the back of David's head. There were a couple of wounds on the side of the head, but most of the wounds (similar looking) are on the front.

To my eyes, the pattern of David's wounds are consistent only with a protracted fight. The wounds do not look consistent with a blunt instrument.

The only possible explanation I can concoct (and concoct is the word) is that the single blow from behind that incapacitated David and left him to drown in the sea left no mark (being a blow in an area covered by hair from a blunt instrument) and the visible wounds were inflicted by sharp shells or other objects after he fell. Realistically, the RTP story is a load of round objects.

Tim You are incorrect about the wound. I have PM'd u.

If anyone wants to see the wounds PM me and I will send them over then u can judge for yourself. Let me know if you want both victims or just David

I accept that my recollection on some of the details of David's wounds was incorrect. In particular, there is one wound at the back just, above the neck area, that could be consistent with a blow from a blunt instrument. Those at the side of the head might also. I stand by my statement that, overall, the pattern of David's wounds suggest an actual fight and several wounds were clearly inflicted from the front with a sharp instrument.

Edited July 25, 2015 by BritTim

[metisdead]

Some insulting posts and other nonsense posts have been removed.

[Heisenbergg]

Are the 2 accused trained Doctors that they would know that when they hit David Miller with the Hoe, or any other weapon that was not found, and he was laying unconscious face down in the Ocean, that the didn't kill him this way? That he drowned instead? Hell! Even a trained doctor wouldn't know that unless he really checked closely. .

They were probably as surprised about this news of David drowning as the rest of us were.

Wow....you have been embarrassing for quite a while now but now your just getting really getting quite honestly pathetic and an insult to the human race. All I can say is you must be getting paid in kind or monetary a considerable amount to sell yourself and stoop to such low levels. And before you say anything about having opinions this is more than that as no sane person would come out with some of the stuff you have done in the last weeks. The police said it was a hoe that was used in the murders. Now you are suggesting that there's another weapon not found. Well we all know there was another weapon but your straying from your official party line. And how would they know how David died as up to now the RTP have not, and I repeat again, NOT produced one grain of evidence that the B2 were there. I actually am not sure who is the most incompetent ,you and your mate JTJ or your buddies the RTP. It's a close call. While you of course have a right to continue to post I will certainly not let you away with anything rest assured. Even one of the main police guys is unsure they still have a case and the defense haven't done anything yet. Please for everyone's sanity think and contemplate before you post and consider how stupid you are sounding.

No evidence presented?

In court yesterday - the final day of the trials second session of prosecution witnesses - judges heard from two police officers who said they tested evidence collected from the crime scene that matched the DNA of the suspects.

The second witness, Pol.Col. Wathee Asawutthimangkul from the Institute of Forensic Medicine, told the court that he was provided with genetic profiles of the suspects that matched semen collected from Witheridge's body that he tested in his lab.

That is evidence, and very damning too. Which the defense can reexamine (in spite of what the doomsayers prognosticated)

As the saying goes, you are entitled to your own opinions, not to your own facts.

Hahaha, you're absurd. There's no proof at this point that the DNA was collected or even handled/tested properly. None. All we have to go on now is the word of these two cops, who stand to gain, shall I say, a considerable amount?

Knowing Thailand and how corruption works here, you being surprised it goes this deep is quite dense. Would you accept at a trial of your own, the word of police officers in a country widely known for corruption?

I anticipate your reply!

Make it a good one, you've been dry as of late.

[sambum]

A lawyer contracted by the Burmese embassy to defend two Burmese migrants accused of murdering a British couple on the Thai island of Koh Tao said the men confessed to the crimes on Monday, but told the legal team they had been tortured.

Officials from the Burmese embassy in Bangkok on Monday travelled to the neighbouring island of Koh Samui to meet the two Arakanese migrants who have been remanded in custody pending murder and rape charges. The embassy officials, led by second secretary Htun Aye, were accompanied by Thai and Burmese lawyers, as well as migrant rights activists. The embassy said Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun signed over power of attorney to the legal team contracted by the embassy.

Today, [Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun] signed power of attorney to the embassys legal team, said lawyer Aung Myo Thant on Monday. We will try to offer them any assistance we can from a legal perspective.

Speaking to DVB on Monday, Kyaw Thaung, a representative of the Myanmar Association in Thailand, who attended the interview with the defendants, said, We went to the prison [on Koh Samui] and were allowed to meet with the two freely. They confessed to committing the crime under the influence of alcohol. When asked for further details, they said they bashed the victims two or three times each with the blunt end of a hoe, but not with the sharp end. They said they did it because they were drunk but did not intend to kill the couple.

Under what type of threat? Any threat from RTP is a credible one to these guys. Also, their statement given to this embassy official is inaccurate. One victim was not killed with a hoe.

Are the 2 accused trained Doctors that they would know that when they hit David Miller with the Hoe, or any other weapon that was not found, and he was laying unconscious face down in the Ocean, that the didn't kill him this way? That he drowned instead? Hell! Even a trained doctor wouldn't know that unless he really checked closely. .

They were probably as surprised about this news of David drowning as the rest of us were.

Wow....you have been embarrassing for quite a while now but now your just getting really quite honestly pathetic and an insult to the human race. All I can say is you must be getting paid in kind or monetary a considerable amount to sell yourself and stoop to such low levels. And before you say anything about having opinions this is more than that as no sane person would come out with some of the stuff you have done in the last weeks. The police said it was a hoe that was used in the murders. Now you are suggesting that there's another weapon not found. Well we all know there was another weapon but your straying from your official party line. And how would they know how David died as up to now the RTP have not, and I repeat again, NOT produced one grain of evidence that the B2 were there. I actually am not sure who is the most incompetent ,you and your mate JTJ or your buddies the RTP. It's a close call. While you of course have a right to continue to post I will certainly not let you away with anything rest assured. Even one of the main police guys is unsure they still have a case and the defense haven't done anything yet. Please for everyone's sanity think and contemplate before you post and consider how stupid you are sounding.

" no sane person would come out with some of the stuff you have done in the last weeks."

Quite agree about "Uncle Goldbuggy" - can I "like" the above line twice ?

[glenmohr]

But they need to have someone found guilty of this crime, so it is very possible these 2 were to be found guilty no matter what.

If they're found not guilty it means finding the actual culprits which i just can't see happening.

It would not surprise me one bit if they turned up dead in their cells. End of case and a result for the Polee. Face saved.

That was prophesied since they were arrested, it was fear mongering then and it is fear mongering now.

Prophesied by the prison chief yes, fear mongering officials eh

Prison Chief Fears Koh Tao Suspects May Commit Suicide

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1412859323

Important to note that the prison chief states " in prison for the first time" If these vicious men, as alleged by Gold Buggy, if these cold blooded killers are in jail for the first time , what in their life has suddenly caused them to go off the rails without any previous known form???

[Heisenbergg]

Could those of you who were brave enough to view the pictures of Hannah and particularly David confirm that the injuries to him could have been made by the blunt end of a hoe!! From everything I have seen and taken in his injuries were not consistent with a implement like that. I'm sure somebody will confirm or deny the possibility. Thanks

There was no wound to the back of David's head. There were a couple of wounds on the side of the head, but most of the wounds (similar looking) are on the front.

To my eyes, the pattern of David's wounds are consistent only with a protracted fight. The wounds do not look consistent with a blunt instrument.

The only possible explanation I can concoct (and concoct is the word) is that the single blow from behind that incapacitated David and left him to drown in the sea left no mark (being a blow in an area covered by hair from a blunt instrument) and the visible wounds were inflicted by sharp shells or other objects after he fell. Realistically, the RTP story is a load of round objects.

Tim You are incorrect about the wound. I have PM'd u.

If anyone wants to see the wounds PM me and I will send them over then u can judge for yourself. Let me know if you want both victims or just David

I accept that my recollection on some of the details of David's wounds was incorrect. In particular, there is one wound at the back just, above the neck area, that could be consistent with a blow from a blunt instrument. Those at the side of the head might also. I stand by my statement that, overall, the pattern of David's wounds suggest an actual fight and several wounds were clearly inflicted from the front with a sharp instrument.

YASS! Welcome to the (sad, unfortunate) party.

After looking at David and Hannah, you can't help but smell the RTP's B.S. I think some posters here have never seen the images, and are ignorant to how Thailand works in cases like this.

Red Bull guy: still walking, or cruising the streets.

Other Hiso crimes, offender let off, Koh Tao 2014? Culmination of crap Karma Thailand has been accumulating for quite some time, I fear.

[GOLDBUGGY]

I always shake my head when I read something like "These Poor Boys!" "Take a look at them!" "They couldn't hurt a flea"!

Now let me point out a "Fact" to you all.

Myanmar, and where these so called "Innocent Boys" come from, has the Highest Murder Rate in all of Asia. All of Asia! The Myanmar Murder Rate is triple what it is in Thailand. Meaning by population for every 1 Murder in Thailand, there are 3 Murders in Myanmar. Thailand's Murder Rate is only slightly higher than the USA. But no small wonder they look at Myanmar Workers first when their is a murder committed nearby.

So could they commit murder? You bet your bottom dollar they could! And there own Government Statistics proves that and they can back that up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

These deaths are predominantly because of internal civil wars ... just as the high numbers in Thailand are due to the unrest in the south.

It is not a war just because you are wearing a uniform and then rape and murder innocent civilians. It is a War Crime!

What you're doing is making a very dubious claim of guilt by association, in fact as someone else pointed out there's no evidence that exposure to violence makes a person more likely to commit violence. If it were so WWII for instance would have been followed very soon by a pandemic of violence, or the majority of refugees from war-torn nations would turn out to be killers and rapists.

Sorry but your contention is completely unsupported by evidence.

It has been reported here. You just never took the time to read it.

[Nigeone]

Are the 2 accused trained Doctors that they would know that when they hit David Miller with the Hoe, or any other weapon that was not found, and he was laying unconscious face down in the Ocean, that the didn't kill him this way? That he drowned instead? Hell! Even a trained doctor wouldn't know that unless he really checked closely. .

They were probably as surprised about this news of David drowning as the rest of us were.

Wow....you have been embarrassing for quite a while now but now your just getting really getting quite honestly pathetic and an insult to the human race. All I can say is you must be getting paid in kind or monetary a considerable amount to sell yourself and stoop to such low levels. And before you say anything about having opinions this is more than that as no sane person would come out with some of the stuff you have done in the last weeks. The police said it was a hoe that was used in the murders. Now you are suggesting that there's another weapon not found. Well we all know there was another weapon but your straying from your official party line. And how would they know how David died as up to now the RTP have not, and I repeat again, NOT produced one grain of evidence that the B2 were there. I actually am not sure who is the most incompetent ,you and your mate JTJ or your buddies the RTP. It's a close call. While you of course have a right to continue to post I will certainly not let you away with anything rest assured. Even one of the main police guys is unsure they still have a case and the defense haven't done anything yet. Please for everyone's sanity think and contemplate before you post and consider how stupid you are sounding.

No evidence presented?

In court yesterday - the final day of the trials second session of prosecution witnesses - judges heard from two police officers who said they tested evidence collected from the crime scene that matched the DNA of the suspects.

The second witness, Pol.Col. Wathee Asawutthimangkul from the Institute of Forensic Medicine, told the court that he was provided with genetic profiles of the suspects that matched semen collected from Witheridge's body that he tested in his lab.

That is evidence, and very damning too. Which the defense can reexamine (in spite of what the doomsayers prognosticated)

As the saying goes, you are entitled to your own opinions, not to your own facts.

Okay let's see what you have stated and comment on it. Two police officers stated they tested evidence collected from the crime scene and it matched. mmmmm damming! Im telling you now I have 10 million pounds in the bank. Does that mean I have? The second witness you stated was ' PROVIDED' with genetic profiles which matched semen etc. So is that the very damming evidence your claiming. No! What that is is interested parties have said certain things and another has said a third party has been given something to test. So now I've broken it down for you do you want me to explain it further or is it clear enough now that, and I repeat up to now there has been NO evidence to suggest remotely that the B2 are in any way guilty. Please advise if you want a further explanation as I've got all night. Edited July 25, 2015 by Nigeone

[AleG]

Wow....you have been embarrassing for quite a while now but now your just getting really getting quite honestly pathetic and an insult to the human race. All I can say is you must be getting paid in kind or monetary a considerable amount to sell yourself and stoop to such low levels. And before you say anything about having opinions this is more than that as no sane person would come out with some of the stuff you have done in the last weeks. The police said it was a hoe that was used in the murders. Now you are suggesting that there's another weapon not found. Well we all know there was another weapon but your straying from your official party line. And how would they know how David died as up to now the RTP have not, and I repeat again, NOT produced one grain of evidence that the B2 were there. I actually am not sure who is the most incompetent ,you and your mate JTJ or your buddies the RTP. It's a close call. While you of course have a right to continue to post I will certainly not let you away with anything rest assured. Even one of the main police guys is unsure they still have a case and the defense haven't done anything yet. Please for everyone's sanity think and contemplate before you post and consider how stupid you are sounding.

No evidence presented?

In court yesterday - the final day of the trials second session of prosecution witnesses - judges heard from two police officers who said they tested evidence collected from the crime scene that matched the DNA of the suspects.

The second witness, Pol.Col. Wathee Asawutthimangkul from the Institute of Forensic Medicine, told the court that he was provided with genetic profiles of the suspects that matched semen collected from Witheridge's body that he tested in his lab.

That is evidence, and very damning too. Which the defense can reexamine (in spite of what the doomsayers prognosticated)

As the saying goes, you are entitled to your own opinions, not to your own facts.

Hahaha, you're absurd. There's no proof at this point that the DNA was collected or even handled/tested properly. None. All we have to go on now is the word of these two cops, who stand to gain, shall I say, a considerable amount?

Knowing Thailand and how corruption works here, you being surprised it goes this deep is quite dense. Would you accept at a trial of your own, the word of police officers in a country widely known for corruption?

I anticipate your reply!

Make it a good one, you've been dry as of late.

Yes, the police said so and they have the physical evidence to back it up, which is going to be available to the defense to contest.

Whereas you only have your say so that it's all fake because someone paid someone else or something, not very convincing.

[AleG]

Are the 2 accused trained Doctors that they would know that when they hit David Miller with the Hoe, or any other weapon that was not found, and he was laying unconscious face down in the Ocean, that the didn't kill him this way? That he drowned instead? Hell! Even a trained doctor wouldn't know that unless he really checked closely. .

They were probably as surprised about this news of David drowning as the rest of us were.

Wow....you have been embarrassing for quite a while now but now your just getting really getting quite honestly pathetic and an insult to the human race. All I can say is you must be getting paid in kind or monetary a considerable amount to sell yourself and stoop to such low levels. And before you say anything about having opinions this is more than that as no sane person would come out with some of the stuff you have done in the last weeks. The police said it was a hoe that was used in the murders. Now you are suggesting that there's another weapon not found. Well we all know there was another weapon but your straying from your official party line. And how would they know how David died as up to now the RTP have not, and I repeat again, NOT produced one grain of evidence that the B2 were there. I actually am not sure who is the most incompetent ,you and your mate JTJ or your buddies the RTP. It's a close call. While you of course have a right to continue to post I will certainly not let you away with anything rest assured. Even one of the main police guys is unsure they still have a case and the defense haven't done anything yet. Please for everyone's sanity think and contemplate before you post and consider how stupid you are sounding.

No evidence presented?

In court yesterday - the final day of the trials second session of prosecution witnesses - judges heard from two police officers who said they tested evidence collected from the crime scene that matched the DNA of the suspects.

The second witness, Pol.Col. Wathee Asawutthimangkul from the Institute of Forensic Medicine, told the court that he was provided with genetic profiles of the suspects that matched semen collected from Witheridge's body that he tested in his lab.

That is evidence, and very damning too. Which the defense can reexamine (in spite of what the doomsayers prognosticated)

As the saying goes, you are entitled to your own opinions, not to your own facts.

Okay let's see what you have stated and comment on it. Two police officers stated they tested evidence collected from the crime scene and it matched. mmmmm damming! Im telling you now I have 10 million pounds in the bank. Does that mean I have? The second witness you stated was ' PROVIDED' with genetic profiles which matched semen etc. So is that the very damming evidence your claiming. No! What that is is interested parties have said certain things and another has said a third party has been given something to test. So now I've broken it down for you do you want me to explain it further or is it clear enough now that, and I repeat up to now there has been NO evidence to suggest remotely that the B2 are in any way guilty. Please advise if you want a further explanation as I've got all night.

"I have 10 million pounds in the bank. Does that mean I have?"

If you are claiming that while providing testimony in a court of law you would be committing perjury and be liable to prosecution.

Here's some advice, may it serve you well.

[ffaarraanngg]

I recommend others block the following to stop encouraging them.

[thailandchilli]

I always shake my head when I read something like "These Poor Boys!" "Take a look at them!" "They couldn't hurt a flea"!

Now let me point out a "Fact" to you all.

Myanmar, and where these so called "Innocent Boys" come from, has the Highest Murder Rate in all of Asia. All of Asia! The Myanmar Murder Rate is triple what it is in Thailand. Meaning by population for every 1 Murder in Thailand, there are 3 Murders in Myanmar. Thailand's Murder Rate is only slightly higher than the USA. But no small wonder they look at Myanmar Workers first when their is a murder committed nearby.

So could they commit murder? You bet your bottom dollar they could! And there own Government Statistics proves that and they can back that up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

What you're doing is making a very dubious claim of guilt by association, in fact as someone else pointed out there's no evidence that exposure to violence makes a person more likely to commit violence. If it were so WWII for instance would have been followed very soon by a pandemic of violence, or the majority of refugees from war-torn nations would turn out to be killers and rapists.

Sorry but your contention is completely unsupported by evidence.

It has been reported here. You just never took the time to read it.

No it hasn't. There is little to no scientific evidence that being exposed to violence as an adult can then lead to repeat behaviour.

However there is plenty of research and widely believed theories from a psychological and especially psychodynamic perspective that being exposed to violence as a child or even baby can lead to delinquent behaviour and violent tendencies. In some cases this can also take on a more sinister behavioral trait of sub consciously identifying with the aggression and subsequently repeating it to others.

In any case there is absolutely NO evidence that either of the B2 were witness to or victims of abuse or violence.

Edited July 25, 2015 by thailandchilli

[Heisenbergg]

Wow....you have been embarrassing for quite a while now but now your just getting really getting quite honestly pathetic and an insult to the human race. All I can say is you must be getting paid in kind or monetary a considerable amount to sell yourself and stoop to such low levels. And before you say anything about having opinions this is more than that as no sane person would come out with some of the stuff you have done in the last weeks. The police said it was a hoe that was used in the murders. Now you are suggesting that there's another weapon not found. Well we all know there was another weapon but your straying from your official party line. And how would they know how David died as up to now the RTP have not, and I repeat again, NOT produced one grain of evidence that the B2 were there. I actually am not sure who is the most incompetent ,you and your mate JTJ or your buddies the RTP. It's a close call. While you of course have a right to continue to post I will certainly not let you away with anything rest assured. Even one of the main police guys is unsure they still have a case and the defense haven't done anything yet. Please for everyone's sanity think and contemplate before you post and consider how stupid you are sounding.

No evidence presented?

In court yesterday - the final day of the trials second session of prosecution witnesses - judges heard from two police officers who said they tested evidence collected from the crime scene that matched the DNA of the suspects.

The second witness, Pol.Col. Wathee Asawutthimangkul from the Institute of Forensic Medicine, told the court that he was provided with genetic profiles of the suspects that matched semen collected from Witheridge's body that he tested in his lab.

That is evidence, and very damning too. Which the defense can reexamine (in spite of what the doomsayers prognosticated)

As the saying goes, you are entitled to your own opinions, not to your own facts.

Hahaha, you're absurd. There's no proof at this point that the DNA was collected or even handled/tested properly. None. All we have to go on now is the word of these two cops, who stand to gain, shall I say, a considerable amount?

Knowing Thailand and how corruption works here, you being surprised it goes this deep is quite dense. Would you accept at a trial of your own, the word of police officers in a country widely known for corruption?

I anticipate your reply!

Make it a good one, you've been dry as of late.

Yes, the police said so and they have the physical evidence to back it up, which is going to be available to the defense to contest.

Whereas you only have your say so that it's all fake because someone paid someone else or something, not very convincing.

So, you're saying, you're say-so, is more relevant than my say-so? Hahaha.

The police have given no evidence other than testimony at this stage in the trial, were awaiting "independent" testing now, which, IMO should go to another country that isn't corrupt as hell (Singapore, anyone?)

Here's the other thing you overlook. These Burmese guys were employees for Mon, correct? Or, family of his. They could order them to do a lot of things and the Burmese would be helpless. Thais look down on burmese, who doesn't know that? Hell, plenty of Thais hate Farangs.

How can you be so sure the Police story and Evidence is accurate, if all you've seen is the same info we've all seen?

[Nigeone]

Wow....you have been embarrassing for quite a while now but now your just getting really getting quite honestly pathetic and an insult to the human race. All I can say is you must be getting paid in kind or monetary a considerable amount to sell yourself and stoop to such low levels. And before you say anything about having opinions this is more than that as no sane person would come out with some of the stuff you have done in the last weeks. The police said it was a hoe that was used in the murders. Now you are suggesting that there's another weapon not found. Well we all know there was another weapon but your straying from your official party line. And how would they know how David died as up to now the RTP have not, and I repeat again, NOT produced one grain of evidence that the B2 were there. I actually am not sure who is the most incompetent ,you and your mate JTJ or your buddies the RTP. It's a close call. While you of course have a right to continue to post I will certainly not let you away with anything rest assured. Even one of the main police guys is unsure they still have a case and the defense haven't done anything yet. Please for everyone's sanity think and contemplate before you post and consider how stupid you are sounding.

No evidence presented?

In court yesterday - the final day of the trials second session of prosecution witnesses - judges heard from two police officers who said they tested evidence collected from the crime scene that matched the DNA of the suspects.

The second witness, Pol.Col. Wathee Asawutthimangkul from the Institute of Forensic Medicine, told the court that he was provided with genetic profiles of the suspects that matched semen collected from Witheridge's body that he tested in his lab.

That is evidence, and very damning too. Which the defense can reexamine (in spite of what the doomsayers prognosticated)

As the saying goes, you are entitled to your own opinions, not to your own facts.

Hahaha, you're absurd. There's no proof at this point that the DNA was collected or even handled/tested properly. None. All we have to go on now is the word of these two cops, who stand to gain, shall I say, a considerable amount?

Knowing Thailand and how corruption works here, you being surprised it goes this deep is quite dense. Would you accept at a trial of your own, the word of police officers in a country widely known for corruption?

I anticipate your reply!

Make it a good one, you've been dry as of late.

Yes, the police said so and they have the physical evidence to back it up, which is going to be available to the defense to contest.

Whereas you only have your say so that it's all fake because someone paid someone else or something, not very convincing.

I think you'd better drop out of this one as at least JTJ and GB have a degree of intelligence while your answer above is a bit basic . The police said so. Haha that's a good one. The first rule of Thailand. Always believe what the police tell you!!

[Chetzee]

I recommend others block the following to stop encouraging them.

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been away for a few hours .... did TJT get a ban or something ?, coz i'm sure as hell he was going to post on Panya's immenent movenent to a pen pusher prior to the 15th Sept .

you know i feel some compasion for Panya . The case of a lifetime comes up , very high profile , but his time is up .... exit stage left to a desk job . Must have been hard to take !

[GOLDBUGGY]

Goldbuggy

How can one respond to someone who after nearly one year doesn't even know who is on trial here? The RPT are not on trial here, nor is Thailand, the people on trial here are 2 Migrant Workers accused of a double Murder, Rape, and Robbery. They are the ones who need defending, and not the RTP. I have no connection to any police force in the world or anyone on this Island, that I did not even know existed a year ago. My opinions are strictly opinions which I try to base mostly on fact and not social media gossip, and my agenda is to shed some light on some twisted facts.

Your very wrong with this statement. While sure the B2 are on trial so is the RTP and the Thai justice system. Everybody and I mean everybody has a story about extortion and cover ups and graft in these areas. So are you denying that extortion isn't carried out by RTP on a hourly basis and that these same authorities aren't responsible or turn a blind eye to most of the criminal activity in Thailand.

And as for for the poor workers in Kao Tao and other Islands do you really thing that the powers that be care about them one bit.

No to them it's just cheap labour from a compromised race who even after employment get deductions and have to pay for so many things that should be taken for granted. You didn't see the Sky reporter live interviewing a Burmese worker on KT. Saying everyone there has to pay to the mafia just to have the right to be there. No, the people running KT don't care one bit about Burmese workers.

Which makes me ask why would the same powers that be lean so heavily on translators and such like if it was Burmese involved.

That's illogical in every way.

This Extortion started in Myanmar, and not in Thailand, when the 2 accused paid good money to someone to be smuggled here and become Illegal Aliens in Thailand in the first place. You can scream and shout at the top of your lungs about Workers Rights,but the reality of it all is they don't have a right to be here in the first place, and thus are not entitled to have Workers Rights. The same as in your country.

When you start out with shady people in the first place, call them mafia if you like, you are stuck with them until the end. Trafficking in Women, Trafficking with Illegal Alien Workers, is almost the same same my friend. How many women and girls get smuggled over the border for the sex trade in different parts of the world? But the big money always starts in their own country.

But this is not on trial here. That goes to the World Court. This case is about a Double Murder and Rape of 2 innocent victims and trying to determine without reason doubt who did this.

Lets see what this retesting of this DNA brings.

Actually YOU are Wrong.

One of the accused had papers to work as was not an illegal

Well actually I can't argue a point based on something I did not see saying he had legal papers, or you not posting a Link to prove it.

I can tell you from one media report, who I think it was Win, who said he paid good money to come here. I think it was around $500. But I am not going to go back and find it for you.

I do know that if I jumped in and said to someone that he was wrong I would want and try to prove it with a Link. That is of course if this hadn't been posted here many times before.

[khaowong1]

jtj.JPG

I recommend to do this if you want peace and quiet from utter ridiculous comments.

Great idea!........... Now for the rest of the Glee club!

Have you seen this......http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/one-tourist-murder-suspect-now-arrested-another-run

posted just 10 minutes ago......

Hmmm. Interesting.

[sambum]

I recommend others block the following to stop encouraging them.

jtj.JPG

Yes, that just about covers the worst of them!

[Nigeone]

Are the 2 accused trained Doctors that they would know that when they hit David Miller with the Hoe, or any other weapon that was not found, and he was laying unconscious face down in the Ocean, that the didn't kill him this way? That he drowned instead? Hell! Even a trained doctor wouldn't know that unless he really checked closely. .

They were probably as surprised about this news of David drowning as the rest of us were.

Wow....you have been embarrassing for quite a while now but now your just getting really getting quite honestly pathetic and an insult to the human race. All I can say is you must be getting paid in kind or monetary a considerable amount to sell yourself and stoop to such low levels. And before you say anything about having opinions this is more than that as no sane person would come out with some of the stuff you have done in the last weeks. The police said it was a hoe that was used in the murders. Now you are suggesting that there's another weapon not found. Well we all know there was another weapon but your straying from your official party line. And how would they know how David died as up to now the RTP have not, and I repeat again, NOT produced one grain of evidence that the B2 were there. I actually am not sure who is the most incompetent ,you and your mate JTJ or your buddies the RTP. It's a close call. While you of course have a right to continue to post I will certainly not let you away with anything rest assured. Even one of the main police guys is unsure they still have a case and the defense haven't done anything yet. Please for everyone's sanity think and contemplate before you post and consider how stupid you are sounding.

No evidence presented?

In court yesterday - the final day of the trials second session of prosecution witnesses - judges heard from two police officers who said they tested evidence collected from the crime scene that matched the DNA of the suspects.

The second witness, Pol.Col. Wathee Asawutthimangkul from the Institute of Forensic Medicine, told the court that he was provided with genetic profiles of the suspects that matched semen collected from Witheridge's body that he tested in his lab.

That is evidence, and very damning too. Which the defense can reexamine (in spite of what the doomsayers prognosticated)

As the saying goes, you are entitled to your own opinions, not to your own facts.

Okay let's see what you have stated and comment on it. Two police officers stated they tested evidence collected from the crime scene and it matched. mmmmm damming! Im telling you now I have 10 million pounds in the bank. Does that mean I have? The second witness you stated was ' PROVIDED' with genetic profiles which matched semen etc. So is that the very damming evidence your claiming. No! What that is is interested parties have said certain things and another has said a third party has been given something to test. So now I've broken it down for you do you want me to explain it further or is it clear enough now that, and I repeat up to now there has been NO evidence to suggest remotely that the B2 are in any way guilty. Please advise if you want a further explanation as I've got all night.

"I have 10 million pounds in the bank. Does that mean I have?"

If you are claiming that while providing testimony in a court of law you would be committing perjury and be liable to prosecution.

Here's some advice, may it serve you well.

So that would explain why the police the other day consistently said in answer to defense questions..I don't know, I don't know, he didn't want to lie and commit perjury! It's his case and he didn't know anything and I'm not in court in case you hadn't noticed. The police officer the other day said the DNA was used up but now it's not. So he committed perjury then! As I said I've all night and I'm not letting you guys away with anything. And you could do with with reading some of these links your making regarding honesty

Again I need to spell it out . Up to now there is NO evidence to link the B2 to the case.

[AleG]

Yes, the police said so and they have the physical evidence to back it up, which is going to be available to the defense to contest.

Whereas you only have your say so that it's all fake because someone paid someone else or something, not very convincing.

I think you'd better drop out of this one as at least JTJ and GB have a degree of intelligence while your answer above is a bit basic . The police said so. Haha that's a good one. The first rule of Thailand. Always believe what the police tell you!!

Yes, the answer is very basic: if someone claims something, in testimony to court of law, they have the means to substantiate what they say and those means are open to scrutiny it makes them more credible than someone that says something on the Internet and only has his say so to substantiate it.

[AleG]

"I have 10 million pounds in the bank. Does that mean I have?"

If you are claiming that while providing testimony in a court of law you would be committing perjury and be liable to prosecution.

Here's some advice, may it serve you well.

So that would explain why the police the other day consistently said in answer to defense questions..I don't know, I don't know, he didn't want to lie and commit perjury! It's his case and he didn't know anything and I'm not in court in case you hadn't noticed. The police officer the other day said the DNA was used up but now it's not. So he committed perjury then! As I said I've all night and I'm not letting you guys away with anything. And you could do with with reading some of these links your making regarding honesty

Again I need to spell it out . Up to now there is NO evidence to link the B2 to the case.

You almost get it, if you don't know the answer to a question, the intellectually honest answer is "I don't know", not to create some fictional account to fit in a particular narrative, i.e. that the witnesses testified what they did because they were paid to do so.

As for what the investigator said the previous hearing, he was answering questions on the whereabouts of physical evidence that his team collected at the crime scene, that had been sent to Bangkok for analysis, that's why the answer was that the evidence was used up, he didn't have it anymore.

Of course that didn't stop 100 pages of noise over the missing evidence, that then proved to be wrong.

[GOLDBUGGY]

No news prior to the discovery that the DNA why can be retested again.

Why such a Victory Parade over nothing?

Was it because the Top Investigator didn't think to ask the person who was rumored to have an altercation with Hannah? I wonder how he could since his area was on the Island and this Dodo Guy was reported to be in Bangkok. So the person wanted for questioning was now put in the hands of the Bangkok Police. Who cleared him.

Or was this parade about not checking the CCTV Camera at the pier. This pier belongs to the Ferry Boat Company for the loading and unloading of passengers. What do you hope to see from that CCTV Footage. A man getting on board the ferry with a sign on his back saying "I did it"? Or was it the CCTV Footage of some mysterious boat leaving 1 hour after the murders? Wonder how the Defense Team knew this? But if this is it then consider this also.

The time of death for both victims was first reported soon after the discoveries to be between 2 am and 4 am. Obviously 11 months later we know it couldn't be 2 am. But I have never seen one after this report that says different. Not to say it doesn't not exist. Some quoted here 4:30 am. I have no idea where he got that from but lets use that time even for the sake of argument.

This fast Boat was reported to have left 1 hour after the murders. I don't recall it said from the pier, as this is private property of the Ferry Boat Company, but for the sake of argument again, that's say this is so. That places this boat leaving at 5:30 am at the latest. The sun did not come up until after 6 am that day.So how many lights would a Ferry Boat Company put on their pier when they never board passengers at night time or off load them then.

But again if they did have lights how many actually worked? Like 2 out of 3 and like the CCTV Cameras, or less? But under perfect conditions what would you expect to see? Just another grainy picture showing the back of someones head who 25% would say it in Nomsod, 25% would say it was Mon, and 50% would say it looks like there kid brother and wonder where he was that night.

As the Man rightful stated, the CCTV Footage from the pier was not relevant as you are not going to see a bloody thing that time in the morning anyway. Even the partially blind gardener who found his hoe in the dark couldn't see that.

Or lastly was it the Hoe that a police man was questioned about why he didn't turn it in for DNA and he only told the Defense his end of the investigation. That he looked at it through a magnify glass and didn't see any finger prints or blood on it. But then the Specialist for the Forensics comes on the stand and says it was tested for finger prints, and none were found. That the only DNA discovered belonged to Hannah.

I mean if the Defense is going to ask questions why not ask the people involved. How would any police man on the Island know what is going on someplace else with DNA. It is not there job to know that.The same as if you go out and ask a traffic cop in Bangkok to name the 5 Police Men who were on the Island at the morning of these crimes. Chances are he wouldn't know that either, Because it is not his job to know, His job is to direct Traffic in Bangkok. The Investigators job on the Island was to Investigate.

GB, surely you don't take what you are typing seriously? You are saying the Chief investigator on this case should not know:

1: Who collected the DNA samples

2: Who called in the body discovery

3: Whether he expected the attackers clothes to be bloodstained

4: Who the owner of the hoe - the murder weapon - who it belonged to.

5: The officer who interviewed headman's son

6: Whether the headman's son was even interviewed properly

Furthermore, you think it's excusable that this same chief investigator:

1: Did not bother to investigate an altercation at the AC bar, allegedly involving the headmans son and possibly Hannah

2: Suspects the victims last know whereabouts was AC bar but did not investigate there either, and has not pursued or shown footage of CCTV with them leaving

3: Didn't bother to check CCTV footage of the pier as they "didn't think" a suspect would leave that way

4: Didn't bother to investigate reports of a small boat leaving the island in the early morning

5: Doesn't know where the DNA samples collected from the headmans son are, nor does he know who has them - essentilay lost then - and only Police testimony that they were not a match

But Goldbuggy, you think its ok for the lead investigator to be this ignorant. You said it's not his job to know these things, its his job to investigate. Well guess what, he neither knew, nor investigated.

Why, oh Why are you defending them? Can't you see the gross incompetence and lies?

Read this article, and try spinning it

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3173235/Catalogue-police-blunders-including-failure-investigate-evidence-chase-suspects-revealed-court-judge-doubts-case-conclusive-outcome.html

Oh, right, I know - it is a misunderstanding yes? Or lost in translation yes? Or is this the level of Policing you find acceptable?

From that article -

The defence asked the colonel about a rumour that a third man pictured in CCTV on a motorbike with the two accused was a man called Muang Muang.

The man is rumoured to have had a row with the Headman’s son in a bar earlier that night, and Mr Miller was said to have intervened.

The didn't log the call from the person who made the call to the police???? Come on.

Read the post again but this time the whole thing and where he says he was told he would get the full report from Bangkok but never did yet.

Since this person was in Bangkok, when it came to light, it is only logical that he turned this part of the investigation to the Police their. What if this guy went to London. Do you expect this Police Man to hop a plain and question him their?